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January 2

January 2, 2023 (2023-01-02) (Monday)

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January 1

January 1, 2023 (2023-01-01) (Sunday)

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Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

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Article: Third inauguration of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (pictured) is sworn-in as President of Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Three times elected President of Brazil, returning to office. Teossmoam (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: R. K. Krishna Kumar

Article: R. K. Krishna Kumar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LiveMint
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian business executive. Padma Shri winner. Ktin (talk) 20:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Anita Pointer

Article: Anita Pointer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer-songwriter, best known as a founding member of the vocal group the Pointer Sisters. 2A00:23C7:95C4:5401:8D7:AC77:FBA4:702C (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Frank McGarvey

Article: Frank McGarvey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, The Herald
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scotland, Celtic, St Mirren (and more) footballer, age 66 (Note: shows copyvio 86% to this site which is copied from Wikipedia) Josey Wales Parley 18:24, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Croatia joins Eurozone and Schengen Area

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Articles: Eurozone (talk · history · tag) and Schengen Area (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Croatia joins the Eurozone and Schengen Area. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Croatia changes its national currency from the Kuna to the Euro to become 20th member state of the Eurozone, and also joins the European passport-free zone, the Schengen Area.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, AFP via France 24

 2001:268:C080:CC31:D9B0:E994:2D8A:BAFD (talk) 02:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Notable and articles are up to date with Croatia properly listed. GamerOfStrategy (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, pretty notable and the EU is one of the few international associations where joining it makes a pretty big difference to a country. AryKun (talk) 04:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A currency change in any country is probably notable in itself, as is joining the Schengen area, which a huge impact on the whole EU and a large swathe of its population. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:58, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is just some Balkan bureaucracy comparable with the fuss about number plates in Kosovo. One of the key points about such developments in the EU is that it is preceded by a period of alignment and stability so that the change is not disruptive. So, when the change happens it's not actually very significant. There's much bigger currency news elsewhere such as the collapse of crypto-currencies or the hyperinflation in other places. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I strongly disagree. The freedom of movement involving so many countries is a huge change for those going to and from Croatia and all those holding passports. Same with adopting a multinational currency, significant economic impact, whether done gradually or not. Also the "fuss about number plates in Kosovo" had both armies on standby so it's somewhat dismissive to say it's nothing on a sensitive point for all those in the region. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:13, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The Kosovo issue has its own article but still wasn't posted. This EU tweak doesn't have a separate article and isn't getting much news coverage. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:51, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant change for the country itself both in international standing and practical effects for the citizens living day to day with the new currency. Notable imapct on the wider Eurozone and Schengen area, who are 400+ million people, most of whom are English speakers of various levels of competence and thus enwiki audience. The relevant articles are updated and highly detailed. Melmann 11:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - Do we have any precedent on this kind of issue? The ⬡ Bestagon[t][c] 12:08, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    New countries adopting the Euro have been posted in the past, see Latvia (2013), Estonia (2010), Slovakia (2009). – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:30, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I'll !vote support. The ⬡ Bestagon[t][c] 12:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 31

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RD: Jeremiah Green

Article: Jeremiah Green (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, RollingStone
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Drummer for Modest Mouse. Orange tagged. Needs some work. Anarchyte (talk) 08:01, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD/Blurb: Pope Benedict XVI

