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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on June 29

Walpole Old Chapel

Walpole Old Chapel

• ... that Walpole Old Chapel (pictured) in Suffolk, now redundant, was originally a farmhouse?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

La Peregrina pearl

• ... that La Peregrina pearl (pictured) that has been worn by the queens and queen consorts of England and Spain for few hundred years was once almost eaten by a puppy in a Las Vegas's casino?

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

List of international cricketers from Barbados

• ... that Malcolm Marshall has taken more Test and ODI wickets for the West Indies cricket team than any other Barbados born player?

Created by Mr.Apples2010 (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Douglas Brand

• ... that Douglas Brand, chief police adviser to the Iraqi Interior Ministry in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion, was nicknamed "The Tower of London" due to his distinctive height?

Created by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nom at 13:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Little Thetford flesh-hook

• ... that the Little Thetford flesh-hook is a late Bronze-age (1000–701 BC) artefact discovered in 1929 in Little Thetford, near Ely, Cambridgeshire, England?

• Comment: Created in User-space and moved to main space yesterday in error. Now moved to main-space today

Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 13:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• In process of talking to editor Benea (talk · contribs) about the recent edits to the article changing artefact to artifact. I would prefer the British spelling as it is a British article talking about a artefact found in Britain. I have left a message on the editors talk page. --Senra (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

This is correct, the article initially used the American spelling, rather than the British according to WP:ENGVAR. Hence I changed the usage to 'artefact'. Senra is in agreement this is the preferred usage. Benea (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook, and refs fine.--SPhilbrickT 17:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Þórketill Þórmóðsson

• ... that according to a 13th century saga, Þórketill Þórmóðsson, and two of his sons, were slain in a loch near the Isle of Skye, but one son survived by leaping onto a cask that floating by?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 09:09, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Tarapith

Tara in a cremation ground

• ...that Hindu sadhus live in the cremation grounds of Tarapith as they believe that goddess Tara (pictured) - who is attracted to bones - dwells there?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 05:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• Formatting of links and image change. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

History of the hamburger

• ... that before cola became widespread, the hamburger was typically served with coffee?

Created by TFCforever (talk). Nominated by TFCforever (talk) at 04:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 04:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Les Witte

• ... that Les Witte was the first men's college basketball player to score 1,000 career points?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that Les Witte was the first men's college basketball player to score 1,000 career points, a feat he accomplished between 1932 and 1934? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Johan Fransson

• ... that ice hockey defenceman Johan Fransson won a Swedish Championship in bandy?

5x expanded by Krm500 (talk). Self nom at 02:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that ice hockey defenceman Johan Fransson signed contracts with teams in three different leagues for the 2010–11 season?

The Pyramids (Indianapolis)

• ... that the Pyramids of Indianapolis (pictured) were designed by Pritzker Prize-winning architect Kevin Roche?

5x expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 02:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion, date, and hook ref verified. (I removed a stub template.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Jonah Hex: Revenge Gets Ugly EP

• ... that American heavy metal band Mastodon agreed to record the Jonah Hex soundtrack for, "basically nothing"?

Created by Fezmar9 (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 01:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 28

Schloss Reichenbach

• ... that Schloss Reichenbach (pictured) was once owned by the legendary commander of the Battle of Laupen Rudolf von Erlach?

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Holy Soap

• ... that the Holy Soap website is the official UK home of the Australian soap operas Home and Away and Neighbours?

• ALT1:...that Holy Soap allows viewers in the United Kingdom to watch episodes of Australian soap operas such as Neighbours online?

Created by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 12:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Empress pepper pot

• ... that someone owned the "Empress" pepper pot (pictured) in the 4th century and we know the Romans had pepper because the Vindolanda tablets confirm it?

Created by The Land (talk), Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 12:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Minsky

• ... that bookbinder Richard Minsky was involved in a lawsuit with the creators of Second Life over the trademark registration of SLART?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

PubWatch

• ... that British pubs, bars and nightclubs operate a safety initiative called PubWatch that may ban individuals for drunken or anti-social behaviour?

Created by Steved1973 (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Checked length and verified tag is referenced; looks groovy to me. Chzz  ►  00:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Tracing in English law

• ... that English common law tracing is so limited many leading academics and judges have called for its abolition as an independent doctrine?

Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 23:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. Nice work. APK whisper in my ear 03:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Bill Hudson (photographer), Carry Me Home: Birmingham, Alabama, the Climactic Battle of the Civil Rights Revolution

• ... that Diane McWhorter wrote in Carry Me Home that a 1963 Bill Hudson photo of a black protester being attacked by a police dog drove "international opinion to the side of the civil rights revolution"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Big White Fog

• ... that dramatist Theodore Ward, writer of Big White Fog (playbill pictured), had his first attempt at writing a play thrown into a fire at age seven by his father?

5x expanded by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook, and source verified. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ormside bowl

• ...that the Ormside bowl (pictured) is one of the finest pieces of Anglian silverwork ever found in England?

• Comment: This article was written as part of the WP:GLAM/BM initiative. It would be really good if it could go up on August 1 as this is when it goes back on show in the Yorkshire Museum.

Created by JMiall (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• verified though you may want to fix up that bare URL.--White Shadows ^{stood on the edge} 20:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Miguel Cotto vs. Yuri Foreman

• ... that the Miguel Cotto vs. Yuri Foreman boxing match was the first fight held at the Yankee Stadium since the September 1976 bout between Muhammad Ali and Ken Norton?

Created by Joaquin008 (talk). Nominated by Joaquin008 (talk) at 19:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Portland City Grill

• ... that in 2004, Portland City Grill became Oregon's first restaurant to make Restaurants & Institutions magazine's list of the "top 100 highest-grossing independent restaurants" in the United States?

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 19:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Dwight Armstrong

• ... that, asked for his thoughts two decades after the 1970 Sterling Hall bombing (pictured) that killed a physics researcher, Dwight Armstrong said "I don't care what public opinion is; we did what was right"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Marlon Stockinger

• ... that Marlon Stockinger is the first Filipino to have won a formula race in Europe?

Created by Joaquin008 (talk). Nominated by Joaquin008 (talk) at 15:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

South Carolina Highway 291

• ... that despite being only 9.3 mi (15.0 km) long, South Carolina Highway 291 runs by two colleges and an airport in Greenville?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Nominated by Miller17CU94 (talk) at 15:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Lambert

• ... that English gaol keeper and animal breeder Daniel Lambert (pictured) weighed 52 stone 11 lb (739 lb; 335 kg)?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Nominated by Iridescent (talk) at 14:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook refs accepted in good faith. ("Get in my belly!") APK whisper in my ear 15:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• If anyone wants confirmation, his gravestone thoughtfully includes all his measurements at the time of death. – iridescent 16:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• I love the exclamation mark! .Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Three Pigeons

Hudson Country Map 1776

• ... that John Champe, American Revolutionary rebel double-agent sent to capture Benedict Arnold, was spotted and chased from the landmark the Three Pigeons by fellow rebels, before diving into the Hudson?

Created by Theornamentalist (Talk) Self nom at Theornamentalist (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Strong-billed Honeyeater

• ... that the Strong-billed Honeyeater actually eats more insects than honey?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 14:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 15:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Captain America: The First Avenger

• ... that the Marvel Studios film, Captain America: The First Avenger set for release in 2011 has been in development since 1997?

Created by TriiipleThreat (talk), Jhenderson777 (talk). Self nom at 14:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Philip B. Hofmann

• ... that the first non-family member to become CEO of healthcare giant Johnson & Johnson was Philip B. Hofmann?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. - Theornamentalist (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Travis

• ... that Richard Travis received a posthumous Victoria Cross for his actions around Rossignol Wood on 24 July 1918?

5x expanded by AustralianRupert (talk). Nominated by AustralianRupert (talk) at 11:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

1929 Murchison earthquake

• ... that the noise of the 1929 Murchison earthquake, which occurred on New Zealand's South Island, was so loud that it was heard in New Plymouth, over 250 km away on North Island?

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• -Atmoz (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Leonard Allison

• ... that seven years after California football coach Stub Allison's "nasty, opportunistic defense" helped win a national championship, he was fired for "shackl[ing] good material with a dull offense"?

5x expanded by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 10:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Bonded by Blood (band)

• ... that Bonded by Blood recorded a thrash metal version of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles theme song?

Created by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Claude Simons, Jr.

• ... that Claude Simons, Jr.—son of a Tulane University basketball, baseball, track, boxing coach and football trainer—followed in his father's footsteps as the school's basketball and football coach?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 05:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• This is probably a better hook:

• "... that Claude Simons, Jr., son of a Tulane University basketball and baseball coach, followed in his father's footsteps by holding those same positions?" Strikehold (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Our Lady Of Victory Church (Inuvik)

• ... that Our Lady Of Victory Church (Inuvik) is the most photographed building in Inuvik becuse of its igloo shape?

Created by Spongie555 (talk). Self nom at , 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't meet the length requirement and there are no references. APK whisper in my ear 04:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Under röd flagg

• ... that Hinke Bergegren's Under röd flagg (cover pictured) was the first periodical to introduce detailed accounts of anarchist thought in Sweden?

