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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Cooks Source infringement controversy

• ... that the Cooks Source infringement controversy "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age"?

Created/expanded by Hagcel (talk), Jokestress (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 00:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The source says it "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age" (my emphasis), not that it is such an example. I know it's a small distinction, but I think it's important, especially for a claim that would go on the Main Page. cmadler (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with cmadler. Just like the omission of a single word from the Wicked Bible created a new and unintended commandment, stripping the word "may" from the cited source has significantly changed the sourced facts. --Allen3 ^talk 13:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Updated fact and article per request. Jokestress (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's not exactly the best hook in the world. It's one person's opinion about what may come to pass, and provides no basis for the conclusion. That's not really a fact, per se. Do you have an actual fact that you can use as a hook? Uncle G (talk) 01:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Judith Griggs, who played a big role in the Cooks Source infringement controversy, was formerly a town planner and a conservation agent? --Secret Saturdays (talk to me)^{what's new?} 02:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Better. It's factual. But it doesn't seem right for the main page of Wikipedia to be joining in the sport of putting M. Griggs' name everywhere. We're supposed to be better than that. Do you have something dealing with the WWW sites or the Facebook accounts? Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I have one other suggestions: ALT2 ... that during the Cooks Source infringement controversy, there was a campaign that began to reward advertisers who had pulled their ads from the magazine? Secret Saturdays (talk to me)^{what's new?} 06:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • ALT 1 is interesting, because Griggs' behavior/attitude in the recent incident parallels her style of interaction that led to termination of the earlier positions. ALT 2 can be sourced to 2nd Street Bakery, but the real notability here is Griggs' response to Gaudio, which led to what may be the first non-anonymous Facebook-based crowdsourced investigation and internet vigilantism (see text). Most previous incidents against people like Griggs involved hiding behind anonymity. Griggs was so wrong, and her response was so passive-aggressive and disrespectful (see text), that she really did set a new standard for "how not to respond to grievances in the internet age," per source in article. Jokestress (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Åland Museum, Åland Maritime Museum

• ... that in Mariehamn, the Åland Museum contains a boat made of seal skin dated to the Stone Age whilst Åland Maritime Museum contains a ship named the Pommern (pictured)?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 11:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I like the first half of the hook for Åland Museum, but the second half for Åland Maritime Museum is somewhat of a letdown -- having a ship from 1903 is not that special. How about some mention of the old ship winning the Great Grain Races twice, before becoming a museum ship, etc.? --PFHLai (talk) 17:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

If you do not like the hook, please change it youself. I really haven't got time for faffing about with hooks. 1903 was not supposed to be special, the fact that the musuem has a full-sized ship is of note.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd split up the hook into two:

• (alt.hook1)... that a boat made of seal skin dated to the Stone Age, as well as the world's oldest beer bottles, can be found in the Åland Museum in Mariehamn, Åland?

• (alt.hook2)... that Åland Maritime Museum in Mariehamn, Åland, features the museum ship Pommern (pictured), which used to be one of the fastest windjammers in the grain trade in the 1930s?

--PFHLai (talk) 11:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Both hooks are fine. Thanks, PFHLai. I could not find the suitable text pages to your first suggestion for changing the second part of the hook, based on the reference of the book by William Stark referred in Great Grain Races.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 13:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Confederazione dei Sindacati Unici Classisti del Territorio libero di Trieste

• ... that it took the Titoist trade unionists in the Free Territory of Trieste over two years to form their own confederation, after the Soviet-Yugoslav split of 1948?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• If you disregard the various translations in the article, there are less than 1,500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 04:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Since when are translations not counted as part of the prose? It is not mentioned neither in WP:DYK nor Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Additional_article_length_rules. --Soman (talk) 05:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• The rules state: "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." - PM800 (talk) 05:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• On the other hand, this is probably the sole Titoist union in the world ever to exist outside of Yugoslavia (which, if it could be sourced, would have made a great DYK hook) and thus a quite unique political phenomenon. --Soman (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The article is not long enough, in my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree that it's too short. SmartSE (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5

Michael Willian Costa/Lincon de Sa

• ... that Michael Willian Costa is a mixed martial arts fighter who competes in the strawweight (115 lb) division?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Everything checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 21:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Unless this guy has a hard time finding opponents in his weight class, this is a boring hook. --PFHLai (talk) 09:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

He does, considering he is 115lbs. I would've thought that the idea of someone competing at that weight would be curious. The below is nonsense. Paralympiakos (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. With over 20 DYKs (including 15 in September), the nom needs to raise his game in the new environment. Johnbod (talk) 09:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The fight record in the article suggests that this guy has been competing regularly in Shooto. How about a hook about him competing for an inaugural Shooto title next month? I'd suggest making it a double hook with a bio for his scheduled opponent. Please do it quickly before this article gets too old for DYK. --PFHLai (talk) 11:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC) Never mind about the double hook if the other guy is not Wiki-worthy. I'm just trying to avoid incoming boring hooks. Good hooky materials are hard to come by. --PFHLai (talk) 12:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC) But I do suggest a different hook. The current hook will more likely get readers to click on strawweight than the DYK article. --PFHLai (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

But let's say I do an article for Lincon de Sa (his upcoming opponent), how is that hook any different to the one at the very top by myself? Paralympiakos (talk) 23:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Even without de Sa, IMO, the hook about an inaugural Shooto title next month carries some uniqueness. If de Sa gets in the same hook, you don't need to think about a new hook for de Sa's article, which I assume you would be writing up and nominating for DYK. If you are indeed making a double-hook nomination, then we would be only reviewing one hook instead of two.

Now back to the original hook, sorry, it's just too straightforward, like saying a 6-year-old is supposed to attend Grade 1, or someone who grew up in France is supposed to speak some French. A smaller-sized person is supposed to fight in a lighter-weighted class. So? What's so special? Now if this is the guy who started the weight class, or a long-time champ in the weight class, or if he is actually 90-lb and fighting much larger opponents, then you've got something interesting to make a hook, methinks. Right now, all you're saying is that he is a small guy amongst fighters, and that's it. --PFHLai (talk) 06:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, personally I'd say I'm closer to saying "Look, here's this guy that fights at a freakish weight class that barely anyone has heard of. Take a look" Paralympiakos (talk) 15:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that Michael Willian Costa and Lincon de Sa will face off for the inaugural Shooto South American 115lb Championship?

Is this better then? Paralympiakos (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeap. Thank you. I wouldn't say "will", as this would be crystalballing. It's not as much as a sure thing as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.... How about:

ALT 2 ... that strawweight mixed martial arts fighters Michael Willian Costa and Lincon de Sa are scheduled to face off for the inaugural Shooto South American Championship held in Brazil next month?

Not sure if mentioning "for their weight class" near the end of the hook would be redundant. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 01:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

It is relevant, because there are more than one Shooto blah blah titles. There's one for each weight class, with strawweight being the new one. Paralympiakos (talk) 11:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Both articles state "mostly notably for Shooto." which doesn't make sense. I'm afraid I can't correct it myself since I don't know what it is trying to say. Other than that, I think they're good to go. SmartSE (talk) 11:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Newhouse Research Site

• ... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) is currently the largest private drug discovery centre in Scotland?

• ALT1:... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) was responsible for the identification of rocuronium and selective relaxant binding agent?

Created by Rb401 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Will need a lot of work to bring it up to DYK standards. I've checked the references and very little of what is in the lead, is actually covered in the references provided and there are other sentences that are also not backed up by references. SmartSE (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Kanimozhi (film)

• ... that the forthcoming Tamil film Kanimozhi starring Jai and Shazahn Padamsee, was named after politician M. K. Kanimozhi and had its soundtrack released by her father, M. Karunanidhi?

5x expanded by Universal Hero (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Where is the plot summary? --PFHLai (talk) 09:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• "released by her father" seems misleading. The article says he was in attendance at the release of the audio as a guest. What exactly happened at the release? --PFHLai (talk) 10:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• the film is yet to release - so there's no plot as of yet. Hmmm, you're probably right - "released" seems a term generic to Indian film launches. I've reworded a bit - basically, he received the first copy - which is often implied as "releasing the audio - as he was the main guest of honour". Universal Hero (talk) 16:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, we can't have an article about the movie and not say what the movie is about, can we? --PFHLai (talk) 06:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Li Gang incident

• ... that my dad is Li Gang! was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer, convinced he would avoid facing criminal consequences?

Created by Comte0 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps clarify a bit with "...was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer after hitting and killing a pedestrian whilst drunk, convinced..." - readers might want to know why he was yelling. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's good: the link on criminal refers to the hitting and killing, and the second part of the hook is the reason why he yelled. I then feel your version to be somewhat too long. Some words might be added about the driver being drunk, but he is actually charged for criminal negligence. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that a Chinese police officer's son, convinced that he would avoid facing criminal consequences after hitting a pedestrian, yelled "My dad is Li Gang!"? - PM800 (talk) 08:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Support this alt. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Why not. I added the missing question mark ;) Comte0 (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This article seems to contain some close paraphrasing or borderline plagiarism. For example:

• Source: "the other, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and is in stable condition"

Article: "The other, Zhang Jingjing, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and was left in stable condition"

• Source: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on Oct. 21. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on Oct. 22."

Article: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on 21 October. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on 22 October"

• Source: "The director asked lawyer Zhang Kai to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

Article: "On November 1, Zhang Kai . . . was asked to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

• These (and possibly others) must be rewritten in your own words before the article can appear on DYK. Intelligentsium 00:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can do that tonight. However, I'm french, and I think that what you've pointed out clearly falls outside of the copyright laws. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 07:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Regardless of copyright laws, the DYK rules don't really allow it, and I recall seeing something similar on a WP policy page somewhere. Also, the Wikipedia servers are located in Florida, and not France; hence French laws don't apply to Wikipedia. I could paraphrase them if you like. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Paraphrasing done. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you! Comte0 (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6

Arlanda Line, Arlanda Express, Arlanda North Station, Arlanda Central Station, Arlanda South Station

• ... that the Arlanda Line and the three stations Arlanda North, Arlanda Central and Arlanda South was partially financed by giving the Arlanda Express (pictured) a 40-year monopoly?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• This hook could use some geographical context. Most readers of MainPage won't know that this hook is about the high-speed airport rail link to the largest airport in that country. --PFHLai (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Rygge Station

• ... that Rygge Station (pictured), opened in 1879, became an airport rail link when Moss Airport, Rygge opened in 2008?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The airport page and station page put the date at the airport's opening in two different years with two different months. What is the correct date? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The station article and the body of the airport article where correct, while the lead in the airport article for some reason was wrong. It is fixed now. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• From the looks of the article's history, the 2007 date was right. The opening of the airport and the beginning of scheduled service are two separate things. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Rygge Station (pictured), opened in 1879, became an airport rail link when Moss Airport, Rygge had it's first flight in 2008?

This hook suggestion clarifies the issues that we brought up above as well as add a little more specificness to the hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

William Dennison Clark

• ... that William Dennison Clark (pictured), whose "wretched blunder" in 1905 ended Michigan's 56-game unbeaten streak in football, killed himself 27 years later, reportedly expressing the hope to atone for his error?

Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I dunno about this one; the statement "Some newspaper accounts reported at the time that his letter also expressed hope that his "final play" would atone for his error at Marshall Field" seems a bit... iffy. It feels very wrong to attribute his suicide solely to an athletic error 27 years earlier. DS (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's what was reported by the Journal of Sports History in a historical account: "A suicide note to his wife reportedly hoped that his 'final play' would be of some benefit in atoning for his error at Marshall Field."[1] This was also reported at the time of the suicide in at least a couple major newspapers. If you read the full article, it's clear the error haunted him for the rest of his life. Sure, there were undoubtedly other issues that contributed to the suicide, but the hook accurately recounts what has been reported in historical and contemporaneous accounts. To avoid any misinformation, I've inserted "reportedly" in the hook. Cbl62 (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Crissal Thrasher

• ... that even when the Crissal Thrasher is disturbed by a person or a predator, the bird is likely to run away for cover?

5x expanded by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• add "instead of flying away", otherwise the hook looks stupid. DS (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• the hook is a very close paraphrase of this source [2] (which is cited), I've had a quick go at rewording that sentence in the article but there may be others that need doing and this hook needs to be rewritten. Mikenorton (talk) 05:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Salt industry in Syracuse, New York

• ... that until the end of the 19th century, the bulk of the salt used in the United States came from salt producers in Syracuse, New York?

Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have left a note on the author's usertalkpage to remind him/her to avoid close paraphrasing. If there's no improvements in the article within the next week or so, please disregard this nomination. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope this is good enough improvement in the eyes of those who really want to avoid close paraphrasing. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

List of incidents of grave disorder in the British House of Commons

• ... that grave disorder has broken out 27 times in the House of Commons since 1902, including mass brawls, organised disruption, and things being thrown from the gallery?

Created by User:Sam Blacketer (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Lists need 1500 characters of prose to meet DYK requirements. Would it be possible to manage this? SmartSE (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • You could start by linking it to the rules for the televisation of Parliament in the event of grave disorder. Uncle G (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Allan J. Kuethe

• ... that Allan J. Kuethe, an historian of Latin American studies, worked to establish the Texas Tech University Center in Seville, Spain?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This current version of the article looks like it includes the biographies of two different people. That can't be good. - PM800 (talk) 11:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Material has been rearranged. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, I guess so; however, that long paragraph on his wife is still there, and that's just cheating. Minus that, there are 1,744 characters of prose. But that's not all. You also included irrelevant clauses like "an honor named for the first president of Texas Tech" and "an authority on the history of Texas"; these are describing other people, not Kuethe. "With his doctorate in hand" and "published by the American Council of Learned Societies" are also superfluous. You spelled out his children's names even though they all have the same last name. I just think you're trying too hard. - PM800 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hinomoto Oniko

• ... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur against Japanese created by 2channel users, themselves being Japanese?

Created by Dayfish (talk). 5x expanded by Benlisquare (talk). Nominated by Benlisquare (talk) at 15:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: "... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur created by 2channel users?" - use this one if it seems less confusing to the reader. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• if still quite vague, then perhaps add "(transforming it into/creating) a lovable character in an attempt to reverse negative connotations behind the slur?" to the end, or something to that effect. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also a brief comment that I may not be able to participate in discussions in the next few days due to examinations; I'll try my best though. Others are certainly welcome to make decisions if I am unable to. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Nasrani Hagbah

• ... that the Nasrani Hagbah of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani people in Kerala South India consists of the unveiling of red curtain separating the holy of holies in the tradition of the ancient temple of Jerusalem?

Created by Robin klein (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multiple issues. Hook contains multiple facts that are not in the article (article makes no mention of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani being from India and also makes no reference to the Temple in Jerusalem). There are also multiple unsourced sections that need to be properly referenced. --Allen3 ^talk 13:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the response. I have tried to address the issues raised. Hope the changes address the requirements. Robin klein (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Stark's Knob

• ... that although it is thought that Stark's Knob originated in the Connecticut River Valley, it lies next to the Hudson River, over sixty miles away?

5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the upthrust of Stark's Knob has been studied using snails in pillows? Le Deluge (talk) 11:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've been looking into the sources cited in the article and also scientific papers about this site, and I'm not convinced that the first hook is exactly true. Additionally, the article doesn't mention the 60 mile distance from the Connecticut River Valley. As for ALT1, I scrossed out the upthrust part because Stark's Knob is not an upthrust; the rest of the hook is sort of supported by sources (if you consider gastropod fossils to be "snails" and pillow lava to be "pillows") but I think it's excessively cute and deceptive. I think there's an interesting and non-deceptive hook to be extracted from this article, but I don't yet know what it is going to be. --Orlady (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you that the second one sounds weird because it sounds like something that would be appropriate on an April Fools Day run. If nothing else appears boosting my statement anytime soon, I can whip up another hook. I will though ax the mile thing as it is a bit of unintentional original research on my part. Kevin Rutherford (talk)

:Lay is transitive: that means it requires an object. Corrected to lies--Wetman (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)`

• An upthrust is not a structure, it's a process, in this case the process that has moved these rocks from below sea level to high on land, so I've removed the strikeout. And individual structures within a marine lava are called "pillows", there's no "consider" about it. Just IMO Orlady, I think you need to relax a bit on the hooks - these are the equivalent of newspaper headlines to pique people's interest and get them to click through and read a shiny new article on a subject they would normally not look at. A "dry" hook like the original might showcase the article to 2000 people, something more eyecatching might get 10,000 or 20,000. I think Ktr101's hard work deserves to be showcased to as many people as possible, and that means using common names like "snails" in the hook, if people care about the detail as much as you do, the article will clarify that the term is referring to Ordovician fossils. However I note that the reference talks about snails rather than gastropods, Orlady you really shouldn't make things up that aren't in the references.... <g> Ktr101 - quirky hooks aren't just for April Fools, WP:DYK/A J7 positively encourages a quirky in every DYK run but now you mention it, ALT1 might well be suitable for the kudos of a April Fool DYK. This is a good thing. Le Deluge (talk) 10:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You will note that I said that I have been reading scientific publications about Stark's knob, with the intent of adding additional sources to the article. The "geology" fact sheet that is cited in the article appears to have been written by someone (probably a professional PR person) who didn't fully understand the topic; I say that because it doesn't make sense from a technical perspective. As for "upthrust," you will not find the term "upthrust" in the Wikipedia articles thrust fault and thrust tectonics because it's not a valid term, nor a technically correct description of the nature of thrust faulting. The sense of movement in thrust faulting is primarily lateral, not upward. --Orlady (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC) As for relaxing my standards on hooks, please note that I have been reviewing hooks here (on-again, off-again) for nearly 3 years, and I happen to believe that it is important to try to maintain quality here. You might note that DYK has been under attack recently due to the perception that reviewers have not been maintaining standards. --Orlady (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I said "relax", as opposed to "relax your standards" - there's a difference... You may have been reading around the subject, but you would be the first to complain about stuff in a hook that wasn't mentioned and reffed in an article. I think you've just made the point that "snail" is the WP:COMMONNAME for "shelly gastropod", and it's certainly a common shorthand used by the pros (eg Niles Eldredge of a Silurian species), and hooks should use common language where possible. Since you regard presence in Wikimedia projects as some kind of benchmark, I would draw your attention to wikt:upthrust; alternatively the geological sense is the only meaning of the word in my OED, first recorded in 1846. It's more of a field geology term than something to be used when talking about regional processes, it's certainly in common use in the field, because vertical movement of something that was below sea level is much more evident than a lateral movement that is potentially much greater in size. Given that we're talking about the history of a specific rock in the field, "upthrust" seems appropriate in this context.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Upthrust could be linked to thrust tectonics and snail should probably be linked to gastropod and pillow needs to be linked to pillow lava, I think. However, the snails are only used for dating the rocks, it's the shape of the pillows that has been used to understand the geometry of the upthrust block. If you want to keep the snails, how about

:*ALT2 ... that the history of the upthrust Stark's Knob has been studied using pillows and the snails found inside them? Mikenorton (talk) 11:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The study of the upthrust process includes both its geometry and its timing, and the snails put a fundamental boundary on the latter - it could not have happened in the Cambrian for instance. So there's no need to include "history". To be honest, I think it's a mistake to overlink a hook like ALT1/2 that relies on its ambiguity to pique readers' curiosity. Linking to gastropod won't give much away, but linking to pillow lava and thrust tectonics will reduce the number of clickthroughs to the new article - which is the whole aim of DYK. Too many wikilinks reduce the hookiness of this style of hook.Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You're right Le Deluge, the age of the lavas is a key piece of evidence telling us that this a thrust sheet, I thought about that the moment I woke up this morning, so yes we can lose history. I'm not sure that I agree about linking in the hook, I probably tend to link anything that I think that the average reader won't understand, but I see your point as well. Mikenorton (talk) 00:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Actually Le Deluge, I find that being ambiguous causes more people to go to the article because they try to figure out what the hook is all about, but that is just my opinion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• @Kevin, you're agreeing with me, I'm saying that ambiguity is good for clickthroughs, but wikilinking terms other than the target article can reduce the ambiguity and hence reduce clickthroughs. @Mike - if you're dreaming about DYK hooks, it's probably time to take a wikibreak! <g> The average reader can always use wikilinks within the article even if they're not in the hook.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so now that the debate is over, what hook should be used? One is scientific, and two has good humor and intrigue. Number three just sounds a bit off in my opinion. I'm all for the first two though since one is intriguing while the other is intriguing and funny at the same time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I like the original and ALT1 hooks, but not ALT2. cmadler (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think that ALT1 is fine after discussion and better than the original, so I've struck through my ALT2, which I added to solve a problem that I no longer think exists. Mikenorton (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7

Methoxyflurane

• ... that the Penthrox inhaler is a disposable device that allows self-administration of methoxyflurane as an emergency analgesic?

5x expanded by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've made a couple of small tweaks to the chemical aspects of the article, which is (IMO) an impressive x5 expansion. However, I do have a concern about the hook in that it seems focused on the inhaler rather than the analgesic, and the article says the substance was used in this way until about 1974, so it isn't current (which the hook implies). On a quick look, the article appears suitable (haven't done a proper check, though) but the hook needs some work. PS: Removed "example" image. PPS: Misread, striking current use comment, suggesting ALT1 with a better focus (IMO) on the substance.

(ALT1): ... that methoxyflurane is an emergency analgesic self-administered with a disposable Penthrox inhaler?

EdChem (talk) 10:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful edits, EdChem. I like your (ALT1) hook better, as it does a better job of focusing the reader on the drug (methoxyflurane) than on the inhaler. DiverDave (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I was quite surprised to read that this drug came from the Manhattan Project. I would never associate such a pharmacological agent with nuclear bombs. Would this make the hook more "hooky"? --PFHLai (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

We need more information though. Why was it made as part of the project? How was it found and made? Etc., etc. Can you add this to the article? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't, as I don't know. I want to read about it and I was kind of hoping that the author of the article can enlighten me on this. But if we don't have this in the article, we shouldn't mention it on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 06:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Considering the new materials in the article now, I'm proposing this hook:

• (ALT2): ... that methoxyflurane, an emergency analgesic self-administered with a disposable inhaler, was first synthesized as a by-product of chemistry research on uranium enrichment in the Manhattan Project?

Thanks for the additions, DiverDave! --PFHLai (talk) 00:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I like the ALT2 hook the best. I believe there are enough inline citations to support the hook. Thank you for your interest and your help, PFHLai! DiverDave (talk) 03:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hold – I also like the additional detail on uranium enrichment, but as a chemist I have issues with some of what has been written. The relevant section of the methoxyflurane article points to the gaseous diffusion article which to me confuses effusion, the critical process in enrichment, and diffusion. I'd like a say or two to make some changes (and support them with references, which the gaseous diffusion article lacks) before we put this onto the main page. EdChem (talk) 04:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I am a little confused. Are we saying that I must fix the article on gaseous diffusion in order for the methoxyflurane article to meet the criteria for DYK? I am happy to make whatever changes are necessary, but please be clear as to what you require. DiverDave (talk) 06:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Nope, I am saying that the ALT2 highlights the connection between the article and uranium enrichment, and that part of the article points to an article where the science is inaccurate. I have seen other comment that also confuses diffusion and [effusion]]. As a chemist and an academic, I am aware of what needs adjusting, and I am quite willing to make the changes... I just would prefer that we do not (indirectly) highlight on the main page scientific inaccuracy. I am not acting as a reviewer and asking you, as nominator, to do anything. I am asking, in my capacity as an editor, for a brief hold from the DYK update preparers while I investigate what needs doing. I want to look into not only the gaseous diffusion article, but also whether the articles on UF₆ and enrichment and the like need adjusting. I'm thinking from the perspective of the best interests of the 'pedia, delaying this nomination from its main page appearance briefly, so that scientific accuracy is presented to our readers. EdChem (talk) 06:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Stanford marshmallow experiment

• ... that a study by Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel showed that children who could delay eating a marshmallow for 15 minutes at the age of 4, scored 210 points higher in the SAT test than their peers who could not?