Consensus will not change, and no need for additional supports. Requests to change the blurb should be taken to WP:ERRORS. Anarchyte (talk) 10:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Pope Benedict XVI (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former pope Benedict XVI (pictured) dies at the age of 95. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The death and funeral of Pope Benedict XVI begins in Vatican City
News source(s): BBC, Rappler (Reuters)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Pope, probably a blurb. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  09:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
okay, Wait Not really tagged, but significant referencing work needs doing. Kingsif (talk) 09:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He wasn't 'Vatican king' - there is not and never has been such a title. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Vatican City is an Absolute Monarchy with the Pope as Head of State, making him King. This isn’t a fact that’s up for debate. Spman (talk) 14:42, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hogwash. It's an elective monarchy (you don't need capitals for the names of types of government, by the way), and not every monarch is a king or queen. The Grand Duke of Luxembourg isn't, the princes of Monaco and Liechtenstein aren't, the Emperor of Japan isn't, and nor is the Pope. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No CNs left now, I will try to get to awards section this evening (UTC) if not already fixed by then Josey Wales Parley 13:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We should stick with the original blurb. That is the standard format for death blurbs of any kind. No need to add extra fluff.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He's not standard, he's the pope. When people have notable funerals, that's saying something (everyone has an age). And his death has begun, it's his life that's over. Anyway, just a suggestion. I'm also OK with the boring standard line. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'His death has begun' is not idiomatic for describing a person who is fully dead, in any dialect of English I know. The death-and-funeral article is linked in the original blurb. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As an event, yeah, he's no longer dying. He is now in the state of death, among the dead, however you say. In any words, the death and funeral seem more timely still, should (in my opinion) be the bolded news. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb The death and funeral of Pope Benedict XVI begins in Rome is just not gramatically correct. He died, so death can't begin. The funeral did not begin too, only plans and preparations for funeral. Choosing this as target article is one thing, phrasing is another. It is in blurb anyway. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not set in stone, it was the best I could do without piping. You want to pipe something, go for it. But just as a general bit of advice, I'm telling you, death begins at death as surely as life begins at birth/conception/what-have-you. It's one of those weird things about English, like how two moose are moose. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's grammatically wrong. He died: this is not ongoing; like "his death" it is a singular event. "He is dead" is an ongoing state. There is nothing weird about the English on this! SchroCat (talk) 14:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Dead" is the adjective for those in the lasting noun of death. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:34, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, the death/funeral is not taking place "in Rome" as the alt blurb states. It is taking place in Vatican City, which is another entity entirely. Throw this whole blurb out. 174.113.161.1 (talk) 14:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How about I just fix that for you and you don't choose it? InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Pope Emeritus' is the usual style, and I think we should use it here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, “Pope Emeritus” is the formula we should use in the blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Let's stick with plain language. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Former and emeritus have different meanings. Kirill C1 (talk) 19:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. We wouldn't blurb "Former Queen X" if we meant "Dowager Queen X." Emeritus is a distinction with a real difference. Dr Fell (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would definitely support an image. (If either of the other death-blurb nominations below succeeds, we could perhaps rotate the images, but we've had Pelé for a bit now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because he was massively influential in his field. Even as a cardinal he was very prominent and influential, and then he was elected to the highest post in the billion-plus member organisation he belonged to, and then he made history by being the first Pope in centuries to resign. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I dont quite get how he was "massively influential" in any field tbh, and his resignation probably was ITN when it happened. I dont get how old retiree dies is front page blurb worthy. Much less with a photo. nableezy - 17:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to make it more about his continuing decomposition and journey through Purgatory, but failed miserably. In the end, the people get what the people want. This time, like other times, they want old age! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(?) This is a major event that affects Catholics worldwide, former Pope or not. MarioJump83 (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Says who? In what world is any Catholic affected by this? nableezy - 00:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The death of any pope would warrant a blurb, regardless of perceived influence. Not all states and churches (nor their leaders) are equal. Suggesting this is 'old man dies' is inaccurate. Dr Fell (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Really, inaccurate? He hasnt been pope in almost a decade, he is a former head of state (being generous with the term state). We dont blurb former heads of state when they die of old age. A current head of state, like the current pope, sure. This is firmly old man dies of being old. nableezy - 00:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He was the very first Pope to resign in 600+ years. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:40, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We did with the former Angolan dictator. Curbon7 (talk) 01:43, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And George H.W. Bush. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 05:58, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Deposition of Guaidó

Article: Juan Guaidó (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Venezuela interim president Juan Guaidó deposed by opposition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Venezuelan opposititon votes to dissolve the contested interim government led by Juan Guaidó.
News source(s): https://www.voachinese.com/a/venezuelan-opposition-dissolves-guaido-s-interim-government-20221230/6898756.html
Credits:

Article updated

 FK8438 (talk) 08:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: As far as I know, the original vote planned to dissolve the presidency on 4 January 2023 (while maintaining structures to keep foreign assets), but another vote took place yesterday to confirm the decision. Based on the sources I'm reading, the decision has been made effective just after the vote. Here's a Reuters source, too: Venezuela opposition removes interim President Guaido. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 30

December 30, 2022 (2022-12-30) (Friday)

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RD: Janaki Ballabh

Article: Janaki Ballabh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian sinologist. Ktin (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jian Xianfo

