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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

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Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

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{{subst:NewDYKnom
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on May 21

Benton Air Force Station

• ... that the radar at Benton Air Force Station was once jammed by "the lady of the house" watching a soap opera ?

Created by Dincher (talk). Nominated by Dincher (talk) at 02:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't Look Behind You

• ... that award winning author Lois Duncan thinks that her novel Don't Look Behind You was a premonition of her daughter being killed by a hired gunman?

Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20

Ersatz Monarch class battleship

• ... that none of the Ersatz Monarch-class battleships were ever completed?

5x expanded by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 21:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note: Your DYK check tool will tell you that the article has not been X5 expanded in 10 days. However there was a copyright violation that resulted in the entire text of the article (with the exeption of a one sentence lead) being removed yesterday in this edit. With that in mind, the article passes the set criteria for a DYK.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:24, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
• This is for invalidating z43,36 and 25, JK I think that hook is very bland and boring. As stat hooks, like the fact that the Habsburgs had lots of waterthight compartments, are bland. I sugesst somthing relating to the history, maybe the guns. Buggie111 (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• How about Alt1: ... that the four s planned for the Austro-Hungarian Navy were expected to cost a total of 82 million kronen had they been completed? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 22:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• I like that, but I think "had they been completed" should be "but were never completed" or something similar. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and you need a non-breaking space between "82" and "million" ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:53, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Alt2: ... that the four s planned for the Austro-Hungarian Navy were expected to cost 82 million kronen each, but none were never completed?

Done. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 23:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Cryptoprocta spelea

• ... that although the giant fossa, formerly one of the top carnivores of Madagascar, is thought to be extinct, there is some anecdotal evidence of very large living fossas?

5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Robert Deniston Hume

• ... that Robert Deniston Hume, a late 19th-century salmon-cannery and hatchery owner on the lower Rogue River in the U.S. state of Oregon, referred to himself as a "pygmy monopolist"?

Created by Finetooth (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Pittsburgh Panthers baseball

• ... that Pitt baseball is the University of Pittsburgh's oldest sport, with its first recorded game in 1869?

Created by Crazypaco (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Castore class gunboat

• ... that the Italian ship Castore was commissioned as a gunboat, but was later redesignated as a barge, a minelayer, and a torpedo training vessel?

Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Kali Limenes (port)

• ... that, when Apostle Paul went to Greece to teach Christianity, he landed at a port whose name translates to Fair Havens?

Created by The Gnome (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• • ...or, then again, maybe not: see the article.--Wetman (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Herriard

• ... that one of the duties of the medieval English justice Richard Herriard (d. 1208) was paying prostitutes for King John of England?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Horndon mint

• ... that there is only one example of a coin struck at the Anglo-Saxon mint at Horndon-on-the-Hill?

Created by Rjm at sleepers (talk). Self nom at 10:28, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Dillhoffia

• ... that the extinct plant genus Dillhoffia (fruit pictured) can't be placed into a flowering plant family at this time?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 05:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ufferman Site

• ... that one archaeological site was discovered by groundhogs?

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• I count 1,632 characters. Nyttend (talk) 04:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm, bit of a stretch, but I guess it might squeak in. Certified quirky :) Gatoclass (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Rotrou III of Perche

• ... that Rotrou III of Perche was one of the first to go over the walls at the Siege of Antioch, a major action of the First Crusade?

Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by Srnec (talk) at 03:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good to me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Josselin Castle

• ... that thirty knights of Josselin Castle (pictured) defeated the same number from Ploërmel at the Battle of the Thirty?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 02:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Big Blue Meenie Recording Studio

• ... that Madonna’s first producer purchased an old chandelier factory in 1981, which has been used to make albums by Queen Latifah, INXS and Taking Back Sunday?

Note: original article was plagiarized (discussed here) and it has been ~5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk) 02:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC))

SMS Westfalen

• ... that SMS Westfalen (pictured) led the retreat of the German High Seas Fleet from the Battle of Jutland on 31 May – 1 June 1916?

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 19

Parten's stages of play

• ... that American sociologist Mildred Parten developed a theory on children's stages of play?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 21:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: if an AfD template is still present when a reviewer looks at this article, please note it refers to an old copyvio version, not my rewritten one (see AfD here, should be closed as withdrawn nomination very soon). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Votive paintings of Mexico

• ... that painter David Alfaro Siqueiros was denounced as a thief when he attempted to take a votive painting from a Mexican church?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 13:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy

• ... that in the documentary film Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy all eight Elm Street films are explored through interviews with over 100 members of production and cast?

5x expanded by Cartoon Boy (talk), Joe Chill (talk), Bignole (talk), and Dream Focus (talk). Nominated by MichaelQSchmidt (talk) at 03:40, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• The cover can't be used on the main page because it's a non-free image. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 03:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Removed. My bad. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

  Length verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. I made a small change to the hook, which is removing a space between cast and the question mark. I hope you don't mind. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 03:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

  Don't see how I could possibly mind. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) I also fixed the italics. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 04:01, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hold on. 11 people are listed in credits. Some should not be there, IMO, and I am not keen to point specifically who (only major content contributors are usually credited). Please do sort this out. Materialscientist (talk) 00:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm not a major content contributor. It's true that I found several links that showed notability, but Schmidt was the one that incorporated them into the article. It's true that I debated for several days to save this article and enlisted the help of Schmidt, but that still doesn't make me a major content contributor even though I helped stop the merge. Joe Chill (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

    Appreciated. Materialscientist (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

    • Okay, okay... I shortened the list a bit. I just wanted to share the credit with those who are still turning a lowly little stub into a rather decent article. Though Cartoon Boy initiated the return from redirect, I suppose I was the major contributor in its expansion and re-write. I do think acknowledgement should go Joe Chill for bring attention to its potential, to Bignole for reversing his original position and working to improve the article, and as well as to Chickenmonkey and MikeAllen... but will trust the final talley to the judgement of whoever takes this to mainpage. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

      No doubt, many editors contributed to this article (which is not unusual), but, I do not observe major content contribution from 3 editors who are still listed and suggest crediting MichaelQSchmidt, Cartoon Boy and maybe IP:70.141.210.20 (who is left out). Materialscientist (talk) 01:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

John Kobs

• ... that John Kobs, Michigan State's first hockey coach, switched Baseball Hall of Famer Robin Roberts from a first baseman to a pitcher?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 01:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Full of Hell

• ... that Howl's album, Full of Hell is dedicated to people who were called fags, weirdos and losers?

5x expanded by Cannibaloki (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 01:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Etienne Hastrel de Rivedoux

• ... that the Quebec-born Etienne Hastrel de Rivedoux helped to organize French military operations in the French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1801), the Napoleonic Wars (1805–1815,) and the July Revolution (1830)?

Created by Auntieruth55 (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. Nice work. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Votive crown

• ... that 26 gold Visigothic votive crowns, designed to be hung in a church (example pictured), were found in 1857 in the Treasure of Guarrazar?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 00:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note, one ref in easy French, I'm afraid. Johnbod (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• I read French; good to go. Btw - interesting article. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Alden John Bell

• ... that Alden John Bell refused to permit a bell in a campanile?