Created by Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook source checked. - PM800 (talk) 01:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• … but even elementary arithmetic reveals a problem with the facts presented in the article. There is more than 14, or even 18, years between "the 1960s" and 1990, the publication date of the paper by Schoda, Mischel, and Peake. The problem here is the poor sourcing. Consult the actual paper, and you'll find that the initial study was in 1972, not "the 1960s" as third-hand pop-psychology sources put it, and that there were in fact two followup studies, one "more than 10 years later" (published in 1988) and a larger one three years after that (published in 1990). And no, the figure 210 occurs nowhere in the actual paper, and that's not really the result of the latter study as published at all (which was in fact a statistical correlation). Uncle G (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I understand that you're trying to help, but do you really have to be that aggressive about it? Your condescending tone was not constructive. I can sympathise that you've been stressed after arguing with Physchim on DYK talk, but please don't transfer that stress on to me, or any of the other nominators. I assumed, with good faith, that the New Yorker article was accurate, since they're generally known for having high editorial standards, and they did directly interview Mischel. I made an honest mistake, but I find your tone, however unintentional, highly inappropriate.--hkr (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Apparently he does have to be that agressive, but where are we with the hook? Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I guess we might have to look into this a little further. - PM800 (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The problem was that I wasn't able to find the study online, so I only had secondary sources (reliable ones!) to go by. Regardless, ALT 2:that a follow-up study by Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel showed that that the ability of a child to delay eating a marshmallow for 15 minutes at the age of 4, correlated with higher SAT test scores years later?--hkr (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I've been provided with the follow-up study, correcting the dates in the article as I speak.--hkr (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The dates have been corrected. The article is ready to go.--hkr (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

As an aside, I found out where the number for the correlation comes from: Jonah Lehrer provided the number in a radio show (8:20), where he was being interviewed alongside Mischel. It's possible that when Lehrer interviewed Mischel (not in the radio show, but earlier on, for a book), Mischel provided an estimate, and Lehrer assumed that was the exact number. The lesson is, even with secondary sources, one should not be so trusting of journalists. ;) --hkr (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hub Hart

• ... that James "Hub" Hart was the best catcher in college baseball at the same time that he was an All-American for football?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• "best" seems PEACOCK-ish to me. --PFHLai (talk) 10:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that James "Hub" Hart started his Major League Baseball career a few months after he was named an All-American for football? - PM800 (talk) 08:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 verified. Gatoclass (talk) 11:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Two-Timing Touch and Broken Bones

• ... that it was suggested for The Hives to rename their 2004 hit to "too dumb, and Dutch and broken bones"?

5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Mad in America

• ... that Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) was a 2002 critique of psychiatry written by American journalist Robert Whitaker?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), SusanLesch (talk), Tijfo098 (talk). Self nom at 13:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that a review of Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) said that the book "looks as if it were commissioned by Scientologists"?

Tricky as a little controversial, but most straightforward hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that according to Mad in America, money from pharmaceutical companies began to flow to the American Medical Association in 1951, the year after the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?
• ALT3:... that Mad in America says because of the Durham-Humphrey Amendment, money from pharmaceutical companies began to flow to the American Medical Association in 1951, the year after the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?

Too long. Try again.

• ALT4: ... that Mad in America says because of a 1951 law, money from drug companies began to flow to American physicians when the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?

Umm..not the same thing. American Medical Association =/= American Physicians. All these are pretty controversial and the wording would have to be pretty careful. ALT3 probably best but too wordy. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Umm, sorry Casliber, but that doesn't help solve this at all. Try again. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT5 (ALT3 modified):... that Mad in America says because of the Durham-Humphrey Amendment, money from drug companies began to flow to the AMA when the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?
• ALT6:... that Mad in America says because of a 1951 law, money from drug companies began to flow to the American Medical Association when the first antipsychotic drug (Thorazine pictured) was synthesized?

• I think all the alts are too complicated. What's wrong with the original hook? It's straightforward and to the point. Gatoclass (talk) 11:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Adriatic Croatia International Club

• ... that with 21 marinas along the Croatian coast ACI Club is the single largest marina chain in the Mediterranean?

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that ACI Club is the single largest marina chain in the Mediterranean? Timbouctou 07:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date verified, Croatian refs accepted in good faith. I prefer the 2nd hook. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Monadnock Building

• ... that the staircases in the 1891 Monadnock Building in Chicago (pictured) were the first use of aluminum in a building?

5x expanded by Nasty Housecat (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Second use in architecture in America, according to this - possibly a reference to the tip of the 1884 Washington Monument? I guess it depends on your definition of a "building", it's still interesting though. Le Deluge (talk) 17:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's correct. The source refers it as the second architectural use of aluminum, the first being the tip of the Washington Monument (see p. 84). The Monadnock is significant in its use of that then exotic metal in the actual construction of a building, hence the wording. If more clarity is called for, perhaps "first interior use of aluminum in a building" would do it. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 03:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Morrisey

• ... that prior to the 1933 Cincinnati Reds season, a newspaper reported that Jo-Jo Morrissey "developed amazingly" yet he was fifth in the league in errors and batted .230

Created by Secret (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Deorbit of Mir

• ... that during deorbit of Mir space station the New Zealand authorities issued international warnings to ships and aircraft travelling in the South Pacific?

Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The lead was copied from Mir#Final days and deorbit and the article is not 5x expanded from that, so I'm not sure if this is eligible for DYK. SmartSE (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Those are major details, it's not possible to write something different. But even without lead the article is long enough (about 2,200 prose characters) and the hook doesn't come from the lead. Twilightchill t 21:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I don't think that counts as "new" per WP:DYK/A A5. If the text was copied and then 5x expanded it would be eligible, but it hasn't been. Can someone else check me on this? SmartSE (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
      • SmartSE is correct. When an article is created from or incorporates pre-existing prose from another article, it must be 5x expanded. (See A5.) It appears to me that the pre-existing prose is 700 characters, so a 5x expansion would be 3500 characters. The article is currently at 3158 characters of readable prose, so a little more expansion is still needed. (Sorry, forgot to sign. cmadler (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC))

William Austin Burt, typographer, solar compass, equatorial sextant

• ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a non-magnetic dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Note that this is a Four-in-One hook.

ALT1: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), an astronomical dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

ALT2: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a solar use surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

• Comment: Very impressive! I can tell you've been busy. One tip: the images in the article Typographer look sloppy (particularly near the references section). Might want to fix them! Thanks, Ruby2010 (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestion. Made gallery for the letters.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Luis Daoiz de Torres

Man in blue tunic and white breeches of the Spanish artillery officers uniform of the Napoleonic era

• ... that Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured), one of the leaders of the Dos de Mayo Uprising in 1808 has ancestors who fought for Spain since the 13th century?

• ALT1: ... that on 2 May 1808, Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) held off 2,000 French troops for three hours with just 120 Spanish soldiers and civilians?
• ALT2: ... that Captain Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) refused orders to hand over his barracks to French troops during the Dos de Mayo Uprising, and was killed in the ensuing attack?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. I like the action in ALT1, though ALT2 is also good. I leave it to the administrator to decide. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Kjeld Rimberg

• ... that when Kjeld Rimberg resigned after thirteen months as CEO of the Norwegian State Railways, he cited political regulations as the reason?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Failed to grab my attention. Lots of people resign public sector jobs for lots of reasons, and the high profile stuff like this is likely to be the things that yes, the target readership did actually know already. Why not a hook about the ski instructor job? That's something that people probably do not know. Uncle G (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

2001 NBDL Draft, 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft, 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

• ... that four players selected in both the 2001 NBDL Draft and 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft had also previously been picked in NBA Drafts, while Kaniel Dickens was the only All-Star to come out of the 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

My Idiot Brother

• ... that the upcoming film My Idiot Brother went into production unusually quickly for an independent film, with a first cut to be completed less than a year after the script was picked up?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

1962–63 Ashes series

• ... that the Reverend David Sheppard took a sabbatical from his East End Mission for the MCC tour of Australia in 1962-63, making a century to win the Second Test at Melbourne and preaching to packed cathedrals from Perth to Brisbane?

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 11 November 2010 (GMT)

• Citation issues. The article make extensive use of short citations listing an author name and page number for various books used as source material. This is fine as long as there is an obvious means of locating the corresponding full citation for the authors work. There are two issues with this article that make this difficult to perform with any certainty. First, many of the authors used have multiple publications listed with no obvious means to differentiate between multiple possibilities. Second, what appears to be the full citations is located in the "Further reading" section which according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (layout)#Further reading is for publications "not used to verify article content". --Allen3 ^talk 00:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Jengki style

• ... that Jengki style was a 1950's Indonesian architectural style based on the newly independent country's shift from Dutch to American architectural influences?

Created by Merbabu (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Currently no in-line citations in the article. Miyagawa (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8

Jæren Line, Jæren Commuter Rail, Paradis Station, Mariero Station, Jåttåvågen Station, Gausel Station

• ... that when part of the Jæren Line was upgraded to double track in 2009, the Jæren Commuter Rail received four new stations: Paradis, Mariero, Jåttåvågen and Gausel (pictured)?

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

California Voting Rights Act

• ... that the California Voting Rights Act makes it easier for minority groups in California to prove that their votes are being diluted in "at-large" elections?

5x expanded by ClaireStum (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Karen Human Rights Group

• ... that the Karen Human Rights Group trains and equips local people to document villagers' stories and gathers evidence of human rights abuses?

Created by Jysg23 (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The creator of this article has self nominated their project creation for DYK inclusion. The user is a member of the pilot program Wikipedia:Ambassadors and the failure to nominate this article within 5 days is a consequence of their being a new contributor. As an ambassador of this program, I ask, if it is possible, please excuse this tardy entry and vet it under your remaining criteria. Thank you for considering this request.My76Strat 04:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The Jacquier and Securius Bank

• ... that the Jewish owners of the German The Jacquier and Securius Bank were forced to relinquish control by the Nazi government?

Created by Odenhem (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: student project (see Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Theorizing Culture and Politics fall 2010). Major work done in late October, but still being tweaked by the student, I suggest using the latest edit date (Nov 8) as the creation (finalization) date. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• It pains me to do this, but the creation date for this article should be October 28, not November 8 when editing was largely completed. This would mean that the article does not fall into the required 5-day creation window required for DYK eligibility. If the article had been created in userspace and then moved to mainspace after it was complete, that would be fine, but that does not appear to be the case here. It would thus appear that this article is not eligible for DYK. Any other thoughts on this? Alansohn (talk) 15:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Braye Harbour and Saint Anne, Alderney

• ... that Braye Harbour (pictured), to the north of Saint Anne, Alderney has one of the longest harbour walls in Europe?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Rosietep (talk)Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 14:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Those two hook references cannot be used because the sites take information from Wikipedia. - PM800 (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Source has been removed. The other source should be OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, that source is not OK. At the bottom of the page, in small print, it says: "Some data may have been obtained from the Braye Harbour page on Wikipedia and used under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License." - PM800 (talk) 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can I make changes with minor editing and convert into two hooks for the individual articles.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 05:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)?

Bunkers at Saint Anne

• ALT1 for Saint Anne: ... that the Luftwaffe command bunker (pictured) and tower, and the German naval tactical headquarters were located in Saint Anne, Alderney during World War II. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. - PM800 (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Braye Inner Harbour

• ALT1 for Braye Harbour: ... that the best time to enter Braye Harbour (pictured) in the Channel Islands is during rising tide, as it dries when at low water neaps? --Rosiestep (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hook source checks out, but I think the hook is boring. In addition, the picture is kind of thin, and the "Museum of Learning" reference should not be used in the article. - PM800 (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Braye Harbour in the Channel Islands was built after twenty ships at the original harbour were lost or damaged? - PM800 (talk) 12:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, PM800. I have removed the reference under dispute and also the related text. I made some minor additions to fix the following hook if it appeals to you since an img of the breakwater could be fitted. Even otherwise I go with your suggestion for the second hook. You are the judge.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 13:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Breakwater of Braye Harbour

• Alt 3 hook ... that a 3,000 feet (910 m) breakwater (pictured) built by the British to protect its Navy in the 19th century shelters the Braye Harbour?

• ALT3 checked. - PM800 (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you very much.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 12:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

George J. Geis and Kutkai

• ... that American Baptist missionary George J. Geis was working at the Kachin Bible Training School he had established in Kutkai at the time of his death in 1936?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1972 Summer Olympics

• ... that a 25 km (16 mi) stretch of the German Autobahn near Munich served as the venue for the cycling road team time trial event at the 1972 Summer Olympics?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ref verified. —Bruce1ee^talk 10:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

St Matthew's Church, Langford

• ... that St Matthew's Church, Langford, Oxfordshire, England has two Saxon carved stone reliefs of the crucifixion of Christ), and that in one of them Christ's left and right arms have been swapped over?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 12:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Lloyd Morain

• ... that philanthropist Lloyd Morain read palms in Hollywood before a career as a utilities executive, and, uniquely, served two terms as president of the American Humanist Association?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Było sobie miasteczko...

