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July 22

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July 22, 2024 (2024-07-22) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of Khan Yunis At least 70 Palestinians are killed and more than 200 others are injured by Israeli tank shelling and airstrikes in Khan Younis Governorate in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) Israel orders mandatory evacuations across the Gaza Strip, including in sections of the heavily populated Al-Mawasi humanitarian zone. (AP) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two soldiers are injured in a Hezbollah rocket strike in northern Israel.(Haaretz) Drones from Lebanon are intercepted by Israeli Iron Dome. (Haaretz) The Israeli parliament votes in favor of classifying UNRWA as a terrorist organization, allowing the motion to undergo supplementary deliberation regarding Israel severing relations with the agency. (Reuters) Somali civil war More than 35 Somali soldiers and more than 80 al-Shabaab militants are killed after al-Shabaab attempts to overrun three army bases near Kismayo, Jubaland. (Reuters) Business and economy Chinese gambling workers in the Philippines Philippine president Bongbong Marcos announces a ban on offshore gaming operations in his State of the Nation Address. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Nine people are killed and twelve others are injured when a bus plunges into a ravine near Tarma, Junín, Peru, after the driver swerves to avoid a collision. (The Mirror) International relations Slovakia–United States relations The U.S. Air Force delivers the first of 14 F-16 Fighting Falcons to the Slovak Air Force as part of a $1.6 billion deal signed in 2018. (Reuters) Belarusian foreign minister Maxim Ryzhenkov is invited to make Belarus's first foreign ministry visit to North Korea regarding cooperation with Russia in conflicts with the Western world. (AP) Law and crime 2023 Sierra Leone coup attempt A high court in Sierra Leone sentences eleven people, including soldiers and police officers, to 40 to 70 years in prison for their roles in the failed military coup last year. (Reuters) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement A court in the United Arab Emirates sentences 57 Bangladeshis to prison, including three to life sentences, for holding protests against the Bangladesh government in the United Arab Emirates, where protesting is illegal. (BBC News) Animal rights in Colombia President of Colombia Gustavo Petro signs into law a bill outlawing bullfighting and ordering all bullrings to be converted into cultural or alternative sporting venues by 2027. (AP) Daruvar shooting Six people are killed and six others are injured in a mass shooting at a nursing home in Daruvar, Croatia. The perpetrator is arrested. (Reuters) A Canadian citizen is shot and killed by Israeli police after he attempts to stab Israeli soldiers and security personnel at the entrance to the Netiv HaAsara moshav, near the border with the Gaza Strip. (Anadolu Agency) A court in Russia sentences Russian-American journalist Alsu Kurmasheva to six and a half years in prison in a secret trial. (DW) Politics and elections Burmese military commander-in-chief Min Aung Hlaing is named acting president of Myanmar after previous acting president Myint Swe takes medical leave. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2024 Summer Olympics French president Emmanuel Macron opens the 142nd IOC Session in Paris. (Francs Jeux)

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July 21

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July 21, 2024 (2024-07-21) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen The death toll from yesterday's Israeli airstrikes on Al Hudaydah, Yemen, increases to six. (Al Jazeera) The Houthis target Eilat, Israel, with multiple ballistic missiles, in response to yesterday's airstrikes in Yemen. (Sky News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Russian forces capture the villages of Andriivka in Luhansk Oblast and Pishchane in Kharkiv Oblast. (Anadolu Agency) (RTL) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement The Supreme Court of Bangladesh reduces the government job quota reserved for families of veterans who fought in the Bangladesh Liberation War from 30% to 5%, leaving 93% of jobs to be allocated on merit and 2% set aside for ethnic minorities, transgender, and disabled people. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Canadian wildfires Wildfires continue to spread in northern Alberta, Canada, prompting emergency evacuations in John D'Or Prairie 215, Fox Lake and Garden River. At least 55 of the 158 active wildfires are reported as "out of control". (Reuters) Six people, including two children, are killed in a multiple-vehicle collision in West Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom. (Sky News) International relations China–Philippines relations, Territorial disputes in the South China Sea The Philippines announces an agreement with China on resupply missions to the beached naval ship Sierra Madre on Second Thomas Shoal in the South China Sea following an incident in June. (The Guardian) Iran–Sudan relations Iran and Sudan receive each other's ambassadors for the first time in eight years, after resuming diplomatic relations in October 2023. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Conscription of yeshiva students Israel begins issuing call-up notices for military conscription to Haredi Jews amid mass protests in Jerusalem. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election Kamala Harris 2024 presidential campaign Incumbent U.S. President Joe Biden announces that he will not seek a second term in office and ends his presidential campaign, while endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee. (NBC News) Several prominent Democrats endorse Kamala Harris for president. (The New York Times) 2024 anti-tourism protests in Spain Thousands of people protest in Palma de Mallorca, Spain, against mass tourism and private jets in the country. (Reuters) Tanzanian president Samia Suluhu Hassan dismisses foreign minister January Makamba and information minister Nape Nnauye, replacing the latter with current housing minister Jerry Silaa. (Reuters) Sports 2024 Formula One World Championship 2024 Hungarian Grand Prix In auto racing, McLaren driver Oscar Piastri wins his first Formula One race at the Hungarian Grand Prix, becoming the first driver born in the 2000s to win a Formula One race. (AP) 2024 Tour de France In cycle sport, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France for the third time in his career. (TSN)

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2024 Tour de France

Article: 2024 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Tadej Pogačar wins the Tour de France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Tour de France, Tadej Pogačar wins the General Classification and Mark Cavendish breaks the record for stage wins.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The article will need a significant amount of more prose before posting. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, wait on quality. BilledMammal (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Added altblurb. There was support when Cavendish broke the record that it was more suitable to be included at the race conclusion rather as a standalone entry.yorkshiresky (talk) 20:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt blurb per previous discussion INTC. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose literally no text about the race in the race article. Needs a thorough rewrite and a lot of race summary added. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. The race win is ITN/R, so post when quality is ready... but absolutely oppose mention of Cavendish. There was no consensus for it when it happened last week and there's no justification for posting it now. If it were to he posted, it should have been when it was in the news, and I and many others opposed it at that time. Certain nobody is talking about that now and while impressive, it's just one of many records that can be set.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Nothing about the race except tables. --Bcp67 (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Open Championship

Article: 2024 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Needs a little bit more prose before posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment I believe a photo of Xander is around. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, I think it's sufficient ATM. BilledMammal (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose There are currently two unsourced paragraphs, and the Final round section doesn't have prose yet. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Joe Biden withdraws from US Presidential race

Article: Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Joe Biden withdraws from the US Presidential race, following weeks of public and private pressure (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic nominee Joe Biden suspends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden suspends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Incumbent President and Democratic presumptive nominee Joe Biden ends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Incumbent President and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden ends his campaign for the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Joe Biden, the incumbent president and the presumptive Democratic nominee, ends his campaign in the 2024 United States presidential election.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Incumbent U.S. President Joe Biden ends his campaign for the Democratic Party's nomination in the 2024 presidential election.
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-81-pulls-out-presidential-race-2024-07-21/
Credits:

• Nominated by BilledMammal (talk · give credit)

BilledMammal (talk) 18:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose would be a bad precedent to set. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  The last time a US president didn't run for a second term was 1968, and a major party presidential candidate has never withdrawn so close to the election date. I doubt this will happen again in our lifetimes, so I'm not worried about setting a precedent. BilledMammal (talk) 18:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Support Alt Blurb II Given that this news around Biden's withdrawal is entirely unprecedented (closest to 1968), and has huge implications in global politics, I support posting Alt Blurb II on account of its simplicity and least biased statement. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  @AirshipJungleman29 Please elaborate on what precedent this would set? Alexysun (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly. How would putting something like this in ITN set a bad precedent excatly? Luke0821 (talk) 00:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose While heavily in the news, this isn't quite on the same standard for ITN. Very rarely are non-ITN/R political stories posted, as the "real story" goes towards the ultimate result of the election. (which is already ITN/R regardless of outcome) (retracted) Nottheking (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support a rare event and highly consequential. 2A02:908:676:E640:85EF:EB52:F945:7238 (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support an extremely unique occurrence in our time. Polyamorph (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support The last time a president chose not to run for a second term was in 1968, this event has potential to change the outcome of this election cycle, for better or worse.

CallMeVbuck (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Johnson only pulled out when he almost lost the NH primary... Biden won all primaries except for AS, this might be the first time ever when a candidate for a major party had the delegates to be named the nominee... and then drop out. Scu ba (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As he had yet to be selected as the Democratic candidate (it was only presumptive), this is not really that significant of a story in terms of how we treat elections. --Masem (t) 18:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  There were no other candidates against him. This is historically unprecedented. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support First time in generations, maybe even ever, where the incumbent president drops out of their re-election bid after winning almost all the primaries and having enough delegates to be named the nominee.Scu ba (talk) 18:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Alt II, it is the most accurate and does the least editorializing. This is pretty huge, and has massive implications. Lunsel (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Alt II as well; better than the initial blurb I threw together. BilledMammal (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually, support Alt IV; "ends" is clearer than "suspends". BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I've moved that wording over my alt3; I pasted from alt1 instead of alt2 accidentally amidst edit conflicts, and accidentally left out "presumptive". —Cryptic 18:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I see there is now a new Alt IV; I support either Alt IV or Alt III. BilledMammal (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I would now also support alt IV Lunsel (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support very notable twist in the election cycle. We're reporting on the president not seeking re-election only four months before it, not some minor candidate dropping out of the race, so there's no worry of "precedent" here. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt II - Clearly an ITN-worthy blurb. Jusdafax (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support This is huge. Not just in American terms but also global terms. Very consequential and will definitely change the entire outcome of the election, as most Democrats were opposed to Biden to begin with. TwistedAxe [contact] 18:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support noteworthy development in 2024 US politics backed up by a well-sourced article. –Vuccala (talk) 18:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Notable, and rare, event. This is Paul (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Historical event. TheInevitables (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per BilledMammal. It's not about Biden not running - it's the timing. This all comes down one month from the DNC's nominating convention and very likely will throw a real wrench in things as far as the larger election goes. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I'm also partial to Alt II. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Navel-gazing about who is and isn't running for office is a particular country is not ITN-worthy. We will post the result of the upcoming election - a post about a candidate not running in the election is not necessary, and presumably it would never be seriously considered for any other country. Chrisclear (talk) 18:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  What's the proof that we wouldn't post such a story from another country under the same circumstances? DarkSide830 (talk) 18:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  how is this navel-gazing TheLoyalOrder (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support It has been more than 50 years since the last time an eligible incumbent president didn't ran for the office so it is an pretty historic event. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 18:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Agree with DarkSide. New York Times says that "No sitting president has dropped out of a race so late in the election cycle in American history". Lazman321 (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: It's news, It's important (means 100% chance new President on January 20), it's sourced. That's all we need _pbp 18:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support This is in the news. Boom. That is all. Lukt64 (talk) 18:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support - was going to nominate, though I could also see waiting until the convention being viable (even though it's certain that Kamala will be the nominee). — Knightoftheswords 18:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support - it's ridiculous that there would be any debate on this - as this is going to be the top news story on every major global newspaper tomorrow, English language or not. It's already the top headline right now on nearly every news site that regularly updates its content. Colipon+(Talk) 18:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. --Bedivere (talk) 18:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• +Alt3. "Suspends" is misleading jargon here; its plain meaning is to halt something temporarily, and there isn't any question whether he'll do an about-face and resume his campaign. Let's just use "ends" like Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign does. —Cryptic 18:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC) (The later alt4 is also acceptable. —Cryptic 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC))
• Strong Oppose Internal American politics. We would never post anything like this for any other country. We have enough systemic bias on the project. We post elections results, not ongoing developments in campaigns. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  If Macron, for example, had withdrawn from the 2022 French Presidential elections at a similar point I think we would have posted him - and other countries, like Britain, would see us posting by default, as a PM withdrawing during an election would result in a new PM. BilledMammal (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree and seriously doubt we would have posted Macron dropping out. We did not post Angela Merckle's decision to retire, When the election results are in, we can post them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Merkel decided to retire three years prior to the next election - if her decision was as last minute as this one, I think we would have posted it. BilledMammal (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Merkel was never in the running for the CDU's leadership election in 2021. If you like, you could say she had dropped out in 2018. I'd say over two years is substantialy more notice than one month. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support. The last time this happened with an Incumbent president was in the 1960s. I don't see this not making headlines around the world. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt4 This is a historic event which will have a major impact on the election. The fact that this is a national event in no way lessens its significance. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Strong support, presumptive Dem nominee and incumbent president withdraws very late into the election year Personisinsterest (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — U.S.-centric news. This nomination should be the second withdrawn today. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC

  This hasn't happened in 60+ years. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  With the exception of Pope Benedict XVI, name a single country where we blurbed a head of state/government's decision to stand down. We didn't do it with Angela Merckle, and we didn't do it with the former PM of New Zealand. This is a glaring example of the very strong systemic bias that exists on Wikipedia. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  the world is systemically biased towards America. That's just the reality of hegemonic politics. There's a reason this is instant headline news everywhere in the world. LocoTacoFever (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  So start doing it? This sounds like an editor bias, not a news bias. I would totally support something that hasn't happened in 50+ years with politics. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  David Cameron, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Shinzo Abe (It was four years ago, so I wouldn't expect you to remember, but you actually nominated this one!) BilledMammal (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

These are resignations, not campaign suspensions. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Joe Biden has not resigned as president. If he were to do so, I would support that nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

You did ask for resignations It's also very difficult to find circumstances equivalent to this, where a leader withdrew their candidacy in the middle of an election but did remained in office until their term concluded. Vaguely similar might be Tony Blair, whose announcement that he would step down in a year we posted. BilledMammal (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Ardern’s resignation in 2023 was posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Strong support, Incumbent leader of the free world calls it quits.Not sure if his endorsed VP is presidential material but that's another tale. CoatCheck (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

He's not the 'leader of the free world'. Nobody elected the US to be overlord of other nations. It's a ridiculous bit of cold-war posturing that makes a mockery of the freedom of other nations. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The phrase [still acknowledged due to the U.S. role leading Western countries militarily, culturally and economically.] Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

If other nations aren't free to choose this mythic 'leader of the free world', in what sense are they free? How the hell do you have an unelected leader of world democracy? It's piffle. It's about as real a title as 'king of pop', and we oughtn't to indulge it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

You are free to think what you wish about the use of this phrase, but that doesn't change the fact that many RS use it. 331dot (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

My point is that it's a jingoistic peacock term with no basis in fact, and CoatCheck's use of it in their 'support' argument shouldn't count for anything. We can all use fancy terms of unsupported praise for the subjects of nominated articles, if we really want to, but it shouldn't have any bearing on whether the story gets posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, consider a comparative headline in another country and most wouldn't consider blurbing. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the assassination attempt wasn't up on ITN even 3 days and now this? It's politics inside a single political party. R or D primaries don't get featured on ITN. Political assassinations do, and the last one didn't even last 3 days. 2A02:2F05:1000:6700:5A9:2759:BC9A:5403 (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  We do not control the news cycle, so cannot guarantee how long something will be posted. Curbon7 (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait until we've sourced everything. This has made worldwide headlines, and is likely the latest withdrawal in U.S. history. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Absolutely monumental impact This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support: It is centered around American politics, yes, but it is a huge development that inherently recontextualizes the entire election & geopolitical landscape. Likewise, nothing like it has ever happened in this country's history before. BOTTO _(T•C) 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  It already did happen. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: it's the first item on the front page of Le Monde diplomatique, The Times of London, Der Spiegel, The South China Morning Post, and The Times of India. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Also the Toronto Star, El Pais, Al Jazeera, the BBC... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

There is no publication called 'The Times of London'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Jeez louise, they posted the link. No reason to be so pedantic. Kicking222 (talk) 21:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support ITN wouldn't normally include incumbents not contesting an election, but this story clearly is extremely notable and will be something the average reader may be looking for. Worth noting that one of the purposes of ITN is "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news." With that being said, we should perhaps wait a little bit to settle on a blurb and polish the target article. Gust Justice (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is similar to the announcement of the resignation of Boris Johnson, which we posted. Biden is now a lame duck and that's significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

If Biden resigned, that would be a different situation. Withdrawing a nomination is not the same as resigning. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Johnson stayed in post as PM for months after the announcement but the intent to step down was significant, as it has been in other such cases. See lame duck (politics) which explains the effect of such announcements. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: theleekycauldron gave good reasons, it's obviously the #1 news story everywhere else. No good reason to not cover it here. Blurb should say "ends" not "suspends" per NYT website top headline "BIDEN DROPS OUT OF 2024 RACE". ☆ Bri (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support - This moment has a significant impact on world politics, and it unprecedented for an American president to drop out of the race this soon before an election. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose He’s not resigning as president but just announcing his intent not to run for a second term in an election in which he would be a clear underdog according to most opinion polls in the swing states. Similar things regularly happen around the globe, so we really don’t need to set a precedent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I see you've brought back your pyschic knowledge of what is going to happen (or would have been going to happen) later in the campaign once again. Can we stick to the facts, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the facts clearly tell that he’s faring bad in the swing states, and that’s even well documented in this article. If your “facts” are different, you’re invited to correct the mistakes in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - He's not stepping down as president, so this is about the internal workings of a single political party. We didn't announce when Keir Starmer became Leader of the Opposition, but only when he became Prime Minister. While not exactly parallel, this is a similar situation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• + Blurb V: Joe Biden is the subject of the sentence so his name should appear at the start of the sentence, rather than with a wordy explanation of his position. –Vuccala (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Its bolded article Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election is at afd, so can't be posted here until that's resolved. —Cryptic 19:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Stronger Support Of course! A major turning point in the race, a race which some consider to be one of the most important, if not the most important in American History! As user @AirshipJungleman29 pointed out, this has not happened since 1968. An incumbent president not even seeking re-election! Of course, a major event happening today in which the most powerful political office in the world has had a major shakeup. How is this not WAY more notable than that Vietnamese politician dying (R.I.P)? I say it must be included, no doubt about it. Jayson (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

But we would normally only post the outcome of that race. ITN is not generally concerned with the internal mechanisms of political races. We didn't post the calling of the French snap election, nor the formation of the NFP alliance to contest it, nor the outcome of the first round. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

For context, that Vietnamese politician was the current de facto leader of Vietnam, so his death had much more direct implications. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt5, and if the bolded article gets deleted support alt2. Historic event, clearly unprecedented. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 19:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  How is this unprecedented? What about Johnson, most recently. Nfitz (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - you have to be frigging kidding me. Just because it happened in the USA, doesn't make it ITN. And if it was ITN, why didn't we nominate when this happened in ANY other country. Nfitz (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  If Biden doesn't complete his term (that still lasts into 2025) then that would be ITN. Nfitz (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)!

Slightly Oppose I sort of understand the reason to post, since there has already been a lot about Biden running to continue his term (including a presidential debate), however, since he didn’t accept the nomination already, he technically wasn’t the party’s candidate yet. Plus, as mentioned, he’s not resigning, he’s just not continuing. If it was a resignation or a removal from power, it would be important. This isn’t a major change on the world stage, it’s only a change for the US. Kybrion (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Internal American politics. Not appropriate for ITN. If any other country's leader chose to not run for re-election, and somebody made this nomination, it would have been WP:SNOW.Melmann 19:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Sets a bad precedent by having too much domestic politics be featured. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose "Potential candidate steps away from standing for election", really not that important in general. We wouldn't do the same if the British PM opted not to stand, so no sense in doing it for Sleepy Joe. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I strongly agree. And we should not have posted when Boris Johnson announced his resignation (but only when he actually went), and I have no desire to repeat that error here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Joe Biden wasn't just a "Potential candidate". He already won the primary elections and was the presumptive nominee. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

But we don't post the outcomes of the primaries. We don't post the outcomes of the party conventions. We post the outcome of the election, and this isn't that. This is an internal party matter. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose seriously not. Domestic politics and another political drama. Per milionth time, this is not a news ticket, this is not a NYT headlines, and this us not USApedia. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  This has made headlines across the globe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  And? This is not a Breaking News ticket. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Oppose By itself, being domestic politics doesn't automatically mean it shouldn't be featured at ITN (see WP:ITNCDONT, Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one). However, if it happened in another country, it would very much not have been blurbed, as it is one more campaign development rather than a definitive result, so posting it would risk reinforcing the Euro-American bias already present on ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Chaotic Enby: I'm struggling to think of any other country this - a leader withdrawing their candidacy during the election campaign, but remaining in power until the end of their term - has happened in. The closest I can think of is John Howard announcing at the start of the 2007 Australian election that if he won he would immediately step down and make Peter Costello prime minister, but even that isn't quite the same thing, as he was still running from Prime Minister.

  I genuinely think that we would post this for any country in the G20, at the very least.

  (Also, it's clearly snowing, so while it might seem I'm debating the merits of this proposal, I'm actually using this as an excuse to try to find similar events) BilledMammal (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  François Hollande announcing in December 2016 (less than five months before the 2017 French presidential election) that he would not run for his own reelection. That came as a massive surprise, even though Hollande was already polling very low at the time. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I considered that (we didn't post it - it wasn't even nominated), but it wasn't quite as last minute as this, with the Socialists having time to hold a primary. BilledMammal (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support The political equivalent of Michael Jordan stepping back from basketball at the peak of his career. We are truly on the most interesting timeline. Schierbecker (talk) 19:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
  • We don't post sports retirements in the first place. — Masem (t) 19:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

    We posted several, to be honest. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

    We have. Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar. 331dot (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Event is clearly "In the News". BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Per User:Theleekycauldron this is front page breaking news worldwide. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. This important development is clearly going to be the most significant event reported worldwide today, by a wide margin. Frankly, the idea that we might even consider omitting it from our "in the news" section would be met with confusion, disbelief, and scorn if it were suggested anywhere else than on this page. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per WP:IAR. Yes it's pre-election news, yes it's to do with candidacy, but it's undoubtedly the biggest news and it's what people are looking for. BBC News on television is frozen on this story ever since it broke, so it's hardly a parochial US story (I don't know on what planet the US president is a local-only story). Don't tell me that people are also looking for Taylor Swift or the latest Netflix releases, this is undoubtedly not the same tihng. This involves the incumbent president, it is extremely late in the electoral cycle, making it unprecedented as to what happens next. To my knowledge, the last time the incumbent pulled out was LBJ, who did so very early in the primaries, thus allowing the Democrats to elect their candidate the standard way. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not remotely ITN material, this would set a terrible precedent for posting news ticker material. I was unsure if this would be nominated or not, I thought someone might try it and it would be SNOW closed quickly, so genuinely gobsmacked to see this with support. We'll post the US election when the winner is known in November, but other than that we do not post details of the primaries and candidate selection and other minutiae. Do not post.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn’t qualify this as minutiae. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Well, it's rendered more newsworthy because of the last-minute decision and the will-he-won't-he speculation of the last few weeks. Everyone's talking about the story now. But ultimately, objectively it's just a detail in the candidate selection process for the election. If Biden had chosen not to run back in January, would we have posted that? If Trump were to unexpectedly pull out now, would we post that? He's not standing down as president. I just think anything about the internals of an election is, from the point of view of ITN, minutiae.

• Support though strongly suggest alt blurb that includes the endorsement of Harris. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support This is a significant event that's not happened in modern history. Alt blurb II is the most accurate. TheSavageNorwegian 20:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Oops. The reporting is about "ending" his campaign, not suspending it. I'm sure technically it will be suspended for campaign finance rules, but if everyone and everywhere is saying "ended" than we should say it too. TheSavageNorwegian 20:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support This is the biggest news of the week by far globally, will be talked about for decades to come in historical and political circles, and there has never been an incumbent, eligible American president declining to run for reelection in the age of the internet. RPH (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - In ten years, today will be noted as merely an important-ish moment during the 2024 US presidency, of which there were several, but Biden is still the president, that isn't changing anytime soon (hopefully). ITN should be reserved for hugely significant moments. And I don't think what happened today qualifies. For the US, certainly, but Wikipedia is Wikipedia for everyone. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  WP:Notcrystallball. How can you say it won't be considered important?