Created by Morenooso (talk), Farragutful (talk). Nominated by Morenooso (talk) at 22:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 "...that Alden John Bell was stabbed on his day off while preparing for a trip to see John Paul II?"

• Although I've nominated these, it's not been my work — Morenooso wrote the hooks and did everything except for posting the bit here. He has an injured hand and presumably can't do much typing, so he asked me to place the nomination here. Please don't give me credit for anything with this nomination. Nyttend (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ". . .that a blessed named Alden John Bell?
• ALT3: "that Alden John Bell was named by a blessed person other than his mom?

• I'd like to thank Nyttend for the nom. My wrist is still sore but I want to do some work today. I left the noms on his talkpage from this workspace area. I would to include the second ALT2 I left. Additionally, this could read DYK that AJB was named by a blessed person other than his mom? His mother naming him is obviously uncited but true as the mom signs the birth certificate. --moreno oso (talk) 14:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Tom Norman

• ... that Tom Norman was an English freak showman who exhibited an Electric Lady, a Balloon Headed Baby and the Elephant Man?

• ALT1:... that P. T. Barnum named English showman Tom Norman the "Silver King" because of his gift for putting on a show?

Created by Belovedfreak (talk). Nominated by Belovedfreak (talk) at 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Shcherbakov Shche-2

• ... that the Shcherbakov Shche-2 was used by the Soviet Air Force to resupply partisan forces during the Great Patriotic War?

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Heerfordt's syndrome

• ... that Heerfordt's syndrome affects 0.3% of those with sarcoidosis?

5x expanded by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Gesta pontificum Anglorum

• ... that the popularity of the medieval historical work Gesta pontificum Anglorum, written by William of Malmesbury about 1125, pales besides that of its companion work the Gesta Regum Anglorum?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

List of top 12 singles in 1952 (UK)

• ... that Al Martino had the first ever number-one single in the United Kingdom?

Created by 03md (talk). Nominated by 03md (talk) at 16:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

William of Wrotham

• ... that the medieval English royal administrator William of Wrotham (d. c. 1217) was responsible for the development of royal dockyards at Portsmouth?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Everything looks fine to me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Matt Skelhon

• ... that British shooter Matt Skelhon shot a perfect 600 out of 600 whilst winning a gold medal at the 2008 Summer Paralympics?

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook length & reference verified.--BelovedFreak 20:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Wem Town Hall

• ... that a photograph taken by Tony O'Rahilly of Wem Town Hall appeared to show the ghost of a young girl?

Created by 03md (talk). Nominated by 03md (talk) at 13:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Frithegod

• ... that the medieval poet Frithegod is best known for his Breviloquium Vitae Wilfridi, a Latin poem on the life of St Wilfrid that's been called "one of the most difficult Latin poems written in pre-conquest England"?

Created by User:Ealdgyth ([[User talk:|talk]]). Self nom at 12:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• added author! ref checks out Victuallers (talk) 22:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Edith Hughes (architect)

• ... that Edith Hughes, considered Britain's first practising woman architect, was refused entry to the all-male Royal Institute of British Architects in 1927?

Created by Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 12:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• tick Victuallers (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Myer Rosenblum

• ...that Wallaby Myer Rosenblum employed future Prime Minister of Australia John Howard as an articled clerk in 1959?

Created by User:Shirt58 (User talk:Shirt58). Self nom at 11:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Boldened and linked article title, and added other links. The article is well-sourced, but doesn't make clear the point of notability. Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Pyjama shark, leopard catshark

• ... that the pyjama shark and the leopard catshark (pictured) ambush chokka squid by hiding in the squid's spawning grounds?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Reginald of Canterbury

• ... that the medieval French monk Reginald of Canterbury wrote a long Latin epic poem on Malchus, a Syrian saint whose life was originally recorded by St Jerome?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 02:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Nymphaea thermarum

• ... that Nymphaea thermarum (pictured), the world's smallest water lily, was recently saved from extinction?

Created by First Light (talk). Nominated by First Light (talk) at 02:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• verified, all looks good. Very interesting! Mabalu (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Added (pictured). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Manusela National Park

• ... that Manusela National Park in Indonesia protects 14 endemic birds including the threatened Salmon-crested Cockatoo (pictured)?

5x expanded by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• verified.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 01:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 18

Heritage railways in Kauai

• ...that the oldest running locomotive in Hawaii, a 1887 Hohenzollern now at Grove Farm Museum, one of two heritage railways in Kauai, was almost sold for $500 to the Disney Company in the 1970s?

Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ciguli Miguli

• ... that Ciguli Miguli was a 1952 Yugoslav film that was banned for 25 years for its satire of socialist bureaucracy?

Created by GregorB (talk). Self nom at 11:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The Dragon (Beowulf)

• ... that J.R.R. Tolkien's dragon Smaug is based on the dragon from the Old English epic poem Beowulf?

Created/expanded by Truthkeeper88 (talk). Nominated by Truthkeeper88 (talk), Sadads (talk) at 01:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Juwan Howard

• ... that Juwan Howard (pictured) became the first National Basketball Association athlete who entered the NBA Draft early and still graduated on time along with his class?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 15:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• verified.--William S. Saturn (talk) 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Benjamin Ogle Tayloe

• ... that Benjamin Ogle Tayloe (pictured) dined with the USS Chesapeake's Captain, James Lawrence, on May 31, 1813, and then witnessed the ship's capture off Boston the next day?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 14:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT HOOK: ... that Benjamin Ogle Tayloe was one of the first people to enter the house of U.S. Secretary of State William Seward after his attempted assassination in April 1865, and stayed with him all night long? - Tim1965 (talk) 14:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
• ALT HOOK 2: ... that Alabama land- and slave-owner Benjamin Ogle Tayloe, reputed to be America's richest man in 1860, lost a half million dollars during the American Civil War? - Tim1965 (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Tremella

• ... that species of the jelly fungus genus Tremella (pictured) are parasitic on wood-rotting fungi?

5x expanded by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 04:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 17:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Swim ~

• ... that the British band Githead was originally formed in 2004 as a one-off live act to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Colin Newman's and Malka Spigel's record label Swim ~?

Created by DracoEssentialis (talk). Nominated by Jayen466 (talk) at 22:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Verified.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 01:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Cited sources for reference: BBC, Dusted Magazine --JN466 22:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Milecastle 7

• ... that Turret 7B (pictured) is the easternmost surviving stretch of Hadrian's Wall?

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• verified. (I like this one and suggest that it be the main hook when it makes the main page)--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 01:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• There is a bit of disparity between the hook, article and references that needs tidying up. Turret 7B is recessed into a 65m section of 'broad wall'. This is reflected in the article and so perhaps the hook should be tweaked to say this more explicitly? Nick Ottery (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that the section of the wall surrounding Turret 7B (pictured) is the easternmost surviving stretch of Hadrian's Wall?