Created/expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• What is the website the article is sourced to? Gatoclass (talk) 11:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• The main reference is an article published by the Labour Movement Archives and Library (http://www.arbark.se/en/basics/ ). --Soman (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Cupcake Wars

• ... that vegan cupcakes can beat out traditional cupcakes in the new competitive reality show Cupcake Wars?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't the meet length requirement and the hook isn't mentioned in the article. APK whisper in my ear 04:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Lengthened article, included hook with more references.  – Tommy [message] 04:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Everything checks out now. (I removed the second link to cupcake, unlinked competition, and italicized the show title in the hook.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard B. Sellars

• ... that Johnson & Johnson CEO Richard B. Sellars kept the firm in New Brunswick, New Jersey as "the survival of our country depends on the survival of its cities, so we'd all better get involved in cleaning them up"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Chris Scelfo

• ... that Tulane football coach Chris Scelfo called Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron "lower than dirt" for allegedly trying to convince players to transfer after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 00:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• I think the above hook has adequate reliable sourcing, but if it's too controversial for two living people, here is an alternative:

• "... that head coach Chris Scelfo's Tulane football team was forced to play all eleven of its games in different cities during the 2005 season after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans?"

The second hook should be used. Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 04:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ethylene oxide

• ... that ethylene oxide is a common disinfectant and a main component of thermobaric weapons?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 00:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook refs verified. Nice work. APK whisper in my ear 04:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 27

Leo Thomas Maher

• ... that Leo Thomas Maher, a Roman Catholic Bishop, attended all four sessions of Vatican II and he was Bishop of Santa Clara and San Diego?

Created by Spongie555 (talk) Self nom at 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Indriði Indriðason

• ... that Indriði Indriðason, an Icelandic medium, was once levitated at chest-height in front of a window and seemed in danger of being thrown through it?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Anatoly Malofeyev

• ... that Anatoly Malofeyev was a first secretary of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic during the Soviet Union era and Belarusian parliament speaker? 5x expanded and self-nom by moreno oso (talk) 19:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ...that Anatoly Malofeyev was a delegate to the 100th Conference of the Inter-Parliamentary Union and his comments that the conference failed to address human rights issues in Belarus afterwards generated controversy?

ALT2 ...that Anatoly Malofeyev and Vladimir Yermoshin met with Hu Jintao to facilitate relations?

Ernst von Dobschütz

• ... that textual critic Ernst von Dobschütz (pictured), after the death of Gregory expanded List of the New Testament manuscripts?

• Comment: To make reviewing easier I cite here source of the hook: "By 1915 Gregory had raised the numbers further to p¹⁹, 0169, 2326, and l 1565. From 1923 to 1933 his successor Ernst von Dobschütz further expanded the numbers to p⁴⁸, 0208, 2401 (but with some extensive lacunae), and l 1609." (Kurt Aland, and Barbara Aland, The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions and to the Theory and Practice of Modern Textual Criticism, transl. Erroll F. Rhodes, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1995, p. 74 ) Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Clarium Capital

• ... that the hedge fund Clarium Capital, which had US$7.8 billion in assets under management in June 2008, saw it drop to $1.5 billion a year later due to large bets made against the US dollar?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 17:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Pteridium aquilinum

• ... that common bracken specific name of aquilinum is thought to be derived from the likeness of the fibres of its stem in cross section to a double-headed eagle?

• Comment: was a redirect for four years after original material was moved to genus page

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Rkitko (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 11:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• As a preliminary comment, "Pteridium aquilinum" effectively means "eagle's wing", and the leaves of the plant do strongly resemble that. Yet the article makes no mention of it, and instead, like the hook, is focused on "double headed", and "stem fibers", without the wing aspect. It seems to me that if the hook is focused on the the name derivation, the article and the hook should explain this issue more fully. Crum375 (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• If you google "Towards a taxonomic revision of Pteridium (Dennstaedtiaceae)", the fulltext pdf ofthe article arises. The issue of the choice of specific name comes up. I admit I didn't add the other explanation and will insert it into the page tonight. It is an unusual derivation discussed there. We actually have a photo of a corss section of the stipe on commons, but it doesn't look like a double headed eagle, or anything much for that matter...Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, given that google also comes up with tons of reliable sources mentioning the obvious connection, the resemblance of the fronds to spread out eagle wings, and its binomial name meaning "eagle wing" (see here as example), I don't see why this most direct and straightforward derivation should be suppressed. Crum375 (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Alan Minsky

• ... that Richard Alan Minsky was a used car salesman who was charged over 80 times and convicted in five states for scamming women into giving him sex and money?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 05:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Negative BLP issues. --Soman (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Not sure if BLP issues apply here, since the person has been on 'America's Most Wanted' list and is convicted in court? Any other opinion? --Soman (talk) 19:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps the hook could be changed to addressing the sentence (146 years) rather than the crimes itself, perhaps that would be less BLP-problematic? --Soman (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Richard Alan Minsky was a used car salesman who was featured on America's Most Wanted for being a scam artist and subsequently sentenced to 146 years in prison? KimChee (talk) 21:45, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Electric Company (Football)

• ... that the Electric Company helped O.J. Simpson set several current National Football League records.?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Chetco (tribe)

• ... that the Chetco (pictured) were once one of the largest Native American tribes on the southern coast of Oregon, but now only about 40 of their descendants remain?

Created by Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook ref verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Tocco family

• ... that the Italian Tocco family became the rulers of several Ionian Islands and formed the last dynasty of the Despotate of Epirus in Greece, before they were conquered by the Ottomans?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Volksfront (Alsace), Jean-Pierre Mourer, Charles Hueber, Alsatian Workers and Peasants Party, Bloody Sunday (1926), Die Neue Welt

• ... that the Bloody Sunday events of 1926 in Alsace were the starting point of cooperation between communists and clerical autonomists, which led to the expulsion of the Neue Welt group of Charles Hueber and Jean-Pierre Mourer from the French Communist Party and the formation of the Alsatian Opposition Communist Party?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

William Eldon Tucker, Bill Tucker (rugby player)

• ... that Dr. William Eldon Tucker and Dr. William Eldon Tucker both played rugby for England, Kent, the Barbarians, Blackheath and captained a Cambridge University Varsity team?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom David Underdown (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC) alt1... that Dr. William Eldon Tucker and Dr. William Eldon Tucker both played rugby for England, Kent, the Barbarians, Blackheath and captained Cambridge University R.U.F.C. teams in the Varsity match?

I don't think Varsity team is normal usage in this context, and it's probably better to clarify that we mean the rugby team, rather than the University itself. David Underdown (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

alt2 ... that during World War I Dr. William Eldon Tucker performed 150 amputations on troops within a month, while during World War II Dr. William Eldon Tucker made improvised artificial limbs for prisoners of war?

I was thinking of this today, the cites are all over the place, plus there are a few unavailable online. Maybe this new DYK suggestion (alt2) is easier to verify?

Stephen B. Shepard, Chris Welles

• ... that Stephen B. Shepard, a former editor of BusinessWeek and later dean of the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism called Chris Welles "probably the premier business writer" of his generation?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Monobia quadridens

• ... that both male and female Monobia quadridens wasps can sting, but males have no venom to inject?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• You have the hook going to bee sting, but according to the source, it's not really a sting at all, as in inserting a stinger, but more of a minor "prick" sensation. The way the hook is phrased, you'd think the male actually inserts a stinger, except he has no venom to inject through it. But according the source, the male only presses the sharp tip of his abdomen against the attacker, which causes a prickly sensation, like touching a sharp corner of an object, without penetration. So I think this hook is unsourced and misleading, as it stands. Crum375 (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

A fair point. I have struck the original hook out, and suggest the following alternative. The males can't actually sting, but they can (and apparently do) try. I would include the fact that males don't have a stinger, but it isn't mentioned in the article or the relevant cited source. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that male Monobia quadridens wasps will try to sting like a female, but have no venom to inject?

• The thing is, unless I am misreading the source, the males don't even have a stinger, while by saying "no venom to inject" we are implying they have the stinger, but just don't have the fluid to inject through it. Note the wasp stinger photo here, and consider that all the males have is the tip of their abdomen, without the stinger sticking out of it. How about:

• "... that male Monobia quadridens wasps will try to sting like a female, but have neither stinger nor venom?

Crum375 (talk) 11:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that if you are. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths, hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Henry Newman (Medal of Honor)

• ... that, along with Michael Glynn and John Nihill, Henry Newman was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for gallantry?

Created by 72.74.218.214 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Size/date verified. —mono 22:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Fricker

• ... that the spray-painting of graffiti on a Mass Rapid Transit train in a depot by Oliver Fricker and an accomplice in May 2010 caused an outcry over the security of protected installations in Singapore?

Created by Warpslider (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 18:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, size, and refs verified. —mono 22:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wheelie bike

• ... that the wheelie bike fad drove bicycle sales to over 4 million units in the US?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths verified. Hook ref AGFed. Crum375 (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the good faith, and I've updated the reference to contain a url to the relevant passage on Google Books. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Henri-Pierre Picou

• ... that Henri-Pierre Picou was considered the most fashionable painter towards the close of the Second French Empire?

Created by VernoWhitney (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Theodore (brother of Heraclius)

• ... that Theodore, the brother of Byzantine emperor Heraclius, was publicly humiliated and imprisoned due to his failure to counter the Muslim raids and his opposition to Heraclius' marriage with Martina?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Pipistrellus raceyi

• ... that the Malagasy bat species Pipistrellus raceyi is characterized by a long, straight penis?

