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October 3

October 3, 2020 (2020-10-03) (Saturday)
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Ongoing removal: Wildfires

Article: 2020 Western United States wildfire season (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Last date in timeline in article body is from September 22. Fires are still ongoing, though in a diminished capacity that is no longer ITN-level news. Morgan695 (talk) 06:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are indeed still fires burning, but most of the enormous blazes that were threatening urban centers have been contained. We don't need to keep an ongoing item up for smaller conflagrations that are no longer in the news (it doesn't help that other stories are squeezing it out).--WaltCip-(talk) 15:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support according to the guidelines, the target is not getting regular content updates however Oppose according to the criteria used to keep other festering shit in the box for months on end because the "sub articles" are getting updates and here are some links to WP:RS which aren't in the target but who cares [1] [2] [3] [4]. When we decide what criteria are used to judge this OG item you can count the appropriate !vote from me. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Destroyeraa, whom I consider to be the authority on these sorts of disaster articles.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems fair, there haven't been updates for a couple of weeks.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at the article? It was updated yesterday with two new fires. Does anyone actually look at the targets when considering ongoing noms? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

White House outbreak of COVID-19

Article: White House outbreak of COVID-19 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Seven top federal officials, including President Donald Trump have been infected with COVID-19 in an outbreak at the White House. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: We properly rejected an ITN nomination on Trump's personal diagnosis, but the past day has made it clear that the condition is not limited to Trump, but rather part of an ongoing outbreak among the top echelon of the federal government, affecting President, Senators, and exposing a nominee for President and a nominee for the Supreme Court. With all three branches affected and the presidential campaigns and debates in flux, recent comparison to Boris Johnson are, regrettably, no longer valid.