• ... that the murder of worshipers in Kysylyn during the massacres of Poles in Volhynia became the subject of a 2009 historical documentary film for Telewizja Polska?

Created by FoliesTrévise (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Paul H. Carlson

• ... that Paul H. Carlson, historian of the American West, once likened the cowboy to a "symbolic yardstick against which modern men might measure their own manhood"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT1:... that the historian Paul H. Carlson wrote the revisionist biography of the Spanish-American War General William Rufus Shafter?

ALT2:... that historian Paul H. Carlson co-authored a revisionist study of the 1860 capture of Cynthia Ann Parker, seized by the Comanche in 1836, when she was a young girl?

All Saints Church, Billesley

• ... that in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured) is a 12th-century carved stone probably depicting a Harrowing of Hell?

• ALT1:... that there is a tradition that William Shakespeare married Anne Hathaway in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured), but this cannot be confirmed?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

St Peter's Church, Adderley

• ... that St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) is divided into two parts, the nave being used as a parish church, and the rest preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust?

• ALT1:... that the font in St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) has an inscription in Latin which translates as "Here wickedly the first man enjoyed the apple with his wife"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 9

Edorian McCullough

• ... that Edorian McCullough twice won the Texas high school 100 meter championship and later played for the Frankfurt Galaxy in World Bowl XV?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Mikhail Beketov

• ... that Mikhail Beketov, a Russian journalist who has opposed the construction of the Moscow – Saint Petersburg motorway, was beaten up my unknown assailants in November 2008, leaving him wheelchair-bound?

Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 14:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Revolutionary Nationalist Leftwing Movement - 20th Century

• ... that in 1984 dissident technocrats of the Siles Zuazo cabinet founded a 'revolutionary' political party of their own?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:13, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Howard Van Hyning

• ... that New York City Opera percussionist Howard Van Hyning bought a set of 13 gongs that had been originally commissioned by Puccini for use in performances of the opera Turandot?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Monastery of Saint Anthony

• ... that the Monastery of Saint Anthony, one of the world's oldest monasteries, was established by the followers of Saint Anthony, who is considered to be the first ascetic monk?

5x expanded by Luckbethislady (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have rephrased the original hook to include the article name, but it needs further focusing and wikilinking. The major problem is that the prose expansion 10511/3011=3.5 is too far from required 5x. There are also some unreferenced paragraphs, and article needs to be brushed up for grammar and formatting. Materialscientist (talk) 07:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

• ... that Kalin Lucas repeated as preseason conference player of the year prior to the 2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Tommy Brown (GM)

• ... that Tommy Brown was the only survivor from HMS Petard who boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?

• ALT1:... that World War II canteen assistant Tommy Brown and two sailors boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?
• ALT2:... that George Medal recipient Tommy Brown lied about his age in order to join the NAAFI during World War II?
• Comment: Not sure why the formatting is odd at the start of Alt2 - if someone could fix, I'd appreciate it. Miyagawa (talk) 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Consecration and entrustment to Mary

• ... that Saint Maximilian Kolbe was called the Apostle of Consecration to Mary?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Grant Program

• ... that during the 2010 fiscal year, the Department of Homeland Security will spend $1,786,359,956 on the Homeland Security Grant Program?

Created by Kcahlber (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've verified the hook, but the article isn't particularly neutral at the moment e.g. "Protecting the United States from terrorist threats is the founding principle and highest priority, which includes empowering Americans to live in a constant state of readiness rather than fear" can you try to rewrite this is a more neutral tone? e.g. "The main aim is to protect the United States from terrorist threats". There is also too much direct quoting for my liking, content should be new, in the OPSG section for example there is a 5 line quote. SmartSE (talk) 01:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Addressed the neutral language and a large amount of the quoting. I understand your concern about the quoting, but in some of the cases I believe it's necessary. Kcahlber (talk) 18:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, I agree that some quotes are ok, but I think you need to do remove some more and only use them when there is absolutely no way that you can write it yourself. The main problem with the quotes is that governments tend to use too many words, when fewer can convey the same meaning and it makes the article sound clumsy. I'm not entirely sure about the hook, mainly because the exactness of the figure is a bit over the top, even if the source says this. I'd suggest rounding it to $1.75 billion instead. Actually, I think this is more interesting anyway:

ALT1 ... that Wyoming received four times as much money per person from the Homeland Security Grant Program than California and New York? SmartSE (talk) 22:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Action for Rural Rejuvenation

• ... that the city of Columbus, Ohio felicitated Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, for the social programs and activities conducted by Action for Rural Rejuvenation?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 09:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Denver Symphony Orchestra

• ... that the Denver Symphony Orchestra filed for bankruptcy in 1989?

Created by Muserjc (talk). Nominated by Seb az86556 (talk) at 09:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article qualifies for DYK, but I don't think this is an interesting hook. Can you suggest a better hook? cmadler (talk) 18:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

As the creator of the article, I think these are the most interesting simple points in the article:

• ALT1: ... that Sergei Prokofiev disappointed reviewers and himself when he performed with and conducted the Denver Symphony Orchestra in 1938?

or

• ALT2: ... that Saul Caston, Music Director of the Denver Symphony Orchestra from 1945 to 1964, had been Associate Conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra under both Leopold Stokowski and Eugene Ormandy?

Thanks! Muserjc (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think a symphony orchestra going bankrupt is pretty quirky in its own right. Circéus (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

That was my thinking also; the other stuff seems a bit too wordy. Just saying. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 21:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mehmed's first Albanian campaign

• ... that a series of diplomatic struggles between the major Mediterranean powers of the 15th century culminated in newly-crowned Mehmed II ordering his first invasion of Albania?

Created by User:Gaius Claudius Nero (talk). Self-nom at 02:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Malian Family Code

• ... that the Malian Family Code was sent back to parliament as a result of widespread public protests?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10

First-tier Tribunal

• ... that the First-tier Tribunal in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the First-tier and Upper Tribunals in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Comment: Alternative hook as the two tribunals, and thus the two articles, are closely related. DavidWard ^talk 23:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cavell Van

• ... that the Cavell Van (pictured before restoration) carried the bodies of Edith Cavell, Charles Fryatt and The Unknown Warrior?

Created by LameCat (talk). 5x expanded by Mjroots (talk) Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 18:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1976 Winter Olympics

• ... that during the 1975 Olympic Test Competition, the East Germans set up cameras and timers at the bobsleigh and luge venue used for the 1976 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck to determine fastest lines through each of the straights and curves?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Truth in Numbers?

• ... that the documentary film Truth in Numbers? Everything, According to Wikipedia includes commentary from former CIA director James Woolsey?

• Comment: Expanded over 10 times. Please compare version after an AFD that recently closed as "Keep", here [3], with expanded version, here [4]. Thank you.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I feel that hooks on Wikipedia-related subjects are overly self-indulgent and indicative of navel-gazing, sorry. DS (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length and dates are fine but a much, much better hook is possible given all the interesting detail in this article. - Dravecky (talk) 06:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Some ALTs:

• ALT1 ... that Jimbo (pictured) said the documentary film Truth in Numbers? "is out of date and should have been released three or four years ago"?"
• ALT2 ... that one reviewer of Truth in Numbers? noted that "the Wikipedia article for the film itself was under threat of being deleted"?
• ALT3 ... that Jimbo (pictured) said of Truth in Numbers? that "the film was poorly received in Poland"?"

How's that for navel-gazing? :-) I think ALT2 is the best of that bunch. cmadler (talk) 07:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, I was sorely tempted to link WP:JIMBOSAID in ALT1 and ALT3. :-) cmadler (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Any of the ALT hooks are fine with me, thank you.  ;) -- Cirt (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

However, I agree with Cmadler (talk · contribs) that ALT2 is the best. :) -- Cirt (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd strongly suggest not having "Jimbo" in the hook - I'd be worried that no one would know what it meant. I kinda like ALT2 though. SmartSE (talk) 21:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 student protest in London

• ... that a demonstration against raising tuition fees held earlier this month in London has been described as the largest student protest in the United Kingdom for a decade?

Created by Midnightblueowl (talk). Nominated by The Celestial City (talk) at 00:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the London headquarters of the Conservative Party were broken into earlier this month by student protesters campaigning against planned tuition fee increases, drawing condemnation from the United Kingdom's National Union of Students?

Lesley-Ann Brandt

• ... that Spartacus: Blood and Sand actress Lesley-Ann Brandt was born in Cape Town and is fluent in Afrikaans?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• "South African speaks Afrikaans" is not perhaps the most interesting hook - detail on her hockey career might be more interesting, if it can be reffed. Creation and length are fine.Le Deluge (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Lindbergh Forest

• ... that there are two Lustron houses and several houses built with East Tennessee marble in Knoxville's Lindbergh Forest neighborhood?

5x expanded by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 19:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Jephcott

• ... that the British Conservative MP Alfred Jephcott was a trade unionist and a member of the Amalgamated Society of Engineers for over 40 years?

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Falta, South 24 Parganas

• ... that Falta was the first Special Economic Zone in India?

• ALT1:... that when Siraj-ud-Daulah sacked Kolkata in 1756, the English residents moved to Falta temporarily?

Created by Chandan Guha (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Walter Goodfellow

• ... that Walter Goodfellow obtained the type specimen of the Mikado Pheasant, comprising two long black tail feathers, from one of his porters who was wearing them in his head-dress?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

James Charles Fahey

• ... that James Charles Fahey started publishing The Ships and Aircraft of the United States Fleet due to his disappointment at editors butchering his manuscripts?

Created by Thewellman (talk). Nominated by MC10 (talk) at 06:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe instead of "publishing," it should be "self-publishing"? - PM800 (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length, date, and sources check out. - PM800 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I really don't like "butchering" here (or in the article, for that matter); if that's the word Fahey himself used, we should put it in quotes. DS (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. And, in addition, the referencing is unclear. Is all of that one mammoth paragraph sourced to the same source with the single inline citation at the end? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 20:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that paragraph is cited to that single source; I will try to find more sources. Instead of using "butchering", could we use "wrecking" or "spoiling"? —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 21:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Socialist Workers Movement (Bolivia)

• ... that the Bolivian ambassador to the United Nations Pablo Solón was the main leader of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

French frigate Psyché (1804)

• ... that on 9 April 1804 Commander Henry Lambert of the 21-gun HMS Wilhelmina held off the 36-gun French privateer Psyche and that on 14 February 1805 now Captain Lambert of the 44-gun frigate HMS San Fiorenzo captured her.

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

HMS Pactolus (1813)

• ... that 200 years ago today (11 August 2014) HMS Pactolus and HMS Ramillies bombarded Stonington, Connecticut during the War of 1812 and then sailed off?

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we hold DYKs for almost four years, but this item would have the greatest impact then.Acad Ronin (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

You could move it to the special holding area below. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 06:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Nah - 4 years is just getting ridiculous. Get it out there under the normal procedure, it's not that "special". The hook could bear some tightening, most ships sail off after a bombardment... Le Deluge (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Could probably expand Ramillies to get that up to DYK standard too. Harrias ^talk 14:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot

• ... that the exterior of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot, (pictured) was designed by Lancelot "Capability" Brown in Gothic Revival style, but the interior by Robert Adam is Georgian?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, including image copyright. Royalbroil 04:25, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Alex Konanykhin

• ... that former Russian oligarch Alex Konanykhin and his wife Elena Gratcheva were the first citizens of post-Soviet Russia to be granted political asylum in the USA?

5x expanded by (unknown?). Nominated by Eclipsed (talk) at 14:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article has not been expanded recently. Although the file size has increased, the prose size is actually smaller than it was before recent edits. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. Article is being worked on, so the DYK can be resubmitted after the article is suitably expanded. Thanks.     Eclipsed   (t)     20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 11

Stanley Tanger

• ... that Stanley Tanger not only founded Tanger Factory Outlet Centers, but he has also been credited with inventing the concept of the outlet mall itself?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 11:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

2010–11 Temple Owls men's basketball team

• ... that the 2010–11 Temple Owls men's basketball team was picked to win the Atlantic 10 Conference for the fourth consecutive season?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Denver S. Dickerson

• ... that Nevada Governor Denver S. Dickerson (pictured) resisted pressure to stop the interracial boxing match of defending champion Jack Johnson and later supervised Johnson's federal prison sentence?