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths verified, hook ref AGFed. Crum375 (talk) 23:37, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Operation Loyton

• ...that in September 1944 a Frenchman died eating plastic explosives which he had mistaken for cheese?

x5 expansion and self nom by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1

• ...that in September 1944 during Operation Loyton a Frenchman died eating plastic explosives he had mistaken for cheese?

x5 expansion and self nom by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion date, lengths verified. Hook ref AGF. It would be nice to get an online source, or at least a quote from the book supporting the hook claim. Crum375 (talk) 14:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The books avail on line page 45 here [1] --Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Does not the hook link violate WP:EGG? -Atmoz (talk) 19:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 added which should satisfy --Jim Sweeney (talk) 23:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hook ref verified too. All OK, and I accept ALT1. I have crossed out the other version. Crum375 (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Brandon Bess

• ... that Brandon Bess was a "surprise debutant" for the West Indies cricket team in June 2010, rushed late to the ground, eventually arriving in the second over of the match?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• It might help to mention what sport this is about. -AndrewDressel (talk) 18:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed. Harrias ^talk 20:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Project GreenHands

• ... a tree planting marathon organized by Project GreenHands resulted in 852,587 saplings being planted in Tamil Nadu which resulted in the setting of a Guinness World Record?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 06:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length are fine. I couldn't verify the hook, however, as one of the references for it (# 8 "Extending a green hand") seems to be a dead link (it says this when I load: "The article you are looking for is no longer available in this website"). The other citation (#9 "Free distribution of saplings") confirms the record, but I can't quite understand confirm the figures. It says "8.58 lakh saplings" planted by "2.58 lakh people". I think lakh equates to 100,000 (please correct me if I am wrong), so these figures would be 858,000 and 258 000 people, However, the article you have nominated states "852,587 saplings" planted by "256,289 people". Can you please (1) investigate and fix the dead link if possible; (2) explain the difference in the two numbers? Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• I fixed the broken link. The newspaper actually changed websites on June 23rd and I didn't take any action about that. Also, I have given an alternate citation and removed the one which has the discrepancy in the numbers. Is it possible to cite the actual guinness world record through the guinness website? I also have a scan of the world record. Is there some way that might be used? Thnx. Regstuff (talk) 05:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• My concerns have been addressed. Regarding linking to the Guinness website, I'm not sure. If the record is listed there, I can't see any reason why you couldn't link it in the same way you have to the newspaper articles. I think that would be fine. Regardless, I feel that the article is now good to go as far as DYK is concerned. Thanks for responding so quickly. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hot Potato (video game)

• ... that Hot Potato tasks the player with navigating a bus through roads filled with alien potato beings?

Created by Nomader (talk). Self nom at 06:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Chula Vista, California

• ... that Chula Vista, California is the 7th largest city in Southern California and is the second largest city in San Diego County?

Created by 205.188.116.130 (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at , 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Not a new or expanded article (and, incidentally, not created by 205.188.116.130 either). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, this nomination was made by neither 205.188.116.130 nor Spongie555, but 68.8.137.220. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

68.8.137.220. might have been me becuse when i made the nomination i forgot to log in to my account and i didnt notice till after I had made the nomination that I wasnt logged in as Spongie555. Spongie555 (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

John H. Ewing, 16th Legislative District (New Jersey)

• ... that State Senator John H. Ewing of New Jersey's 16th District opposed state funding for poorer school districts, as "some drive a Ford Taurus, like me", but "we can't pay for everyone to drive a Mercedes"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:04, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Source link has an error. Crum375 (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• There's something flaky going on at The Times' webs site. If you get an error, refreshing the link once or twice will often get you an article that it said did not exists. Alansohn (talk) 21:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion date, lengths, hook ref verified. Ref is working OK now. Crum375 (talk) 13:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26

Marcela Valladolid

• ... that Mexican cuisine celebrity chef and author Marcela Valladolid has also been classically trained as a pastry chef in Paris?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Huber's

• ... that Huber's bills itself as the oldest restaurant in Portland, Oregon?

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 05:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 14:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Arbor Networks

• ... that software company Arbor Networks sells network security and monitoring software in use by over 70% of all Internet service providers, giving it unique insight into Internet traffic?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 05:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

List of submarine topographical features

• ... that an anoxic event that occurred 90.4 million years ago led to the extinction of 26% of all extant genera?

Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Since there have been many anoxic events, as described in the real "anoxic event" article, I think it's incorrect to WP:EGG the hook into a general list of submarine features, at it implies some special connection, and for some reason is focused on one anoxic event out of many, and not even the most drastic one. I think you need a hook into something more unique to this list article and not mislead the reader. Crum375 (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Fichte-Bunker

• ... that the 1874 Fichte-Bunker, the last surviving gasometer in Berlin, became an air-raid shelter in World War II and later housed refugees from East Germany?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

George H. Eldridge

• ... that George H. Eldridge was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for "gallantry in action" at the Battle of the Little Wichita River?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Edwin L. Elwood

• ... that Edwin L. Elwood received the Congressional Medal of Honor during the Campaign of the Rocky Mesa, in which he was shot in the chest?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hayes McClerkin

• ... that the Arkansas Democratic politician Hayes McClerkin in 1970 challenged Governor Winthrop Rockefeller's "list" of militants disrupting college and university campuses?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

47th Battalion (Australia)

• ... that the 47th Battalion was one of three infantry battalions disbanded by Australia due to casualties suffered during the German Spring Offensive in May 1918?

Created by AustralianRupert (talk). Self nom at 04:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Anotherclown (talk) 13:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Mordecai Barbour

• ... that after serving in the Culpeper County Militia under Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette, Mordecai Barbour embarked upon successful ventures in manufactories and toll bridges?

Created by Caponer (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that after serving as an officer in the Culpeper County Militia under Lafayette, Mordecai Barbour embarked upon successful ventures in manufactories and toll bridges? --Caponer (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
• ALT2... that after serving under Lafayette during the American Revolutionary War, Mordecai Barbour wrote a letter to United States President James Madison volunteering to lead a regiment in the War of 1812? --Caponer (talk) 03:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

List of Detroit Tigers first-round draft picks

• ... that Justin Verlander (pictured), a first-round draft pick of the Detroit Tigers, won the Major League Baseball Rookie of the Year Award in 2006?

Created by Staxringold (talk). Nominated by Staxringold (talk) at 02:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• should be listed on June 27 according to article history. Dincher (talk) 04:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• I did the work in my sandbox, moved it to namespace on the 27 but the expansion was earlier. Staxringold _talk^contribs 05:02, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Edwin L. Elwood

• ...that Edwin L. Elwood was awarded the Medal of Honor for gallantry during the fighting in the Chiricahua Mountains, known as the "Campaign of the Rocky Mesa", on October 20, 1869?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 00:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Zippel Bay State Park

• ... that Zippel Bay in Zippel Bay State Park on Lake of the Woods in Minnesota was once the site of a caviar production business?

5x expanded by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 03:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Little Thetford (reviewer's note: second nomination)

• ... that a middle Saxon pendant (601 AD – 700 AD) was discovered in a field in Little Thetford in 1952?

5x expanded by Senra (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You nominated this article earlier today (below) and I mentioned here that it's not eligible. You responded below, so I'm not sure why you're nominating again. APK whisper in my ear 03:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

In that case, sorry. I thought since I had expanded the article (a whole new archaeology section) yesterday, I thought it counted as an expansion. My apologies. --Senra (talk) 10:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Acronychia laevis

• ... that although technically edible, the fruit of Acronychia laevis have been said to taste like turpentine?

Created by Poyt448 (talk), Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 21:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. —mono 22:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

George H. Eldridge

• ... that George H. Eldridge received the Medal of Honor for gallantry fighting the Kiowa Indians and Chief Kicking Bird at the Battle of the Little Wichita River?

Created by 72.74.222.202 (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 20:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Transandinomys

• ... that the only external feature that distinguishes the rice rat genera Transandinomys and Hylaeamys may be length of the whiskers?

5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Mayer (spy)

• ... that Gauleiter of Tyrol and Vorarlberg Franz Hofer (pictured) arranged the surrender of the troops under his command with an American sergeant, and a Jewish emigrant from Germany, Fred Mayer?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Size, date, and hook ref verified. —mono 22:28, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
• Shouldn't this be "Frederick Mayer (spy)"? Also, I think "an American sergeant, and Jewish emigrant from Germany, Fred Mayer" is better grammar, - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I've done it, thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You have a few typos in the article. One I fixed (stated > stayed) but there's one "other" that needs either "the" before it or to be made "others" and I don't know which it is, so I had to leave it. Also, you have an ambiguous link in there, "CC". Marrante (talk) 08:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Everything is fixed, thanks for noticing.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Steine House

• ... that an Earl of Barrymore once rode his horse up an imitation bamboo staircase in Steine House, Brighton (pictured), to win a bet?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Offline refs accepted in good faith. Size/date verified. —mono 22:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Our Lady Star of the Sea and St Winefride, Amlwch

• ... that the church of Our Lady Star of the Sea and St Winefride (pictured) in Amlwch, Wales, is shaped like an upturned boat to reflect the town's maritime heritage?

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 20:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Firecane

• ... that the term Firecane is used in New Orleans to describe a hurricane capable of producing a firestorm from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?

Created by JNW (talk). Nominated by JNW (talk) at 19:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Does not meet the required size for a DYK. —mono 22:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Have added text. May be okay now. Thanks, JNW (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I count 1657 characters now, including white spaces. The New York Magazine reference for the hook checks out. The age is good. -AndrewDressel (talk) 14:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo burger

• ... that connoisseurs say that buffalo burgers taste just like beef did 30 or 40 years ago?

Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• changed hook slightly to reflect the time passed between the article referenced in 1997 and now. Dincher (talk) 04:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

USA Table Tennis

• ... that USA Table Tennis, the governing body for table tennis in the United States, offers a $100,000 incentive for American Olympic table tennis athletes, though no American athlete has ever won a medal for table tennis?

• ALT1:... that there are over 300 table tennis clubs affiliated with USA Table Tennis, the governing body for table tennis in the United States?

Created by Guoguo12 (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

James Mangham

• ... that in his two Football League appearances, goalkeeper James Mangham conceded a total of ten goals?

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 18:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Son Ferrer

• ... that archaeological excavation at the tomb of Son Ferrer included collaboration with experts from the University of the Balearic Islands?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the tomb of Son Ferrer on the island of Majorca served as a necropolis where the remains of over a hundred people, including infants, have been found?. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Okryugwan

• ... that the designer of the Okryu Restaurant (pictured) in Pyongyang, North Korea, would later spend 38 years in a South Korean prison for spying?

• Comment: Hook fact here. cab (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk) at 14:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and hook verified. Very interesting. APK whisper in my ear 18:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Little Thetford

• ... that there is evidence of human settlement in Little Thetford since the Neolithic-age.?

Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Although the article was expanded (much more than the 5x minimum), the nomination should have been made earlier this month to meet DYK criteria (within 5 days). Congrats on the GA promotion. Nice work. APK whisper in my ear 18:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I will know for next time - thanks anyway (thought I might have slipped in due hook fact was only inserted in the article today but rules are rules) Thanks for trying. --Senra (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Milecastle 10

• ... that excavations of Turret 10A of Hadrian's Wall have revealed pre-historic ard marks?

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 07:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• I've changed "discovered" to "revealed", since the discovery was done by the excavators, not the excavations. Nyttend (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Don Roberts (ice hockey)

• ... that Legend of Hockey Don Roberts was assigned to coach hockey despite having never played the sport and coached his team in boots due to his unsteadiness on skates?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, and first hook ref verified. Second hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 12:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Children and Television (book)

• ... that Gerald S. Lesser wrote Children and Television in 1974 to defend Sesame Street against its critics?

Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

You might want to fix some of those typos in the article.Marrante (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Um, which ones are you talking about? I use Firefox when I edit WP, and there were no red lines other than surnames and specialized words like "distractor" and "summative" research. Provide specifics, please. Christine (talk) 04:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I was talking about things like the caption beginning with an open bracket, "[George Lesser", which now seems to be fixed. I can't recall the other, but it was near this one, as I recall and in just reading over the first half of the article again, I couldn't find it, so you or someone else apparently fixed it. Marrante (talk) 09:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Xetulul Theme Park

• ... that in addition to having Central America's largest roller coaster, Xetulul Theme Park has replicas of Moulin Rouge, the Trevi Fountain, and the Tikal Temple of the Great Jaguar? (replica pictured)

5x expanded by IronGargoyle (talk). Nominated by IronGargoyle (talk) at 03:26, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. APK whisper in my ear 12:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Vekoma Madhouse

• ... that a Vekoma Madhouse, a theme park ride, creates the impression that the rider is turning upside down, however it is actually the room that is moving around them?

Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 12:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The hook isn't cited with an inline citation. There are only two references, one of which is the manufacturer's website. The second reference is a forum, not a reliable source. APK whisper in my ear 18:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 25

Olav Johan Sopp

• ... that mycologist Olav Johan Sopp suggested to classify fungi as belonging to neither plantae nor animalia, but to a third kingdom, already in the 1890s?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

1907 Sub-Antarctic Islands Scientific Expedition

• ... that the 1907 Sub-Antarctic Islands Scientific Expedition rescued the castaways (four survivors pictured) of the Dundonald?

• Comment: Nice work by User:Islandbaygardener - interesting story! The Dundonald article has recently been expanded.

Created by Islandbaygardener (talk). Nominated by Schwede66 (talk) at 21:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Bob LaPointe

• ... that, in an eventually successful effort to end the nation's longest losing streak, Eastern Michigan University football coach Bob LaPointe hired a local hypnotist?

Created by Cmadler (talk). Self nom at 17:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

George E. Jonas

• ... that according to Pete Seeger, George E. Jonas, founder of international summer camp Rising Sun in Red Hook, New York, originally wanted to name it "Camp Rising Son"?

• ALT1:... that George E. Jonas founded Camp Rising Sun with his family's fortune in 1929 when he was 32, retired at 57 to devote himself to the camp full-time and remained active with it till his death in 1978?
• ALT2:... that George E. Jonas founded a free leadership-training summer camp for disadvantaged boys after the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and after World War II, expanded it to include boys from all over the world?

Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 08:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• I just added a second alternate hook. I would love to put some of the other very illustrious alumni in the hook, but cannot find any sources other than those connected with the organization. I guess that the more successful one is, the more one has to put on a resume, particularly over time and unless you can find an interview where the person mentions it (as with Pete Seeger), there is simply no second source documentation. The camp today has over 5,000 alumni from over 80 countries, another great statistic, but again only available succinctly like that from the organization itself. If someone can help me find a way to write a more intriguing hook for this worthy man and his worthy life's work, I'd be much obliged. Marrante (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Michigan Train wreck

• ... that the worst rail disaster in both North Dakota and Great Northern Railway history was the Michigan train wreck, which occurred in August 1945?

Created by GrahamHardy (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 22:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Settepozzi

• ... that the defeat of a joint Byzantine-Genoese fleet by a smaller Venetian fleet at the Battle of Settepozzi caused Byzantine emperor Michael VIII to distance himself from his alliance with Genoa?

• ALT1:...that the defeat of a joint Byzantine-Genoese fleet by a smaller Venetian fleet at the Battle of Settepozzi was caused by divided command and the reluctance of the Genoese admirals to risk their ships?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Palmolive Beauty Box Theater

• ... that the 1930s American radio show, Palmolive Beauty Box Theater, drew an estimated 25 million listeners in its first season?

Created by Niel Shell (talk). Nominated by Voceditenore (talk) at 08:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Temple Israel (Tulsa, Oklahoma)

• ... that sculptor Seymour Lipton produced three works of ceremonial art for the bimah of Temple Israel in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

• Comment: The history of the article is a bit confused, because of various changes and moves, but I've basically expanded the material on Temple Israel (Tulsa, Oklahoma) from 215 words to 1211 words. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Nantwich Grammar School

• ... that John Thomson served for 55 years as the schoolmaster of Nantwich Blue Cap School in Cheshire, England, and the school closed some six months after his retirement aged 86 or 87?

Created by Espresso Addict (talk). Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk) at 19:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length verified. Offline reference for hook accepted in good faith. Nice article! Voceditenore (talk) 10:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Clavaria zollingeri

• ... that the violet coral fungus (pictured) contains lectins that can cause white blood cells to clump together?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Mark Donaldson (rugby player)

• ... that Mark Donaldson played 13 test matches for the New Zealand All Blacks between 1977 and 1981?

• ALT1:... that, as a reserve player for the New Zealand All Blacks, Mark Donaldson set up the play that won the historic 1981 Auckland rugby union test match against the South African Springboks?

Created by AusTerrapin (talk), Dingy (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and hooks all look good, but the article is very heavily dependant on a single source, to the point where it's almost one big paraphrase from that source. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• Indeed it is, as is the original version on the French Wikipedia from which it was originally translated and then modified. I am not an expert, nor particularly interested, in rugby union, but the article was necessary to be raised on the English Wikipedia to prevent bots from linking the New Zealand rugby player on the French Wikipedia with the Australian Victoria Cross Winner on the English Wikipedia. I also ensured the article had a few extras such as appropriate infoboxes, etc. Hopefully interest generated from DYK might spur others to expand the article further with additional reference sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AusTerrapin (talk • contribs)

After conferring with a reviewer more experienced with DYK: date length and hook are all good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook

• ... that the 1925 will of Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook is the longest ever—95,940 words in four volumes—yet it disposed of only $100,000?

Created by User:Agradman (talk). Nominated by User:Agradman (talk) at 09:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• The date and length both look good, I haven't yet checked the reference for the hook, but the article is (bar half a sentence or so) entirely about the will, not its owner, so do you think that might be better reflected in the title? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, it's strange that the article is entirely about her will, but I can't think of a satisfying alternate title -- World's longest will and Will of Frederica Evelyn Stilwell Cook both seem weird. Is there a title you have in mind? Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 16:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ed Saugestad

• ... that Ed Saugestad began coaching the Augsburg College hockey team while he was still a student and led the school to three NAIA national championships in 37 years as the coach?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 02:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Patrol Forces Southwest Asia

• ... that the U.S. Coast Guard maintains a permanent command in the Middle East that supports six 110-foot patrol boats (pictured)?

Created/expanded by New Hampshirite (talk). Nominated by New Hampshirite (talk) at 22:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• The reference the hook depends on is weird (the link download a word document) but it looks legit. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 05:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

gape

• ... that the gape of nestlings of several passerine bird species have been shown to be conspicuous in the ultraviolet spectrum?

Created by Casliber (talk), Howcheng (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion date, lengths, and hook ref verified. Crum375 (talk) 02:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Denis Preston

• ... that Europe's first independent record producer, Denis Preston, would record and produce albums before finding a label to market them?