This seems more complicated, and the original hook is neither false nor misleading is it? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

You may be right, I just feel that Turret 7B is a feature of the easternmost surviving stretch of the wall, rather than being an encapsulating name for that particular stretch of wall. I could easily be wrong, but that was my interpretation of the article and sources. I'll drop Dumelow a note about it. Nick Ottery (talk) 15:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I suppose one could argue either way - technically the wall is the easternmost, rather than the actual turret. However English Heritage (who own it) call the whole property "Denton Hall Turret" on their website and note that it contains "The foundations of a turret and a 65 metre (213 feet) length of Wall". Could we get around it by saying: "... that Denton Hall Turret (pictured) is the easternmost surviving stretch of Hadrian's Wall"? The intention being that we are talking about the whole property instead of just the actual turret remains - Dumelow (talk) 16:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Great, that explanation and slight tweak to the hook works for me. Thanks Dumelow. Nick Ottery (talk) 16:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Jon Whitmore

• ... that Jon Whitmore, the newly named CEO of ACT, Inc., the college-entrance exam company, leaves San Jose State University after only two years as president during a difficult financial crisis in California?

Created by Dwalls (talk). Self nom at 20:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. I suggest expanding the lead a bit more though.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 01:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hold up. (a) I'm not sure what the hook means - the tense of "leaves" rather than "left" or "will leave" is confusing; (b) the hook reads to me as critical of Whitmore and we don't do negative hooks at DYK; (c) I'm not sure the article subject is notable - there's only one independent source in the article, and the article itself doesn't explain his notability. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

(a) "will leave" is fine with me as substitute; (b) the hook is not meant to be negative regarding Whitmore, but rather point out the consequences of California's fiscal crisis on retaining skilled executives; (c) American university presidents are considered inherently notable in Wikipedia practice, and university source is used only for degree and career details, not the context of current career change. Dwalls (talk) 11:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Concerning item (c) above, being president of an accredited university meets a criteria for notability; see Wikipedia:Notability (academic), Criteria #6, as elaborated by Notes and Examples #13. On the use of university sources, the same policy states, "For the routine uncontroversial details of a career, official institutional sources are accepted." Dwalls (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Saab 18

• ... that the Saab 18 bomber could be fitted with a 57-millimetre (2.2 in) cannon under the nose for strafing missions?

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 20:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Leon Griffith

• ... that Arkansas Republicans in 1976 nominated for governor an unknown plumber, Leon Griffith of Pine Bluff, after a star football player declined the party's offer of support?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Which football? The link leads nowhere and everywhere. Dahn (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Tibet Museum (Lhasa)

• ... that the Tibet Museum (pictured) in Lhasa, established in 1999, is the first large-sized comprehensive modern museum in the Tibet Autonomous Region?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Miguel Fuentes

• ... that baseball player Miguel Fuentes, who threw the last pitch in Seattle Pilots history, was murdered at the age of 23?

• ALT1:... that baseball player Miguel Fuentes, who was murdered at the age of 23, threw the last pitch in Seattle Pilots history?

Created by Transaspie (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Traje de flamenca

• ... that although the hemline of the traje de flamenca (pictured) rose as far as the knees in the 1960s and '70s, it has now returned to the traditional ankle length?

• Comment: Translated from es-wiki

Created by Jmabel (talk). Self nom at 05:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 17

Robert John Armstrong

• ... that Robert John Armstrong gave the benediction at a farm boy's inauguration.? created by Farragutful (talk). Nominated by (talk) moreno oso (talk) 07:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ...that Robert John Armstrong, while considered an ordinary leader served 36 Northern California counties?

ALT2 ...that Robert John Armstrong was a knight who hosted an ancient order?

Vandal (tanker)

• ... that Russian tanker Vandal (pictured) was one of the world first two diesel-powered ships?

Created/expanded by East of Borschov (talk). Nominated by Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Eastern Docklands

• ... that the Eastern Docklands in Amsterdam, which used to be an industrial harbor area, now attracts trendy professionals and young families with children?

Created/expanded by Drmies (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), and Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 19:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• The first section needs some citations I think... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Yes. Done. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yuksom, Dubdi Monastery, Norbugang Chorten, Pemayangtse Monastery, Rabdentse, Sanga Choeling Monastery, Khecheopalri Lake, Tashiding Monastery

• ... that Chogyal established the first monastery in Sikkim at Yuksom in 1701, which is part of Buddhist pilgrimage circuit including Norbugang, Pemayangtse (pictured), Rabdentse, Sanga Choeling, Khecheopalri Lake, and Tashiding?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

8 article hook, suggestions in how to reduce wording would be welcome.

Technical comment: Added alt image for the "first monastery" Date and length verified for all 8. Expansion could be a bit less than 5x for Khecheopalri Lake article, but this is because of some junk copy/paste in the past. Fact verified through Google books. If you have a more solid reference (book, my refs are more of travel guides) on 1701, please add. Materialscientist (talk) 05:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Materialscientist, for the review and editing. Stub article expansion is always tricky since in many cases lots of unreferenced text is introduced initially by the earlier authors. I have noted your very valid point on additional reliable refrence to the year 1701. I have now added two reliable book references and also some additional text. I hope this will be adequate. Also thanks for changing the image in the infobox.--Nvvchar 13:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Tengboche

• ... that Tenzing Norgay, the first man to reach the summit of Mount Everest with Sir Edmund Hilary was once sent to Tengboche Monastery in Tengboche (pictured) to be a monk?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• I'd prefer a rephrase, as in that culture a placement in a monastery is very often not permanent, or intended to be so - "to be a monk" would be better. I see the ref, but also note the comments at his biography, which doesn't mention this at all. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Both sorted. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Rufus D. Hayes

• ... that in 1985, former Louisiana Insurance Commissioner Rufus D. Hayes sold 14 acres of land to Jimmy Swaggart Ministries for $750,000?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Mien Ruys

• ... that Mien Ruys, a Dutch garden architect, started the fad of designing gardens using railroad ties (Dutch, bielzen), so much so that her nickname became Bielzen Mien?

Created by Drmies (talk) and Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 03:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Obama Anak Menteng

• ... that Obama Anak Menteng (or Obama, the Menteng Kid), a novel about Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia, was written in just four days?

Created by Arsonal (talk). Nominated by Arsonal (talk) at 00:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Margariscus

• ... that the Pearl dace is not considered endangered federally in the United States, despite facing threats such as habitat destruction, invasive species, and overharvesting?

Created by Intelligentsium (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• The invasive species assertion isn't clearly referenced - this may merely need an additional ref tag for an existing ref. Also, the wording of the hook sounds like it could be better: how's this?. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the pearl dace is not listed as federally endangered in the United States, despite facing multiple threats that could lead to population declines?

I don't like splitting "multiple threats" into two links - it may be confusing. The threats have already caused population declined, according to the sources. I have referenced the invasive species fact. Intelligentsium 21:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that though the pearl dace faces threats such as habitat destruction, invasive species, and overharvesting, it has not yet been listed as federally endangered in the United States?

• Looks good to me. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Adolph Cornelis van Bruggen

• ... that Dutch malacologist Adolph Cornelis van Bruggen (pictured) is an expert in African land snails?