The outbreak merits inclusion in our frontpage, I encourage you to mention it. Feoffer (talk) 07:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose – Same basic topic as yesterday's DT-virus nom. – Sca (talk) 12:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rather more severe than the Brits’ outbreak, since 10 people have gotten it already, and this thing spreads really quickly. Trump hospitalized, Biden exposed, and it’s getting close to the election. What a mess! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 12:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support one cannot deny the story is in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is not exactly the same as the earlier nomination, which was just about Trump; this is about a decent chunk of the US federal government getting it. I might suggest that Feoffer propose a blurb for consideration(if possible, using the template provided for blurb nominations above the edit window for this page). 331dot (talk) 12:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I added the template for the benefit of everyone reading this. TompaDompa (talk) 12:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I was skeptical when the news first broke, but given the repurcissions (on the elections, the governance of a superpower) and given how it has spread beyond the president, yeah, no doubt this should be posted. It's major news, with significant impact. It's also the top headline in news outlets outside the US. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:E4C9:4335:D6E3:43CF (talk) 12:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no denying it's in the news, but we are not a news ticker and the actual global impact of this is at best unknown. Essentially this is either a covid story or a US election story, and either way we don't give blow by blow accounts if everything that develops in those ongoing sagas.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We did not post when other world leaders got it, nor do we post due to the speculated importance this has based on the media. We're not going to posted because of the US bias of the world news. --Masem (t) 13:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Now apart from Trump, three U.S. Republican Senators have tested positive since yesterday already. Regarding "peculated importance this has based on the media", we are in fact supposed to look at what the sources say about the importance of various events, rather than speculate about their importance or lack thereof themselves, as all the opposes do above. By the way, not that anyone here will care but the top two pageviews for Oct 2, were for Hope Hicks with 1,213,508 pageviews, and for Donald Trump, with 434,632 pageviews. that was before the wave of positive diagnoses from people near Trump in the White House and the Congress became known. Clearly, the Wikipedia readers have their own idea on whether the topic is 'in the news'. Nsk92 (talk) 14:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per Nsk. The #1 thing our readers are looking for, and it's (still) front page news around the world. It's undeniably the biggest news story in the world right now. (And it's at least as important as the Stanley Cup, which has been on our front page for a week.) Lev!vich 14:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP is not a newspaper. If readers are looking for this on WP, they are in the wrong place. That's CNN, BBC, or even Wikinews. We have no idea if this is yet an encyclopedia topic of enduring coverage. --Masem (t) 14:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • How many times are you going to repeat that? Why is the Stanley Cup worthy of putting on our front page but POTUS getting COVID a month before the election is not? Tell me what logic supports this outcome. Stop linking to not news because this is called "IN THE NEWS" so yes it's clearly where we link stories that are in the news. This is in the news. So let's proceed from there: why should this story not be posted while other news stories are? What's the difference between this and the Stanley Cup or Arm-Aze or anything else we post? Lev!vich 14:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Because the Stanley Cup is an enduring topic of coverage, having a long history to it. We have zero idea if this COVID outbreak will have any impact on anything at this point, it is all wild speculation by the press who right now are frothing at the mouth with election coverage. Its clear night and day difference. --Masem (t) 15:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          You completely lose me when you say that the Stanley Cup is an enduring topic of coverage but POTUS getting COVID a month before an election might not be. I must be on an entirely different planet than you are right now. On my planet, every US presidential election has more enduring coverage, and more impact upon the world, than any Stanley Cup. On my planet, Trump getting COVID has already received far more global coverage than the Stanley Cup could ever hope for. I don't remember Le Monde or Bild putting the Stanley Cup on their front page for multiple days. You can replace "Stanley Cup" with anything on ITNC now or recently and it still holds true: new Kuwaiti Emir, Nag-Kar, and Arm-Abz... none of those have received anything close to the international news coverage that Trump/COVID has already received after less than 48hrs. Also, none of those are anywhere near as much interest to our readers (as determined by page views) as Trump/COVID. If we're not going to list the world's biggest news story on ITN, there's really no point to having an ITN. Lev!vich 15:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • Right now, Trump + other WH members getting COVID is still in the "burst of coverage" level of news. Every reporter is speculating on what will happen - will the next debates be cancelled, is this an October surprise, is this a ploy, etc. etc. As an encyclopedia, we have to look past that to identify if this is really a story to document in depth. There are certainly facts to be documented, but the weight of the story from an encyclopedic view is of yet unknown value, because it has no currently known impact on events. This is NOT#NEWS, NOT#CRYSTALBALL and a whole host of other NOTs at play. While what readers want to see is of some importance we also know they are not the best judgement of what makes an encyclopedia, as otherwise if we went by pageviews and reader interest, we would drop our academic side and focus on celebrity gossip, Pokemon lists, and Game of Throne summaries. Readers coming to WP as if it were a newspaper are unfortunately doing themselves a disservice because that is not our purpose at all. --Masem (t) 15:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • I bet you can't name an example of a story (from any time in history) that was on the front page of every newspaper in the world for two days but did not have lasting encyclopedic significance (or whatever test for inclusion we want to use). Or to put it another way, which of these things is not like the others: celebrity gossip, Pokemon, Game of Thrones, the Stanley Cup, the leader of the free world being hospitalized with the modern day plague a month before his election. Lev!vich 16:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
                • You have been arguing on pageviews and what readers want to see, that's what I presented. And of course we have posted stories that have dominated headlines for several days because the enduring importance is immediately obvious, such as after aircraft disasters, major earthquakes and hurricane/typhoon landfalls. I can't think immediately of examples of other cases, nor would be easy to check, but I am certain there are cases of ITNCs that we have not posted where the support !votes have pointed out (appropriately) worldwide frontpage coverage, for at least that day, but which we have not posted due to lack of clear enduring importance. This is how we distinguish what is news and what is an appropriate topic for an encyclopedia. And of course, there is also the systematic bias factor here that we should not be posting the case of US leaders getting it when we have not at all posted the other major world leaders having gotten and recovered from it. --Masem (t) 16:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Multiple senators and top officials in the White House and the Trump campaign have all been infected, in addition to the president, and the story continues to develop while getting top billing in international RS. I would support ongoing as well. Davey2116 (talk) 14:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Amakuru and Masem. If something actually happened rather than press speculation on what might happen if certain things happened, I might support this replacing the Stanley Cup, but this will only push the Arm-Aze conflict instead. ITN isn't known to much consider if what's proposed is more newsworthy+encyclopaedic than what's live, which is not always a good thing. Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Weak) Support per my reasons outlined on the ITN talk page. Amakuru's rationale of "it's in the news, but we are not a news ticker" is just about the most laughable thing I have ever seen since I've started contributing to ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    With all due respect (and I mean that, because you're a valuable editor here), you clearly haven't picked up the conventions that we follow here since you "started contributing to ITN" then. If you think one of our guiding principles is laughable. Newspapers print tens or hundreds of stories every day of the year, and sometimes they all print the same thing as each other around the world. This applied to the confirmation of Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, it applied when Boris got COVID, it also applied when Kirk Douglas died. But ITN has always weighed such coverage against enduring encyclopedic value, because that's the reason the section exists and it ties into our first pillar, which is that we are an encyclopedia. And clearly we can't post hundreds of stories a day ourselves. If you think there's something wrong with the "not a news ticker" convention then seek to get it changed on the talk page, rather than ribbing me and numerous other editors for invoking it for the 10,000th time in the last 15 years. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amakuru: I concede to your point regarding encyclopedic value, and also concede that in its current state the story is less encyclopedic value and more political intrigue. I admit I was looking at it purely from the prism of newsworthiness. I'll downgrade to a weak support and strike out my admittedly excessive comment against you. I apologize.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    What I disagree with (and kind of think is ridiculous) isn't the principle that we are not a news ticker, it's the suggestion that this story is a "news ticker" story. An example of a "news ticker" story would be "Trump and Biden hold first debate". That's the kind of blow-by-blow election coverage that we should not include in ITN. This, on the other hand, is global, front page, breaking news. It can't be dismissed as just a blip in the news cycle. Lev!vich 15:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I won't support as I haven't time to review quality, but the notion that this story is ephemeral is ludicrous. We're still talking about the Comey letter four years later, and that is substantially less impactful than the sitting POTUS being hospitalized with a deadly virus a month before the election. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Will certainly have *some* historic significance - much more so than the Stanley Cup. Historians are still writing about Grover Cleveland’s mouth growth. Zagalejo^^^ 15:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as its significance is yet uknown; several world leaders have had Covid, and have recovered; if it spreads enough to paralyze the executive branch, or to bring succession into play, then we might consider it. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support While it is probably the most notable thing happening today, the article itself needs work. Mcrsftdog (talk) 16:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Not in terms of the president getting it, but the idea that there's a localized outbreak in, of all places, the center of government (rather than random cities). Hopefully that would be posted in any other country. Kingsif (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spanish center of government suffered an outbreak on March and I didn't even consider it relevant to be nominated here. While government functions are maintained, it becomes anecdotal, sad, but anecdotal.Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You mean when the deputy leader of the third largest party tested positive? Wow, indeed I would not have nominated that either. Spot the difference. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:E4C9:4335:D6E3:43CF (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Get informed or read better. I didn't said Parliament, I said center of government, where some of Moncloa palace workers got infected, even one died. Also, two minister of the Spanish government and the First Vicepresident tested positive, including several members of the technical committee (one of them was the "Spanish Fauci") and the world didn't stop turning. The world is not America. Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, Vanamonde has said it all. Notable for the US, but just interesting for non-American people. Not even members of the government other than president Trump are infected, so the impact on the executive branch is little (if the president's health doesn't deteriorate). Other countries have suffered a situtation like this. Senators? Wow, so many others in the world have been tested postitive or have died. Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This has been, quite literally, in the news - the top story on most English-language sources and many non-English ones, not just those in America, for over 24 hours. It is noteworthy, the article is decent, and should be posted. As someone else pointed out, if our standards allow a post about the Stanley Cup winner, they should allow a post about this. Ganesha811 (talk) 17:40, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ganesha8 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There's not enough happening yet to post; the potential for something big to happen is why news sources are covering it. At least there's an article now. I'm also not sure who the "seven top officials" are supposed to be -- we have a president and 3 senators, beyond that there's advisors like former governor Chris Christie and party apparatchiks like Ronna Romney McDaniel. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ambivalent. It is likely that further cases will be reported in the coming days, and there may be broader repercussions - delaying the Supreme Court confirmation hearings, cancelling presidential debates, and the like. There is also a line of questioning in the media about whether the timeline indicates that Trump knew he had the disease before attending certain events, which would expand the scope substantially beyond the Rose Garden event. However, I would wait until any or all of these repercussions manifest in some tangible way. BD2412 T 18:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for a range of reasons. A lack of significance, particularly the diagnoses of anyone other than Mr and Mrs Trump. ITN is not The Top 25. Any speculation about future effects is just that - speculation. If Trump dies - then by all means, blurb an article, but at the moment he's just one of millions of people who have caught the disease. Chrisclear (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. If it leads to a far more important story, then it will be that story that we post. Black Kite (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As all reliable sources point out, Trump was not infected a few days ago, because his illness right now is only seen in people who caught the virus more than about one week ago and whose illness takes a turn for the worse after one week. CNN now reports that Trump got supplemental oxygen on Friday. Trump's condition was kept a secret until after the closure of the Dow Jones and even then downplayed. Trump's condition effectively ends his bid to get reelected. Count Iblis (talk) 18:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose many other countries had outbreaks in their governments. T Magierowski (talk) 18:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Abyssal (talk) 18:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support + comment It's all that's on the news right now so it makes sense that it's added. The blurb should also mention that Trump has been hospitalized, though. Alex of Canada (talk) 19:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No COVID blurbs unless/until it's over especially given the other peoples' opposes. Ultimately a political concern in the US, would support iff (God forbid) Trump or someone similarly high-ranking dies. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Other prominent political figures along with their top officials caught it earlier this year but we didn't post blurbs. I see no reason why this should be an exception.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Some of the executive branch now has covid; that's not a big deal in the scheme of things. If Trump and Pence both get this bad then I would support.  Nixinova   T   C   19:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Having a executive members alongside Trump that tested positive is unexcepted for me because how good condition of presidential ally is, making it IMO notable to posted to ITN. 180.241.205.155 (talk) 19:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. --PJ Geest (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - people don't take Covid19 seriously, catch Covid19. Not a story. Something very serious happening to the President or Vice-President, that would be a story. Mjroots (talk) 20:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak support I see the argument that we should hesitate to post any COVID-19 related blurbs for as long COVID-19 has its own section of the ITN template, but this now extends far beyond Trump himself and is widely reported international news. I don't intend to be Americentric here, I'm actually a little surprised that we didn't post when any individual world leaders were diagnosed with COVID-19, but I think those stories would have been much more notable had it been the case that numerous top officials in the British or Brazilian governments all tested positive at the same time.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 2