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hook does not seem to be in the article, or is this taken from the line "...he was not contracted to a particular record label and would often risk cutting a record before pitching for a deal"? Also, if that is the origin of the hook, I'm a little unsure about the source, as it seems to be a musician's personal site. Other than that, looks good. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to find a better source (there are plenty of worse ones, mind) and/or crowbar the hook to fit what sources we do have. matt (talk) 10:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Stock im Eisen, Palais Equitable

• ... that in a niche on the corner of the Palais Equitable in Vienna is the Stock im Eisen, a tree trunk that people have hammered nails into since the Middle Ages?

• Comment: Palais Equitable created on June 24; Stock im Eisen was previously a redirect

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

HMS Concorde (1783)

• ... that HMS Concorde, a former French ship, was involved in the capture of the French frigates Engageante (pictured) and Virginie, and almost captured the Bravoure?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 16:29, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• - well done. Dincher (talk) 16:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

St. Aloysius' Catholic Church (Carthagena, Ohio)

• ... ...that St. Aloysius' Catholic Church (pictured) in Carthagena, Ohio had the first tall church tower in the Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches?

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 14:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. (I assume the hook is cited to ref #2; I didn't see it in the PDF, ref #5.) APK whisper in my ear 20:17, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the referencing is confusing, then, because it's supposed to be sourced to #5. The hook statement is "conversely, St. Aloysius'...generally designed likewise." You can find the source for this statement in the penultimate paragraph of the second page of #5, immediately under the "1865-1885" header. Please note that the third page of the PDF is marked as page 2; however, I'm ignoring that for referencing purposes, as it's the second page that deals with part 7 of the entire form. Throughout the article, page numbers in citations to the PDF refer to the page number that the PDF assigns to a page, not the page number of the original (unpaginated) document. Nyttend (talk) 04:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Doh! I see it now.  ;-) Date, length, and hook verified. APK whisper in my ear 01:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Dorsland Trek

• ... that after completing the Dorsland Trek from South Africa to Angola in the 1870s, many Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade Afrikaans in schools?

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1:... that after completing the Dorsland Trek from South Africa to Angola in the 1870s, many Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade their language in schools?

• Comment: I prefer ALT 1 ("their language"), unfortunately it is 205 characters long. The main hook is exactly at 200, please keep that in mind when suggesting changes. Maybe we can say that the three dots, the space, and the question mark do not count towards the hook ;) or alternatively apply a very mild case of IAR? --Pgallert (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• What about changing "turned back" to "returned" and "completing" to "finishing"? That would save four characters, and perhaps we could ignore the dots. I've changed "at schools" to "in schools" and capitalised "catholicism". Nyttend (talk) 14:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm, "returned" is not right because they came from South Africa and turned back (southwards) into South-West Africa. Only few of them really returned from where they came. "Finishing" sounds strange to me (but I'm not a native English speaker). To be perfectly honest, even "completed" is not entirely true because today the entire journey, including the turn back, is referred to as "Dorsland Trek" - but to point that out would cost another few characters. -- I have turned around the two actions by the Portuguese, that reads a bit easier, and it makes clear what the "them" refers to. --Pgallert (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, I misunderstood about "returned"; thanks. What about "that after reaching Angola from South Africa in the Dorsland Trek of the 1870s..."? That saves two characters and avoids the "not entirely true" problem. Nyttend (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Much better, thanks, see outdented ALT2 below. Now you can even count the dots :) Striking the other two versions. --Pgallert (talk) 00:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2:... that after reaching Angola in the Dorsland Trek of the 1870s, many South African Boers turned back when the Portuguese tried to convert them to Catholicism and forbade their language in schools?

Moist static energy

• ... that in 1958 while studying tropical moist static energy profiles, Herbert Riehl and Joanne Malkus found that hot towers were the primary mechanism for transporting energy out of the tropics?

Created by Atmoz (talk). Nominated by Atmoz (talk) at 13:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length checked. AGF-ing offline reference. BejinhanTalk 11:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Enthalpy-entropy chart

• ... that a Enthalpy-entropy chart shows enthalpy in terms of internal energy, pressure and volume, so that the work done in vapor cycles can be directly measured as a length?

Created by Raghul.mariner (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 11:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook verified. BejinhanTalk 11:40, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

East Bay (Texas)

• ... that Rollover Pass, which connects East Bay with the Gulf of Mexico, was named after the practice of rolling exports and imports to avoid Customs during Spanish rule?

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 07:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook verified. BejinhanTalk 11:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Gayle Blevins

• ... that Iowa and Indiana coach Gayle Blevins retired in June 2010 ranked second in NCAA Division I softball history with 1,245 wins?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook ref verified. APK whisper in my ear 06:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 24

Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez

• ... that Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez, the mayor of Guadalupe, was murdered in front of his family due to the Mexican Drug War? Created by Chandlerjoeyross (talk); 5x expanded on 26 June 2010 by SamEV (talk) Nominated by moreno oso (talk) 06:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ...that before Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez was murdered by Mexican drug cartels, he secretly hid his family?

ALT2 ...that Jesús Manuel Lara Rodríguez was a friend of Mayor José Reyes Ferriz, hid in Ferriz' city but requested no protection even though death threats had been made?

• I couldn't verify alt1 and it seems to contradict the first hook, but I verified the hook and alt2. Date and expansion are both legit. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick pick-up. I will see if I can fix the citations. In a nutshell, the mayor received death threats and had a home in the other city. 30 days prior to his murder, he moved his family there in secrecy. On the day before Father's Day, he was gunned down as indicated. ----moreno oso (talk) 07:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The citations to lede should now make sense and are in English for the benefit of all. Poor guy probably thought he only had three weeks to go and he would be safe out of office. ----moreno oso (talk) 10:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Nick Parker

• ... that the son of Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker (pictured), commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, was severely injured serving as a captain in Afghanistan?

• ALT1:... that Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker (pictured) is currently in command of 140,000 troops as acting commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan
• Comment: Use whichever hook you feel is more appropriate/interesting. The first is, admittedly a little wordy! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by HJ Mitchell (talk), Dormskirk (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 04:06, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Periclimenes dardanicola, Dardanus pedunculatus

• ... that the shrimp Periclimenes dardanicola lives on sea anemones on the shell of the hermit crab Dardanus pedunculatus, in one of the few associations between two decapods?

• Comment: Dardanus pedunculatus is a 5× expansion by User:Stemonitis; Periclimenes dardanicola is a new by User:Wilhelmina Will and User:Stemonitis.

Created by Wilhelmina Will (talk). Nominated by Stemonitis (talk) at 06:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• -Atmoz (talk) 21:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

1973 Buffalo Bills season

• ... that during the 1973 Buffalo Bills season, O.J. Simpson set the current single-season National Football League record for average rushing yards per game.?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 18:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is somewhat confusing. I believe that the word average would correct some of the confusion. Dincher (talk) 23:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• sure add average before rushing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• --Dincher (talk) 01:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Kaikō

• ... that in 1995, the ROV Kaikō (pictured) became the first vessel to visit the Challenger Deep since the landmark Trieste expedition in 1960?

5x expanded by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• All looks good to me. Interesting little machine! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Freedom of information legislation (Florida)

• ... that Florida's open government laws are considered the most expansive in the United States?

Created by Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook. Nominated by Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook at 08:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

1974–75 Buffalo Sabres season

• ... that although all three members of The French Connection missed several games, they still finished 1-2-3 in scoring for the 1974–75 Buffalo Sabres?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 05:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• (alt hook) ...that the 1974–75 Buffalo Sabres had three separate 10 game unbeaten streaks during the 80 game season?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Gerald R. Stockman

• ... that Gerald R. Stockman's support of fair housing efforts in New Jersey earned him recognition by The New York Times as "one of the Legislature's strongest open-housing advocates"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date, length, hook ref verified. APK whisper in my ear 06:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Jeon-gwan ye-u

• ... that in the South Korean legal system, litigants prefer to hire former judges or prosecutors as their lawyers, because they think sitting judges will treat them more favourably?

• Comment: The hook fact is cited to a restricted-access journal paper; you can see a preprint version here. I expanded the article after finding it at AfD; note that the the AfD is still open and the article is likely to be moved to a different title. cab (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment: The AfD has been closed, and I moved the article to jeon-gwan ye-u. Thanks, cab (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk) at 01:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

1–5 Pillory Street, Nantwich

• ... that the ornate Chesters' Stores building of 1911 (pictured) in Nantwich, Cheshire, was likened to the Lusitania liner because of its porthole-like windows?

Created by Espresso Addict (talk). Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk) at 01:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. (that's a lot of windows) APK whisper in my ear 01:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

William G. Austin

• ... that in 1993, U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell suggested that William G. Austin's Medal of Honor be rescinded due to the controversial battle after which it was given?

Created by 71.184.37.118 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 21:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• The hook has only one source to it, so Ill pass this but there are a couple sentences with 14 citations immediately after.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Watch Case Company

• ... that the Star Watch Case Company was a watch producer and a manufacturer of the top secret Norden bombsight used as an aid in guiding bombs from aircraft during WWII?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference for above original hook: Ludington Daily News, April 16, 1994; p. 1 During the Second World War, Star Watch Case turned its know-how to the manufacture of components for military navigational aides and even the super secret Norden bombsight, to say nothing of thousands of cases for military compasses. Inline reference provided in article under section "Military".--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 - that the Star Watch Case Company made a "Moonwatch" that was worn by astronaut Wally Schirra on a trip to the moon?