Created by Snek01 (talk). Nominated by Snek01 (talk) at 21:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Michael Doven

• ... that after serving as personal assistant to Tom Cruise, Michael Doven became a film producer?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

List of protest clubs

• ... that according to List of protest clubs, F.C. Internazionale Milano came into existence because of a protest against the fact members of A.C. Milan refused to let non-Italians play for them?

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Article has only 383 characters of prose, so isn't eligible for DYK -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

KNSM Island

• ... that the KNSM Island in Amsterdam, originally the docks for the Royal Dutch Steamboat Company and then long occupied by squatters, is now a haven for "Dockland chic"?

Created by Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 18:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

1909 Monterrey hurricane

• ... that a hurricane that struck Monterrey, Mexico, in 1909 resulted in the deaths of at least 4,000 people during the night of August 27?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 18:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Looks OK from here - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 01:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Avalanche (phishing group)

• ... that the criminal syndicate known as Avalanche was responsible for two-thirds of all phishing attacks in the second half of 2009?

Created by Kateshortforbob (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Ralph Foliot

• ... that the medieval English clergyman Ralph Foliot (d. c. 1198) donated 20 books to Hereford Cathedral on his death?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Ok, though you are supposed to ref the actual sentence. Johnbod (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• • I have added the ref on the sentence...Ealdgyth - Talk 05:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

John Hartnup Jr.

• ... that while inspecting anemometers on the rooftop of the Bidston Observatory, John Hartnup Jr. "was seized with a fit of giddiness" and fell to his death?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Adam of Eynsham

• ... that the medieval English monk Adam of Eynsham wrote the Magna Vita Sancti Hugonis, one of the fullest and most trustworthy hagiographies from the Middle Ages?

• ALT1:hook=... that the medieval English monk Adam of Eynsham wrote a work, which still survives, describing a vision his brother Edmund saw in 1196?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 15:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

History of meditation

• ... that the history of meditation (pictured) is inherently intertwined with the religious context within which it was practiced?

created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 7:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note: Here is the Google books link to verify the hook, first sentence of last paragraph on page 199 [1]. History2007 (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

What is the connection between hook and picture? Dahn (talk) 13:48, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Doris Mary Stenton

• ... that both Doris Mary Stenton (1894-1971) and her husband Frank Stenton were noted medievalists?

• ALT1:... that the historian Doris Mary Stenton helped revive the dormant Pipe Roll Society in 1922, and became its organizing secretary in 1923?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 13:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Arne Hestenes

• ... that Norwegian film critic Arne Hestenes, a one-time jury member of the Cannes Film Festival, was an honorary citizen of Cannes?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 12:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out. Foreign language sources accepted in good faith. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Australian Institute of Family Studies

• ... that the Australian Institute of Family Studies (est. 1980) conducts research in family wellbeing, used in publications such as the Special Commission of Inquiry into Child Protection Services in New South Wales?

Created by Ellyrobi (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 05:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

John Rinka

• ... that John Rinka, the eighth–highest scoring player in NCAA men's basketball history, scored 3,251 points before the three–point line was instituted?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 16

Michel Ordener

• ... that after the Battle of Austerlitz, Napoleon predicted General Michel Ordener would die within five or six years - and although he retired, Ordener died in 1811?

Created by Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 00:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Could also be

• ... that on Napoleon's orders, in 1804 Michel Ordener invaded the sovereign Duchy of Baden with 300 dragoons and kidnapped the Duke d'Enghien, who was later executed? Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Both hooks look OK to me! - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Reflex (magazine)

• ... that reading an issue of the magazine Reflex so seriously disturbed wife of a former Czech Prime Minister that she had to be hospitalized?

Created by Vejvančický (talk), Haploidavey (talk). Nominated by Vejvančický (talk) at 07:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Office for Budget Responsibility

• ... that George Osborne, in his first speech as the new UK Chancellor, announced a new independent Office for Budget Responsibility to take the politics out of economic forecasting?

Created by Colonel Warden (talk). Nominated by Fayenatic london (talk) at 17:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

2006 high school boys basketball All-Americans

• ... that 2006 high school boys basketball All-Americans included 24 McDonald's All-American Game selectees of whom about 22 are expected to play in the National Basketball Association?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 05:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Male breast cancer

• ... that breast cancer in men tends to be diagnosed later than breast cancer in women?

5x expanded by Ekem (talk). Nominated by Ekem (talk) at 03:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The Tree of Seasons

• ... that Stephen Gately's book The Tree of Seasons contains an introduction written by his husband describing his early life in one of "the poorest parts of Dublin City", "a place of civil unrest and terrorist activity"?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The Colm and Lucy Show

• ... that The Colm and Lucy Show began as a result of the death of the presenter of The Gerry Ryan Show?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I do suggest combining this nom with Death of Gerry Ryan below. Materialscientist (talk) 03:48, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ana María Canseco

• ... that Ana María Canseco has posed dressed as Greta Garbo and Got Milk? 5x expanded by moreno oso (talk) Self nom at 02:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ...that Ana María Canseco gets up at 4:30 a.m. every morning and has been voted twice as a beautiful person by a magazine? 5x expanded by moreno oso (talk) Self nom at 02:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ...that Ana María Canseco appears on the number-one rated Spanish language morning show but speaks English? 5x expanded by moreno oso Nominated by moreno oso ----moreno oso (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

White Shadows

• ... that "White Shadows" is the sixth single for Coldplay's third album X&Y?

Created by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by NerdyScienceDude (talk) at 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• DYKs are supposed to be extraordinary facts, and while we make a lot of latitude, this fact isn't even remotely extraordinary. Can you come up with another hook? - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

How about ALT1: that "White Shadows" was the last single for Coldplay's third album X&Y, resulting in just under half of the songs from the album becomeing singles?--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Between the two, I think I'd prefer the original hook- the unusual part being that a single album would produce six singles. I'm not a music person, but that strikes me as quite unusual. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

It's true. X&Y had six singles Speed of Sound (song) became the 1st single, Fix You was the 2nd Talk (song) was the 3rd, The Hardest Part (Coldplay song) was the fourth What If bacame the 5th single in France, Switzerland and Belgium only and White Shadows became the 6th and last single in 07' in Latin America only.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I'm not sure how unusual that is. For example, the 1995 album (What's the Story) Morning Glory? by Oasis produced six singles, exactly half of the twelve-track album. Secondly, given this was released as a single in Mexico only, shouldn't there be some sources/reviews from Mexican newspapers etc? Perhaps if this was investigated a suitable hook could be found. As it stands the article doesn't really have anything particularly extraordinary though perhaps the fact that Brian Eno played on it would be of interest? Nick Ottery (talk) 10:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Brian Eno, one of the principal innovators of ambient music, played synthesisers on Coldplay's 2007 single "White Shadows"?

This one sounds interesting. Not that many people would know that Eno would play synths for any song. Thanks Nick.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

A1 (Croatia)

• ... that 18.6% of the Croatian A1 motorway's route between Zagreb and Split consists of tunnels, bridges, viaducts and similar structures?