Article: Jian Xianfo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 3g.163.com (Chinese)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An article I created last year whose subject has just died. Chinese politician. Dumelow (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (RD Posted) RD, Blurb: Barbara Walters

RD posted, no consensus for a blurb. --Tone 10:48, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Barbara Walters (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American television journalist Barbara Walters dies at the age of 93. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD: This is a given, while I would even Support Blurb for her stature in the whole world broadcasting legacy she has made for women.GovernmentAssistant (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD: Her legacy in broadcasting, interviewing every US president from Nixon to Biden (Albeit Trump and Biden were before being president) makes this one a given. Weak oppose blurb Probably a hard case to make. Might make more sense with some further discussion. TheCorriynial (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I made a procedural addition of a blurb to the nom, since there have been multiple comments already.—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD & Blurb: RD is a no brainer. Support Blurb role in breaking barriers for women and being a legendary broadcaster. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb: I don't think quite top-tier influential/transformative in her field, and, to me, "legendary" and "breaking barriers" is news-speak that doesn't tell us too much. I don't think she has much of a worldwide legacy - she was well-known broadcaster in North America but she is utterly known outside of it, and I do think that counts for something if we are talking about a journalist's impact. Humbledaisy (talk) 04:15, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Blurbs should only be considered when there could be a separate article on the death and/or funeral of the person. Abductive (reasoning) 04:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Abductive: That's never been the status quo. If someone is a significant enough figure in their field (e.g. Pelé), we post them. Kurtis (talk) 07:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You will note that Pelé had worldwide news media attention earlier for just being sick, and therefore meets the rule that for a blurb there needs to be suffiecient sourcing for an article on their death and/or funeral. Pelé's article also has just had 2.5 million pageviews in two days. He is orders of magnitude more important than most blurb nominees. Stop nominating doomed RD blurbs. Abductive (reasoning) 13:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb: I don't think she was notable and impactful to such a degree to warrant being on top of the In the News Category. She still however was a trailblazer in many ways so a RD listing is certainly required. Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 04:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD - close to blurb-worthy but just shy imo. Though I do think some of the above comment understates her significance a bit. And we dont have a Death of Pele article either, though that was an obvious blurb. nableezy - 04:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality at the moment; oppose blurb or we'll need to be blurbing every veteran national newsreader from around the world. Frankly, even in 20th century American broadcast journalism as an industry, I'm not sure she's even the most prominent woman - Nancy Dickerson, no? She had a great career and impact within a limited sphere, but if Pelé is obvious and Vivienne Westwood is debatable, Barbara Walters is a firm no, I'm afraid. Kingsif (talk) 04:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Any honest assessment of her career will show that Barbara Walters was not a mere "newsreader." - Fuzheado | Talk 10:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you're replying to the wrong person. Either that or read my comment like Swiss cheese. Kingsif (talk) 10:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, soft support blurb: Too frequently heretofore unknown rules are used to lobby for or against a blurb. Was Walters top-tier influential and transformative in her field? Yes. Should a death be blurbed only if the death itself and/or funeral be worthy of an article? No. Would blurbing the death of this journalist require blurbing every the deaths of every veteran newsreader from around the world? No. She was the dean of television journalism (but without the heft of a Cronkite) and a media touchstone. Dr Fell (talk) 04:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree 100%. Curbon7 (talk) 04:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I and a number of other editors state the rule every single time a bad nomination for an RD blurb is made. Users who pretend not to hear us are engaging in Wikipedia:IDIDNTHEARTHAT which is a kind of disruptive editing. Abductive (reasoning) 05:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is this rule documented?—Bagumba (talk) 05:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming your argument is the one you state above ("Blurbs should only be considered when there could be a separate article on the death and/or funeral of the person"), you far overstate your hand, considering I do also recall Jean-Luc Godard passing pretty easily a few months ago. Curbon7 (talk) 05:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know that not all users agree with the rule. Still, it would be nice if users would stop nominating ~80% of RD blurbs beginning in the new year. Make it a resolution to stop stinking up this page in your efforts to stink up the main page. Abductive (reasoning) 06:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know that not all users agree with the rule.: So it is not documented, correct? —Bagumba (talk) 07:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, now let the wikilawyering begin. Abductive (reasoning) 13:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You;re the one asserting the existence of a rule no-one has heard of. Decrying requests that you produce is as 'wikilawyering' is tendentious. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not wikilawyering. Your assertion that this is the only standard by which death blurbs are posted is outright false per WP:ITNRD. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such rule. If you disagree, point us to it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, Oppose blurb Same reason as Westwood. IMO, doesn’t meet global/public renown standard. We can’t just blurb people because they’re the “among the best in their field;” hypothetically, would we really blurb a little-known ornithologist or a museum curator upon their passing, just because they were recognized as such? The Kip (talk) 05:51, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Woman Dies, suggest Photo RD. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb Vague descriptors that this person was "legendary" and that she "broke barriers", was "top tier influential" or "transformative", are just vague descriptors. The same low-effort vague labels could be equally applied to many TV presenters. Chrisclear (talk) 06:15, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Walters is close in my view, but as I comprehend the standards currently in place on this page, and compare the unanimous support for Pele, I oppose a blurb for the main page in this case. I must add that I hope 2023 will bring more kindness in our rhetoric here. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 06:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Pele was well-known to people who have little-to no knowledge or interest in football. Not the case here. The ⬡ Bestagon[t][c] 06:48, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb A transformative figure, and household name at a similar level to Pele who was just posted as blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 07:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please tell me this one is trolling, at least. Trying to claim Walters has the same international renown and impact as Pelé is going to hurt your argument more than anything. Kingsif (talk) 08:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    An absolutely ridiculous comparison. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If it were about international renown and impact, sure, that's stupid. But there's nothing weird about Barbara Walters being the bigger name in househoulds where she was on TV for most days of the week for years and Pelé only showed up now and then in archival footage. It's all relative, fans. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The !vote did try to claim comparable renown, though. Which it shouldn't, you're right, and what I was trying to point out: a support based on comparing the global icon status of Pelé and Walters basically legitimises using such a comparison as an argument, when each item should be considered on its own merits. And surely the overwhelming majority of people comparing the two in such a way will deduce that Walters doesn't measure up. Like, she belonged to a much more niche field, and may have led in an even more niche part of it. They shouldn't be compared, really, because of the difference in scope… Kingsif (talk) 02:33, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I think it’s highly disrespectful for Vivienne Westwood and utterly humiliating for Pelé to put them in the same basket as a mere newsreader.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not supporting a blurb, but any honest assessment of her career will show that Barbara Walters was not a "mere newsreader." - Fuzheado | Talk 10:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I know. That was a deliberate belittling for the sake of the comparison to Pelé and Westwood because some people really got very unreal in the discussion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Calm everyone down. Just because Pelé has been included does not mean that the rest of the very famous/important people have to be included. The international impact of Walters is very low unlike him (and that also matters) and not because she is a transformer in the American television she has to be included. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Very notable journalist but unfortunately her demise comes between that of Pele and Pope Benedict XVI, who are (let’s face it) more notable than her. Vida0007 (talk) 10:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb A notable journalist within the US but barely known in the rest of the world. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Not notable enough for blurb; certainly enough for RD. Compusolus (talk) 10:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose blurb Major politicians, generals or religious figures are notable because of the large numbers of victims/people under their control/influence, researchers/scientists and to a degree artists can be evaluated based on new inventions/discoveries/concepts/techniques that they developed, sportspeople can be evaluated on new innovations or vast statistical superiority. There is no evidence of any technical/stylistic advance that the subject contributed to, and if so, it should be explained in their article. Meeting a lot of famous people is not a sign of superiority or improved skill Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:53, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is nonsense, and basically writes off professional broadcasting as an area of expertise. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hope the admins give this statement as much respect as it gives to journalism as a whole. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Our readership takes a different view as Barbara Walters is currently beating both Pelé and Pope Benedict (views). See how they compare with the other RD blurbs of 2022 (22M total). For comparison, here are 10 celebrity deaths which didn't get blurbs (52M total). Queen Elizabeth is best done separately because she's in a class of her own (44M total).
Andrew🐉(talk) 10:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Opposition leader arrested in Bolivia