Reference: NASA section of article: NAWCC, p. 7 Some of the more famous Star watch cases were used for Omega’s Pulsar watches, the Lord Elgin electronic watches, and the Omega Speedmaster Professional — the wristwatch worn by astronaut Wally Schirra on the last trip to the moon.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2 - that the Star Watch Case Company made certain watches that were worn by astronauts in space?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ernest Veuve

• ... that the U.S. Army Reserve Center in Missoula, Montana was named for Medal of Honor recipient Ernest Veuve?

Created by 72.74.203.184 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 21:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

List of governments in Canada by annual expenditures

• ... that the City of Toronto has a bigger annual budget than the governments of Prince Edward Island, Nunavut, Yukon and the Northwest Territories combined?

Created by Padraic (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Big Bambú

• ... that you can climb over and through Big Bambú, the newest sculpture in the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

Created by User:AMuseo (talk). Self nom 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• At 1219 characters of prose, the article is a little short of the 1500 required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I have lengthened it.AMuseo (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Date and length are fine now. However, the hook seems to imply (to me, at least) that it's part of the museum's permanent collection, which it isn't, and there's no source stating that it's still the "newest" anyways. How does the following alternate sound? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that visitors can climb through the Metropolitan Museum of Art's temporary art installation, Big Bambú, which is constantly evolving as a crew of rock climbers builds it throughout its six month run?

I concur.AMuseo (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Dick LaRossa

• ... that Dick LaRossa was elected to the New Jersey Senate after serving as weekend host of the New Jersey Lottery drawings, which made him "arguably one of the most recognizable faces in the state"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook verified. Article classified as stub-class. BejinhanTalk 10:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

List of railway lines in Vietnam

• ... that proposed railway lines in Vietnam include new links to Cambodia and Laos, as well as a 1,570 km-long bullet train that would travel from Hanoi to Ho Chi Minh City in around 6 hours?

Created by Dragfyre (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Paul Unruh

• ... that because he got drafted by the United States Army, basketball player Paul Unruh missed an opportunity to play for the Olympic gold medal-winning men's basketball team in 1952?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

The Flower Girl

• ... that according to official North Korean sources, the opera The Flower Girl was written exclusively by North Korean leader Kim Il-sung?

5x expanded by Benlisquare (talk). Nominated by Benlisquare (talk) at 10:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• Found hook source in English, but article is short on 5x expansion. Please install WP:DYKcheck and expand until it's 5x. Thanks, Crum375 (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• I wouldn't really call it an "expansion" though. I've been working at the article since March 2010 at User:Benlisquare/The Flower Girl, but in early June 2010, another editor beat me to creating a stub; I had finished the article 10 days after that. I've essentially copypasted my version over it, since the original was unsourced, and not entirely factual (it claimed that it was only a film). Would an exception possibly be made? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 06:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Article has been 5x expanded to the standard of WP:DYKcheck. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 11:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Avid Radiopharmaceuticals

• ... that a radioactive tracer 18F-AV-45 that can be used to detect Alzheimer's disease using PET scans has been developed by Avid Radiopharmaceuticals?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thomas P. Foy

• ... that in the wake of voter anger at tax increases enacted by Governor James Florio, New Jersey Assemblymember Thomas P. Foy supported allowing voters to remove legislators from office by referendum?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 21:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Horatio Washington Bruce

• ... that, despite having served as a Confederate congressman during the American Civil War, Judge Horatio Washington Bruce was among the first Kentuckians to advocate that the testimony of Negros be considered admissible in court?

5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Nominated by Acdixon (talk) at 16:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 23

Grove Farm (Lihue, Hawaii), A. Widemann, George Norton Wilcox

• ... that Grove Farm was founded in 1854 by Hermann Widemann, and kept in the estate of George Wilcox until 2000? ALT1=... that Grove Farm was founded by Hermann Widemann, greatly expanded by George Wilcox, and is now owned by Steve Case?

• Comment: All three should qualify: Widemann started June 23, Grove Farm June 25, Wilcox June 26

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 18:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Chiefly About War Matters

• ... that Nathaniel Hawthorne's 1862 essay "Chiefly About War Matters" was censored because of his description of Abraham Lincoln?

Created by Midnightdreary (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Parker (Hawaii)

• ... that Samuel Parker (pictured), the first Republican candidate for delegate to US Congress from the Territory of Hawaii married the mother-in-law of the first Democratic candidate?

• ALT1:=... that Samuel Parker (pictured), was in the cabinet of Queen Liliʻuokalani when she was overthrown in 1893?
• Comment: moved from user space June 23 after a long development. I like the first hook even though it is not the biggest notability of Parker (they both lost and a thrid party won). The other tidbit is that Parker's nephew who was also widower of his daughter married the widow of the second Republican candidate, who was the brother of the first Democratic one (Parker's step-son-in-law?) but that is convoluted.

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 21:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Mike McShane (ice hockey)

• ... that Mike McShane led Norwich to eight Frozen Fours and ranks ninth all-time among NCAA men's ice hockey coaches with 564 wins?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Tim Coghlin

• ... that Tim Coghlin advanced to the Frozen Four in six of the past eight years and has the second highest career winning percentage among the 100 all-time winningest college men's hockey coaches?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 20:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, lengths, hook ref verified. I am approving this, but the article really needs an independent third party secondary source to establish notability, i.e. one not involved with his school or his sports organization. A newspaper article about him, for example, even a local one, would really help. Also, adding some information about him outside his professional achievements would be nice. Crum375 (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I have added several additional sources and additional information from those sources as well. Cbl62 (talk) 03:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Elakala Falls

• ... that the namesake of Elakala Falls (pictured) comes from the legend of Elakala, the story of a Native American princess who threw herself over the edge of the first waterfall when her lover scorned her?

5x expanded by Raeky (talk), Cmadler. Nominated by Raeky (talk) at 15:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• This should definitely be a DYK header, since the picture is a finalist for picture of the year. Just a couple of things: "the namesake of...comes from" is bad English, I would prefer "that Elakala Falls (pictured) derives its name from...". Secondly, can something be done with that [citation needed] tag? It's a bit of an eyesore. Lampman (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• That wording is fine, and the CN statement can just be deleted since it's unlikely to find a supporting reference since it's mostly OR from google searches. — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 00:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Good to go then! Lampman (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• I e-mailed the wv state park e-mail for backwater falls state park before I started improving this article to see if they could provide more information. They got back with me today and the official states she doesn't believe the legend revolves around a princess, shes going to look through some of the material they have there and get back with me with some corrections from those sources. So it might be prudent to either switch the DYK to another hook for the article that does not bring up the princess or put a hold on it until we hear back from the state park... — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 18:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• I went ahead and tracked down the reference she was referring too, it's a different account of the legend involving a warrior named Elakala. I added both accounts, we felt since both had references we should include both. So I'd like someone else's opinion if the hook should be changed or left as is? Both accounts are referenced (talk page includes the full quote from the book that the legend comes from). — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 17:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT1... that Elakala Falls (pictured) may derive its name from the legend of Elakala, the story of a Native American princess who threw herself over the edge of the first waterfall when her lover scorned her?

I think this slight tweak (adding "may") covers the bases, and is clearly cited. Sasata (talk) 00:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'd also like Cmadler recognized for his effort to improve the article, hes been a great help. — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 00:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Have added him to the credits. Sasata (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Ribbon farm

• ... that ribbon farms established near Detroit were only 150 feet wide, but up to 3 miles deep?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Jameson (talk) at 11:09, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• For convenience, direct link to source is here, at bottom of page 30. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, hook length, ref verified. Is "platting" a typo here? "It is likely that platting farms in ribbon lots arose independently in various parts of the world." Crum375 (talk) 12:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• A plat is a map of land divisions. The verb form is to make such a map. I suppose that's not technically accurate, in that I don't know if actual maps were made, but I thought the sense of "platting a subdivision" was common enough that the meaning was there. Perhaps the wording could be changed. Andrew Jameson (talk) 17:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, thank you. I leave it to your judgment. Crum375 (talk) 00:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• Would prefer to see long rather than deep to describe the length of the farm plots in the hook. Gobonobo ^{T C} 13:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that ribbon farms established near Detroit were only 150 feet wide, but up to 3 miles long?

As an explanation, "deep" makes sense in the context of the article, since these lots are primarily along rivers, and thus they're "deep" in the sense of "extending far in or back from the front or from an edge." However, in a short hook where the overall context doesn't appear, "deep" could easily be misinterpreted to be meant in the sense of "extending far down from the top or surface." So I'd support ALT1. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Neva River

• ... that every winter between 1895 and 1910, electric trams were running on the ice of the frozen Neva River (pictured)?

• Comment: ALT1 ... that in 1963, a plane landed on Neva River (pictured) with 45 passengers and no casualties? Here are alternative tram pictures. Although ALT1 is reminescent of the recent famous landing, I do prefer the main hook.

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 10:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Matsci, why are you omitting the definite article through most of this article? That may be appropriate in the original Russian, but it isn't grammatical in English. Gatoclass (talk) 07:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

  I am not good with definite articles anyway. Omitted because "The Neva" sounds funny to me, close to Geneva, Zeneva or Jenever, whereas Neva is quite unique. Writing and speech are different though .. Materialscientist (talk) 07:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Nouns take a definite article in English, I know this is not the case in many other languages, but this is the English-language 'pedia not the Russian, it's "the Neva" in English. Gatoclass (talk) 08:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Salvador Cristau Coll

• ... that Salvador Cristau Coll is a Spanish Monsignor, Archpriest and Vicar General? Self-nominated by moreno oso (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ... that Salvador Cristau Coll was appointed by Pope Benedict XVI as the Auxiliary Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Terrassa?