5x expanded by Tomobe03 (talk). Nominated by Tomobe03 (talk) at 21:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Tweaked the hook for grammar, and to remove the distance which wasn't verified in the article - and it reads better this way, I think. Anyway, good to go, I think. As a note, I'm not sure it's strictly 5x expanded - I'm not sure how the text in the exit list counts? - but I think this might qualify for WP:IAR in that regard. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 02:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Upon further review...I think this one actually needs a bit more work, sorry. Grammar needs more cleanup, and more expansion of the multiple short sections would be good. And perhaps converting into prose the bullet-point lists? This has great promise though. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 02:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• It looks good to me now. :) Not sure it's quite 5x expanded, but I'm willing to IAR this one if it's not, for sheer improvement. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 05:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Sara Zandieh

• ... that Sara Zandieh is a "Fulbrighter" and Tribeca Film Festival returning director? Created by A.m.c.1.9.9.9 (talk). 5x expansion by moreno oso Nominated by moreno oso ----moreno oso (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ...that Kirsten Dunst has competed against Sara Zandieh who received a Special Jury Mention? Created by A.m.c.1.9.9.9 (talk). 5x expansion by moreno oso Nominated by moreno oso ----moreno oso (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ...that Sara Zandieh shot a film in Tehran just prior to the Iranian election crisis? Created by A.m.c.1.9.9.9 (talk). 5x expansion by moreno oso Nominated by moreno oso ----moreno oso (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note: The article is currently at an AfD. It cannot be promoted until the AfD is complete, though the consensus seems to be keep now. The article contains 1550 characters of prose. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:06, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Understood. ----moreno oso (talk) 23:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Abyssal plain

• ... that despite covering more than 50% of this planet's surface, abyssal plains (pictured) are among the least explored regions on Earth?

5x expanded by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, expansion length and hook are fine. Picture has alt and rollover text and image licensing permissions appear fine. Congratulations on an exemplary expansion. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

List of Record Mirror number-one singles (UK)

• ... that Dean Martin's song "The Naughty Lady of Shady Lane" was a number-one in the United Kingdom but is omitted by the UK Singles Chart?

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 19:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hugh Bardulf

• ... that Hugh Bardulf (d. c. 1203) is one of the few justices mentioned by name in the Tractatus of Glanvill, an early medieval English legal text?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 18:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Associated Students, Chico

• ... that Associated Students, Chico is a student-owned and operated organization with assets of over $13 million and annual revenue over $30 million making it one of the largest non-profit organizations in Northern California?

Created by Gregbard (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Eiliv Austlid

• ... that when Captain Eiliv Austlid received the first War Cross with Sword in Norway in 60 years, his reputation was also restored, after having been brought into disrepute by first secretary-general of the United Nations, Trygve Lie?

Created by Leifern (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Swanson Science Center

• ... that the floors in the Swanson Science Center at Washington & Jefferson College are overstabilized to protect the laboratories from vibrations due to an adjacent highway?

Created by GrapedApe (talk). Nominated by GrapedApe (talk) at 15:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Ike Davis

• ... that Ike Davis, the New York Mets rookie first baseman, is the 197th son to follow in their father's footsteps and became a Major League Baseball player?

• ALT1:... that Ike Davis, the New York Mets rookie first baseman, was 23–0 in high school as a pitcher?

Expanded by Epeefleche (talk). Nominated by --Epeefleche (talk) 13:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• The first hook is ambiguous as it suggests that Davis' father had 197 children. Any chance you could rephrase it? Gatoclass (talk) 13:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Done. I've now changed to "their father's".--Epeefleche (talk) 13:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

This article requires some clean up... the entire introduction is unreferenced. The keeper of French yarn #7, Carbon Fiber division _{blah, blah, blah}^{Let there be sites} —Preceding undated comment added 13:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC).

• Done. The lede, which summarized material sourced in the body of the article, now reflects those refs as well. Note: I would not be against anyone deleting those references in the lede, per wp:lede, which states "Because the lead will usually repeat information also in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source".--Epeefleche (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• As noted, an unreferenced lead isn't necessarily a problem. It's only an issue if the DYK fact only appears in the lead of the article and not in the body. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 02:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Saint George's Church, Gavril Genovo

• ... that Saint George's Church in Gavril Genovo, northwestern Bulgaria, features vernacular Gothic Revival details and "puzzling" archaic decoration?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 10:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm aware there are only two sources, but this is a pretty fringe topic for which Tuleshkov's book is the best source, and in fact almost surely the only good one available. Todor→Bozhinov 11:01, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

8 Struve scientists

• ... that for more than 200 years, the Struve family produced scientists, including Jacob, Friedrich, Otto Wilhelm, Genrikh, Hermann, Ludwig, George Hermann, Wilfried and Otto Struve, six of whom became famous astronomers?

• Comment: The tree at the bottom of every article helps understanding the family relations. The non-astronomers or non-famous are Jacob, Genrikh and Wilfried. I gave up 5x expanding non-bolded articles, but brushed/will brush them. The largest article is on Otto. Please vote on the image.

Created/expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 10:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Looks like a good hook, except I dislike the use of "produced". ceranthor 10:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• I prefer the second picture as it shows two of the people named in the hook. Mikenorton (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Interstate XBDR

• ... ...that although two prototypes of the Interstate XBDR flying bomb were ordered, only a 1/17-scale model was ever built?

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Iowa Highway 316

• ... that 2⅓ miles (5.8 km) of Iowa Highway 316 form the border between Marion County and Warren County, Iowa?

5x expanded by Fredddie (talk). Self nom at 03:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 15

Marbury, Cheshire

• ... that Marbury cum Quoisley in Cheshire, England, has a 20 m (66 ft) obelisk (pictured)?

5x expanded by Espresso Addict (talk). Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk) at 20:35, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Lychgate at St Michael's Church, Marbury, Cheshire

• Alt 1: ... that the listed buildings of Marbury cum Quoisley in Cheshire, England, include an obelisk (pictured), lychgate, churchyard wall and half a bridge?
• Alt 1a: ... that the listed buildings of Marbury cum Quoisley in Cheshire, England, include an obelisk, lychgate (pictured), churchyard wall and half a bridge?

Louis Cottrell, Jr.

• ... that Louisiana Creole jazz clarinetist Louis Cottrell, Jr. (pictured), played Carnegie Hall in 1974?

5x expanded by Lionelt (talk). Nominated by Lionelt (talk) at 09:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Coleman Station Historic District

• ... that a federal appeals court ruled that the Keeper did not have to remove the Coleman Station Historic District (landscape pictured) near Millerton, New York, from the National Register of Historic Places even though a state court had overturned the listing for procedural flaws?

• ALT1:... that a coffee roasting plant has been built among the dairy farms historically located in the Coleman Station Historic District (landscape pictured) near Millerton, New York?
• ALT2:that the completion of the New York and Harlem Railroad spurred farms in the Coleman Station Historic District (landscape pictured) near Millerton, New York, to move from diverse animal farming to mostly dairy farming?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 14:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Zoe Leonard

• ... that photographer and artist Zoe Leonard's 1995 exhibition Strange Fruit (for David) featured discarded fruit skins sewn together and decorated?