  Maybe it will be considered very important for history of US. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support If he'd just decided not to run for a second term, this would not be ITN-worthy. It would just be tired old man do as he said and don't run again. But this late in the race, with all the mess and waves this makes, it will affect not just the US. Most of the world is watching too. Cart (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability. Unprecedented situation in State regarding circumstances and very very rare. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Very important news not only for the United States, but for the international community. It radically changes the course of the world's most important election. Notorious enough to be in 'In the News'.

Hume42 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support The last incumbent to drop out was Lyndon B. Johnson, more than 50 years ago. This has the potential to really shake up US politics in the long term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximumMangoCloset (talk • contribs)
• Weak oppose While major internal US politics, it's still fundamentally internal US politics that would not be covered if this were any other country. Windfarmer — talk 20:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Windfarmer1799 I think you have the opinion that all countries need to be treated equally on Wikipedia, but I vehemently disagree. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Oh and let me just add that the United States is the 2nd largest democracy in the world. I arrived at this conclusion because it is the 3rd largest country by population in the world, with China and India above it in population and China is not a democracy and does not run direct elections. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support top news story globally. As noted above, ITN has posted when Prime Ministers announce they are stepping down but remaining a caretaker until their replacement is determined. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• I to IV; this should not link to the withdrawal article, which should be merged to the main campaign page. Reywas92^Talk 20:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - US-centric internal politics. If this was happening in any other country, "incumbent who has been in power for only 4 years declines to run again due to health concerns" is just an event in an election cycle. This event is very important to one country, one that just happens to be over represented on this website. Those who are saying "this has never happened before" or "last time this happened was in the 1960s" are assuming the reader implicitly agrees that elections in other countries don't count. BugGhost🦗👻 20:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Bugghost I think you have the opinion that all countries need to be treated equally on Wikipedia, but I vehemently disagree. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh and let me just add that the United States is the 2nd largest democracy in the world. I arrived at this conclusion because it is the 3rd largest country by population in the world, with China and India above it in population and China is not a democracy and does not run direct elections. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is very clearly "in the news". Additionally, the last time this occurred was with Lyndon B. Johnson, 56 years ago. It is clearly a very rare thing and sets a precedent not only for the USA but also for the international community. IncompA 21:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose I'm not really convinced of the significance of this. If he were resigning as president I would surely support, but withdrawing from an election isn't really any more significant than the results of primaries or other internal party matters which aren't ever posted, only the result of the actual election. I don't think there's much reason to believe the course of the election will radically change with a Trump victory still most likely. Out of 195 countries in the world I'm sure there's frequent "never happened before/rarely happens in this country's politics" moments. Being "in the news" isn't enough for ITN - otherwise it would end up a celebrity news ticker --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Absoutely NOT - We post the result of the election, not the processes or incidents that get us there. -- KTC (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. We wouldn't post when he was formally selected as nominee by the DNC, so we equally shouldn't post that he won't be. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

We posted such an incident just a week ago – the shooting at a Trump election rally. The claim that we only post election results is clearly false. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Candidates being shot at is not part of the electoral process! It was an assassination attempt, and we (rightly) posted the attempted assassination if Robert Fico earlier this year. Its newsworthiness was only tangentially related to the fact that it happened at a rally. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

No, the shooting story was big because of its effect on the campaign. It's one of the reasons that Biden has now withdrawn --it highlighted the apparent difference in the candidates' vigour. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I see your point but the assassination attempt was featured because of the nature of the event being an assassination attempt on a major political figure as opposed to its effect on the campaign. No doubt it helped Trump but it was not the subject of the event. Joecompan (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Says who? There is no policy. Seems like your opinion. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - ITN is not normally for internal workings of political campaigns. We shouldn't make an exception in this case either. --Mika1h (talk) 21:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  This is not an "internal working" of a campaign. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

It absolutely is. The presumptive nominee doesn't let his name go forward to the national convention. That's entirely the internal workings of a party's campaign. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is. More than evident. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Understating this event to be an "internal workings of political campaigns" is an extremely rigid worldview. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support. This is either ITN or it isn't. This is in the news and is historically rare. 331dot (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Biden’s withdrawal is internal party politics. Including this should also then warrant inclusion of DNC candidate next month, which we obviously shouldn't do. — hako9 (talk) 21:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  People trying to gauge what's important by analyzing this directly miss the whole point of Wikipedia. We're supposed to look at reliable sources for guidance wherever possible. This isn't newsworthy or not newsworthy because it's an internal political event or a major U.S. story – it's newsworthy because it's in the news. All over the world. Right now. That's the only metric that really matters. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Except we do not base postings primarily how many sites have a story on their front page, see WP:ITNATA. -Mika1h (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  you could pretty easily eliminate the "internal politics" objection as an argument that deals with the appropriateness of topics in general but also ignores the specific story being discussed, so ITNATA would disqualify most of the arguments in this thread. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Announcement to withdraw a few months back would also have the same world ramifications and the same amount of headlines, but wouldn't have the overwhelming ITN inclusion concensus. Since it's closer to the dnc now, the significance is limited to higher likelihood of Trump winning as Andrew points below. And if that's the only factor, we shouldn't include this. — hako9 (talk) 22:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just an internal matter because Biden is the incumbent. His lame duck status now reduces his clout when dealing with other countries. And the announcement also affects the likelihood of Trump becoming president again which also influences international relations. That's why the rest of the world is taking such an interest in this (unlike Nepal or Rwanda). Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Do Nepal or Rwanda not have international relations? BugGhost🦗👻 22:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Considering that Rwanda's GDP is a measly 13.31 billion USD and Nepal's GDP is also a measly 40.83 billion USD, I would say they don't have much say in international relations. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Joe Biden is the incumbent US president who already won the nomination after the primaries. The DNC (and RNC) are just ceremonial events . NamelessLameless (talk) 00:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support The president of the United States is in the middle of a re-election campaign, about 3 and half months before election, when he stops this campaign and announces he will not seek re-election. It is a significant event in world politics, because the U.S. president is an important figure in world politics. Would not be that significant if it concerned a country with lesser military and political influence. Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 21:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Even though I am coming to more philosophical views on ITN's purpose and what non-regular-user readers are quickly looking for, there isn't much to say about this except it happened. In more conventional !vote argument territory, we do not post when the parties select their candidates, and this is effectively just one part of that process and inherently less notable within the whole election. It could also create precedent for posting whenever an incumbent leader says they will not be seeking re-election, an often nothingburger of a story. Kingsif (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support A U.S. president stepping down from the election just months away from when it’s going to occur is a very rare event and deserves coverage. Hungry403 (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support with Alternative blurb IV. This is the first of such an occurrence since 1968. Just as Trump's assassination made ITN, so too should Biden's withdrawal from the race. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Very clearly high in the news everywhere and to me that is what is important. Rhino131 (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is an intra-party issue and internal American politics. There has been no election and no resignation. As others have noted, we would never post anything like this for any other country. It's time to put out money where our mouth is on systemic bias. (Arguments like "It has been more than 50 years since..." or "notable, and rare, event" or "an extremely unique occurrence in our time" alone seem pretty weak.) —  AjaxSmack  22:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Unprecedented in modern times. A clearly notable current event with potentially massive ramifications. GWA88 (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not "unprecedented in modern times", it happened in France in 2017 (which did not receive a ITN then either) BugGhost🦗👻 22:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Clearly it is unprecedented in the United States. Ludicrous (talk) 22:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Fillon and Macron where on completely different parties. This analogy makes no sense. Scu ba (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I was referring to to Incumbent president François Hollande of the Socialist Party (PS) was eligible to run for a second term, but declared on 1 December 2016 that he would not seek reelection in light of low approval ratings, making him the first incumbent head of state of the Fifth Republic not to seek reelection, which happened five months before the election. BugGhost🦗👻 23:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  yeah but Hollande didn't campaign for months and drop out just days before his parties convention. Scu ba (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Gigantic news for sure, but I really don’t think we’d be posting this if it wasn’t the USA, and that’s not good enough for me. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Gigantic news for sure, but I really don’t think we’d be posting this if it wasn’t the most powerful country on the planet yeah okay dude Scu ba (talk) 23:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  US politics have wide-ranging repercussions on the rest of geopolitics as a whole. It is hardly surprising that this is world news. This isn't a US-centric, favored news story by any means. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 23:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  I think we're here to post "Gigantic news for sure". Bremps... 00:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Whether or not there is precedent, one must acknowledge the global political influence of this event. This one is a no-brainer. Ludicrous (talk)
• Weak support I get the argument that it was an event in the lead up to the election which is why I am not fully supportive of it, however I believe that it is notable due to the nature of this election cycle being so widely covered internationally. News outlets everywhere have been talking about how Biden has stepped down and even in the lead up to it most major international news outlets were publishing articles about his current state. Joecompan (talk) 22:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's a significant event which has global implications. Blurb IV reads well. --Voyager 1 Low Battery Alert (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral Yes it has significant global implications, but so did other events that fail to get posted. This also happened 56 years ago, or 14 election cycles ago. I’m not going to oppose it but this is a bit UScentric.108.58.27.76 (talk) 23:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per KTC and Mika1. Sharrdx (talk) 23:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support It’s the 1st time that an American presidential candidate has withdrawn after securing enough delegates to win their party’s nomination, so it’s a unique event. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Many if not most national news organizations around the world will mention this event, as it is an impactful. This fits "in the news" criteria. -- IlyaHaykinson (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support alt2 or alt3 To anyone who thinks this does not have an effect beyond US borders, consider this: this may result with Donald Trump being re-elected. Do you think that won't have world-wide repercussions? -- llywrch (talk) 23:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support some blurb, and this is not being posted as an electoral result, it is being posted as news. The literal top story across the entire god damn world lol. Israel is at war and it’s the top story at Haaretz (Hebrew and English) and Times of Israel for example. Top story at Le Monde (English and French). Top story at Corriere della Sera (Italian). This is very obviously in the news, the article is well developed. This is a no brainer. nableezy - 00:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Support per this comment. Bremps... 00:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Seems like a case of systemic bias. Someone who was hoping to become his party's nominee is no longer running for the nomination; this is a couple steps removed from the election itself. It's hard to imagine we would be considering this for ITN if it happened in any other country. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 00:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Mx. Granger "hoping to become his party's nominee is no longer running for the nomination". This is an extreme understatement. He had no one against him, he is the incumbent. The fact he would have became the party's nominee was a forgone conclusion. Until he was pressured to drop out that is, but if he wanted to continue he would have got the nomination. NamelessLameless (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support (slight preference for Alternative blurb VI, but all are acceptable) for what I'd hope would be obvious reasons. This is a not-quite-but-almost unique event in American politics. Incumbent presidents generally don't drop out at the 11th hour. Joe (talk) 00:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Big news world wide. That should be the only criterion for ITN. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, this is a very unusual development in a political race of international importance, and is receiving wide coverage both inside and outside the US. I would support either blurb V or VI, there should be a link to Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election. Tisnec (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  I'll second that we should include a link to the Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election page. Joe (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The Afd has ended, so we can link it now. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC) That page currently is at Afd. Until that ends, we cannot link it in the blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200: AFD has been closed as “no consensus possible”. The article is now eligible for ITN. DrewieStewie (talk) 01:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Support due to media coverage. ITN/R doesn't cover this, but well, this isn’t exactly common occurrence. Juxlos (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As a matter of principle, I do not think we should be posting ITN matters on the basis of American exceptionalism/chauvinism. At the end of the day, this is a matter of intra-party political campaigning. Curbon7 (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per previous commenters. In my opinion American internal politics are generally given undue weight on the front page and this is just another example.David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 01:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Whether people like it or not this has never happened in American history. Presidents have had their heads blown off. Presidents have died in office. Presidents have lost re-elections. Presidents have chosen not to seek re-election when their term ends… but never suspended their campaign 4 months before the election completely changing the entire election itself. Yes this is ITN. Trillfendi (talk) 01:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• The contents of the "Purpose" section at WP:ITN, reproduced for convenient reference (emphasis is mine):

To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events.
To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource.

I note that this appears to me to lack such objectives as, "Taking some kind of stand that, people on the English-language Internet focus on US politics and current events too much (a perhaps relevant observation here is that the US is by far the most-populous country where English is the dominant first language) and therefore, to Send A Message we pointedly are going to refuse taking note of those things at times. However we're not going to tell you, the general public who has no idea about the 'back rooms and hallways' of the project where decisions get made, that this is in fact what we are doing. Thus any of you showing up at the main page, might scratch your heads briefly thinking it's a bit curious that one section there doesn't mention that, but hey whatever there's probably some issue with the site or something", before hitting your favorite search engine to seek more information on the topic.