Proposed image
Camacho at his gubernatorial inauguration
Article: Luis Fernando Camacho (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Luis Fernando Camacho, (pictured) the governor of Santa Cruz and opposition leader of Bolivia, is arrested on terrorism charges and sent to four months preventative detention. (Post)
News source(s): AlJazeera, TheGuardian, Reuters, BBC, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The governor arrested is recognized to be the opposition leader of Bolivia by WP:RS. The arrest has caused a political crisis and protests. Covered by every news outlet out there, and due to the nature of the arrest, nomination worthy (being the opposition leader). BastianMAT (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 29

December 29, 2022 (2022-12-29) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Keenan Cahill

Article: Keenan Cahill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article has some issues, hoping someone can update this. Rushtheeditor • talk 23:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Don West

Article: Don West (wrestling) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article updated with death, has a few citations needed, just working my way through the article. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: The article title violates NPOV, considering the significant amount of time he spent in the public eye apart from working as a professional wrestling announcer. The structure of the article violates NPOV, as the "Career" section gives excessive weight to trivia about his time as a professional wrestling announcer, while the following "Personal life and death" section relegates his life as a whole to a mere footnote in comparison. We have the temerity to call that a biography. To make matters worse, it smacks of forum-shopping to nominate this at ITNC, where editors are solely concerned about superficial "article quality" concerns such as how pretty the formatting looks or whether it happens to have citations of some sort in certain places, and aren't likely to give it the degree of scrutiny I gave it. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Forum shopping for a candidate at ITN? I'm really confused. I can't say I care too much about the article title, but most of the citations talk about his lengthy time as a commentator. There isn't much talking about TV salesmen out there. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:58, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ian Tyson

Article: Ian Tyson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star, New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian folk singer active in the U.S. and Canada, citations still needed for a handful of sentences and discography. Yeeno (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Edgar Savisaar

Article: Edgar Savisaar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ERR, Estonian World
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: A central figure in Estonian politics from the 1980s till recent times. Abc347834 (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ruggero Deodato

Article: Ruggero Deodato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Variety, The Independent, EW.
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Important film director. Saddly, the article is not ready and still need some work. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (Posted to RD) RD/Blurb: Vivienne Westwood

RD posted, no consensus for a blurb. --Tone 10:49, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed image
Article: Vivienne Westwood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British fashion designer Vivienne Westwood (pictured) dies aged 81. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ British fashion designer Vivienne Westwood (pictured), who is largely credited with bringing modern punk fashion into the mainstream, dies aged 81.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The article is in pretty good shape, but there are still a couple of citations needed here and there. SchroCat (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle One CN tag that needs fixing by the looks of things. Part of me wants to blurb it because of her impact on fashion but that might just be a British bias coming from me. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose blurb as per above. MyriadSims (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose Blurb Tommie345 (talk) 13:09, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
support blurb At the dawn of punk, the dawn of new wave music and fashion, made a Dame; of course she's worth a blurb. Her inspiration goes from 60s to today. A worthy event. Ofdoktorb wordsdeeds 21:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: Transformative and influential, with a lasting impact. And free from the RD/death blurb bias toward athletes and trivial 'Google Doodle' type figures. Dr Fell (talk) 04:52, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Famous and influential. Kirill C1 (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If we blurbed everyone who was famous and influential there would be a recent death blurb up virtually all the time. There has to be a higher standard than that. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think she goes beyond that. She was one of the most influential designers of the late 20th century, with a unique relationship between fashion and popular culture in the punk movement. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mihalj Kertes

Article: Mihalj Kertes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Danas, N1, Politika, Radio Free Europe
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Close associate to Slobodan Milošević --Vacant0 (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Proposal to merge current glut of new PMs into one line

Consensus to merge the PM blurbs is unlikely to develop. --PFHLai (talk) 23:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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So, Nepal, Fiji, and Israel have all swapped in new prime ministers within the past few days, meaning that half of ITN will be lines on these new figures being elected. I propose smushing them into a single line:

After elections, Pushpa Kamal Dahal becomes Prime Minister of Nepal, Sitiveni Rabuka becomes Prime Minister of Fiji, and Benjamin Netanyahu returns as Prime Minister of Israel.