Created by Belovedfreak (talk). Nominated by Belovedfreak (talk) at 21:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Blue Mont Central College

• ... that Blue Mont Central College was a private, Methodist institute of higher learning that was the forerunner of Kansas State University?

Created by Kgwo1972 (talk). Nominated by Kgwo1972 (talk) at 20:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ...that Blue Mont Central College, the forerunner of Kansas State University, was a private, Methodist institute of higher learning?
• ALT2 ...that Blue Mont Central College, the forerunner of Kansas State University, was among the first three institutes of higher learning incorporated in Kansas Territory by Governor James W. Denver in 1858?
• ALT3 ...that Blue Mont Central College, the forerunner of Kansas State University, was incorporated in Kansas Territory by Governor James W. Denver in February 1858, three years before Kansas became a state?

EContentplus ‎

• ... that between 2005 and 2008, EContentplus funded over 60 digital content projects ‎in the European Union, including DIGMAP and Communia?

Created by User:Momma's Little Helper (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Benjamin Ogle Tayloe House

• ... that the Benjamin Ogle Tayloe House (pictured) in Washington, D.C., has been called the "Cream White House" and the "Little White House," and was once the headquarters for NASA?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 13:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 Yuanyang colliery outburst

• ... that a recent gas outburst at a colliery in China led to death, poisoning, suspensions, sackings and the disappearance of one person?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Historically significant lunar eclipses

• ... that a lunar eclipse enabled Christopher Columbus (pictured) to trick the indigenous people into resuming supplying food to him and his crew while they were stranded in Jamaica?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Nominated by Mbz1 (talk) at 23:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• I just now fixed up the hook a bit, although the prose still seems a bit awkward. And is the use of the word "natives" OK or not? Invertzoo (talk) 00:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• I fixed the prose up some more and changed "natives" to "indigenous people". I think it reads OK now. Invertzoo (talk) 00:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Nigel Cullen

• ... that World War II fighter pilot Nigel Cullen (pictured), who became an ace with 16 aerial victories, was nicknamed "Ape" for his imposing physique?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Nominated by Ian Rose (talk) at 23:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• Intriguing subject. Good to go. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 14:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Madras (costume)

• ... that the headscarf of the St. Lucian national costume can be tied to show the availability of the woman for courtship?

Self nom FruitMonkey (talk). FruitMonkey (talk) 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Robert. V. Hogg

• ... that professor of statistics of the University of Iowa Robert V. Hogg has a special issue of Communications in Statistics—Theory and Methods (1996) that is devoted to him?

Created by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Nominated by Joe Chill (talk) at 22:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... that statistician Robert V. Hogg proved an early version of Basu's theorem. ?

Created by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Nominated by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) at 22:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... that Allen Craig not only directed the dissertation of Robert V. Hogg and co-wrote their textbook on mathematical statistics but also served as the best man at Hogg's wedding and as the "godparent" to each of Hogg's four children, one of whom, Allen, was named after Craig?

Created by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Nominated by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) at 22:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... that, while President of the American Statistical Association, Robert V. Hogg wore the name tag "Boss Hogg" after the character on the television series The Dukes of Hazard?

Created by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Nominated by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) at 22:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... that Professor Robert V. Hogg won his first teaching award at the University of Iowa after a student submitted a nomination entitled "There is a hog in my statistics book!"?

Created by User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Nominated by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) at 22:38, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Rene Relampagos

• ... that Rene Relampagos, the newly-elected Governor of the Province of Bohol, Philippines was the former Governor of the same province?

5x expanded by Pinay (talk). Nominated by Pinay (talk) at 19:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, but there's one minor and two big problems here. First, it should be with the pages created on May 10th, not pages expanded here, since it hasn't been expanded 5x. Bigger problem: the hook is erronious - he was elected representative, not governor, right? Biggest problem: it's under 1500 characters prose. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 05:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Dominican Republic presidential election, 2000

• ... that Hipólito Mejía was elected in the first round of the 2000 Dominican Republic presidential election despite not winning the majority required to avoid a runoff election?

• ALT1:... that despite being blind and unable to walk without assistance Joaquín Balaguer won 24.6% of the vote in the 2000 Dominican Republic presidential election?

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that Joaquín Balaguer, who won 24.6% of the vote in the 2000 Dominican Republic presidential election, was blind and required assistance to walk?

Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean

• ... that the same cast members starred in Robert Altman's 1982 Broadway and film versions of Ed Graczyk's Come Back to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean?

• Comment: Proposing a triple hook—almost never got that in today. Sorry, I almost slept on that chance... --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Slgrandson (talk). Nominated by Slgrandson (talk) at 16:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Murder of Said Bourarach

• ... that the 2010 murder of Said Bourarach in the French city of Bobigny was described by the chairman of a local Muslim organization as a "horrifying racist crime"?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 16:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

While this article has only one source at the moment, it's still quite comprehensive and it satisfies the 1500 character minimum. Stonemason89 (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Legatine council

• ... that during the Middle Ages, a papal legate holding a legatine council outranked all other council attendees?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that during the Middle Ages at a Legatine council held by Cuno of Praeneste that Emperor Henry V was excommunicated? Lionelt (talk) 10:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
• The preceding is a better hook, however this article Henry_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Second_Italian_expedition suggests that Guido excommunicated Henry V. Does this contradict the assertion that Cuno excommunicated Henry V? Lionelt (talk) 10:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Tilottama

• ... that according to the Hindu epic Mahabharata, the apsara Tilottama was so beautiful that the god-king Indra developed a thousand eyes on his body to see her?

5x expanded by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 15:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• hook tweaked ... nice pic Victuallers (talk) 16:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Großes Torpedoboot 1913 class torpedo boat

• ... that the Großes Torpedoboot 1913 class torpedo boat was the largest class of torpedo boats ever produced for the Kaiserliche Marine?

Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 15:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Charles de Condren

• ... that Charles de Condren (1588-1641), was the second superior of the Oratory of Jesus?

• Comment: The hook is supported by (this source (first line) and this Template:Fr

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Achelous (1359)

• ... that the Battle of Achelous, during Nikephoros II Orsini was killed and his whole army destroyed by Albanian forces marked the end of the Orsini dynasty in the Despotate of Epirus?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 10:28, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

List of sole survivors of aviation accidents or incidents

• ... that Andrew Jack was the sole survivor of the aviation crash that killed the Prince George, Duke of Kent?

5x expansion by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that both Erika Delgado, and Ruben van Assouw were nine years old when they became sole survivors of aviation crashes?

Gothic! Ten Original Dark Tales

• ... that the horror short story compilation novel Gothic! Ten Original Dark Tales won five major awards and was nominated for another?

Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 14

Gonzalo Aguirre Villafán

• ... that Gonzalo Aguirre Villafán, former president of the parliamentary Defense Committee of Bolivia, was educated in Israel?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 23:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

World War II Radio Heroes: Letters of Compassion

• ... that families of U.S. military personnel captured during World War II often first learned of their loved one's status from shortwave radio listeners?