I also note a lack of such purposes as, "Not mentioning the 'internal processes' and events which lead up to a general election in a country, but solely noting the ultimate outcome, to convey some sort of message that the final outcome is the only thing people ought to focus on". Or, that, "Domestic political events are not a matter of concern to ITN and its readers". I confess I find this reasoning especially perplexing: are not all elections and changes of government within a single country, definitionally, "domestic political events"? About the only political occurences ITN would note under this standard would be international ones, such as elections to the European Parliament and those within transnational bodies such as the United Nations and African Union. A consistent application of this principle seems to me to extend well beyond things like elections; if a civil war broke out in the US tomorrow, the same principle, to me, would seem to logically imply ITN making no mention of that as well, it being purely a domestic political squabble. (The lead sentence of civil war: A civil war[a] is a war between organized groups within the same state (or country).) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Support: This is clearly a unique event, and we shouldn't bind ourselves to conventions. I can understand why we don't want to document every campaign event, but this isn't just some candidate dropping out. The incumbent US president and presumptive Democratic nominee dropped out after the primary process, later than any presidential nominee in history. This is a monumental shift in US politics. Use common sense. BappleBusiness^[talk] 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: In Argentina we have seen even weirder things happen, such as the likely candidate Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (basically, the local Trump) refusing to run in 2019 at the last minute and appointing instead a candidate with a tweeter post... a candidate that, up to that point, was a vocal critic of her. And in 2023, the president refused to run for reelection (just like Biden now) and the candidate was instead Sergio Massa... the minister of economy of a country just about to fall to hyperinflation, running for president (and he even had chances). And none of that circus was featured ITN. I doubt either was even proposed, because it would be a SNOW close. In comparison, what Biden is doing here is trivial. Cambalachero (talk) 01:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  ^^^^^ This... -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support Let's not kid ourselves. This is NOT a run-of-the-mill campaign event. This is an unprecedented development that will shake the news cycle in the U.S. and around the world for the next week at least. I am honestly surprised that people are willing to let it slip because of a mere technicality. Zelkia1101 (talk) 01:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support: Very notable event that the president of the United States decides midway through the campaign to drop out of the election. The last time this happened was in 1968. --A.S. Brown (talk) 02:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Per most of the supports above. Top news at the moment, and very unusual for an incumbent U.S president to not run for reelection. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose proposed blurbs for now. Reading the above comments, it seems that a majority of supporters and American Wikipedians have to explain the timing, context, and detailed procedures of the US presidential election system in order to argue why this is significant for ITN. Because reading the proposed blurbs at face value, that significance is not really clear to those who currenty oppose or who are non-American Wikipedians. That is a bad sign. A more lengthy blurb would thus be required to include this level of detail--much longer than what would normally be on ITN I'm afraid. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  As someone who, not to toot own horn but, would judge myself pretty knowledgeable regarding US politics and government (hey ask me what I got on the AP US History exam ), a simple "Joe Biden, the incumbent president, withdraws from the 2024 election" is completely fine and accurately descriptive. Omit needless words: one important property of a blurb is it's supposed to be brief. Folks he is not going to now mount a new third party campaign (and if he actually does, we can blurb that as well if it gets sufficient news attention). If readers want more details that's why the links in the blurb are there, for said readers to follow to articles containing details. The links aren't there to just break up the monotony by splashing a little color around the text.

  Unfortunately as generally occurs with any Potentially Controversial Topic where people have differing views (such as, what to write in sn ITN item), "consensus decision-making" fails here to bikeshedding: people express fifty different irreconcilable wishes of their own—there can only be one single blurb text and it's not going to be, every desired blurb all mashed together so everyone is happy—and thus without one or more people given power to make a binding decision, no one does anything and so status quo inertia "wins" by default. (And thus, all the people favoring that; "we should not do X and should do nothing" is a position just as much as "let's do X" is!) That is why every admin is cowering in a hole right now, because they all know if they post any blurb they will promptly have the anger of dozens of people displeased with their action trained upon them. Suggestion: perhaps a panel of three or so admins ought to take on making a decision on this ITM candidate, and all providing their rationale somewhere in public. Slowking Man (talk) 02:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

  Timing is a key factor in a vast majority of news, is it not? The reason for notability is time. Comparing to 1968, as mentioned previously, LBJ dropped out months before the Democratic Party's nominating convention. That's news, but is the sort of "interparty politics" that we wouldn't post here. But it's really not interparty politics when we can reasonably conclude that whoever is nominated by the Democrats was/is going to finish at least 2nd, possibly 1st in the election. This has the potential to be a massive shake-up, and at minimum is not something that has happened before. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support This is front-page news for Le Monde, The Guardian, the Sydney Morning Herald, the BBC and El Pais, and those are the only ones I bothered to check. All of them are running this as their main story. People saying that this is internal party politics in one country are missing the point. This is a momentous occasion in world politics, not just American politics. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 02:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support The section is called In The News, and not just is this in the news, it IS the news, period. Everyone saying "internal US politics" is ignoring the fact that it's the top story everywhere else on Earth, too. -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose In the end what matters is who wins the election. Call the scenario where Biden does not withdraw and Trump wins "Scenario A". Biden withdraws now, and (presumably) Harris becomes nominee. Trump wins anyway. Would the result be different from Scenario A? If not, then I don't see why this is worth posting. Banedon (talk) 02:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support A very unusual and important event that is front page news almost everywhere. Noah, BSBA^Talk 02:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted a shortened alt6: In my view, the arguments that support posting this news have made much stronger points than those in opposition. I was particularly swayed by those who pointed out that this decision has had truly substantial coverage around the world in some of the world's largest news outlets thanks to its ability to impact a large number of countries, all of which speak to WP:ITNSIGNIF. I would also highlight Slowking Man's ruminations about WP:ITNPURPOSE and how they relate to this story. Conversely, I did not see many strong arguments in opposition—especially from those who opposed this based on it relating to a single country, which contravenes the a very explicit bullet point in WP:ITNDONT. In addition to all that, while this is a consensus-gathering dicussion, but pure numbers approach 2:1 in support (I counted 73 supports, including the nominator, vs. 34 opposes; please forgive me if I'm off by one or two.) Finally, the article currently has a single clarification needed tag, which is not major enough to prevent posting. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

To the blurb itself: I shortened it to focus on Biden withdrawing from the entire campaign, as that got the news across without what I saw as unnecessary complexity. I have of course no objection to any modification proposals here, if soon, or at WP:ERRORS if later. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

July 20

Portal:Current events/2024 July 20

July 20, 2024 (2024-07-20) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 39 Palestinians are killed and 54 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) (Anadolu Agency) Red Sea crisis 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen In response to the prior day's Houthi drone attack on Tel Aviv, Israeli airstrikes hit oil refineries and power stations in the Yemeni port of Al Hudaydah, killing six people and injuring over eighty others. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Four civilians injured in an IDF strike on a Hezbollah ammunition depot in south Lebanon. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign Five people, including a child, are killed in Russian missile strikes on Mykolaiv and Kherson, Ukraine. (Euronews) (The Moscow Times) Insurgency in the Maghreb Twelve soldiers are killed during an attack by JNIM gunmen against a military base in Kpékankandi, Togo. Forty attackers are neutralized. (LSi) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement The death toll from the ongoing protests in Bangladesh increases to 110 people. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 China floods At least 12 people are killed and 31 others are missing when a bridge collapses due to flash flooding in Zhashui County, Shaanxi, China. (CNN) At least 16 people are killed and 14 others are injured in a head-on collision between a truck and a passenger bus on a highway between Patacamaya, Bolivia, and Tambo Quemado, Chile. (RTÉ) Politics and elections The government of Equatorial Guinea suspends internet and telephone services on the separatist island of Annobón, with the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization condemning the suspension. (Agencia NOVA)

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2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen

Article: 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel conducts airstrikes on military sites of the Houthi movement near Hudaydah Port in Yemen. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Military sites of the Houthi movement are struck by Israeli airstrikes in response to an attack the day prior.
News source(s): NYTimes CNN Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Flemmish Nietzsche (talk · give credit)
• Created by Galamore (talk · give credit)

Notable escalation of the Red Sea crisis. Article is fairly well developed and well sourced. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Wait to see if it leads to any further escalation - if not, this doesn’t seem too different than the Israeli retaliation after the Iranian drone attack, which ended up being the end of things with that, and that wasn’t posted either. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  The Houthis did escalate it by striking back, just not in a major way, and the one missile they shot got struck down. [1] Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: in terms of WP:NEWSORG. QalasQalas (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  ??? NEWSORG relates to if a source is reliable, not if an event is notable. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  @The Kip, Reuters Associated Press cited. QalasQalas (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  I’m not sure if I follow - just because a news source reports on something doesn’t make it ITN-worthy. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for further developments. ArkHyena (talk) 20:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major, immoral and an illegal act of aggression. Kasperquickly (talk) 23:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  For the third time in the last few weeks, the personal commentary is entirely unnecessary. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait, leaning oppose We should wait to see how things pan out but unless something major happens, I would be opposing this nomination. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 06:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Unless the Houthis respond in a major way, this is covered by ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Major escalation and a first-time event. Jusdafax (talk) 18:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

July 19

Portal:Current events/2024 July 19

July 19, 2024 (2024-07-19) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Ukrainian forces retreat from Urozhaine in Donetsk Oblast. (The Independent) The Russian Ministry of Defence announces that its troops captured the village of Yuryivka in Donetsk Oblast. (Al Arabiya) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Police in Dhaka, Bangladesh, ban all public rallies and protests in the city and impose a nationwide curfew, one day after protestors set fire to government buildings in the city. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) The government of Bangladesh cut off internet, mobile phone, and TV broadcast services in the country, instituting a media blackout. (France 24) Red Sea crisis 2024 Tel Aviv drone attack At least one person is killed and ten others are injured when a kamikaze drone strikes central Tel Aviv, Israel, near the United States embassy. The Houthis claim responsibility for the attack, and also issue an announcement that that they will be providing details on a planned military operation on Tel Aviv soon. (The Times of Israel) (Axios) Business and economy Jadar mining project The European Union and Serbia sign a deal to develop a lithium mining project and production chains for batteries for electric vehicles. (DW) Disasters and accidents Haitian crisis 2024 Haiti boat fire At least 40 Haitians are killed and several others are injured when a boat travelling to the Turks and Caicos Islands catches fire. (Al Arabiya) Thirty-six people are rescued after fires break out onboard the São Tomé and Príncipe-flagged tanker Ceres I and Singapore-flagged tanker Hafnia Nile following a collision near Pedra Branca, Singapore. The remaining 26 Ceres I crew members remain onboard to conduct fire-fighting operations. (The Straits Times) (CNA) International relations Israeli allegations against UNRWA The United Kingdom announces the resumption of funding to the United Nations agency UNRWA. (Al Jazeera) Palestine–European Union relations The European Commission announces loans and grants totalling €400 million (US$435.5 million) to the Palestinian Authority to prevent the government's financial collapse. (Reuters) Law and crime Capital punishment in Belarus The Minsk Regional Court in Belarus, in a secretive trial, sentences a German national Rico Krieger to death over alleged crimes including terrorism and mercenary activity. (DW) Gaza humanitarian crisis, Societal breakdown in the Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war The United Nations reports that "anarchy" and societal breakdown is expanding across the Gaza Strip due to Israeli military destabilization, citing an increase in looting and extrajudicial killings of police and humanitarian workers. (Reuters) ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories, Israel and apartheid The International Court of Justice rules that Israel's land annexation and settlement construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank is unlawful, and demands an end to these practices "as soon as possible". The Court also rules that Israel's occupation in the West Bank amounts to apartheid. (AP) (Middle East Eye) A court in Yekaterinburg, Russia, convicts American journalist Evan Gershkovich of spying and sentences him to 16 years in prison. (CNN) Communist Party general secretary and paramount leader of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80, and is succeeded on an acting basis by President Tô Lâm. (BBC News) Pakistani counter-terrorism authorities arrest Amin al-Haq, a high-ranking member of Al-Qaeda and a close confidant of Osama bin Laden. (Times of India) A Tunisian court sentences opposition party leader Lotfi Mraïhi, a potential presidential candidate, to eight months in prison on a charge of vote buying, and also bans Mraïhi from running in presidential elections. (Reuters) Ukrainian linguist, nationalist politician, and former People's Deputy Iryna Farion is shot and killed in Lviv, Ukraine by an unknown assailant. (Reuters) WazirX, an Indian cryptocurrency exchange owned by Binance, announces a security breach in which $234 million USD in cryptocurrency was stolen, amounting to half of the platform's total assets. (Business Standard) Politics and elections 2024 Tunisian presidential election Incumbent Tunisian president Kais Saied announces his candidacy for a second term. (Le Monde) Science and technology 2024 CrowdStrike incident Numerous organizations worldwide experience service disruptions due to a faulty CrowdStrike update resulting in blue screens of death on Microsoft Windows computers. (The Verge) American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines order a temporary global ground stop of many of their flights in response to the widespread computer outages. (ABC News)