No image needed, as Pelé will occupy that box anyway. BD2412 T 20:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this isnt how we do things at ITN. Each item gets its own line. that's how it's always been. NoahTalk 21:02, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fiji will get pushed off once Bibi gets posted, so its not a big deal in this case, I think. I can see this solution being useful if circumstances were different, though. Curbon7 (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Ongoing removal: Mahsa Amini protests

Article: Mahsa Amini protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Article is not receiving continued substantial updates. Most recent substantial update regarding events on 23 December, and this was just a 10-sentence quote from Reuters (possible borderline WP:OVERQUOTING?), without any description of specific new events. Outside of "As of # December" casualty updates, the only other major update in the past 2 weeks appears to be 2 sentences about New Zealand placing travel bans on several members of Iranian security forces. SpencerT•C 19:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the case that nothing happens, see [3][4] [5] Kirill C1 (talk) 19:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say that nothing is happening; I stated that the article is not being regularly updated, which is a requirement for items to remain in Ongoing. SpencerT•C 20:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Just as the Invasion of Ukraine is still happening, so are the Mahsa Amini Protests. MyriadSims (talk) 20:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

support at Best Its a side story, but more importantly theres no update.171.103.249.78 (talk) 02:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (Posted blurb) Blurb/RD: Pelé

No need for any more pile on supports. Consensus to post this as a blurb is not going to change. If there are any other issues they can be handled at WP:ERRORS. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed image
Article: Pelé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Pelé (pictured), the only three time Men's World Cup champion, dies in Brazil at the age of 82 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Brazilian footballer Pelé, considered one of the greatest footballers of all time, dies in Brazil at 82.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Brazilian [soccer player/footballer] Pelé dies aged 82
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Expect debate about blurb, RD should be fairly quick with the editing activity at the article. Kingsif (talk) 19:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • My only concern is there isn't a dedicated section about his health. If the article is attracting readers because of his passing, it maybe needs to be mentioned more than just the date. But as said, the article is busy, I expect it will come soon. Kingsif (talk) 19:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting blurb support. Clearly entailed as a legend/top of field in the article. This is a no brainer for blurbing. Masem (t) 20:37, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) All solar system's planets visible in night sky

Good faith nomination, but won't gain consensus. Anarchyte (talk) 10:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: solar system (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All solar system's planets will be visible in the night sky on Thursday (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: I am not sure it is ITN worthy, but interesting fact. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
2. Not sure the proposed target is suitable. That article is about the solar system and it'll probably contain a maximum of 1-2 sentences on this event (haven't checked it though), which is not enough to meet WP:ITNCRIT. For this type of event, a separate article is best, but I don't know if this meets the notability criteria.
3. The event sure is interesting, and I'll be happy to support this nomination, albeit with a better blurb, if the above issues are resolved.

Regards, The ⬡ Bestagon[t][c] 18:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The name of BBC article is "All solar system's planets visible in night sky". The lead says "There will be a chance to see all the planets in the solar system in the night sky on Thursday." Kirill C1 (talk) 18:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but what I meant by "this is not mentioned in the target article" is that it is not mentioned in Wikipedia's article on the solar system. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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New PM in Israel

Proposed image
Benjamin Netanyahu in 2019
Articles: Benjamin Netanyahu (talk · history · tag) and 2022 Israeli legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Benjamin Netanyahu (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Israel after the legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Benjamin Netanyahu (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Israel after the legislative election, for the third time in total.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Benjamin Netanyahu (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Israel.
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: New prime minister of Israel. Rushtheeditor talk 16:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 28

December 28, 2022 (2022-12-28) (Wednesday)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Alain Bernheim

Article: Alain Bernheim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 450.fm
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French pianist and historian --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arata Isozaki

Article: Arata Isozaki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese architect. Winner of the Pritzker Architecture Prize. Thriley (talk) 06:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2022 North Kosovo crisis

Unlikely that a consensus to post will develop. Anarchyte (talk) 10:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 North Kosovo crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: In global news around the world every day for a while now. Very tense, global politics at play, underlying historical grievances, ethnic-based divisions in a fragile part of Europe. The article is very good though and updated. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: John Bird

Article: John Bird (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Sky
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on the 24th, but not announced until today. Sourcing problems in the main (career) section. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Abdul Hamid (voice actor)

Article: Abdul Hamid (voice actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recently died, article start, expansion very welcome if it doesnt meet minimum crit for ITN Nyanardsan (talk) 04:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 27

December 27, 2022 (2022-12-27) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Sports

(Posted) RD: Arnie Ferrin

Article: Arnie Ferrin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Salt Lake Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Basketball player won two championships with the Minneapolis Lakers in the BAA/NBA. Four-time All-American in college and member of National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame. —Bagumba (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Mindanao floods