October 2, 2020 (2020-10-02) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Bob Gibson

Article: Bob Gibson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: HOF pitcher, high quality article. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander De Croo

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Article: Alexander De Croo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander De Croo becomes Prime Minister of Belgium after almost two years without a formal government (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alexander De Croo becomes the first elective Prime Minister of Belgium since December 2018.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Alexander De Croo becomes the first Prime Minister of Belgium after nearly two years caretaker governments.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Alexander De Croo becomes the Prime Minister of Belgium after a 16-month deadlock since the elections last year.
News source(s): The Guardian, The New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: It maybe isn't a world record but after almost two years without a formal government and within those years there were 16 months deadlock. I think it is notable, it got in the news worldwide and I've since then expanded and added citations where needed to have it in ITN. The Government did inaugurate at the 1st so I'm a little bit late to nominate but now I'm sure the media around the world grabbed its attention. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 23:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So Belgium has the king still in charge? I didn't know that, since I thought most countries (except Thailand of course) gave up monarchs and monarchs were only figureheads. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 02:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even figurehead monarchs, like Queen Elizabeth, are still head of state, just as figurehead presidents are (the President of Israel). 331dot (talk) 02:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine Nancy Pelosi becoming the head of state. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 02:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gex4pls The PM is not head of state. 331dot (talk) 02:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know they aren't technically the head of state, but you know what I mean. Gex4pls (talk) 02:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you mean, everyone with an ounce of common sense knows what you mean, yet here we are --LaserLegs (talk) 12:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with you. I recognise my poor English but I've added it to WP:GOCE and I've asked an editor who has more experiences in expanding articles in great quality so let's wait for a little bit before he copy-edit it. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know your feeling; it's because he is the new PM after having nearly two years without a formal government that's why I believe it should be included. Also why does it really need work before we can post it? Is it because of the grammar quality? If so per my comment above, there will be someone who will copy-edit it until its grammar reaches a better quality. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, let's say it kinda is about him because he is the new PM after those years. But I know what you mean. There is an article called "2019–20 Belgian government formation" but it needs a lot of cite work and it doesn't mention the Brussel and both Walloon Government and the French Comunity Government (I still wonder why we have so many governments in one small country). Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Asda sale