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(Posted) RD: Ray Reardon

Article: Ray Reardon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Welsh professional snooker player and six time world champion. Fats40boy11 (talk) 11:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support an FA, so there should be no prose/sourcing concerns. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support FA quality, no issues. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support with a heavy heart. Absolute icon of mine. Quality is great, might take some time to get over. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Ready it is an FA, ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 16:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kevan Gosper

Article: Kevan Gosper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bryan Krippner (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian sprinter and IOC administrator. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose IOC section needs more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sheila Jackson Lee

Article: Sheila Jackson Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Announcement via her official Twitter, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American congressional representative from Houston. Will update with a proper news source once available - CNN reported it live just minutes ago. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support: A remarkable woman who dedicated her life to public service. Article is also updated with sufficient quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support an impactful and long-serving member of the United States congress. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Supporrt Blurb, shes an incumbent congresswomen Lukt64 (talk) 06:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

With all due respect, barring maybe the sitting House Speaker, a single congressperson doesn’t come particularly close to the level of a blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Assignments and memberships need references. Stephen 09:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait Assignments and Caucus memberships need references and Eulogies section needs to be sorted out. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Iryna Farion

Article: Iryna Farion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyiv Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ukrainian politician who was assassinated in Lviv. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment 1 statement needs citations; once that statement is either sourced or removed, then this can be posted. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC) Support all statements have been provided with a statement. The article should be good to go.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 09:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Toumani Diabaté

Article: Toumani Diabaté (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Point
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 22:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Support A few unsourced statements and typical of musicians, the discography is uncited. Citations added. yorkshiresky (talk) 07:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose few cn tags needs to be sorted out. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I've sorted out two, just one left in the discography section. Mooonswimmer 20:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Several {cn} tags remaining, including one for his DoB. --PFHLai (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  I've sourced that and took care of another missing citation as well. Mooonswimmer 20:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, probably the most famous Malian musician in the world. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories

Article: ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Court of Justice finds the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories to be a violation of international law. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Reuters Haaretz
Credits:

• Nominated by Boud (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sakiv (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nishidani (talk · give credit), Boud (talk · give credit) and Buidhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Boud (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support as the court noted, this ruling has significance beyond Israel and Palestine (t · c) buidhe 23:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Very notable indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, notable and far beyond the scope of the ongoing war (the request for the case was registered by the ICJ in January 2023). I'm afraid the "Reactions" section might be a bit too unbalanced, as the vast majority of the people quoted are Israeli politicians. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support for notability and international significance. ArkHyena (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability particularly because the ruling says Israel "should put an end to its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories, desist from creating new settlements, and evacuate those already established." Currently, the formatting of the reactions section is suboptimal, and should be broken into subsections; for example, see the South Africa's genocide case against Israel article. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. BilledMammal (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability and quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Somewhat oppose on quality only - the "Oral Presentation" and "Reactions" sections, as typical, are just lists of any thrown reaction to this ruling and should be neither trying to be complete nor simply presented as a list. The Oral Presentations should likely be made into a narrative to describe the major points made by the countries as a group, for example, not how each country presented. Also, if we can indicate that this is a non-binding verdict (because Israel, nor the US for that matter have signed onto the ICJ recognition) in the blurb, that would be helpful. --Masem (t) 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support And for once I have no concern with the list-y sections. The first is a part of the court proceedings, right? And it's well-written even if it looks like flag soup from a glance. The reactions is not the best, but it's less "X from Country said thoughts and prayers" and more relevant people reflecting on material consequences. Do I like the bullet layout for the reactions? Not particularly, but (even considering the page protection) it seems like a valid way to stop that section becoming a repository for unsubstantial responses. Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  the problem with the court proceedings is that we don't normally document cases to that level. When and where they happened, sure, and the broad scope of the arguments, but just listing what each country said without further context is not really helpful. — Masem (t) 04:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Nominal support: Significant ruling from the ICJ, but as we did not post previous ICJ rulings on the conflict, I am not sure whether there is a precedent for posting this either. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  The most recent ICJ case proposed for posting was the South Africa v Israel genocide case in January, but iirc that was a preliminary ruling and was also considerably more weak in content (basically politely asked Israel to not commit genocidal acts, and politely asked Hamas to release the hostages), so it ultimately didn't develop consensus to post. By comparison, this is a far more concrete ruling, and this case has been running since long before the war broke out anyways. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support per all above MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As Israel isn't is part of this system and the court has no way to enforce its rulings, the impact should be as minimal as when another uninvolved party declares as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  Israel is in fact part of the United Nations system. Neljack (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I got it confused with the ICC. Sorry. On paper, all UN members are encouraged to obey this court. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 09:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Nguyen Phu Trong

Article: Nguyen Phu Trong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  General Secretary and former President of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Inclusion Activist (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooonswimmer (talk • contribs) 12:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Blurb Support RD, he had been General Secretary of the Vietnamese Communist Party since 2011. World leaders are definitely notable enough 5.57.241.186 (talk) 12:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD While one unsourced statement remains, that shouldn't hold up the article going to RD. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC) Oppose The China section is unsourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  I've edited that section and added the sources. Inclusion Activist (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Blurb Support RD, he was the most powerful leader in Vietnam, and argubaly one of the most influential since the country's reunification. He was also the only leader to have hosted Biden, Putin and Xi this year. --Inclusion Activist (talk) 12:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb due to his notability as (former Vietnamese president until 2021 and as) General Secretary until today, being the highest-ranking leader and basically holding the power in the country. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Nothing in the article suggests why he would be a major figure. Just simply holding a major political position is not sufficient for this determination. We need details of how he was influential and the like. — Masem (t) 14:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  "During his tenure, Trọng pursued a wide anti-corruption campaign, implicating numerous senior officials to a degree unprecedented in Vietnamese political history. His foreign policy, known as "bamboo diplomacy", sought to balance Vietnam's relations with both the United States and China. Trọng is considered one of the most influential Vietnamese leaders since Hồ Chí Minh." Directly from the article's lead. Have you read it, per chance? 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  If that is truly that significant (and it could be, I don't know), there should be far more commentary around this topic, typically in a type of Legacy or Impact section though it doesn't necessarily need to be there. It cannot be just a demonstration of a factual account of his role in the government. — Masem (t) 16:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  "Just simply holding a major political position is not sufficient for this determination." Haven't we always blurbed world leaders, though? Trong led his country of over 100 million people for 13 years, and his governance was evidently consequential. Kurtis ^(talk) 00:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Considering the position of General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam is the powerful leadership position in Vietnam and under his tenure witnessed the increase of international standing of Vietnam when it comes to diplomacy such as the country's relations between superpowers like China, Russia and the United States. Toadboy123 (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Not every world leader should receive one. Not ready for RD as it needs some sources and MOS:SANDWICH issues to be resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  CN's have been resolved. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 18:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb I think any incumbent world leader that dies in office should be blurbed. Article looks good and IMO two cn tags shouldn't prevent it from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Succession What matters most is the person that is in charge now. According to the Reuters report, President Tô Lâm has now assumed those duties in an acting capacity, pending a party decision on what to do next. We should blurb both the death and handover together. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Fair point, the Sec. General in Vietnam is the position of power per List of current heads of state and government, and thus the position change is ITNR. — Masem (t) 18:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Wait I'm confused. The page lists general secretary as head of government, but Prime Minister of Vietnam says it is head of government? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  The PM of Vietnam article says that the PM is the head of govt. & the President of Vietnam article says that the President is the head of state, but neither of those positions is considered the most powerful official in Vietnam. The General Secretary article says that the General Secretary is the most powerful official in Vietnam (& that person is sometimes the President as well). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  In communist countries, as communist party is the sole ruling party, the general secretary is in charge of running the party structures across the country while prime minister in general is responsible for running the cabinet and governmental ministries of the country - Toadboy123 (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb As per above, also support posting his successor when the time comes, or adding to the blurb that Tô Lâm succeeds him as acting GS Sharrdx (talk) 19:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Incumbent world leaders dying in office are pretty blurb-worthy. Bremps... 19:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb He was the most powerful leader in the country with a long tenure, serving from 2011 to 2024. He died in office which is pretty notable since he was serving a record-breaking third term. Vnsg304 (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb rare death that qualifies for blurb IMO. Death of de facto state leader has immediate political impacts. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb as de facto state leader dying in office. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as blurb Stephen 02:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) July 2024 global cyber outages

Article: July 2024 global cyber outages (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A faulty software update causes global cyber outages. (Post)
News source(s): skynews
Credits:

• Nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
• Created by Panamitsu (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Article hasn't been updated but if reporting accurate then this is definitely notable enough. Impacts include flight groundings and emergency phone services. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Maybe worth creating a 2024 CrowdStrike outages article? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks to be at July 2024 global IT outages currently. Ionmars10 (talk) 07:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright we ball. Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, one of the largest IT outages in a long time (ever?) and causing clear issues all across the globe - the July 2024 global IT outages article however is not ready for posting. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 07:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I think July 2024 global IT outages or 2024 CrowdStrike outages would be the appropriate target article. Plus, the CrowdStrike article is tagged and has some issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle Worthy of ITN for sure, but only issues on quality, as the article is short. Then again, at the time this comment is written, July 2024 global cyber outages article contains pretty much everything that is know about the issue, so... Melmann 08:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support a blurb for July 2024 global cyber outages - I suggested a simple one above, edits welcome. Sam Walton (talk) 08:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle per above comments. Mellk (talk) 09:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance, oppose on article quality The subject is definitely ITN-worthy, but the articles is not, being essentially just a poorly-curated list of specific individual impacts. Thryduulf (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support With airlines grounded and medical services restricted, this is huge. I've been expecting global dependence on the internet and such software to become an existential risk comparable with the pandemic and here we are. Picking up the pieces will take some time, the impact outweighs the uncertainty. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  left-pad taught us nothing, apparently. Bremps... 22:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, serious disruption covering a variety of industries worldwide and over 1,000 flights have been cancelled thus far. ―Panamitsu (talk) 09:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 10:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Post-post comment: Just so you know, I've added a few live-blogs on the article's talk page, so you can use them to help expand the page and make it less patchy than it currently looks. Oltrepier (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Article is not of great quality. Yes, it ticks the long-enough box, but its just listing events and has no real structure or narrative to it. This is not representive of how we normally write articles on news coverage for an encyclopedia. --Masem (t) 11:58, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment As pointed out above, the article is not of sufficient quality and mostly presents a list of individual impacts. This was another bad posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Article quality is really bad. Can we revisit this in 12h+? Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Pull until article quality is improved.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 17:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Unsurprisingly the article has improved with lots of eyes on it and there is no need to pull now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
  • It still has the problem that it just making a list of incidents, now grouped by field than by country. These articles should be written far more narratively, not trying to describe each singular incident since this was a clear global problem. — Masem (t) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

    Of course the article can be improved, but it is plainly not so bad that it has to be yanked immediately from the Main Page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

    At this point I am not asking for a pull, but I think the way this article started and even presently is is a systemic problem of how we are not writing about current events in an encyclopedic style but instead just compiling every case without thought of a cohesive article that would be how we would have written about the same event if we were doing this ten years after the fact. This has become far too common and widespread and we need to be demanding a bit more editorial considerations rather just listifying parts of an event. Masem (t) 12:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: M. S. Valiathan