5x expanded by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Homosexuals Anonymous

• ... that Homosexuals Anonymous is a Twelve-step program which has fourteen steps?

Created by Lionelt (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Note. The lead hook changed whilst I was making the alt below. The approval below does not include the present lead hook which I have not checked.

• (alt)... that Homosexuals Anonymous relies on belief in Christ to effect a sexual orientation change?

The article and ref mention Christ. Ive said "Christ" but I guess "Jesus Christ" may be more accurate so Ive piped it. That said fine with me. Victuallers (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)Victuallers (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

False positive, I nominated it first! See below...--Cannibaloki 12:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This is not an encyclopedic article as it does not present a balanced perspective. No reputable medical organisation endorses this type of attempt to "change" sexuality, the evidence in the scientific and medical literature is conclusive about the ineffectiveness of these sorts of programs, and the damage done by conversion therapy is well documented. I will post a request at the LGBT WikiProject for editors to balance the article, and maybe it can be turned into something balanced. As for the hook, it does a dis-service to genuine and effectie twelve step programs like AA and NA to compare them with conversion therapy and linking them to the ex-gay movement. EdChem (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Love in This Club, Pt. II

• ... that Usher's song "Love in This Club Part II", which features Beyoncé (pictured) and Lil Wayne, was originally planned to have guest appearances from Mariah Carey and Plies?

5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Life (book)

• ... that in Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life, Richards reveals that Mick Jagger has a "tiny todger", but adds "I love the man dearly; I'm still his mate"?

Created by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think this might be too insulting to Jagger. - PM800 (talk) 02:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• So are you saying that this referenced statement is not acceptable? I understood that Wikipedia is not censored. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• From my understanding, hooks that appear on the main page shouldn't be too negative towards living persons. I am not completely sure about this hook, so other input is welcome. - PM800 (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Agree with PM800. It's a funny hook, but we should probably find something less negative. Not that Mick would care. At any rate, we can't use the cover image because it's fair-use, so I've removed that. 28bytes (talk) 03:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hook amended. Alternative hooks below. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: that Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life reached No.1 in the New York Times non-fiction best seller list in in the week of its release? Jezhotwells (talk) 03:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2: that The Independent said of Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards' memoir Life that "the watchwords of this book are honesty, confessionalism, telling it straight."?

• ALT 3: that journalist James Fox spent "hundreds of hours" interviewing Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards to gather material for the memoir Life, published on 26 October 2010?

Great Mosque of Algiers

• ... that the Great Mosque of Algiers (pictured) is the oldest mosque in Algiers and is said to be the oldest mosque in Algeria after Sidi Okba Mosque?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 01:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Fort Santa Cruz, Oran

• ... that a chapel near Fort Santa Cruz, Oran (pictured) is the site of a pilgrimage every Ascension Day?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Img added.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 01:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghardaïa

• ... that the name of Ghardaïa (market place pictured) in northern-central Algeria has its origins in a female saint named Daïa who lived in a cave (ghār) in the M'zab valley?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Img added-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 01:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Edward Spurway, Robert Spurway, Francis Spurway

• ... that Edward Spurway, two of his sons Michael and Francis, and his brother Robert all played first-class cricket for Somerset?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Albert Watts, Charles Watts (secularist)

• ... that Charles Albert Watts edited the secularist Literary Guide without a break for over 60 years, having taken over a publishing business set up by his father, the atheist writer Charles Watts?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 10:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Robert Lipshutz

• ... that former President Jimmy Carter credited his White House Counsel Robert Lipshutz with offering insights that led to the signing of the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Linda Bean

• ... that Linda Bean, heiress to part of the L.L. Bean company, twice ran for the United States Congress?

Created by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Contemporary sources for 1988 call her Linda Bean-Jones. Later sources call her Linda Bean Folkers. Uncle G (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mimoides phaon

• ... that Mimoides phaon was the first swallowtail butterfly of the genus Mimoides to stray into the United States?

Created by Meganmccarty (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article slightly below the minimum of 1500 characters of prose required for DYK. Intelligentsium 23:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought when I measured the prose, it was just over 1500 characters. I guess I must have missed removing some wikitext. However, I'm not quite sure I can expand the article must further than it currently is, for information on this species, both in books and online, is quite lacking. Megan|^talk_contribs 14:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Roma

• ... that in spite the construction of modern office and apartment buildings and the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, Colonia Roma still contains 1,100 of the mansions built there in early 20th century?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Citizens for a Free Kuwait

• ... that Citizens for a Free Kuwait was an astroturf operation established by the Kuwaiti government to promote U.S. intervention in the Iraq-Kuwait War?

5x expanded by P. S. Burton (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders

• ... that the Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders has been referred to as "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history"?

--BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've got a little shy of 5x dating back to November 6. Could someone else double check? Grsz¹¹ 07:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, about 1,000 characters shy. - PM800 (talk) 07:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Peter Frederik Suhm

• ... that the Trondheim Society was founded in 1760 by Johan Ernst Gunnerus, Gerhard Schøning and Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured)?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured) was one of the founder of the Trondheim Society, the first high school in Norway?
• Comment: ALT1 is by far the better hook, in my opinion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think so. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article should perhaps make use of the newer Norsk biografisk leksikon article in a larger degree than the 100-year-old Dansk biografisk leksikon article. Also I recommend incorporating "northernmost scientific society in the world" into the hook.

• What is intended by the term "high school" as it is used in the article and above? Norway lacked a university during its union with Denmark, but that nothing resembling a modern secondary or university-preparatory education (as it was at the time) would have existed in Norway before the 18th century seems unlikely to me. (What about the various cathedral schools, dating back to the 12th century?) Is it possibly a mistranslation of the Norwegian høyskole, which is an institution of higher education? The source for the claim is a History of Oslo University, and I would like to see a quote from the original Norwegian on the talk page to support the claim. --Hegvald (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
  • You ar right. I give ALT2. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured) was one of the founder of the Trondheim Society, the first northernmost scientific society in the world?

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford

• ... that the west gallery of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford, Leicestershire, contains a Coade stone fireplace, the Royal arms, and a dome decorated with putti?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cross River Rail

• ... that the Cross River Rail planned for Brisbane will be the largest transport project ever built in Queensland?

5x expanded by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've taken the liberty of re-wording the hook to be slightly shorter, hope this is OK. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jens Ramme

• ... that German football goalkeeper Jens Ramme conceded six goals in 45 minutes on his debut, turning a 5–1 lead for Dynamo Dresden into a 7–5 defeat?

Created by ArtVandelay13 (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article does not have 1,500 characters of prose yet. - PM800 (talk) 10:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, I've expanded it. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Looks good, except that neither of the sources say that it was his debut. - PM800 (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
      • Found one. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length and date checked. AGF on foreign-language source. - PM800 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this too negative? Is it okay to highlight his failure on Wikipedia's MainPage? --PFHLai (talk) 06:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think the wording is too negative. The fact that he allowed six goals isn't necessarily a bad thing, just amusing. - PM800 (talk) 08:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Tumbulgum

• ... that the Australian town of Tumbulgum was the third town in the state of New South Wales to agree that retail outlets will not provide disposable plastic shopping bags?

Created by Mattinbgn (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can a more interesting or eye-catching hook be found? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Loyal Parliament

• ... that the Loyal Parliament of 1685 put high taxes on sugar and tobacco?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ProtoGalaxy

• ... that action-adventure video game ProtoGalaxy was produced in Newfoundland?

Created by Neelix (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not a very exciting hook. - PM800 (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that Newfoundland-produced action-adventure video game ProtoGalaxy has been called "one of this year's most polished indie titles"? Neelix (talk) 13:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Creation date and length are fine. I'm not wild about the quality of some of the sources in the article, I understand that it's partly the nature of the beast, but I'll leave that to someone more familiar with gaming articles to comment further. ALT1 is too WP:PEACOCKy for me, I'd go for something more playful :
• ALT2... that the formation of a ProtoGalaxy was recorded in Newfoundland in 2010? Le Deluge (talk) 14:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I like it. Very funny. Neelix (talk) 13:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Trial as an adult

• ... that once a juvenile has been convicted as an adult in Florida, they are then handled in every respect as an adult for any subsequent violation of state law?

• ALT1... that since 1990, seven countries have tried juveniles as adults and executed them?

• ALT2... that since 1990, seven countries have executed juveniles tried as adults?

Created by Deon (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length etc.. checks out. Alt1 is much more attention grabbing. Miyagawa (talk) 22:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Struck this to prevent any risk of it reaching the main page in its current state. Miyagawa, you've reviewed it and preferred ALT1 - did your review include confirming the source cited to support the ALT1 hook fact? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I did. Hook is cited at the bottom out the outcomes section on the article, with this website being the cited location. However just double checked - there is a problem, there's only seven countries in the list. Miyagawa (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I've noticed I looked at a different list when citing it. The correct number is 7 and the cited source stands. Cheers — Deon^talk 10:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

May I suggest rewording it to "... that since 1990, seven countries have executed juveniles tried as adults?" The current version could be misread to say that only 7 countries have tried juveniles as adults, and in fact all of them were executed, which I don't think was the intention, Sadads (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Took me a few times re-reading it, but I get what you mean. I like you're proposed alteration. I've added it above. — Deon^talk 05:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

• ... that the award winning Finnish language novel Puhdistus (Purge) by Sofi Oksanen has had mixed reactions in Estonia, its principal topic?

5x expanded by Sadads (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note the article has been expanded from 216 words of text to over 1200, and I am not completely happy with the hook, alts would be greately appreciated Sadads (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12

Homosexuals Anonymous

• ... that the Homosexuals Anonymous program relies on belief in God to effect sexual orientation change?

Created by Lionelt (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 14:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• (alt)... that Homosexuals Anonymous relies on belief in Christ to effect a sexual orientation change?

The article and ref mention Christ. I think God is not specific enough (other brands are available). Ive said "Christ" but I guess "Jesus Christ" may be more accurate so Ive piped it. That said fine with me. Victuallers (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Action of 12 October 1950

• ... that during the Action of 12 October 1950 a war crime was committed against a Pirate?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 13:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Rowhouses at 322-344 East 69th Street

• ... that the rowhouses at 322-344 East 69th Street (pictured) on Manhattan's Upper East Side are a rare surviving group of the many rowhouses built after the completion of the Third Avenue El?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Culver Aircraft Company

• ... that over 3000 target drones (PQ-14 pictured) were produced by the Culver Aircraft Company for the U.S. Army Air Forces and the U.S. Navy during World War II?

Created by FlugKerl (talk), The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 18:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Culver Aircraft Company, which only existed from 1939 through 1946, built over 3000 target drones (PQ-14 pictured) for the United States military during World War II? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

List of singles which have sold more than one million copies in the UK

• ... that Leona Lewis' (pictured) "Bleeding Love" is the most recent of 103 million-selling singles in the UK?

5x expanded by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 15:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

1918 Michigan Wolverines football team

• ... that the 1918 Michigan Wolverines football team (game program pictured) were recognized as national champions in a season shortened by World War I travel restrictions and a global flu pandemic?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Balneario

• ... that Latin American public beach resorts known as balnearios can be highly politicized?Hemanetwork (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Spheromak

• ... that a spheromak is a stable ring of hot plasma that's been described as the electrical equivalent of a smoke ring?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Dan Flores

• ... that historian Dan Flores has published Visions of the Big Sky: Painting and Photography in the Northern Rocky Mountain West, with focus on his adopted state of Montana?

ALT:... that historian Dan Flores wrote the study of the Red River Expedition, which set forth in 1806, as Lewis and Clark were returning to St. Louis?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Wasp Motorcycles

• ... that British company Wasp Motorcycles produces a special motorcycle sidecar designed for use by paraplegic motorcyclists?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Arlene Tur

• ... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, played professional beach volleyball during her time at Florida International University?