Article: 2022 Northern Mindanao floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Monsoon floods in Northern Mindanao, The Philippines, cause at least 13 deaths and a further 23 people are missing according to the national disaster agency. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article needs major expansion, event is currently ongoing though, recent news. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 26

December 26, 2022 (2022-12-26) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

(Posted) RD: John Kinch

Article: John Kinch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on December 23, appears to have been first reported on December 26. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[Needs attention] Ongoing blockade of Artsakh

Article: 2022 blockade of the Republic of Artsakh (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 120,000 people have been under blockade for 13 days already, while peacekeepers have not opened the road by removing protestors with what many believe to be ulterior motives. Seems unusual and important. Not sure if this is how "ongoing" stories are proposed. --RaffiKojian (talk) 17:14, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"A country (in this case Azerbaijan) cannot blockade the entity not recognized by that country." - This is nonsense. Recognition is a legal/political position; blockading is a matter of practical fact. And I'm very tired of procedural quibbles being used to oppose the inclusion of important news stories. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - We still have the problem of relatively few English-language sources for this event. But as I stated before, it's my understanding (gained from informal statements by Anglophone journalists familiar with the region) that this is a serious ongoing situation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This part of the world doesn't get as much English language news coverage as some others, it's true, but the UN Security Council has met over this, the head of the UN, UNICEF, the EU, the pope, the Council of Europe, and many of the governments of the world's leading powers have spoken out against this blockade already. It is indeed a serious ongoing situation and while there isn't an avalanche of articles about it, there has been coverage by serious, international news companies (I've linked to a couple). The longer it continues, the more it will get coverage, as it has now been 16 days and shortages of food, medicine and fuel are only going to get more acute :( RaffiKojian (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The dispute has been ongoing since the breakup of the Soviet Union and there are numerous border disputes of this sort around the world. This one does not seem sufficiently in the news or major enough to warrant an entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A blockade, that includes the blockade of food and other essential supplies, of over a hundred thousand people, is easily significant enough to be included in ITN. BilledMammal (talk) 10:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The article was recently translated from the Armenian Wikipedia, and no consensus on the stable version has yet been established. The article currently has a number of WP:NPOV issues, one of which is an ongoing controversy concerning the article name. Artsakh is a self-proclaimed unrecognized republic, the territory of which is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. No UN country or respectable reliable source acknowledges Artsakh's existence as a republic, instead using the neutral term "Blockade of Nagorno Karabakh" to describe events. Taking the article to the news at this moment is not a good idea; we should at the very least wait until there is consensus on how the article should be titled, because otherwise it will be an advertisement for a low-quality article with a POVname. A b r v a g l (PingMe) 17:43, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So fix it - I agree that Nagorno-Karabakh is the WP:COMMONNAME of the region, so we should just use that and get on with it. The existence of the blockade is newsworthy, ongoing, and independent of what we call the affected area. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't care whether it's called one or the other, I'm fine with either. Perhaps it can be posted with the ITN blurb text saying Nagorno-Karabakh, and linking to whatever the article is called? Whatever it is, I think the discussion can go on forever, especially with some people seemingly not wanting this news to get out. It needs a final decision. RaffiKojian (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The situation is unique - 120 000 Armenians besieged by Azerbaijan, deprived of free movement, food, fuel, medicine, with families torn apart. It is not "just another border event" - the sole humanitarian corridor of a large ethnic group is blockaded for 18 days now, with looming threat of a humanitarian catastrophe highlighted by Genocide_Watch [9], Human Rights Watch [10], World Medical Association [11], UNICEF [12], United Nations Security Council [13], PACE [14], Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights [15], EU, US [16] and France [17] with another dozen countries. The events are covered by BBC [18], RadioFreeEurope/RadioLiberty [19] , Euronews [20], Reuters [21], Forbes [22], Le Figaro [23], Le Monde [24], France24 [25]
The situation has attracted the attention of leaders such as Pope Francis [26] and President Emmanuel Macron [27], celebrities such as Jean Reno, Pierre Richard and Carole Bouquet [28], and so on. I do not see how the preferred wiki-name under discussion or the political status of the blockaded entity should affect featuring an article that describes an ongoing, widely commented-on humanitarian catastrophe. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 02:23, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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