5x created by Nicocorn20 (talk). Expanded and nominated by LuckyLouie (talk) at 02:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Holy Grail tapestries

• ... that the Holy Grail tapestries (detail pictured) depicting scenes from the legend of King Arthur were designed by Edward Burne-Jones, William Morris, and John Henry Dearle?

Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

All ok Johnbod (talk) 03:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Late alt hook: ... that some of the Holy Grail tapestries (detail pictured) designed by Edward Burne-Jones, William Morris, and John Henry Dearle are now owned by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Jimmy Page? - PKM (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Also ok, & a better hook (disclosure; I had added A L-W myself) Johnbod (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thomas C. Kinkaid

• ... that Admiral Thomas C. Kinkaid (pictured) received the Navy Distinguished Service Medal on three separate occasions, for his actions during the Battle of the Coral Sea, the Battle of the Eastern Solomons, and the Battle of Attu?

5x expanded by Hawkeye7 (talk). Nominated by DiverDave (talk) at 04:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• I don't see a citation in the article for the Attu DSM? (Also, tweaked the hook, Kinkaid was given his fourth star before the end of the war) - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 23:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Einsiedeln Eschbach ski jumps

• ...that the K-105 ski jumping hill in Schanzen Einsiedeln is named after World Championchips winner Andreas Küttel?

Created by KzKrann (talk). Nominated by KzKrann (talk) at 00:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Re A (Children) (Conjoined Twins: Surgical Separation)

• ... that in Re A (Children) (Conjoined Twins: Surgical Separation) an English court permitted the separation of two conjoined twins knowing that one would die?

Created by Francium12 (talk). Nominated by Francium12 (talk) at 23:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hermes o Logios

• ... that Hermes o Logios (cover pictured) is regarded as the most significant Greek periodical of the period prior to the Greek War of Independence (1821)?

Created/expanded by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Emanuelle Goes to Dinosaur Land

• ... the wedding featured in the 30 Rock episode "Emanuelle Goes to Dinosaur Land" was filmed in Saint Cecilia's Catholic Church in Greenpoint, Brooklyn?

Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

F+W C-3605

• ... that the nose of the F+W C-3605 had to be stretched by six feet (1.8 m) to balance its center of gravity?

Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Tupolev ANT-37

• ... that the Tupolev ANT-37 Rodina was used to set a flight distance record by an all-female crew in 1938?

Created by MilborneOne (talk), The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 19:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

St. Thomas Episcopal Church (Amenia Union, New York)

• ... that to save money on the construction of St. Thomas Episcopal Church (pictured) in Amenia Union, New York, the congregants brought building materials to the site with their own horse teams?

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 18:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Countdown to Zero

• ... that the documentary film Countdown to Zero, which analyzes the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons, has been privately screened by United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 16:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Arieh O'Sullivan

• ... that Arieh O'Sullivan is an award-winning defense correspondent who has covered Israel and the Middle East for over 2 decades?

Created by Jackie Levy (talk). Nominated by Bejinhan (talk) at 13:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Milecastle 9

• that Milecastle 9 of Hadrian's Wall may have been garrisoned by just eight men?

• ALT1:that Milecastle 9 marks a boundary on Hadrian's Wall between milecastles with known positions and those that are uncertain?
• ALT2:... that Milecastle 9 was damaged by modern day ploughing?

Created by Sam.roebuck (talk), Dumelow (talk). Nominated by Dumelow (talk) at 10:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Can I ask what was the usual number of men per milecastle? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Up to 32. I have added this to the article - Dumelow (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it can be added to the hook, otherwise the 8 doesn't sound very surprising? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3: that Milecastle 9 of Hadrian's Wall may have been garrisoned by just eight men rather than the usual 32?

I don't think there was a usual number, the source just gives the extremes of 8 and 32. Perhaps we could go for "... that a Roman Mile of Hadrian's Wall may have been patrolled by just eight men from Milecastle 9?" which alludes to the length of wall that the eight men would have been responsible for - Dumelow (talk) 22:16, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Lakes Argyle and Kununurra Ramsar Site

• ... that the Lakes Argyle and Kununurra Ramsar Site sometimes holds up to 200,000 waterbirds, as well as large numbers of Freshwater Crocodiles?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Gold to Go

• ... that Gold to Go offers 10-gram gold bars and custom pure gold coins for purchase from vending machines?

Created by /Blaxthos ( t / c ). Self nom at 04:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Richard Baker Wingfield-Baker

• ... that Richard Baker Wingfield-Baker was High Sheriff of Essex?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Richard Baker Wingfield-Baker served as High Sheriff of Essex, Deputy Lieutenant of Essex, and Member of Parliament for South Essex?

Bowen site

• ... that archaeologists found pottery shards at the Bowen site linking it to the Oliver Phase of woodland culture devleopment?

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 02:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• suggested insertion: "in Marion County, Indiana".--Wetman (talk) 17:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899

• ... that in the aftermath of the Kentucky gubernatorial election of 1899, one of the candidates was assassinated and another candidate was charged as an accomplice to the crime?

Created by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Giuliana Camerino

• ... that Giuliana Camerino named her Venetian fashion house Roberta di Camerino after the Fred Astaire & Ginger Rogers film Roberta?

Created by Mabalu (talk). Self nom at 20:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 13

King Matt the First

• ... that the 1923 children's novel King Matt the First is as popular in Poland as Peter Pan is in the English-speaking world?

Created by Nbarth (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 22:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

submitted on behalf of Piotrus. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 22:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Albert W. Barney

• ... that Albert W. Barney owned a restaurant and was a chief justice of the Vermont Supreme Court created by RFD (talk). Nominated by (talk) moreno oso (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC))

ALT1 ...that Albert W. Barney served in the United States Navy and presided at Vermont's last death penalty case? created by RFD (talk). Nominated by (talk) moreno oso (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ...that Albert W. Barney received an award from a day school and retired after sitting on the bench? created by RFD (talk). Nominated by (talk) moreno oso (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, if my count is correct, this article was also 5X expanded by me. I like hook #3 but went with his lede hook. The academy wikilink explains that it is a day school. Academy could be substitute but it looses some of the hook.----moreno oso (talk) 22:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

HMS Laura (1805)

• ... that in 1807, the British schooners HMS Laura and HMS Ballahoo captured the French privateer Rhone without suffering any casualties?

Created by Acad Ronin (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:54, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The cite for this seems to be at the end of the paragraph, not immediately after the fact. The sources are offline; would someone with access to them be able to fix the citation? --Kateshortforbob _talk 13:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunatly Volume 4 of James isn't on Google Books. Augh. How's this if that can't be squared away? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 14:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... ...that HMS Laura, captured by the French in 1812, became an American privateer, only to be recaptured by the British less than a year later?