Article: Asda (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Walmart sells UK-based supermarket chain Asda for £6.8 billion to a group of British-based investors (Post)
News source(s): https://www.livemint.com/news/world/walmart-sells-uk-supermarket-asda-for-8-7-bn-11601637899018.html
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Major supermarket chain in the UK changes ownership. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

Article: 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This article may be kicked out of ITN soon, and is still clearly going on with the countries at war. Albertaont (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lou Johnson

Article: Lou Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SI
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He died on September 30, but the death was announced today. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Donald Trump tests positive for COVID-19

Consensus will not develop to post unless something significant happens. Stephen 06:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President of the United States Donald Trump tests positive for COVID-19 (Post)
News source(s): [5]
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: We rejected this when Boris Johnson tested positive [6], let's see if ITN has a different view of Donald Trump testing positive. This nomination is ~15 minutes after Trump posted that tweet, so no news sources have covered this yet. It's going to be all over the news soon, however. One of the "purposes of ITN" is "To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource"; another is "To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events". How important are these two purposes to ITN? Banedon (talk) 05:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stephen's right, there's no way that flood of opposes is going to be overcome unless something happens like him becoming ill enough to have to hand over to Pence. The announcement by itself is never going to get consensus to post.-- P-K3 (talk) 12:35, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course there is a way, and it wasn't a flood. Those opposes were based on personal opinions and they happened before substantive coverage from the media around the world came in. If people actually bother to take a look at what the news sources say around this story and its impact, they might change their minds. Nsk92 (talk) 12:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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October 1

October 1, 2020 (2020-10-01) (Thursday)
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  • The Tokyo Stock Exchange halts all trading for the day after it suffered one of the worst technical glitches in its history. It is undecided if it will reopen on Friday. The Nikkei 225 and TOPIX were also impacted, as they rely on the same system. (DW)
  • The Supreme Court of Ireland rules that the bread used by American restaurant franchise Subway cannot be classified as bread, due to its high sugar content. The franchise henceforth will be required to pay a 13.5% value-added tax for their bread instead of being exempted as before. (BBC News)

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RD: Zef Eisenberg

Article: Zef Eisenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 17:49, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 30

September 30, 2020 (2020-09-30) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Pia Juul

Article: Pia Juul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dagens Nyheter, Svenska Dagbladet
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Danish poet. Article not ready (very short, bibliography completely unreferenced). Might be possible to fix by expanding from the Danish article. TompaDompa (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, the bibliography has now been sourced. I also noticed that the German article looks to be even better than the Danish one, so we could try to use that one for expanding the article. TompaDompa (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportOppose on quality. Well done TompaDompa. Good to go now. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportOppose A translation of the German page will result in a basic page, however Pia Juul has very little relevance outside of Denmark. I checked the national libraries in Auth Ctrl, and there is one English translation, one Dutch translation, and two German translations. That cannot be considered an international break-through. KittenKlub (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KittenKlub: Just FYI, RD bios don't need to be notable only the article needs to be up to the mark for main page linking. Gotitbro (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: In that case, I'd recommend translating the German version.KittenKlub (talk) 17:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which itself is only 220 words. – Sca (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Emyr Humphreys

Article: Emyr Humphreys (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Quino

Article: Quino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, La Repubblica, El País
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Argentine cartoonist, father of Mafalda. Article needs work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Support - On relevance. Oppose for now per article quality. Ping me when completed. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 29

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RD: Mac Davis

Article: Mac Davis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard CNN LA Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned country music writer, composer, "country star", singer. Elvis and Dolly Parton used his work a lot. I will address the citations needed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

Over 440 thousand views here. Oh well. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], people are finding the article without it being on the template, that's a good thing. If the article's quality was better, it could get posted still. Page views are not a metric considered here. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Timothy Ray Brown

Article: Timothy Ray Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First person to be cured of HIV/AIDS, the so-called "Berlin patient". Died September 29 according to the Los Angeles Blade. TompaDompa (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs attention - 7 cites to fix) RD: Helen Reddy