Article: M. S. Valiathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eminent cardiac surgeon and MAHE's first Vice-Chancellor Dr M S Valiathan passes away
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Added some references. Still there is manual of style tag in the article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks very much improved. Great work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 18

Portal:Current events/2024 July 18

July 18, 2024 (2024-07-18) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign Dnieper campaign Ukrainian forces withdraw from the village of Krynky in Kherson Oblast. (Bloomberg) Eastern Ukraine campaign Five people are killed and three others are injured in Russian attacks on villages in the Donetsk region, Ukraine. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip 2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip Both the Gaza Health Ministry and the Israeli Health Ministry report traces of type 2 polio in Gaza's sewage system, caused by "severe overcrowding" and Israel's blockade of hygiene products from entering the enclave. (France 24) At least five Palestinians are killed and fifteen others are injured in Israeli airstrikes on the Nuseirat and al-Bureij refugee camps in the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) (Anadolu Agency) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement The death toll from the protests in Bangladesh increases to 32, with the government shutting down internet access across the entire country, and protesters setting fire to the headquarters of the main state broadcaster in Dhaka. (France 24) Naxalite–Maoist insurgency Two Indian soldiers are killed and four others are injured in an IED attack by Maoists in Chhattisgarh, India. (The Hindustan Times) (India Blooms) Arts and culture Stegosaurus skeleton Apex is auctioned for $44.6 million (£34 million) at a Sotheby's auction in New York City, United States, the most ever paid for a fossil. (BBC News) Business and economy 2024 Nigerian general strike The Nigeria Labour Congress, the Trade Union Congress, and the Nigerian government agree on a new minimum wage of ₦70,000 (US$43) per month, ending prolonged negotiations amid high inflation and a weakening currency. (Reuters) Red Sea crisis Egypt's Suez Canal reports a 23.4% drop in revenues attributed to disruptions in Red Sea shipping over the past year, marked by attacks from Yemen's Houthi militia on Israeli-linked vessels. (Al Arabiya) The Saudia Airlines group signs a binding sales agreement with Lilium GmbH to purchase 50 electric Lilium Jets, with the option to purchase 50 more. (Flight Global) International relations Sudan–United States relations, Sudanese civil war The United States announces it will give an additional $203 million to help civilians affected by the war in Sudan. (Al Arabiya) Law and crime LGBT rights in South Korea The Supreme Court of South Korea rules that same-sex couples are eligible to receive the same health insurance benefits as heterosexual couples. (AP) 2024 Nice arson attack Seven people from the same family, including three young children and a teenager, are killed, another is injured and thirty suffer smoke inhalation in an arson attack in Nice, France. (BBC News) The Southwark Crown Court sentences five Just Stop Oil activists, including co-founder Roger Hallam, to prison terms ranging from four to five years for organizing protests that blocked the M25 motorway in London, England, United Kingdom, in 2022. (CNN) Five people, a mother and four children, are killed in a mass shooting near West Blocton, Alabama, United States. (AP) A riot erupts in the suburb of Harehills, Leeds, United Kingdom. (BBC News) Politics and elections Ursula von der Leyen is re-elected as president of the European Commission. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Sarah Gibson (composer)

Article: Sarah Gibson (composer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): pianospheres.org
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American pianist and composer, one of her orchestral pieces was supposed to be played at the BBC Proms. 38. I tried to collect what I could find. Washington Post article is paywalled. First obit was dated 18 Jul, that's why I put her here. Help appreciated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 01:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Ursula von der Leyen is re-elected

Article: Ursula von der Leyen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ursula von der Leyen (pictured) is re-elected President of the European Commission (Post)
News source(s): Politico BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

The election of the head of the European Commission has been considered ITN-worthy in the past as head of government of a sui generis entity and as a major global political figure. Von der Leyen's article is in very good condition and, looking back in history, the re-election for a second term of an EC president is not that usual. We should remeber also that 2024 European Parliament election failed to be included in Main Page in June. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability While not ITNR, the president of the European commission heads the executive branch of the EU, which I think is significant enough. The article currently has two cn's and an outdated tag. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Question While bold article is in a good shape, but have we ever posted the election of the President of the EU before, let alone re-election? PrinceofPunjab^TALK 14:20, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, we posted her election in 2019. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

  So, there is a precedent, therefore changing my vote to Support. Thank you @Gödel2200 for answering my query. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 14:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Precedent In 2019, this was new news. New is "exciting", in theory ("unprecedented", if you're theoretically nasty). Diminishing returns, though, as "the beat goes on". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose ITN is not a newsticker. 2A02:908:676:E640:85EF:EB52:F945:7238 (talk) 19:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
• Theoretically support, but oppose for now b/c the “Controversy over COVID-19 vaccine deal” section has an orange tag. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Nigerian general strike

Article: 2024 Nigerian general strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nigerian government and trade unions agree to a national minimum wage increase, concluding weeks of negotiations after a nationwide general strike. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; Bloomberg; This Day
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Grnrchst (talk · give credit)

Grnrchst (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The article says that "The country's national grid and its airports were shut down on 3 June 2024, as were banks, hospitals and schools...The following day, the NLC and TUC suspended the strike, pending talks with the government over raising the minimum wage.", but it does not indicate that a situation like that was occurring at the time the deal was agreed upon. I think that this would only warrant a blurb if something at the scale of what was happening on 3 June was also happening at the time of the resolution. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cheng Pei-pei

Article: Cheng Pei-pei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dmhll (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Chinese actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Filmography seems to be a common stumbling block. Bremps... 19:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose filmography is entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Abner Haynes

Article: Abner Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Professional career section's orange tag needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lou Dobbs

Article: Lou Dobbs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Relatively good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose While article is in relatively good shape, there's ten cn tags. Support I've fixed the issues at hand. Article looks ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Support I hated this man but his article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready. There are two CN tags, the one about raising four children definitely needs addressing before it can be posted. Thryduulf (talk) 16:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  Added reference for his 4 children. Natg 19 (talk) 16:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bob Newhart

Article: Bob Newhart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work, but a big name in entertainment.Natg 19 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Regrettable oppose On quality. Article needs ref work. I would support a blurb once issues are fixed, but I feel that the article needs a legacy section or something to reflect the impact he had on the comedy world. Obits are calling him a legend and the "dean" of deadpan comedy. I'm sure something reflecting how he influenced a generation of comedians/had a massive impact on the comedy world would be beneficial. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Referencing is quite poor. This is going to need some work. [Side note: GOD DAMN IT!] -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support when Refs Updated A hair shy of a blurb. CoatCheck (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support I know him mainly from his original monologues which were often played on BBC Radio. It's easy to imagine a similar incredulous skit about Wikipedia – "and you let anyone edit it!?" The article is fine - mostly the usual busywork remains but that's not significant. I have clarified that his famous stammer was natural, not affected, and that's the sort of detail that actually matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready. This is still orange tagged with many explicit inline CN tags and unmarked unsourced paragraphs. Thryduulf (talk)
• I'm open to a blurb (if the article is improved) as someone who reached the pinnacle of their profession. Per the NYT, Newhart "basically invented the stand-up special" and had a eponymous comedy TV show whose finale is still "viewed as one of the greatest finales in television history", so much so that the NYT ran an separate article about it after Newhart's death. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support, although somebody citeneeded-bombed the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags needs to be resolved, Although, I would have been okay with a blurb but article's quality won't allow it. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Will only support an RD once it's in good shape. - SchroCat (talk) 19:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fresia Saavedra

Article: Fresia Saavedra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universo
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support It's a bit on the short end, but there are no issues with the content in the article. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks ready indeed. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 17

Portal:Current events/2024 July 17

July 17, 2024 (2024-07-17) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 42 Palestinians are killed and more than 70 others are injured in Israeli strikes on a United Nations-run school in the Nuseirat refugee camp and on a designated "safe zone" in al-Mawasi, Rafah. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Police fire tear gas and rubber bullets at students and professors occupying Dhaka University in Dhaka, Bangladesh, to protest against the ruling Awami League party and its government job quotas. (Al Jazeera) (CBC News) Arts and culture Archaeologists unearth remains of a medieval papal palace in the square outside the Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran in Rome, Italy. (Reuters) Business and economy The European Union General Court dismisses ByteDance's lawsuit against the European Commission's designation of the company as a "gatekeeper" under the Digital Markets Act, citing ByteDance's significant global market value. (Bernama) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Effects of Hurricane Beryl in Texas The confirmed death toll from Hurricane Beryl in Texas, United States, increases to 22, with several deaths in the Greater Houston area caused by heat illness due to prolonged power outages amid an ongoing heat wave. (NPR) (KRIV-TV) At least 16 people are killed in a fire at a shopping mall in Zigong, Sichuan, China. (AP) Comoros-flagged oil tanker Prestige Falcon capsizes off the coast of Oman. The Indian Navy rescues nine crew members, with seven others missing. (AP) At least six people are killed by storms in Brest, Gomel, and Mogilev Regions, Belarus. (AP) Health and environment 2024 European heatwaves Italian authorities place thirteen cities throughout the Italian Peninsula under rare severe heat warnings due to predicted heat indexes reaching as high as 44°C (111.2°F) throughout the week. (AP) (Sky News) International relations Germany–Ukraine relations, Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Germany issues plans to halve its military aid to Ukraine in 2025. (Reuters) Law and crime Eugenics in Japan Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida formally apologizes to 130 victims of forced sterilization under the Eugenics Protection Law which was declared unconstitutional on July 3, and approves compensation measures for more than 25,000 affected victims and their relatives. (NHK) Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announces measures to reduce the spread of fake news and harmful content in all forms of media, which the People's Party claims is an act to censor and control critical media. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign U.S. President Joe Biden temporarily suspends his re-election campaign to recover at his home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, after being diagnosed with COVID-19. (CNN) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israel's Knesset passes a resolution 68–9 stating that it opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state. (Haaretz) Science and technology NASA cancels its lunar water-seeking rover mission with the VIPER rover, citing cost overruns and launch delays, after spending $450 million on the project. (AP) (NASA)

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RD: Pat Williams (basketball)

Article: Pat Williams (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by HopalongCasualty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NBA executive and co-founder of the Orlando Magic. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• not ready There are several outstanding citation needed tags. Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose several cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bernice Johnson Reagon

Article: Bernice Johnson Reagon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 01:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready, numerous citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 01:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Not ready same issues remain. Bremps... 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose several cn tags and lede needs to be rewritten. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

Article: 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bangladesh, protests against the reinstatement of the Quota system of Bangladesh Civil Service leave six people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
Credits:

• Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)

Ongoing protests in Bangladesh. The article needs some copyediting, and currently has an empty section. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Despite a frowned-upon gallery section, the article seem alright for mainpage posting. Seems major. Bremps... 19:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support. I agree with you on both points. 64.114 etc 19:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the protests seem to be growing in both size and violence. Article looks solid enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support. The Kip has a point to this. Solid article, growing protests. 209.121.102.221 (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is tagged with a copy editing tag. Will support once it's addressed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now until something substantial happens. Protests are commonplace in every corner of the world and are not automatically ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I mean, six people died. Hundreds are wounded. Bremps... 21:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now Not the best prose and poorly formatted. Of dubious notability for ITN Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support – The copyedit tag is a bit of a problem, but I think the article is in a good state overall. I think the correct date for this is probably July 16, when the Chhatra League fired on university students. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support clearly important to a lot of people Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support Important and well-cited article. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Apart from a lot of poor prose, there are uncited statements (some contentious) together with a lot of "he said, she said" material which doesn't appear to match the sources. For example, the sentence In light of these events, the Prime Minister questioned the education of the protesters and described their behaviour as "very regrettable" is sourced to this, so the first part of the sentence is synthesis from the source, and the words "very regrettable" don't appear at all. Or this section In the early hours of 16 July, at around 12:15 am, members of the Chhatra League attacked Jahangirnagar University students using firearms is sourced to this in which firearms aren't mentioned. And this is just a couple of the English sources I've looked at, not being able to read Bengali which makes up at least half of the sources. Black Kite (talk) 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Over 100 deaths, total mobile internet shutdown, 7.5 million Bangladeshi diaspora can’t communicate with their relatives, they have no connection with their family and beloved one, don’t know even if they are death or alive, military curfew imposed !! We guys can wait and carry on other best/important things!! Pathetic world!! 2A0A:A546:7913:0:A5AA:AB38:D931:A81D (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