Created by The Celestial City (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, has described most of her early years as being spent "reading books up in an avocado tree"?
• ALT2:... that Crash actress Arlene Tur, who has been reported to have been cast as Vera Juarez in the upcoming fourth series of Torchwood, speaks English, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian?

Obsidian (1986 video game)

• ... that Revolution Software co-founder Tony Warriner created the video game Obsidian when he should have been revising his school exams, causing him to fail them all?

5x expanded by Someone another (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cyber Shockwave

• ... that the Cyber ShockWave was a 4-hour wargame conducted by the Washington, D.C. think tank Bipartisan Policy Center on February 16, 2010?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• You have 5x expanded, but it took place over ~ 6 weeks rather than 5-10 days. SmartSE (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Act

• ... that the Homeland Security Act created both the United States Department of Homeland Security (seal pictured) and the new cabinet-level position of Secretary of Homeland Security?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not 5x expanded in the last 10 days (the numbered stuff doesn't count, as only prose is included) I get an increase from 1901 > 4362 characters, but your expansion started on the 26/10. SmartSE (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Cordillera de la Ramada

• ... that several peaks of the Andean Cordillera de la Ramada, including the highest, Mercedario (pictured), were first climbed by a Polish expedition of 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and refs all check out. Ericoides (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No. 77 Wing RAAF

• ... that before the Battle of North Borneo, No. 77 Wing RAAF (aircraft pictured) surgically attacked targets at Labuan as few as 100m from Allied demolition teams laying charges on the invasion beach?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good from here. Reccomendation to compilers: the picture as it appears on the mainpage should be cropped so as to better show the aircraft at this size. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 06:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Areopagus sermon

• ... the Areopagus sermon was the most dramatic and fullest speech of the missionary career of Apostle Paul?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 03:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Stockade Building System

• ... that Buckminster Fuller invented a brick made out of wood fibers that could support a house?
• ALT1 - ... that Buckminster Fuller invented the Stockade Building System, which uses bricks made from wood fibers and plaster?
• ALT2 - ... who invented the Stockade Building System, which uses bricks made from wood fibers and plaster?

Created by Reaper Eternal (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fusō class battleship

• ... that the armor of the s was incapable of stopping their own shells?

5x expanded by Climie.ca (talk). Self nom at 05:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I see that the fact in the hook is cited to "Skulski", but there's nothing by anybody by that name in the bibliography... - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 05:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Cam ^(Chat)(Prof) 18:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry

• ... that the winner of the Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry football game is awarded the Legends Trophy, which is a combination of Irish crystal and California redwood?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 13

Old Strathcona Branch (Edmonton Public Library)

• ... that Old Strathcona Branch is the oldest branch library in the Edmonton Public Library system?

Created by Ravenblacksky (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 12:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Pusan

• ... that the Battle of Pusan was the first surface action of the Korean War?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 12:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Honeymoon Is Over (album)

• ... that after The Cruel Sea won four awards at the ARIA Music Awards of 1994 for their album The Honeymoon Is Over, two of the band's ARIA trophies were stolen that night?

Created by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 11:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Outline of canoeing and kayaking

• ...that the voyagers and adventurers in the Outline of canoeing and kayaking includes Freya Hoffmeister, a German kayaker who was the first woman to complete a solo circumnavigation of Australia in 2009?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 06:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 student protest in Dublin

• ... that one newspaper referred to a recent student protest in Dublin as "the largest student protest for a generation"?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and source verified. - PM800 (talk) 08:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Makushin Volcano

Oblique aerial view of Makushin Volcano, a snow-covered mountain with an irregular surface

• ... that Makushin (pictured) in the Aleutian Islands, one of the most active volcanoes, erupted at least two dozen times over the past several thousands years, the last of which occurred in 1995?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Armin Maiwald

• ... that Armin Maiwald, creator of Die Sendung mit der Maus, was bombed out of three homes by the time he was five years old?

• ALT1:... that Armin Maiwald made an award-winning short film series about his childhood in post-World War II Germany?
• ALT2:... that German author, television director and producer Armin Maiwald has made children's film shorts that are used to teach at universities?

Created by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 23:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Aciculopoda

• ... that the newly named extinct prawn Aciculopoda is the third unambiguous fossil decapod from before the Mesozoic?

Created by Wilhelmina Will (talk), Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Tom Norris, Dick Power

• ... that after winning the Welsh heavyweight boxing title on Boxing Day, Tom Norris held onto the title for just 100 days before being beaten by Dick Power?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) FruitMonkey (talk) 21:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

St Mark's Church, Hadlow Down

• ... that a builder of St Mark's Church in Hadlow Down, East Sussex, was sacked for deliberately placing its weather vane upside down?

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 18:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Santa Isabel (supermarkets)

• ... that cashiers working in Cencosud's Chilean Santa Isabel wore diapers because they had to work non-stop 9 hour shifts, leading the company to be severely fined!? !Hemanetwork (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article doesn't mention that the company was fined as a result of the employees working non-stop for 9 hours or wearing diapers – the only mention of fines is to do with the issues in employing pregnant or attractive people. It also does not state where the store in question is. I suggest possibly taking out these bits as they don't seem integral to the hook. I'll leave it to someone else to verify the sources as they're in Spanish. If they check out ok, I suggest:

• ALT1: ... that cashiers working in a Santa Isabel store wore diapers because they had to work 9-hour shifts without bathroom breaks? matt (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The alternative is fine, the sources in Spanish mention the fines but its not really that important.Hemanetwork (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

It's Always Jan

• ... that Janis Paige's sitcom It's Always Jan bombed as the first series to precede Gunsmoke on the CBS 1955-1956 Saturday schedule?

ALT:... that thirteen years before he joined NBC's Laugh-In, comic Arte Johnson appeared with Janis Paige in her short-lived CBS sitcom It's Always Jan?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Jim Lacy

• ... that in 1949, Jim Lacy became the first college basketball player to score 2,000 career points?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Jean A. Stuntz

• ... that historian Jean A. Stuntz found that the Spanish legal system in Mexico and Texas gave much greater community property rights to women than were permitted in the original English colonies?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Brain Games

• ... that it has been suggested to play the 1978 video-game Brain Games in order to increase memory retainment?

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

List of NBA Development League champions

• ... that two teams from the NBA Development League's Western Conference played each other in the 2010 Finals to determine the champion?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• This "Did you know" hook happens in every sports league, every year. - PM800 (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, it actually doesn't. Two teams from the same conference don't play each other in every sports league, every year. This is a unique set-up and a unique situation. Please read the hook more carefully. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I suppose I should. Length, date, and source checked; good to go. - PM800 (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm open to alt hooks though, or, if this one could be reworded better. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Konstanty Jodko-Narkiewicz

• ... that Konstanty Jodko-Narkiewicz survived the burning of the hydrogen balloon Star of Poland in 1938?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Independent custody visitor

• ... that independent custody visitors must be immediately admitted to a police station in the United Kingdom so that they can speak to people being detained and ensure that they are being properly treated?

Created by dmvward (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Clyde Summers, In re Summers

• ... that although the U.S. Supreme Court denied Clyde Summers the right to practice law in Illinois in 1945 in In re Summers, Summers later was a highly influential scholar in the field of labor law?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

John Keir

• ... that John Keir, who commanded a British Army corps in the First World War, was sacked after he complained about Edmund Allenby's bullying of junior officers?

Created by Shimgray (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Fumarole Butte

• ... that parts of Fumarole Butte (pictured) were once covered by Lake Bonneville?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 15:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Bunkers in Albania

• ... that during the Communist time in Albania 750.000 bunkers where built?

Created by Vinie007 (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

BBC-Marconi Type A

• ... that the iconic BBC-Marconi Type A microphone (pictured) was produced in 1934 for £9 – a saving of £121 on the equivalent RCA microphone?

Created/expanded by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and off-line sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm going to come up with a new hook – re-reading the article, the RCA price is for the mic and amplifier, whereas the BBC price makes no mention of the amplifier. It may well be OK, and the hook may be fine, but I don't want to assume that that's the case. I'll come up with a different hook tonight! matt (talk)

• ALT: ... that in the 1930s there were worries that the BBC-Marconi Type A microphone (pictured) would infringe the patent of a similar (but more expensive) microphone made by RCA?

Inocarpus fagifer

• ... that a myth from Choiseul Island has a man who betrayed a tribal chief punished by suffocation by the flatulence caused by the people around him eating the kernels of the Tahitian Chestnut tree?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ōkōchi Sansō

• ... that Ōkōchi Sansō (pictured), the villa of the Japanese film star Denjirō Ōkōchi, contains several buildings designated cultural properties by the Japanese government?

Created by Michitaro (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Maelsuthain O'Carroll

• ... that Maelsuthain O'Carroll may have educated Brian Boru at the monastery on Innisfallen Island and later became the High King's advisor?

• ALT1 ... that Maelsuthain O'Carroll, advisor to High King Brian Boru, was called the "chief doctor of the western world in his time" and "sage of Ireland"?

Created by User:Bkwillwm (talk). Self nom at 06:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Angela Calomiris

• ... that FBI informant Angela Calomiris donated $50 of government money to the legal defense fund for CPUSA leaders before testifying against them in court?

Created by Sir Nils (talk) 05:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 04:42, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article, date and length verified. Hook ref accepted in good faith. Marrante (talk) 13:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Gift of the Wind

Gift of the Wind

• ... that Gift of the Wind (pictured), a large scale kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark," but was also nominated for "Worst Public Art in New England"?

• Comment: Moved from Userspace to Mainspace

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is over 200 characters. - PM800 (talk) 23:04, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Gift of the Wind (pictured), a kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark," but was also nominated for "Worst Public Art in New England"? --Found5dollar (talk) 04:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 is still 217 char. I think the "worst public art" quote just comes from a list of nominations from the public, so that might not be eligible. How about ALT2: ... that Gift of the Wind (pictured), a large scale kinetic sculpture by Susumu Shingu in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is considered by some to be "Cambridge's most visible landmark"? - PM800 (talk) 16:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure that sounds good. I was just using it to show that there it is both loved and hated, but the ALT 2 is fine with me if it is oked.--Found5dollar (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 good to go. - PM800 (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Percy Jewson

• ... that the British Member of Parliament Percy Jewson was chairman of the Lawn Tennis Association?

5x expanded by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 01:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Is it possible to say when he played tennis, and when he chaired the organization? Not sure if this is hooky/unusual either, but I bet others find it so. Geschichte (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I could find no dates for his chairmanship of the LTA. I also agree that "minor politician chairs a nation sporting body" isn't brilliantly hooky, so I don't mind if this one is dropped. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Petrocardium and Montrichardia aquatica

• ... that fossils of the extinct arum family genus Petrocardium were recovered from an ancient rainforest?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the extinct arum family genus Petrocardium was named after the heart-shaped fossils that its leaves formed in rock? SmartSE (talk) 01:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm expanding this to a double nomination! see alt two below:
• ALT2 ... that the extinct arum family plants Petrocardium and Montrichardia aquatica are known only from the Paleocene Cerrejón Formation rainforest in Colombia. --Kevmin § 08:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

James C. Kent

• ... that in 1999, James C. Kent ruled that the Government of Canada must answer discovery questions from the Six Nations pertaining to its handling of indigenous land on the Grand River?

Created by CJCurrie (talk). Nominated by Ancient Apparition (talk) at 03:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Any chance of a better hook? A judge making a decision in favor of one party and against the others isn's very extraordinary. Grsz¹¹ 06:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Alt 1:

• ... that James C. Kent imposed a record fine of CND$646,000 on a Hamilton man convicted of smuggling cigarettes in 1997?

How about this? —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 12:59pm • 01:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think the first hook is fine, as it's obviously an unusual case. AGF verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• On second thoughts, I'm not sure a regional judge is notable. Is there a notability standard for judicial figures? Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not sure, but since the case was of some notability and importance I believe that he is of some notability. —Ancient Apparition • Champagne? • 10:16am • 23:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Modi Alon

• ... that the Israeli Air Force's very first aerial victories, a pair of Egyptian bombers targeting Tel Aviv on June 3 1948, were downed by Modi Alon flying an Avia S-199 (pictured), a Czech deriviative of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109?

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 11:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is over 200 char. - PM800 (talk) 23:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

ok, ALT1: ... that Modi Alon scored the Israeli Air Force's first aerial victories on June 3 1948 while flying an Avia S-199 (pictured), a derivative of the German Messerschmitt Bf 109?