ALT2 ... that Salvador Cristau Coll was incardinated as a Spanish prelate?

• These hooks are pretty ordinary. Can't you find a better angle? Gatoclass (talk) 11:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Not really. This is pretty ordinary ordinary. ----moreno oso (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that Salvador Cristau Coll, who is an Archpriest, was incardinated two times?

• If you look at his diocesan section, you will see that he was incardinated once in Madrid and then in his present diocese. The archpriest suggests something bad and most people will think incardinate means "locked up". ----moreno oso (talk) 10:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Carmine DeSopo, 7th Legislative District (New Jersey)

• ... that Carmine DeSopo was elected to office in 1995 in the New Jersey General Assembly's 7th Legislative District in the first legislative race in state history in which spending exceeded $1 million?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 22

The Oatmeal

• ... that the website The Oatmeal, with comics with subjects ranging from zombies, to horse care, to English grammar, receives over 20 million hits a month after existing for less than a year?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 02:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Pocket Gamer

• ... that the mobile gaming magazine Pocket Gamer peaked at a circulation of 700,000 copies when it was published in all T-Mobile and O2 UK stores in the UK and on the websites of Vodafone and 3 UK?

Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• I'd like to note that this is considered to be a new article because the article did not exist when I created it (it was deleted, check the logs), and I later asked for the deleted version to be restored for posterity purposes. Gary King (talk) 01:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Eric Hamilton

• ... that Eric Hamilton, the youngest American college football head coach when hired by Trenton State College at age 23, has held the same job for 33 years?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

List of college football coaches with 200 career wins

• ... that the list of college football coaches with 200 career wins is topped by John Gagliardi, Eddie Robinson, and Joe Paterno?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Keith W. Piper

• ... that Keith Piper successfully perpetuated the single-wing, "the formation-of-choice during football's leather-helmet era," for decades after it had been discarded by other teams?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Peter Mazzaferro

• ... that Peter "Papa Bear" Mazzaferro was removed as head football coach at Bridgewater after 19 years, sued for age discrimination, and coached another 17 years there after being reinstated?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 18:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Toy book

• ... that in the Victorian era the concept of a picture book for children, with illustrations dominating the text, was popularized with small books called toy books?

Created by Truthkeeper88 (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Dennis Douds

• ... that football coach Denny Douds, climbing the career wins list after decades at the same university, jumped with the U.S. Army Parachute Team in May 2010 at age 69?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 08:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Joe Taylor (American football coach)

• ... that Florida A&M football coach Joe Taylor has a career record of 214–82–4 and won four Black College Championships at Hampton?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 17:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The Rose of Castille

• ... that a gala performance of Michael William Balfe's opera The Rose of Castille was given at Her Majesty's Theatre on January 21, 1858, in honour of the impending marriage of Queen Victoria's daughter, Princess Victoria, to Prince Frederick William of Prussia?

Created by GuillaumeTell (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is too long at 262 characters. Maybe you can figure out an alternate hook under 200 characters. The link to reference number 4 seems to be down? Any idea when it might be up again? Offline reference 5 AGF. Date of article creation checks out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Regstuff (talk • contribs) 15:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• How about:

  ...that a gala performance of The Rose of Castille was given on 21 January 1858 to honour the impending marriage of Queen Victoria's daughter, Princess Victoria, to Prince Frederick William of Prussia?

  (exactly 200, if you need to get it under 200, take out the "William", i.e "Prince Frederick of Prussia") Voceditenore (talk) 15:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Charles Rawden Maclean

• ... that while still a boy, Charles Rawden Maclean, otherwise known as "John Ross", walked more than 600 km, crossing crocodile and hippopotamus-infested rivers, to obtain relief supplies for the settlement at Port Natal?

Created by Martinvl (talk). Nominated by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) at 05:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that while still a boy, John Ross walked more than 600 km, crossing crocodile and hippopotamus-infested rivers, to obtain relief supplies for the settlement at Port Natal? (In case the first hook is too long) Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Amir Omar

• ... that City Councilman Amir Omar is believed to be the first Muslim and first Iranian-American to hold a political office in Texas?

Created by Mccalpin (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 00:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Torpedo (petroleum)

• ... that American Civil War veteran Edward A. L. Roberts got the idea to use a torpedo-like explosive to mine oil from the Battle of Vicksburg?

• ALT1:... that petroleum torpedos originally used gunpowder before nitroglycerin?

Created by Niagara (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• This appears to have already appeared in DYK, doing so on 26 June 2010. AustralianRupert (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

PWS-6

• ... that the PWS-6 was the the first Polish aircraft fitted with slats—but the prototype is the only model ever produced?

Created by Pibwl (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 21:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• I think the article needs a bit of a copy edit. I had a go but could not penetrate some of the terminology. In the Specifications section there are a number of non-sentences (that is sentences that are missing parts of speech or are very short). Also the the General characteristics have missing values (e.g. there are brackets with nothing in them). Could these be added, or the brackets removed? AustralianRupert (talk) 08:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
  • I've tried to improve it, but better some native English speaker will take a look. Brackets are by default for values in Imperial measures, but I can't convert them. Pibwl ←« 16:22, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hoxne Hoard

• ... that the Hoxne Hoard, the largest hoard of Roman silver and gold discovered in Britain, includes pepper pots, silverware and a body chain (pictured)?

• Comment: WIP ... its meant to be an FA candidate by Friday, but its certainly done 5x expansion already

5x expanded by Witty lama (talk), Fæ (talk), The Land (talk), WereSpielChequers and lots of others. Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Temoaya

• ... that hand knotted Persian style rugs with Mexican indigenous designs are made in Temoaya, Mexico?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm, thought I commented on this one yesterday but apparently not. I was not able to confirm from the supplied source that they are producing "Persian" style rugs. Can you point me to a source which confirms this please? Gatoclass (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

OK... I put a new citation right after where it says "Persian style hand knotted rugs" from the El Informador source http://www.informador.com.mx/suplementos/2008/56613/6/tapetes-de-temoaya.htm The second sentence of these source specifically says "Persian" (Adquirió fama por sus tapetes de manufactura puramente indígena, una lujosa artesanía tejida con esmero similar al del arte textil persa.)Thelmadatter (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Danelle German

• ... that besides founding the National Cat Groomers Institute of America, Danelle German also created handbags made out of cat fur?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Nominated by Miller17CU94 (talk) at 14:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook verified. BejinhanTalk 09:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

• Actually, this one has almost no independent sourcing. Gatoclass (talk) 13:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• All of the sourcing is valid. She was on Cats 101 about this. Chris (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• The article has only one independent source, and that is to a tabloid newspaper. Every other source is to German's own website or businesses. That not only smacks of promotionalism, it also raises questions about notability. If this person and her activities are really notable, it shouldn't be hard to find a few independent sources to confirm it. Gatoclass (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Kevin Kelley (musician)

• ... that drummer Kevin Kelley was the first non-original member to join the Los Angeles rock band The Byrds?

• ALT1:that drummer Kevin Kelley is the cousin of country rock pioneer and ex-member of The Byrds and The Flying Burrito Brothers, Chris Hillman?

Created by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

John and Eliza Barr Patterson House

• ... that the farmyard of the 1844 John and Eliza Barr Patterson House (pictured) still contains a rosebush, peonies, and daylilies dating from the late 19th and early 20th century?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Jameson (talk) at 11:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Note: source of this fact is this nom form, at the very top of page 28. "The Patterson farm has a rosebush, peonies, and day lilies from the nineteenth and early twentieth century." Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

True/Slant

• ... that Lisa Todorovich wrote in True/Slant that if Warren Beatty's claims to have slept with 13,000 women is true, he would have had to have slept with one woman every 1.17 days from age 14 to age 55?

Created by --Epeefleche (talk) 07:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC); self nom

• This hook doesn't work, in my opinion. First of all, it's not really about True/Slant, but more about Warren Beatty. More specifically, it's about Peter Biskind's biography of Beatty, Star: How Warren Beatty Seduced America, in which Biskind estimated that Beatty had slept with 12,775 women. This was not Beatty's own claim, but rather an estimate by the biographer. Biskind arrived at this figure by doing basically the same mathematical calculation cited in the hook, just by multiplying rather than dividing: ""If he had no more than one partner a night -- and often there were several -- over a period of, say, three and a half decades from the mid-1950s ... to 1991, when he met Annette Bening, and allowing for the stretches when he was with the same woman, more or less, we can arrive at a figure of 12,775 women, give or take," Biskind wrote." [2] Todorovich basically took the number 12,775 and divided it over the appropriate period of Beatty's life. [3] So this is just a reiteration of what Biskind wrote, which Beatty's lawyer said was "baloney" anyway. [4] --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• We routinely (as editors who frequent this page know), at DyK related to media, use what the media has reported. This hook does just that. It is verifiable. Verifiabilty, not truth, is the core test. IMHO Metro's OR dispute (regarding "truth", not verifiability) with what the publication has indubitably said is not a reason to not promote a verifiable hook.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• I can understand wanting to use as a hook what a media subject has reported, but I'd rather it be something that the media subject reported originally rather than just paraphrasing from a recently published book. With that in mind, here's an ALT1 hook: ... that a True/Slant blogger revealed the news that Facebook president Mark Zuckerberg had changed his privacy settings to allow almost 300 personal photos to be displayed to friends of his friends? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• I'm happy for you to add your ALT1 (though I question whether it is as "hooky"). I remain of the opinion that the original hook is perfecty fine. True/Slant is not paraphrasing a book. Rather, it is reporting (and this is what is the hooky thing about their report) that the numbers revealed in the book calcualate out to approx one new partner a day for his adult life. That's not just a paraphrase. But, why not put up both hooks for consideration, and whichever the masses here prefer can be used.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• It seems that after having his Operation Arabian Knight article rejected for DYK, Epeefleche is now trying to give it backdoor exposure through this article. I think if the material was deemed unsuitable, it's unsuitable whether in a standalone article or piggybacking on another one. Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• I would ask Gato to retract that untruth. Without discussing Gato's behavior, I would simply point out that this DYK nom preceded Gato's effort to undermine the other DYK as it was in-queue. And further, that there is nothing in this hook that discusses the other hook.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

• Well not exactly, as I raised concerns about the other hook long before this one was nommed. And you could have alerted someone to the fact that you had another nom with the same material in it. But it does seem I was mistaken to assume that you nommed this article after the rejection of the other one, and apologize for the misunderstanding.