Article: Helen Reddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article seems well sourced and subject seems significant. The Image Editor (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It just wasn't ready yet. – Sca (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Admins posting RDs are supposed to check if an article is actually ready before posting it. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My ineptitude has already been acknowledged. I'm surprised it took you this long to figure that out. Everyone else here already knew how terrible I am. --Jayron32 11:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron32, Hey! It is not such a big mistake. The article visually looked clean! It is alright. Such things happen. Ktin (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So is Reddy ready? – Sca (talk) 21:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready? Every citation needed tag has now been addressed except for one on a list of her "notable stage roles". I seek advice on how to tackle that. Otherwise, this is now well sourced. HiLo48 (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @HiLo48: Eeek, thanks for the good work there. I've managed to source all the stage entries in that list you mention (while removing a couple of references to specific theatres, which I couldn't locate cites for). However... unfortunately there were a few other statements further up that lacked cites and hadn't been tagged yet, so those will need fixing too unfortunately. Also, the Filmography section needs referencing. I will try to muck in on some of this a bit later on today if I can, but hopefully we can get this one over the line!  — Amakuru (talk) 08:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment The filmography is now fully cited. Ackatsis (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Hurry up and post this before it gets stale. 1779Days (talk) 03:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - In numbers too big to ignore. CoatCheck (talk) 04:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing removal: 2020 Belarusian protests

Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: About one prose update every two days. Probably not enough for Ongoing. Protests seemed to have scaled down, now it's only people marching around and being noisy. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • We did not post Lukashenko getting sworn in, an event that caused much controversy in Europe. So we should probably remove this since there are only people marching and holding signs. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Only people marching and holding signs"...unbelievable. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal. Article is still receiving substantive updates. Most recent significant protest on 27 September was widely reported and is covered in the article. There are also smaller updates being made. --Jayron32 13:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This story is already stale and the article's quality is regressing as time goes by. This might regain significance if 1) Lukashenko resigns, which is hardly going to happen and 2) the international community recognises Tikhanovskaya as a new president in a Venezuelan style, which is also unlikely to happen (I deliberately avoid outright negation because of WP:CRYSTALBALL). All in all, we may keep this story on the main page forever but that's not what it is in reality.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Comment Neither opposed or supporting removal, but I think how we're judging ongoing entries (via updates) particularly in large articles with segmented parts like this is directly tied to how poorly we write with PROSELINE and the "hyperreporting" (in terms that people are writing about daily events and not, as we should be, talking the encyclopedic picture, though a timeline article is not inappropriate). I'm not saying here this meets the removal or retention goals, but I can see why its a question, because if we were writing this more encyclopedically, the small updates would be trivial on this event (even though it was still "ongoing"). --Masem (t) 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The new sanctions were literally the lead story internationally today. However, I agree with Masem that we need to re-evaluate our ongoing criteria to allow stories like this to remain in the template without POINTy opposition from LaserLegs and others over not enough proseline, which is a bad standard for an encyclopedia article. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Are you talking about the one-sentence flawed grammar update with the POV term "regime"? Lead story all day and it one one poor quality bullet point. I'm just following the guidelines which I even proposed to change but no one was interested. If you have a problem with that take it to WP:ANI because if there is one thing I'm certain of it's that I don't need to be personally attacked by someone who hasn't even bothered to evaluate the article we're featuring on the main page instead of the story. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn’t mean that as a personal attack, more of an attack on the guideline and overzealous applications of it. But saying that you’re “just following the guidelines” when you agree that they are sometimes

problematic is unambiguous WP:POINT. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mistook Masem's point. The issue here is people want ongoing items to stay posted forever, so they make negligible updates documenting the "events of the day" in order to meet the ongoing criteria. These events are too minor to be listed in a proper encyclopedia article. So in trying to manipulate the ITN process, we are subverting it's intent - to write and promote good articles. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the point if not the intention. Editors shouldn’t have to add micro-updates to keep an article in ongoing. If the topic is still getting major international coverage, as this one is (see recent stories on sanctions), it should be kept regardless. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 15:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"it should be kept regardless" that is the exact opposite of what the guidelines for ongoing stipulate and "Keep" !votes based on that logic should be ignored (they won't be, consensus around here is a vote count). Change the criteria if that's what you want, right now your argument has no basis in the existing guidelines. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal. I would like to remind everyone of the guidelines for ongoing events at WP:ITN. "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information." So, while it is in the news, it should be removed if it is not being updated. -- Calidum 23:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close this is the 3rd time that the ongoing has been nominated for removal. Although I agree with the removal, there is a strong consensus to keep this. Suggest a WP:SNOW close. Dan the Animator 00:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Destroyeraa The first nom was closed with a consensus for keeping and the last nom you closed. The last nom was less than 2 weeks ago. I don't think the consensus has changed that much since then to justify reposting this this soon. Maybe wait a few more weeks? Dan the Animator 20:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"If the EU declares war"… Ridiculously uninformed/misleading comment. EU cannot declare war. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Death of Emir Kuwait Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah

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Article: Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Emir of Kuwait Sheikh Sabah al-Sabah dies aged 91. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah becomes the Emir of Kuwait after the death of his half-brother, Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, at the age of 91.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54340988
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The death of head of state --Tensa Februari (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should we not combine this with the fact that his brother has/will succeed him? That's ITNR. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Minor influence? He has been one of the most important diplomats in Arabia, especially during his reign for his role as a mediator during disputes between neighboring countries. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MS Estonia

Article: MS Estonia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Discovery of a large hole in the hull of MS Estonia, which sank in 1994, killing 852 people aboard, causes international scandal after suspicions return that it sank after collision with a Swedish submarine. (Post)
News source(s): [9] [10] [11]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Has been THE biggest topic of discussion here in Estonia, but also in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries. Basically it was a popular conspiracy theory that the ship colluded with a military vessel before sinking and now we have major proof that the official story that it sank because its visor broke down is not true. This prompted responces from Estonia's PM, foreign ministers of all Scandinavian countries, an so on... They also decided to restart the official investigation --CoronaOneLove (talk) 11:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting adverb. Did you coin that one yrself? – Sca (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 28

September 28, 2020 (2020-09-28) (Monday)
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(Posted) Stanley Cup

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Article: 2020 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Tampa Bay Lightning defeat the Dallas Stars to win the Stanley Cup (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Victor Hedman pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Tampa Bay Lightning defeat the Dallas Stars to win the Stanley Cup (MVP awardee Victor Hedman pictured).
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Trump Tax Returns

SNOW consensus closure. --Masem (t) 05:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tax returns of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President Donald Trump's tax returns show he only paid $750 in taxes in 2016 and 2017 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President Trump's tax returns are released by the New York Times
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
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Nominator's comments: This seems like the end to a long battle that has had heavy news coverage. Sixula (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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September 27

September 27, 2020 (2020-09-27) (Sunday)
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(Posted) RD: John Waddy

Article: John Waddy (British Army officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Somerset Gazette
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 100 year old former British SAS officer and military advisor to the film A Bridge Too Far – marked as good article JW 1961 Talk 11:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think this article looks ready to go. KittenKlub (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mahbubey Alam

Article: Mahbubey Alam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.newagebd.net/article/117436
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Attorney General of Bangladesh, covid DannyS712 (talk) 21:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Clement

Article: Wolfgang Clement (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German Politician. Former Minister President of North-Rhine Westphalia. Article requires some major work. a) References across the board b) content streamlining c) copy-edits. Might have to enlist support from others here to get this article in a ready state for homepage. All three categories of edits are done! The article has shaped out pretty well! Meets all hygiene elements for the homepage. Solid B-class article Ktin (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KittenKlub, Agree. I went in and did some content streamlining / copy-editing on the front end of the article in the meantime. Ktin (talk) 20:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

::Gerda Arendt, still working on rewriting the content. We will be done soon. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

bedtime for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nagorno-Karabakh clashes