• Length, date, and online source checked. - PM800 (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Kadua

• ... that twenty-two of the species of flowering plants in the genus Kadua are endemic to the Hawaiian Islands?

Created by Usb10 (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Cited source is unclear, you need to provide an unambiguous source for the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 10:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Landon Liboiron

• ... that Landon Liboiron, a Canadian actor from Jenner, Alberta, was nominated for a Gemini Award, for his role as Declan Coyne on the teen drama Degrassi: The Next Generation?

Created by Xlennie (talk). Nominated by 117Avenue (talk) at 00:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• . Too short: "Prose size (text only): 803 B (132 words) 'readable prose size'." Does not meet the 1500 char limit.--res Laozi speak 03:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Dang, that's all the RS information I could find, I'm not a huge Degrassi fan. 117Avenue (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

So It Goes (Nick Lowe song)

• ... that So It Goes by Nick Lowe was the first record released on Stiff Records?

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

No. 79 Wing RAAF

• ... that on 6 April 1945, B-25 Mitchells of No. 79 Wing RAAF (pictured) bombed the Japanese cruiser Isuzu, claiming 2 hits without loss despite anti-aircraft fire and frontal attacks by enemy fighters?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Seems OK. AGF on sourcing (PDFs tend to crash my computer for some reason). - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 14

David Dwight Baldwin

• ... that after a long career as educator, David Dwight Baldwin published historic lists of land snails and liverworts?

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Rochefoucauld Grail

• ... that the illuminated manuscript the Rochefoucauld Grail contains what is regarded as the oldest and most comprehensive version of the legend of King Arthur and the Holy Grail?

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1976 Summer Olympics

• ... that the track cycling venue (pictured) used for the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal was later converted into an indoor zoo?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the innovative venues of the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal included artificial turf for field hockey, freshwater sailing, and indoor track cycling? Chris (talk) 15:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that at the time of the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal, the Olympic Stadium venue was incomplete since it lacked its tower and retractable roof? Chris (talk) 15:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Tanintharyi and Great Tenasserim River

• ... that the Great Tenasserim River is named after the town of Tenasserim, now known as Tanintharyi and that despite the region sharing the name of Tanintharyi, the largest town and capital is Dawei not Tanintharyi?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yuck, somebody please reword or find something better.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:53, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Kanmaw Kyun

• ... that the economy of the Kanmaw Kyun in the Mergui Archipelago is dependent on rubber plantations.?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), and Bejnar (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Theodore W. Kheel

• ... that though Theodore W. Kheel negotiated deals to end numerous strikes in New York City, Mayor Ed Koch blamed Kheel for too-generous pay packages that led to the city's fiscal crisis in the 1970s?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

JFK in Ireland

• ... that JFK in Ireland, described as "one of the most highly anticipated literary events of the year", includes an account of a disagreement between John F. Kennedy and Éamon de Valera?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 02:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

American Communications Association v. Douds

• ... that only six of the U.S. Supreme Court's nine justices participated in the 1950 anti-communist oath case, American Communications Association v. Douds?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Bessie Tucker

• ... that American classic female blues singer Bessie Tucker's own song "Penitentiary," was about a subject matter not unknown to her?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Amur class minelayer (1898)

• ... that the Amur class minelayers were the first purpose-built, ocean-going minelayers when they were laid down in 1898 for the Imperial Russian Navy?

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 00:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good from here, nice work. AGF on the Warship article. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

All-NBA Development League Team

• ... that Omar Cook and Will Conroy are the only two players to have been named to the All-NBA Development League Team three times?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Richard Bing

• ... that cardiologist Richard Bing worked with the Nobel Prize-winning surgeon Alexis Carrel and aviator Charles Lindbergh on the early development of machine perfusion?

Created by Bongomatic (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 22:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Vinod Mishra

• ... that Indian communist leader Vinod Mishra had announced an "eye for an eye" policy of vengeance after right-wing paramilitaries Ranvir Sena killed 21 Dalits in 1996?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 22:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Tarsiiformes

• ... that disagreements over the classification of fossil primates within the infraorder Tarsiiformes, which includes the tarsiers (picutred), lie at the heart of the debate over early primate evolution and the origins of "higher primates"?

5x expanded by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not entirely sure if I should have listed this as "expanded" or "new"... it was a redirect prior to this. However, I made sure that it does meet the 1,500 character requirement. – VisionHolder « talk » 02:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Indigenous Australians and crime

• ... that Indigenous Australians committed 15.7 percent of homicides in Australia between 1 July 1989 and 30 June 2000, despite making up only 2 percent of the population in 2000?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose without hesitation. If we put something like this on the main page, we'll be crucified in the press. – iridescent 20:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• "Oppose"? This is not a vote. Reviewers are meant to see if the hook and article are within the rules, then put up one of those little coloured signs. Your objection is outside the scope of the rules, hence invalid. Christopher Connor (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a discussion of which items from among our new or newly expanded articles should be featured in the "did you know?" section on the main page. Verifying whether the article meets the formal requirements for inclusion is part of the task here but not the entirety of it. No one has an entitlement to have his or her article on the mainpage, and we have every right to use editorial judgment about which to include and how the hooks should be worded. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

What Brad said. This is not an automated "if it meets the criteria, it goes on the main page" system; this is a discussion process in which we decide whether something is appropriate for inclusion on the sixth most viewed page on the internet. It's the job of the nominator to persuade people that it warrants inclusion. – iridescent 21:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this is overly negative and not suited to the main page, even if it is interesting. SmartSE (talk) 21:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The issue of hooks people don't like is a recurring one, not a one-off problem. So the way to fix that is to go on the project talk page and get consensus to change the rules to say "Offensive hooks and articles can be rejected by discretion". Right now, the rules don't disallow this hook/article, and the only problem is one that should have been settled years ago either way. Every time this comes up is another test case, and another circus.

There is really nothing wrong with the hook. It's a well-sourced, statistical fact, not an opinion. Interesting to a wide range of people, especially those in Australia, where the issue is prominent. Will likely get a very high viewer count. The article itself is fine also. It's a decent size, and covers a broad range of issues. It could do with expansion but that's only because the topic itself is so big. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

The previous circus to which Christopher refers may be found here. The end result of that discussion was that Rlevse simultaneously approved the alt hook and moved it to prep. Seems like a lot of the circus aspect could be avoided here if we skipped directly to the "here's a less inflammatory alt hook you can use" step. 28bytes (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Connor, if your position is that "offensive hooks must be used as submitted because there is no rule saying they can be rejected," then I am afraid that position is un-wikilike in nature and is likely to be completely disregarded. If you have a more constructive contribution to the discussion to make, please feel free. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Connor, selection criterion 4 states (emphasis in original): "Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." A hook whose fact is that an identified racial / cultural group is convicted of disproportionately many homicides strikes me as 'negative aspects of living individuals', even if those individuals are only identified by a group designation rather than by name. Additional Rule D13 states: "To some extent, Did You Know approval is a subjective process. No amount of studying rules, almost-rules and precedents will guarantee approval, nor will violating any rule guarantee disapproval. Just because an unfamiliar criterion isn't listed, doesn't mean you can't be disqualified. The subjective decision might depend on an attempt to circumvent the details of the rules, especially if the attempt doesn't address the underlying purpose of improving the hook and article." This rule provides ample scope for the sort of editorial discretion to which Newyorkbrad has referred.

As for your statement that "[t]here is really nothing wrong with the hook. It's a well-sourced, statistical fact, not an opinion"; I must disagree. The "fact" is predicated on an assumption, namely that rates of conviction for homicide reflects accurately the rate at which homicides are committed. Can anyone be certain that indigenous and non-indigenous Australians are equally likely to be convicted if prosecuted for a crime? Can anyone be certain that the perpetrator of a homicide is equally likely to be caught and prosecuted, irrespective of race or other factors that may be correlated with race (education, socio-economic status, living circumstances, etc). Speaking as an Australian and leaving aside my Wikipedian hat, I am ashamed at the disparity that the statistics underlying this hook indicate. However, I do not accept that the conviction rates necessarily reflect homicide commission rates, nor that race is the cause of the disparity (which the hook implies) - correlation does not imply causation. Returning to wearing my Wikipedian hat, I believe there are ample grounds and precedent for declining to put a hook such as this onto the main page. I urge the nominator to consider proposing an alternative hook. EdChem (talk) 03:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't necessarily have a problem with the hook (apart from the caveats mentioned by EdChem, which could probably be remedied with a tweak or two), but I think the article itself is too narrow in focus, looking at Aboriginal crime rates but largely failing to contextualize the issue by relating it to the unique social conditions faced by indigenous populations. I therefore concur with those above that the article is not suitable for mainpage exposure. Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• It would be irresponsible to put this on the main page. The same editor submitted one in September about black people and crime. [5] SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

As requested, here is one of those little coloured signs. At least four other editors have expressed grave concerns about putting this on the front page; that alone is sufficient grounds for declining this nomination. 28bytes (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Make that five. I have been doing some clearing up of the article, but share a range of the concerns above. Unlike Gatoclass, I also did not think the hook would have been desirable for the main page. It casts in negative terms an issue that is more complex than either the hook or the article capture, though in Christopher Connor's defence, he has started to identify some of the literature that would address that issue of balance. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

St Saviour's Church, Tetbury

• ... that St Saviour's Church, Tetbury, Gloucestershire, (pictured) was built for the poorer people of the town who could not afford the pew rents at St Mary's Church?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Simon Vallily

• ... that Commonwealth Games boxing gold medalist Simon Vallily was once a trainee at Middlesbrough Football Club?

Created by Notjamesbond (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Changed capitals. GiantSnowman 03:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook needs to clarify that he trained as a footballer, not merely that he trained somewhere, which would not be at all unusual. Gatoclass (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Ketchaoua Mosque

• ... that Ketchaoua Mosque (pictured) in Algiers is a "mosque-turned-cathedral-turned-mosque"?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 14:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 15:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, image verified as PD. That image looks very good at 100 x 100px and I recommend it as a possible lead if someone is looking for a building image. Gatoclass (talk) 06:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
• Thanks Gatoclass.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 10:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Kamadhenu

• ... that Kamadhenu, "the mother of all cows" was born from the burp or the vomit of a god, according to some Hindu scriptures?

5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Augustus G. Paine, Jr.

• ... that the Austrian Consulate General in New York is located in the former townhouse (pictured) of the paper manufacturer Augustus G. Paine, Jr. since 1952?

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 10:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Little Crackers

• ... that Stephen Fry, Dawn French and Catherine Tate reenact events from their childhood in the BBC comedy TV series Little Crackers?

Created by User:03md (talk). Self nom at 23:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oidium mangiferae

• ... that Oidium mangiferae causes powdery mildew on mango trees (pictured)?

• Comment: The possible relation to Erysiphe alphitoides is more interesting to me, but I used a hook based on that in May, so I don't think it can be done again.

5x expanded by Riashi (talk). Nominated by Smartse (talk) at 01:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Kertanegara

• ... that when Mongol Yuan dynasty send envoys to the Singhasari king Kertanegara to demand tribute, he brand their faces, cut their ears and sent them back with disfigured face to China?

expaded by Awewe (talk). Self nom at 10:23, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Poor English in the hook and in the article. You might want to have a native speaker go over that. - PM800 (talk) 20:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 15

Master of the Mix

• ... that Master of the Mix is a reality television elimination competition among disk jockeys vying for a US$250,000 Smirnoff contract?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Donald S. Kellermann

• ... that Newsday reporter Donald S. Kellermann deliberately broke into a bar so that he could be arrested and write a series of articles about conditions at the Suffolk County, New York jail?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 11:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Raid on Haverhill

• ... that Benjamin Rolfe, the minister of Haverhill, Massachusetts, his wife and infant child were all killed in an August 29, 1708 raid on Haverhill by a French and Indian force led by Jean-Baptiste Hertel de Rouville during Queen Anne's War?

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

John Billington (hangman), William Billington

• ... that hangman John Billington fell through an open trapdoor while preparing for an execution and later died of his injuries?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'd like to make this a double hook if possible: ALT1 ... that hangmen brothers William and John Billington formed England's primary execution duo until John fell through an open trapdoor on the gallows and died? - PM800 (talk) 08:27, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Forged composite

• ... that Lamborghini and Callaway Golf Company collaborated to produce forged composite, a composite material that is less dense and more durable than titanium?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

South Sulawesi Campaign

• ... that Raymond Westerling attracted controversy for his role in the South Sulawesi Campaign during the Indonesian National Revolution?