  Obviously these events are important, but we only post articles that are also in good shape. Please see WP:ITN. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality while it is no doubt newsworthy due to it's impact and massive death toll, the article is a mess. It has multiple orange tags, timeline section needs to be rewritten and Gallery section needs captions. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 14:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Morrow (commentator)

Article: David Morrow (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk · give credit)
• Created by Aussiesportlibrarian (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RayneBlox (talk · give credit) and LibStar (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian sports commentator. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in good shape with no CN tags. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that his death should appear in the body of the article and once that's done, this is good to go. Schwede66 02:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Muscat mosque shooting

Article: 2024 Muscat mosque shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting at a mosque in Muscat, Oman, leaves nine people dead and more than thirty others injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP News, France 24
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheLibyanGuy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability such incidents are rare occurrence in Oman and majority of deaths are of foreign citizens therefore it is notable but article currently needs a bit expansion. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability I agree with the Prince of Punjab. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1441:FA7C:FF75:8B58 (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support; it is sure agreeable that rare occurrences are notable for being rare.2605:8D80:325:ABB8:9C9B:AB1E:5AFC:DE95 (talk) 06:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC) Incoherent rationale. Struck through. Bremps... 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

What’s with the sudden increase in these oddly-worded/near-nonsensical votes popping up on ITN/C lately? This is at least the fourth or fifth vote I’ve seen from an IP in the last few weeks that could’ve conceivably been AI-generated. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's... weird. I don't think it's AI, but I'm far from certain. Kicking222 (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support even though the article does need a bit of an expansion. 64.114 etc 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as target article’s barely longer than a stub. Weak support on notability, given the rarity of such attacks in Oman. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality due to the length of the article. Also, the article should make it clear that these events are rare in Oman. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  I have attempted to make that clear on the article. Bte3000 (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment Should mention in the blurb that this is the first instance of ISIS launching an attack in Oman. Bremps... 19:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality 15:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bte3000 (talk • contribs)

• Support on notability, with no comment on quality (haven't read the article yet). Oman is arguably the most peaceful country in the Middle East, so a massacre there—especially if it was done by ISIS or any other terrorist organization—is highly notable. Kurtis ^(talk) 02:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Who, what, where, when, why and how are answered. It'd be best if we mention that Oman has never suffered an ISIS attack before. Bremps... 02:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The mosque is not notable. None of the people involved are notable. There have yet to be any demonstrated widespread societal effects. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article does not do a good job of explaining this in context. The fact that the attack took place in Oman does not seem significant as this is not a secular political issue. It seems to be a traditional expression of religious sectarian violence which goes back centuries. See Terrorist attacks during Ashura. Insofar as ISIS was involved, this makes it common rather than rare. See List of terrorist incidents in 2024 in which the count for ISIS seems to be about 11 for the year so far. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Rwandan general election

Article: 2024 Rwandan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term in the 2024 Rwandan general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In an election criticized for being unfair, Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term as president and the Rwanda Patriotic Front and allied parties win a majority in the parliament.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), HapHaxion (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support if ready; generally, news items about general elections always go on the main page. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:54AB:165D:9F95:AB8B (talk) 00:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article appears to be of decent quality. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. It is of decent quality. 2605:8D80:325:ABB8:3CC8:AC81:81CB:8A (talk) 03:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. I agree with all of you. 64.114 etc 03:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

This election is of... dubious, shall we say, fairness and the article does not fully reflect that reality. Bremps... 04:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

TLDR only two of the eight candidates who wanted to run against Kagame were allowed to run, and Kagame allegedly won 99% of the vote. Bremps... 04:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This was a sham election and the article does not show that. Also, WP:ITNELECTIONS mentions Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government but he has been in his office for almost two and a half decades now. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I think this was marked as ITNR because it was a general election, not because it was a change in the executive. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

But the blurb have no mention of the parliamentary elections and mentions only the presidential one. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The current blurb mentions the general election as a whole, which includes both the parliamentary and presidential ones. It explicitly mentions the reelection of Kagame as he is the executive, but it certainly could also mention the results in the parliament. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per PrinceOfPunjab. If it does end up posted, I’d support using the “announced as the winner of the election” wording we’ve had for previous elections of dubious fairness. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, the article is still ITN/R as a general election, but the article does not mention the parliament's election results at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. While probably not "free and fair", the election did actually take place and the people did vote for Kagame, so this election is covered by ITN/R and we've generally always posted it in the past. It might be good for the "aftermath" section to mention any international organisations saying it wasn't free and fair, but I'm not sure there are any yet. No doubt when that happens, we can update the article but for now I think it's good to go. I've also updated the results to show the provisional figures for parliament.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose we don't know how many people actually voted for Kagame. Significant election fraud is not out of the question. It would require sources to claim this election is different from the many sham elections held in Rwanda since 1994. (t · c) buidhe 23:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article sort of explains why the election was not free and fair - i.e. real opponents of Kagame are barred from even standing in the first place, the other "candidates" are Government-approved ones to ensure the appearance of democracy - but it should be (and needs to be) a lot clearer. Currently a casual reader would assume that Kagame is enthusiastically backed by nearly 100% of the Rwandan population, whereas in reality the claim that turnout was 98% is ... fanciful. Black Kite (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Amakuru. Wikipedia gives cited facts so readers can draw their own conclusions. This article meets NPOV adequately already, and when more refs regarding its lack of fairness should come, those would be welcome too. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Amakuru, although I do believe the election was unfair it's still a election which was voted for. We should add sources saying if the election was fair or not when they come Sharrdx (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose -- unfair and unfree election is not ITNR. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not presumed notable, but not necessarily non-notable. Bremps... 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• @Blaylockjam10 @Chaotic Enby @Andrew Davidson @PrinceofPunjab @Black Kite I've added more to the article hopefully demonstrating more critically the way the election was not free and fair. Let me know if the article still needs more work in that department. I've also updated the altblurb with more details & with slightly different wording (including the results of the parliamentary election). Let me know if that needs more work as well (in particular - is it too long for ITN standards?) Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Support Much better now. Bremps... 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  It's the blurb that's the issue rather than the article. Presenting this in a formulaic way is a false equivalence which misleads the reader. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Per norm, it's a national election. Scu ba (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Although notable and the article is looking better, I oppose the current blurb per PrinceofPunjab and The Kip. The current blurb is misleading by omission. It misleads the reader into a sense of equivalency by using the same terminology we have used for actual free and fair elections. I do support altblurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability—A glorified referendum on Kagame's continued dictatorship it is, and the blurb should make this clear, but it's an actual election in a de jure "democracy". It merits a mention on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted, there's no section in the article on how it was not free or fair, Stephen 02:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting straw poll on changing it to "declared winner" This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  As stated above, I support this as the default when the election isn’t considered free/fair by RSes. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  As long as the article is updated to align to any wording that you want here. Stephen 03:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Support "declared winner" I think the following is enough:

  The only three presidential candidates allowed to run were the same as from 2017, where Kagame won with more than 98% of the vote. DW described the election as a "re-run of the non-contest in 2017."[27] Amnesty International criticized the censorship of opposition in the race as having "a chilling effect and limits the space for debate for people of Rwanda". The Independent described the election as "widely criticised as unfair."[4]

  Bremps... 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  It's fine as is I would think. I'm not a fan of editorialising in blurbs, and while this argument comes up time and time again here for Russian, Rwandan and other elections I don't think we've ever deviated from the simple statement of who won and leaving the detail to the article. And therefore it would be wrong to carve out an exception for this specific case. If there's a prior precedent then please point it out to me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  comment here's an easy solution, just mention the percentage of the vote (99%) that he got, that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Won't work, since reporting isn't done. Well, "reporting". Bremps... 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like

  As you've been told before, quit it with the personalized commentary. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  For the Russian election, the blurb was

  Vladimir Putin is announced to be the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term.

  That’s still too weak for my taste & I’d write it as “announced as” instead of “announced to be”, but it’s better than the current blurb for the Rwandan election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

July 16

Portal:Current events/2024 July 16

July 16, 2024 (2024-07-16) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 57 Palestinians are killed by Israeli bombardments in Gaza City, Khan Younis, and Rafah. (Reuters) 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two people injured in an IDF drone attack in southern Lebanon.(Al Jazeera) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Six people are killed during clashes in Bangladesh as opposition demonstrators protesting government job quotas, which benefit pro-government families, clashes with police and pro-government supporters. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Muscat mosque shooting The Islamic State claims responsibility for the prior day's mass shooting at a Shi'ite mosque in Muscat, Oman. This is the first attack carried out by the Islamic State in the country. (BBC) Hezbollah–Israel conflict Three Syrian children are killed by an Israeli airstrike on the village of Umm al-Tut in southern Lebanon, while two others are killed during a strike on the Kfar Tebnit-Khardali road. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents At least 25 people are killed and 17 others are injured when a bus veers off a cliff and crashes in Ayacucho Region, Peru. (Reuters) Heavy rainfall across the Midwestern United States causes a dam failure in Washington County, Illinois, prompting an immediate evacuation order in the nearby city of Nashville. (USA Today) A malfunction causes an emergency shutdown of one of the four reactors at the Rostov Nuclear Power Plant in Rostov Oblast, Russia. Background radiation levels are reported as normal. (Reuters) Health and environment 2024 European heatwaves Ukrainian state electrical grid operator Ukrenergo begins emergency power shutdowns in seven eastern and central oblasts amid a record heat wave and equipment failures worsened by ongoing Russian attacks. (Reuters) Romania approves the culling of 481 bears in the country, after a 19-year-old woman was killed by a bear last week in the Carpathian Mountains. (Al Jazeera) International relations Czech Republic–Ukraine relations The Czech Republic announces plans to facilitate Colt CZ Group assault rifle production and the construction of an ammunition factory in Ukraine. (RFE/RL) Estonia–Russia relations, Latvia–Russia relations, Lithuania–Russia relations The Baltic states announce their exit from Russia's and Belarus's electricity grid along with plans to synchronize their grid with the continental Europe grid on February 9, 2025. (AP) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip An investigation by the Associated Press and Israeli investigative organization Shomrim finds that the United States and Israel allowed tax-deductible donations totaling over US$200,000 to multiple Israeli far-right extremist groups involved in blocking and disrupting humanitarian aid delivery to the Gaza Strip. (AP) Kosovo War War crimes in the Kosovo War The Kosovo Specialist Chambers criminal tribunal sentences former Liberation Army member Pjetër Shala to 18 years in prison for war crimes committed during the war. (Al Jazeera) (Koha Ditore) 2024 Bangkok hotel cyanide poisoning Six Vietnamese and American people are found dead at the Grand Hyatt Erawan Bangkok hotel in Bangkok, Thailand, in a suspected cyanide poisoning incident. (AP) American senator Bob Menendez is found guilty on all counts, including acting as a foreign agent, in a federal corruption trial. (ABC News) Former governor of Deir ez-Zor Governorate, Syria, and director of the Adra Prison Samir Ousman al-Sheikh is arrested by the FBI in Los Angeles, California, United States. Al-Sheikh has been accused of torturing and killing political dissidents while serving as prison director and governor. (The New York Times) German authorities in four states search the properties of management and shareholders of the right-wing extremist magazine Compact, seizing assets and evidence after the magazine was banned by the interior ministry. (Reuters) Police in Paraguay seize more than four tons of cocaine, worth $240 million, at a river port in Asunción, the largest cocaine seizure in the country's history. (AP) Chinese businessman Guo Wengui is found guilty by a U.S. jury on multiple fraud charges, accused of running a racketeering enterprise from 2018 to 2023 that defrauded thousands of investors out of over $1 billion. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 French legislative election French President Emmanuel Macron approves the resignation request of Prime Minister Gabriel Attal, who will continue to serve as head of the transitional caretaker government. (AP) 2024 Welsh government crisis Six weeks after losing a vote of no confidence in the Senedd, Vaughan Gething resigns as First Minister of Wales. (The Guardian) Kenya Finance Bill protests Police fire tear gas and water cannons at anti-government protestors as demonstrations continue in cities across Kenya, calling for the removal of President William Ruto. (Al Jazeera) Roberta Metsola is re-elected as President of the European Parliament with the highest number of votes ever registered for a candidate in the history of the European Parliament. (Times of Malta)