Article: September 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijani and Armenian armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh, prompting the introduction of martial law in Armenia and Azerbaijan and total mobilization in Armenia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Armenia and Artsakh declare martial law and begin general mobilization as Azerbaijani and Artsakh armed forces clash in Nagorno-Karabakh.
News source(s): BBC, US News, AP, dpa, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Another serious escalation of the decades-long Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and, apparently, one of the heaviest. Brandmeistertalk 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does that mean? I also went to cascade last night and got my booze. No cops around. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's not going to be a war (yes overnight and this morning continued). Turkey is not going to go against the Russians and Iran too.37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment Azeri parliament is discussing introduction of martial law as well right now. The ruling party (and de-facto the only real party) is in favour 212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    comment Yep, they just declared martial law as well. Someone should amend the blurb212.74.201.241 (talk) 13:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Would support, major escalation. Though the article needs copyediting/updates for the lay reader not familiar with the conflict, for e.g., the lead says "Both sides reported military and civilian casualties" but lists the three Armenia, Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh in the lead sentence. The alt-blurb is definitely a no-go, none of the sources refer to Artsakh and the primary conflict is between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Gotitbro (talk) 16:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It literally is Artsakh. Armenia was not attacked stepenakart and the area around is administrativelu a part of Artsakh, which is its own jurisdiction from Yerevan run Armenia. 37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's total mobilization. I know many, many men due to report in the coming days (not including volunteers).37.186.97.171 (talk) 10:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well good then that this was not included in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jaswant Singh

Article: Jaswant Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Article will require some work, including multiple citations (across sections) and copy edits.'Positions held' segment might be challenging to source. But, overall - definitely worth putting in the effort to get the article ready. All referencing done. Round of copy edits done. Article meets hygiene checks for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated the 'positions held' segment and the books segment with citations. Might have to look at the other segments as well. Done. Article is now referenced through out and a round of copy edits done too. If folks want any other edit done, I can have this covered in the morning. Calling it a night. I think the article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 07:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Susan Ryan

Article: Susan Ryan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, The Australian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian senator. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

September 26, 2020 (2020-09-26) (Saturday)
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(Posted) RD: Isher Judge Ahluwalia

Article: Isher Judge Ahluwalia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Livemint
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Indian Economist. Padmashri Awardee. Start-class article. I will spend time tonight expanding the article. Edits done. Solid C-class article. Looks clean and passes all hygiene checks (including references) to go to the homepage / RD. Happy to include any additional edits. Ktin (talk) 23:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now on quality, entire unreferenced section. Can reassess later. -- a lad insane (channel two) 23:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    A lad insane, Apologies -- you caught me as I was in the middle of my edits. Fully referenced now. Continuing to work on expanding the article. Edits done. Ktin (talk) 00:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As noted above. Edits have been done. Clean article, meets all hygiene checks (including references) to go to homepage / RD. I came across a story when trying to expand this article that I thought I should share here. Dr Ahluwalia's husband Montek Singh Ahluwalia is also an economist (and was the Deputy chairperson of India's planning commission. Arguably amongst the top 2-3 finance portfolio functions in the Indian cabinet). A journalist calling home:“Can I speak to Dr Ahluwalia?”; IJA:“Speaking”; Journalist (puzzled): “Can I speak to the other Dr Ahluwalia?”. IJA:“There is only one Dr Ahluwalia in this house”, and put down the phone down. [6] Here's to Dr IJA, and to everyone who break these glass ceilings! Ktin (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. I think the article meets homepage / RD requirements and can go there in this state.
  • Support, but suggest toning down the "she was a published author" part. It's not unusual for academics to write books after all. I don't think you can really expect an admin to post an article with just one supporting vote from the nom! —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Brigade Piron, Agree, and done! Edited.
    Apologies -- my messages were not aimed at the Admins. I was looking for more editors such as yourself to chime in on the homepage readiness. Agree w/ your statement entirely. Ktin (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Spencer, Stephen, Amakuru, Black Kite, and MSGJ: - Pardon the intrusion. This is ready to be posted on the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax [http://example.com] rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process.

For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents:

  1. ^ "Belarus detains 500 people at anti-government protests". New York Post.
  2. ^ "UK imposes sanctions on Belarus president Alexander Lukashenko". The Gaurdian.
  3. ^ "Britain and Canada impose sanctions on Belarus leader Lukashenko". Reuters.
  4. ^ "Belarus: Tens of thousands protest in 'people's inauguration'". Al Jazeera.
  5. ^ "100,000 march in Belarus capital on 50th day of protests". Associated Press.
  6. ^ Sitapati, Vinay. "How Isher Judge Ahluwalia broke into the male-dominated, Anglicised world of economists". Scroll.in. Retrieved 2020-09-27.
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