5x created by Andykatib (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Town expedition

• ... that French privateer Pierre LeMoyne d'Iberville died in Havana, Cuba of yellow fever on July 8, 1706, while organizing the Charles Town expedition against present-day Charleston, South Carolina?

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The Truth According to Wikipedia

• ... that Film Quarterly called the documentary The Truth According to Wikipedia "a sharp and wide-ranging overview of wiki-pistemology"?

• Comment: Expanded over 30 times. Compare before with after. Thank you.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

St John the Baptist's Church, Avon Dassett

• ... that St John the Baptist's Church, Avon Dassett, Warwickshire, (pictured), built in 1868, contains a coffin lid inscribed with the effigy of a 13th-century tonsured deacon?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Tel Zeror

• ... that Tel Zeror, an archaeological tel in the Sharon Plain, Israel, was excavated by a Japanese expedition, in the 1960s?

• Comment: first created in my sandbox

Created by Sreifa (talk). Self nom at 17:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Author's last submission had major copyvio problems and had to be rejected. Author declined to discuss these issues at his/her talk and article talk. Suggest that author needs to comment on this problem before his/her work can be placed on main page. The Interior(Talk) 21:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• I didn't "decline to discuss" anything. I fixed the copyvios (another user removed the copyvio tag).--Sreifa (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Curium

• ... that the discovery of chemical element curium was first made public to children?

• Comment: See this ref. Could add a Martian rover pic with another hook, but somehow like this hook better. Please don't wlink chemical element - it is redundant here. Materialscientist (talk) 10:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 10:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Verified, although I think "childrens' quiz program" would be better than just "children" as it would not just be children listening to it. A very well presented article that would make an excellent lead if there was an image for it. Gatoclass (talk) 07:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you please hold this nom for a few days (got an idea to make it a double hook, but there is much work to do for it, started ..). Materialscientist (talk) 09:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Jayakatwang

• ... that the Javanese king Jayakatwang was killed by the invading Mongol troops, originally sent to punish the previous ruler that he had overthrown?

created by Awewe (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

This article is currently short of cites, we require a minimum of one citation per paragraph excluding the intro. Article could also use a copyedit for grammar. Gatoclass (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Somerset House, Park Lane

• ... that the 11th Duke of Somerset renamed 40, Park Lane, as Somerset House, despite the existence of another?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oak Ridge gatehouses

• ... that in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, the guard stations where military police controlled access to atomic facilities are now listed historic properties used for meetings and education?

• Comment: Moved from User space on 15 November 2010

Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Indian People's Front

• ... that the October 1990 mass rally of the communist-led Indian People's Front in Patna was one of the largest demonstrations ever seen in the city?

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Malian Family Code

• ... that the Malian Family Code generated enough controversy that it was sent back to the National Assembly of Mali?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark

• ... that Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark, a Broadway musical adaptation of the Spider-Man comics, has been delayed at least three times?

5x expanded by S.S. Miami (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• The quote is not in the article. Also, the previous hook seems better: many musicals are expensive, and "in years" really isn't quantitatively useful. Yves (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I changed it back --S.S. Miami (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, the article is not new enough and has not been expanded fivefold in the past five days. Yves (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 16

John Henry Keen

• ... that the totem pole (pictured) which welcomes visitors to the British Museum was documented for the museum by Rev. John Henry Keen years before it was purchased?

• Comment: The GLAM/WIKI conference opens at the British Museum on the 26th so an appearance of this article would be good then. As the delegates reach the sign in desk they will see the totem. If anyone is interested in helping to make this a double nom then there is a draft available of the totem pole

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 09:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Teffont Magna

• ... that in the 1930s, the poet Siegfried Sassoon lived at Teffont Magna?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 08:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Nevada City Classic

• ... that previous winners of the Nevada City Classic, the second-oldest bicycle race in the US, include Greg LeMond (1979-81) and Lance Armstrong (2009)?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 07:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Jacques and Berthe Lipchitz

• ... that Amedeo Modigliani was commissioned to paint Jacques and Berthe Lipchitz (pictured) for "ten francs a sitting and a little alcohol"?

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 07:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Armstrong Chapel United Methodist Church

• ... that the foundation stones of Armstrong Chapel (pictured) in Indian Hill, Ohio are held together by earth, rather than by mortar?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 02:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DJ Skitz

• ... that a track on DJ Skitz's debut album was said to do for Highbury Estate, what Mobb Deep and Nas did for Queensbridge?

• ALT1:... that the then-unknown Estelle featured on DJ Skitz's debut album in 2001?
• Comment: This is currently at AfD, but I've 5x expanded it since it was nominated

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Leporinus fasciatus

• ... that, though native to the River Amazon in South America, Leporinus fasciatus has been introduced to the US states of Florida and Hawaii via aquarium releases?

Created by Intelligentsium (talk). Self nom at 00:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Grenade (song)

• ... that Bruno Mars will drag a piano through a city in the music video for "Grenade"?

• ALT1:... that Bruno Mars would drag a piano through a city to catch a grenade for ya?

Created by Yvesnimmo (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 is just a fun one. If this isn't accepted, there are some other facts that could be used from the article: let me know! Yves (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Logistics at the Battle of Pusan Perimeter

• ... that United Nations forces had a decisive advantage in Logistics at the Battle of Pusan Perimeter in the Korean War despite having no pre-established plan for fighting there?

Created by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For 21 November, 25th Sunday after Trinity

Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116

• ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116 contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas?

• Comment: This is meant to appear on 21 November, the 25th Sunday after Trinity for which it was written in 1724, which was the last Sunday after Trinity in 1724 and will be in 2010 - another hook possibility, but I don't know how to word it.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Trying to include it:

ALT1: ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116, for the last Sunday after Trinity, contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think the mention of the last Sunday after Trinity is unnecessary in the hook; stick with version 1, I reckon. Another neat little article, as expected from this contributor. Bencherlite^Talk 14:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

St. Martin, Idstein

• ... that two Cantors conducted performances of Verdi's Messa da Requiem in St. Martin, Idstein (pictured)?

• Comment: because of the Requiem best on 21 November, last Sunday of the liturgical year, when many remember the dead

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Age and size are fine. The closest the article comes to meet the hook is "Messa da Requiem was performed twice by three Idstein choirs". Please amend the hook and/or article. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking so soon. I nominated early not to miss the deadline. The review of the concerts will appear tomorrow, hopefully supporting the details, I will adjust article and hook then, Please wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

• Review added, the line in question reads: "beide teilten sich mit präziser, fein abschattierender Zeichengebung in das Dirigat", "both shared ... in the conducting.", also alternative picture.

ALT1: ... that two conductors shared performances of Verdi's Messa da Requiem in St. Martin, Idstein (pictured)?

Approve ALT1. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

For November 24

Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 ‎

• ... that the Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 takes place across 6 phases and over a month?

5x expanded by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• special nomination for November 24 First expansion on date set, and further addition when results are out on Nov. 24.Lihaas (talk) 12:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination is a little late, but not unreasonably so, so I don't think it should be rejected on that grounds. However, the article is currently significantly undersourced (in the Background and Schedule sections -- we generally seek a minimum of 1 in-line citation per paragraph), the Parties section is marked as needing expansion, and most of the references are bare URLs. Keep in mind also that if this article appears on In The News (for which it seems a good candidate), it will become ineligible for DYK. cmadler (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also, an in-line citation to the appropriate reference is needed immediately following the statement used for the hook. cmadler (talk) 14:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• The nomination seems way too old for me. Its already more than two weeks old, and it might not represent "Wikipedia's newest articles". We should move on to the other nominations. ANGCHENRUI _WP:MSE♨ 07:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get much of a chance to respond to this before it was taken off.

The article was originally put in the "quarantine" for a special date, (and had no replies before i moved it here) where it was nominated within days of its creation in the first place. I wrote the same thing above but for some reason that doesnt seem to have been read. As for the "party" section that will duly be updated on Nov 24 when the results are announced (hence the "special date" not just regular nomination) at which point the electoral commission lists every party that does take part in the election.

The schedule section is wholly sourced, its there in the table. The background section is not sourced here but it is on the respectively linked page. I can move it here if need be. On section that have other pages in the past we have not called for repetitive cites, so i didnt think it necessary.

Its also not ITN as a sub-national election. But a 6-phase election is DYK-able.

I've now answered these queries with cites, etc. (see the page) Lihaas (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

When I removed this, I noted in my edit summary that it had maintenance tags on it. That needs to be resolved ASAP if you wish to resurrect this one. I won't remove it from the queue again but if the issues behind the maintenance tags aren't cleared up in a reasonable amount of time, I expect someone else will. 28bytes (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Ive already explained the expand tag for the parties, which will be gone before it goes up (nominated for Nov 24 when results are out). Theres only 1 other tag, i can take it off now as it was pending a bot addition. No hindrance to the page.

Not really requiring "considerable" work, per the first responder some more work (for obviosu reason), its a maybe right now.

everything is done, except for the part pending results in about 2 weeks.Lihaas (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, in that case we can keep it open. I'll move it to the Special Occasion holding area. 28bytes (talk) 17:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Should i report back when its done, or will the respective review check?Lihaas (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to put an update here when it's done. Feel free to ping my talk page if it's not noticed here, and I'll approve it. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

For December 10

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby

... that M-1 Global's Eastern European Champions Artiom Damkovsky, Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Americas Champion Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) face their Western European Champion counterparts Mairbek Taisumov, Rafał Moks and Guram Gugenishvili for the lightweight, middleweight and heavyweight division championships (respectively) in mixed martial arts today in St. Petersburg? Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Please note: All 6 articles in this hook have been worked on by both nominators in user space, and were moved to article space today. For ease of checking, this link from M-1 Global confirms the match ups and the championships each fighter holds, this link confirms that Grishin was replaced due to injury. Suggestions for alternative (shorter) hooks most welcome, we had trouble coming up with something sufficiently short that mentioned all seven fighters (Taisumov is not a new article). EdChem (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC) More compact hook to consider... EdChem (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) ALT1: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, M-1 Global's mixed martial arts world championships are being decided in the lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) divisions? ALT2: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, MMA bouts will determine M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) Champions? ALT3: * ... that M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) MMA Champions will be determined today in St. Petersburg? In addition to EdChem's comments, I'd like to request the Oct 28, 1p.m. London time slot, due to the event starting at 11.30 EST that day. I think this would give the hook time to ....hook prior to the event starting and also cover a little bit during the event. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Added ALT3 - shorter still, and brings the bolded names close to the start of the hook. I am comfortable with whichever of these the reviewers might feel is most suitable. EdChem (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC) A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Thanks. Please see WT:DYK as myself and EdChem have laid out a proposal concerning this matter. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The goal 6-article hook would be something like:

* ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?

Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.

Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Late December 2010

Cincinnati Riot of 1853

• … that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day?

  This one is entirely Aymatth2's fault, as well. Uncle G (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• ALT:... that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day? {Let's save this hook for use on X'mas.} --174.89.163.171 (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Andrew McKinley, Leon Lishner

• ... that Andrew McKinley, David Aiken, and Leon Lishner created the parts of the three kings in the world premiere of Menotti's Christmas opera Amahl and the Night Visitors which was broadcast live by NBC to an audience of millions on Christmas Eve 1951?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mark Miodownik

• ... that Mark Miodownik will deliver the first part of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures tonight?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

• ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

• ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

• - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
  Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. Silverseren^C 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren^C 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Arsenikk. The Utahraptor^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions} 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!_c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm worried that this is too obviously a matter of giving the FBI the proverbial finger than promoting something encyclopedic. I'm all for criticizing the FBI, but we shouldn't invoke exceptions to basic guidelines just to promote our own POV. It seems far more prudent to pull up your sleeves and make this a quickie FA or get it on "On this day". Peter ^Isotalo 10:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. ALT2 is a better hook than ALT1, but it would be better still on OTD than DYK (it would get more readers that way, as well). Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - ALT1 is just a boost or peacock term on FBI. ALT2 is better, but I did not feel it to be so special to be included in DYK. -- Rajith Mohan ^{(Talk to me..)} 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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