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(Posted) RD: Peter Courtney

Article: Peter Courtney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Support, article in good shape. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Support article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Posted—Bagumba (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joe Bryant

Article: Joe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Kobe's father and professional player and coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref work, has some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose at least three cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Added more refs, needs one for international coaching record, though perhaps that section could just be removed. Natg 19 (talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jacques Boudet

Article: Jacques Boudet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the entire article has one source and that too of death, has very little prose and mostly a Listicle. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs major work such as expansion and sourcing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Still a stub with 130 words of prose, followed by huge tables of unsourced materials. Please expand the text and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 15

Portal:Current events/2024 July 15

July 15, 2024 (2024-07-15) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 offensive Fighting between the Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (FARDC), pro-government militia, and M23 rebels is reported in the Bashali Chiefdom, Bahunde Chiefdom, and the surroundings of Bweremana following simultaneous attacks on the positions of the FARDC and allies by the M23. (Radio Okapi) Four civilians are killed and five others are injured in a bombardment on Bweremana. Local police accuse the M23 of being responsible. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Siege of Gaza City At least 12 Palestinians are killed in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza City and Deir al-Balah in the Gaza Strip. (Anandolu Ajansi) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine–NATO relations NATO establishes a new command centre in Wiesbaden, Germany, to plan and coordinate support for the Ukrainian military as part of the NATO Security Assistance and Training for Ukraine. (Euronews) 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement Over 100 people are injured in violent clashes in Dhaka, Bangladesh, between supporters of the ruling Awami League party and opposition demonstrators protesting government job quotas which benefit pro-government families. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Muscat mosque shooting Six people are killed and 30+ others are injured in a mass shooting at a Shia mosque in Muscat, Oman. The three attackers are killed by security forces in the ensuing shootout. (Al Arabiya) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight soldiers are killed during a suicide bombing at a military base in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. Ten Pakistani Taliban gunmen are also killed in an ensuing shootout. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict An Israeli airstrike on Bint Jbeil, Lebanon, kills three civilians and injures three others. Israel's military says that its fighter jets struck a Hezbollah weapons storage facility in the area. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods At least 47 people are killed and 350 others are injured by severe storms in Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan. (Dhaka Tribune) At least one person is killed and over 400,000 people without power as a derecho impacts the Midwestern United States, with downburst winds exceeding 100 mph (160 km/h) and multiple tornadoes being reported near Chicago. (Fox Weather) International relations Belarus–Latvia relations Latvia issues a ban on Belarus-registered passenger vehicles entering Latvian territory from Belarus or Russia. (Reuters) Hungary–European Union relations, 2024 visits by Viktor Orbán to Russia and China The European Commission announces that top European Union officials including European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen will boycott informal meetings hosted by Hungary during its rotating EU Presidency, in response to rogue meetings made by Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán to Russia and China regarding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. (AP) Law and crime Clifton Suspension Bridge human remains discovery Colombian Yostin Andres Mosquera is charged with the murders of two gay men and remanded in custody by Wimbledon Magistrates Court in London, United Kingdom. (The Guardian) Disappearance of Jay Slater A body believed to be missing 19-year-old Jay Slater from Lancashire, United Kingdom, is found near where he was reported missing in Tenerife, Spain, after a 28-day search. (BBC News) Federal prosecution of Donald Trump Former United States president Donald Trump's criminal prosecution over his alleged mishandling of classified documents is dismissed by District Judge Aileen Cannon, who states that Special Counsel Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed and lacked the authority to bring the case to court. (Reuters) Female genital mutilation in the Gambia The National Assembly of the Gambia upholds a ban on female genital mutilation, which has been criminalized since 2015. Some conservative and religious groups had sought to overturn the ban through controversial legislation. (AFP) The prime suspect arrested over the discovery of nine mutilated female bodies in a rubbish dump in the Mukuru slums of Nairobi, Kenya, confesses to killing 42 women. Another man is also arrested. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election 2024 Republican National Convention, 2024 Republican Party vice presidential candidate selection, Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump selects Ohio senator J. D. Vance as his vice-presidential running mate. (The Hill) (The New York Times) 2024 Rwandan general election Rwandans vote to elect their president between incumbent Paul Kagame and two other candidates, as well as elect 80 members of the Chamber of Deputies. (Reuters) Incumbent President Paul Kagame is re-elected to a fourth term with 99% of the votes, and the RPF Coalition wins 69% of the seats in the Chamber of Deputies. (AP) (VOA) 2024 Syrian parliamentary election Syrians vote to elect the 250 members of the parliament. (AP) The ruling Ba'ath Party and its allies win 185 of the 250 seats, while opposition groups call the results "absurd" and Germany reject the election results. (AP) (Enab Baladi) Arrest of Imran Khan, 2023 Pakistani protests Pakistan moves forward a case to ban former prime minister Imran Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party due to alleged use of illegal foreign funds and party supporter protests at military installations, and also pushes charges of treason for Khan and former president Arif Alvi. (Reuters) Fatah–Hamas reconciliation process Several Palestinian factions, including Fatah and Hamas, schedule reconciliatory meetings in China in an attempt to end their ongoing political disputes. (Reuters) Estonian prime minister Kaja Kallas resigns in order to assume her new role as High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy for the European External Action Service. (Politico) Science and technology Mare Tranquillitatis pit In the journal Nature Astronomy, American and Italian scientists announce the discovery of a lunar cave, approximately 250 miles (400 km) from the landing site of Apollo 11. (AP) (Nature Astronomy) Sports 2024 Copa América In association football, defending champions Argentina defeat Colombia 1–0 after extra time in the final match to win a record 16th Copa América title, with Lautaro Martínez scoring the winning goal in the 112th minute. Kick-off was delayed by 82 minutes due to fans breaching the security gates at Hard Rock Stadium, the match's venue, in Miami Gardens, Florida, United States. (AP) (The New York Times) 2024 Paris Olympics The Olympic torch arrives in Paris, France, ten days before the start of this year's Summer Olympics. (CBS)

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(Posted) 2024 Syrian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Syrian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Syria, Bashar al-Assad's (pictured) Ba'ath Party wins the 2024 Syrian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Syria, the Ba'ath Party (leader Bashar al-Assad pictured) is declared the winner of the parliamentary election
News source(s): AP/ABC Al Arabiya
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Was it a free and fair election, no, but it was still a national election and deserves a spot in the news per ITNR Scu ba (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support ALT with "declared winner" language as is consensus for dubious elections This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the picture of Assad who was not standing for election. If ITN/R requires some compulsory record of this rubber stamp process, then we only need the rubber stamp. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Moved nomination to 15 July, which is when the election actually happened. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Buxtun

Article: Peter Buxtun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PBS NewsHour
Credits:

• Nominated by Legoktm (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2600:1700:1592:E5B0:948E:C789:FC6D:3850 (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Whistleblower who revealed the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. He died back in May, but from what I can tell, it was reported in reliable sources on July 15. Legoktm (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

RD: Norm Hewitt

Article: Norm Hewitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Perreonz (talk · give credit) and ToddyOC (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

New Zealand All Blacks rugby union player. 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk) 07:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there is an cn tag and Career highlights list needs more more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Chinese cooking oil scandal

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Article: Food safety incidents in China (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese cooking oil scandal (Post)
News source(s): DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

"The investigative report into the latest scandal revealed that two tanker trucks had been loaded with cooking oil for delivery immediately after carrying chemical products, a cost-saving measure that the media said had become an "open secret" in the supply chain." Count Iblis (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose One sentence update is not sufficient for a posting.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 17:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Two dirty tanker trucks is relatively insignificant.

Celjski Grad (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Count, it seems unbelievable that by now you don't know how ITNR works. Please add a blurb and explain why this enjoys special notability. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the nomination comment is longer than the update in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2024 Copa América final

Article: 2024 Copa América final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeats Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, the 2024 Copa América final ends 1-0, Argentina over Colombia.
News source(s): The Athletic
Credits:

• Nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article is well-referenced as of nomination, with a few updates being added. — MarkH₂₁^talk 04:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose due to missing prose summary, rest-of-tournament sections, and description of the pre-match ticket fiasco that pushed the match back by an hour. Will try to make improvements tomorrow. SounderBruce 04:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  • The sumamry & pre-match sections have now been started with a few paragraphs each. — MarkH₂₁^talk 05:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, article's simply not ready. Do want to note for anyone that may raise it - this is correctly placed on the 15th, as due to the delay/extra time the Final ended after midnight eastern. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I thought it goes by UTC? Otherwise Super Bowl would always end hours after the bot adds the day after the local day. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support when ready. Seems to be more than enough text about the Miami security issues. Nfitz (talk) 05:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support when ready, big win for a great team in a big tournament. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1C5:79C8:157A:391E (talk) 05:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Notability is not an issue as the event is listed on ITNR (presumed to be notable). Focus solely on article quality. Bremps... 05:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
• ’’’Procedural support’” guess we can’t have only real news on ITN forever :/ This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  We get it, you don’t like sportsball. Doesn’t mean you have to insert your personalized commentary/complaints every time a sporting event comes up at ITNC - this isn’t the first time in recent memory. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, like "Old Man Dies" it's getting very wearisome now. Black Kite (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Except "old man dies" has an argument to be made for it; complaining about ITN/R sports stories has none. Kicking222 (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I suppose so.

  Both are tiring, but OMD is rooted in a legitimate criticism of ITNC (albeit one I disagree with), while the “sports bad” comments amount to contrarianism - these are easily notable enough by our standards. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  Why and how does it always come back to death blurbs? It's the black hole of all ITN discussion, sucking everything towards it. Bremps... 05:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment If both this blurb and the previous Euro one are posted, they could be merged into one blurb to avoid repetition (e.g: In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024, and Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Considering they’ll be run back to back, can’t say I’d be opposed to this proposal. The Kip ^(contribs) 09:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I endorse this proposal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Like -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  They are separate events. Would we merge any other type of news event together because they happened one day after the other? ("In disaster news, earthquakes in Anyville and Randomtown kill 21 and 34 people respectively"). Black Kite (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, if only to not have two very similar events take up two bullet points. Wqwt (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  We have. Bremps... 02:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  Two separate events clash. Unnamelessness (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I feel that two events in the same sport can be put on the same line (many of the two winning teams are probably teammates at club level); that's not the same as merging either of these with Wimbledon. As with disasters, I feel like if earthquakes hit California and Texas on the same day, that would be posted on the same line because the response would probably be co-ordinated - different to posting an earthquake in the USA and one in China on the same line. I swear I've seen joint posting for when different European leagues have ended on the same day, or in the same week as the Champions League. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  This does make a good bit of sense. They're both continental championship finals in the exact same sport. We don't post a separate blurb for two separate finals from Wimbledon, for instance. Of course, that does hinge on this getting posted in a timely manner anyway; right now this article suffers from the all-too-common problem for championship finals of being just a table dumb with little to no prose. Nottheking (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  The article has a dozen paragraphs of prose and one table. — MarkH₂₁^talk 18:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support on principle. I've got a question though, shouldn't the blurb for this and the UEFA final ITN say that "... (Spain / Argentina) defeats (England / Colombia) ..." instead of the singular defeat since the blurbs are in present tense and the subject nations are singular nouns? SpacePod9 (talk) 23:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Each side of the Pond seems to have a different opinion on which is broken English (defeat or defeats). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  If it's an ENGVAR issue, since this Copa America involved North America, maybe "defeats" is the way to go. But IDK, it seems like it's more to do with certain countries referring to their national teams as "they", and some referring to their national teams as "it", and the subsequent verb agreement (they defeat, it defeats). In that case, we should probably look to the WP articles of the relevant national teams to see which pronoun seems to be in use, and make the blurb agree. Kingsif (talk) 04:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• See the current Euro 2024 blurb for the standard method of avoiding this issue. Black Kite (talk) 05:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support, also on principle. 2605:8D80:325:ABB8:4CDA:C019:1E39:3DB (talk) 02:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support. I was going to be the one to nominate this article, but thanks for doing so. 64.114 etc 03:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Posted combined blurb. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• I like it They're close in form, time and (questionable) prose quality. Nobody urgently needs to learn the score. The important thing is the finals (each one final) are featured, rather than divisive words about winning or losing. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Thank you - that's a well-handled combined blurb. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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