However, none of that addresses the current problem, which is that this article contains material already rejected as unsuitable for the main page. Given that the material is also superfluous to the subject of this article, there is even less reason to include it here. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ode: Intimations of Immortality

• ... that the literary critic Francis Jeffrey declared William Wordsworth's Immortality Ode: "beyond all doubt, the most illegible and unintelligible part of the publication"?

5x expanded by Ottava Rima (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 03:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• What publication? I think you would need to add that to the hook. Did Ottava intend this for Wikipedia BTW, or for another project? Gatoclass (talk) 10:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• [5] I suggest the hook: ... that the literary critic Francis Jeffrey declared William Wordsworth's Immortality Ode, printed in Poems in Two Volumes, "beyond all doubt, the most illegible and unintelligible part of the publication"? Blurpeace 13:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, we'll go with the alt. Gatoclass (talk) 14:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• As per below, I don't think Ottava Rima can get DYK credit for this. cmadler (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

There are strong views on both sides of the proxy editing by banned users, on that I stand mute. But I will say that they should not get DYK credit for it. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Kubla Khan

• ... that when John Livingston Lowes taught Kubla Khan, he told his class "If there is any man in the history of literature who should be hanged, drawn, and quartered, it is the man on business from Porlock."?

5x expanded by Ottava Rima (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 03:40, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Ottava Rima is in fact banned until Dec 2010. Looking at the history of the article, I see that OR wrote the expanded content in his userspace at Simple Wiki, then someone transferred it here. Even assuming that there's no violation of WP:BAN, are we happy that DYK should be used to reward edits made on behalf of banned users? Has this come up before? Bencherlite^Talk 15:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

There is a prescedent; [6] [7]  Chzz  ►  16:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date check. AGF for offline source. -Atmoz (talk) 18:19, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I modified "[the]" to "the" based on Ottava's request. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I think in the previous case, it was a DYK based on edits Ottava had done prior to the ban. In this case, I don't think Ottava can be credited for the DYK. According to WP:BAN, "Editing on behalf of banned users is not allowed." cmadler (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

He was credited as a nominator for this FAC and this DYK after his ban, FYI. Also, that line you quoted is expanded on later in the same page. Essentially, editors here who copy Ottava's work (he asks them to copy them for him) are responsible themselves for the work they copy; all of Ottava's work (that I know of) that he has asked to be copied are well written pieces of work, which comply with the WP:MOS, etc. so that's why editors are willing to copy his work for him. Including this DYK. Gary King (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

<shrug> I don't care that much about it, I'm not going to argue about it, it just strikes me that 1) either it is considered Ottava Rima's content or it's not, in which case it is considered someone else's content; 2) if it's considered Ottava Rima's content, it seems like a circumvention of the ban; 3) if it's not Ottava Rima's content then someone else should be credited. But I won't stand in the way of the DYK over it. Consider this a declared reservation and proceed. cmadler (talk) 19:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

As the banning policy page says [I've bolded one word], "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned user (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to confirm that the changes are verifiable and they have independent reasons for making them." Only verified information should go on DYK, so the first part of the banning page's criteria isn't a problem if it's ready for DYK, and improving or maintaining Wikipedia is a good enough independent reason for Sj to make edits such as this. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

There are strong views on both sides of the proxy editing by banned users, on that I stand mute. But I will say that they should not get DYK credit for it. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I've posted a note at WT:DYK regarding this discussion. cmadler (talk) 12:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

My personal view is who ever ultimately made the edit should be getting attributed since they are essentially the ones that own the edits, and blocked editors shouldn't be getting attribution and recognition for "side steeping" around their block by getting others to do "proxy editing". Peachey88 ^{(Talk Page · Contribs)} 13:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I have semi-protected this page whilst this is resolved. Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Semi-protection seems pointless, since it's primarily established users editing that page, and the proxy edit in question was done by an administrator. cmadler (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

That's a view. My view is that this could go to main page still and it has been iditted by proxy. My vote is no. DYK is for us to show off what is currently happening in new articles. I'm not proud of this. I'd skip it for DYK and that goes for the other one too. Nice articles ... maybe, but they break the rules. Anyone agree? Victuallers (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Strongly disagree: there's nothing in the DYK criteria prohibiting it, and as I already pointed out, the banning policy page doesn't prohibit it either. Nyttend (talk) 15:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

They break the rules. They improve the Wikipedia. Strongly disagree. -Atmoz (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Just like the two guys above, I strongly disagree with this view, too. And I find the semi-protection to be extremely excessive, considering that all the users who have edited the article since it was expanded are established users, anyway. The article is a perfect candidate for DYK, from a content perspective. At the very least, the article should be featured in DYK with credit given to no one. Gary King (talk · scripts) 15:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The Edge Festival

• ... that contrary to most music festivals, The Edge Festival takes place across multiple different locations, with fifty artists performing across seven venues in 2009?

• Comment: Article was 1,779 characters in length, expanded 5x (without infobox or tables) to 9,255 on 22 June 2010.

5x expanded by SteelersFan UK06 (talk). Nominated by SteelersFan UK06 (talk) at 01:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• Fails WP:DYKcheck, showing currently 3520 prose characters. Please follow the instructions in WP:DYKcheck to load that script into your skin file, then expand the article some more, and use the tool to verify that 5x prose expansion is met. Crum375 (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
• To be more specific, the count listed in an article's history isn't accurate, the 5x expansion applies to prose only, excluding tables, infoboxes, and many other things. This article is currently 2.65x expanded by DYK criteria. ErinM (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I used this tool for both counts, removing the tables and infoboxes which i added in the second. The original didn't contain any of the above at all, which is how i produced the above numbers. Can you tell me what i'm seeing wrong? --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 21:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but according to the page size tool I use, the page is currently at 6101 characters of prose, compared to 1324 characters of prose before. So you're close to a 5x expansion now; one more good paragraph could be enough to satisfy the minimum requirement. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I installed the tool and rechecked, i think I realised the problem - I was counting references. The article will be long enough in 24 hours... --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 00:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Article now passes DYKcheck's standards, but i will continue to improve. Hook should be assessed by source in lead para. --^{SteelersFanUK06} HereWeGo2010! 02:37, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I count 6,749 characters now, versus 1,345 before — that's long enough, and the date is good. I don't have time to check sourcing and hook, so I can't pass this article right now. Nyttend (talk) 22:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 21

Tremont Nail Company

• ... that the Tremont Nail Company is the oldest manufacturer of steel cut nails in the United States?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 00:19, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm, a little concerned about this one. There is very little about the company as it is today. Most of it seems to be about the company's former historic site. Wouldn't it make more sense to merge this material into the existing article about the historic site? That article currently consists of only one line. Gatoclass (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Well the problem with that is that the historic site and the company are two different things. From what I have seen, we have two articles normally in terms of the historic site and the other entity, whatever that may be. I took most of this information from their history page so it will naturally be a bit biased anyways. A while back I had a similar issue with Worcester State Hospital and Worcester Asylum and related buildings, two separate things covering the same place. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpret things here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

PWS-5

• ... that only five models of the PWS-5, a Polish liaison aircraft, were produced?

Created by Pibwl (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 21:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

• "variants" only lists 4 variants and not each has a ref. ~</ref> — Rlevse • Talk •

The Georgetown Improv Association

• ... that since 1997, The Georgetown Improv Association has hosted "Improvfest," one of the oldest improvisational theater festivals in the United States?

Created by Wikipedical (talk). Self nom at 03:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

• date and length check out, but I'm not happy with the references. All citations are from Georgetown University student publications to reference a Georgetown student group. I'd need to see some independent corroboration that the claim in the hook is true, and that the subject of the article is itself notable outside the confines of a particular university. Voceditenore (talk) 11:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that according to comedian Nick Kroll, performing with The Georgetown Improv Association provided Kroll with "the confidence and experience to pursue a career in comedy"? Created by Wikipedical (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Will approve the alt once the refs are properly formatted. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

2 July, Feast of the Visitation

Ursula Buckel

• ... that soprano Ursula Buckel recorded the cantata Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben, BWV 147, which Bach had written for the feast of the Visitation always celebrated on 2 July?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• barely enough prose, 1514 char, but enough — Rlevse • Talk • 14:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

• both singer and cantata expanded --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

4 July, fifth Sunday after Trinity

Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten, BWV 93

• ... that Bach arranged the central duet of his chorale cantata Wer nur den lieben Gott läßt walten, BWV 93, written for the fifth Sunday after Trinity, as one of his Schübler Chorales?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• — Rlevse • Talk • 22:34, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• typo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).