I have added links to the sources for both DYK alternatives. Does this solve the problem? Also, Laura was a letter of marque, which is not quite the same thing as a privateer. Anyway, thanks all for the interest and the nomination. Acad Ronin (talk) 16:15, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Edward Griffin Hitchcock, Harvey Rexford Hitchcock

• ... that Edward Griffin Hitchcock (pictured), son of missionary Harvey Rexford Hitchcock (1800–1855) was known as "the Holy Terror" as Sheriff of Hawaiʻi island?

• Comment: Harvey Rexford Hitchcock expanded May 14 from a redirect to his great-grandson namesake - see article for family tree

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 22:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Minsmere RSPB reserve

• ... that the reed beds of Minsmere RSPB reserve, one of the UK's premier birdwatching sites, were established as a result of anti-invasion measures during World War II?

5x expanded by HelioSmith (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Hunterian Collection

• ... that the coin collection from the Hunterian Collection (pictured) was probably the finest ever put together by a private individual?

• Comment: The hook came from here

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Franz Kelch

• ... that the bass Franz Kelch sang the role of Seneca in the first recording of the opera L'incoronazione di Poppea by Claudio Monteverdi with Walter Goehr and the Tonhalle Orchester Zürich?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Winfield Killam

• ... that in 1921 Oliver Winfield Killam, a Texas industrialist and former Oklahoma state legislator, launched the South Texas Oil Boom centered near Laredo?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Shishupala Vadha

• ... that Shishupala Vadha, a Sanskrit epic poem by Magha, contains what has been called "the most complex and exquisite type of palindrome ever invented"?

5x expanded by Shreevatsa (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Note that Magha (mentioned in the hook) was also 5x expanded, but some of the text is common with this article. The stuff of the current hook is mentioned in the third section ("Linguistic ingenuity"), which may also be used for alternative interesting hooks. Shreevatsa (talk) 22:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
• Dates, expansion, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 ^talk 16:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Cyrba

• ... that the jumping spider genus Cyrba is said to be primitive because they retain characteristics that other spiders in the family Salticidae (example pictured) lost?

5x expanded by Joe Chill (talk). Nominated by Joe Chill (talk) at 21:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• You could illustrate this hook with the jumping spider article image, here, which was picture of the year on Commons last year. Gatoclass (talk) 07:46, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
  • That's the wrong genus. Joe Chill (talk) 11:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

An image doesn't have to illustrate the hook article itself. Since the hook mentions the family salticidae, you could just add "example pictured" after the mention of it. Gatoclass (talk) 06:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Joe Chill (talk) 12:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

"have"=>"retain". Makes the sentence clearer and stronger. "Have lost" would be the more idiomatic tense.--Wetman (talk) 17:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I changed it. Joe Chill (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Unclear referencing of the hook fact, and the one-sentence sections look quite awkward as well. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 14:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
  • How is it unclear? The source is here: http://biostor.org/reference/49. Joe Chill (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
    • The reference gives the appearance of only referencing the last bit about vision in that paragraph. Thanks for the clarification - an additional ^[#] to that ref on the sentence before might help though, and the sections need some fleshing out. Still good for DYK though. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 15:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Spanish ship Duque de Tetuán (1874)

• ... that the Spanish floating battery Duque de Tetuán was considered a failure as a ship of war?

Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Worthless Comment I wanted to expand that, but nothing turned out. Leave Arapiles for me, please. Buggie111 (talk) 01:05, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 06:00, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Gabriel Flores

• ...that Mexican painter Gabriel Flores created a mural in 1967 honoring the child heroes who died in the Battle of Chapultepec during the Mexican-American War?

Created by Mahanga (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm, so I just realized that Google has recently listed Guadalajara Reporter as a possible attack site, which is ridiculous and unfortunate. It wasn't like this a few days ago. I guess it has inadvertently served some malicous files in some instances. Guadalajara Reporter is a reliable source (it's the main English newspaper for the city of Guadalajara) and it's linked to from many places (including Wikipedia and Google News!). I've added a second reference, but it's in Spanish. Here's a google translation in English ([2]). Mahanga^Talk 18:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

R (Bancoult) v Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (No 2)

• ...that in the Bancoult litigation, the English courts and government first decided that the Chagossians could return home, then that they couldn't, then that they could, and then that they couldn't? Ironholds (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Fraoch Eilean, Loch Awe

• ... that the charter document of 1267 which placed the Scottish island and castle of Fraoch Eilean into the keeping of Clan Macnaghten is one of the oldest documents held by the National Archives of Scotland?

• ALT1:... that according to local tradition, the rental paid to the king for the Scottish castle and island of Fraoch Eilean was one snowball?

Created by Nick Ottery (talk). Self nom at 17:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Oldest synagogues in Israel

• ... that seven synagogues (example pictured) have been discovered in Israel that predate the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem?

Created by OldShul Self nom 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 - ... that seven of the oldest synagogues in Israel (example pictured) predate the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem?

changed to reflect the article title (isn't that a requirement?). Note, I make no assertion as to the suitableness of this entry, just trying to improve it slightly. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Hook fact is not referenced at all. Johnbod (talk) 03:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Botswana judicial reform referendum, 2001

• ... that voter turnout for the 2001 judicial reform referendum in Botswana was just 4.9%?

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 12:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Dates, length, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 ^talk 14:46, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Sri Mulyani Indrawati

• ... that resignation of Sri Mulyani Indrawati as finance minister of Indonesia cause its stock exchange to drop by 3.8%, its currency value to drop by 1%, and was fourth most talked topic in Twitter?

Created by Arifhidayat (talk). Self nom at 12:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Charles Jenkins (basketball)

• ... that Charles Jenkins, a men's college basketball player for Hofstra University, can become just the third 3–time Haggerty Award recipient if he wins as a senior in 2010–11?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that Charles Jenkins, a men's college basketball player and uprising senior at Hofstra University, is on pace to become the school's all–time leading scorer?

Golden Cue

• ... that the Golden Cue Billiard Lounge is the only extant billiard hall in Albany, New York?

Created by Jvanderwerken,SMcandlish (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 02:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Formatted the hook. I think you need a different hook as you have no source for the fact apart from an absence of finding one. Does anyone have a camera in Albany? Victuallers (talk) 15:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I'ts at AFD, but I've withdrawed the nomination. Buggie111 (talk) 02:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

See talk of page. Buggie111 (talk) 13:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Psychiatric Solutions

• ... that Psychiatric Solutions is being investigated by the Justice Department for sexual abuse and fraud?

expanded by User:Tkfy7cf (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• So? Lots of companies are under investigation by one government agency or another. The only wya this hook works as is is if the company itself could be charged with the sexual abuse, which would be a rather novel prosecution. Daniel Case (talk) 04:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

And that's not at all what the cited source suggests. It doesn't even mention the sexual abuse. Daniel Case (talk) 04:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, this article has several bare URL references, which need to be fixed before it can be used in DYK. Also, I continue to question the neutrality of this article. cmadler (talk) 20:34, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Also DYK avoids negative hooks about living persons. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 12

Walter Conway

• ... that the Britain's National Health Service was based on Walter Conway's Tredegar Medical Aid Society?

Created by John Desmond (talk), Victuallers. Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• (alt)... that Walter Conway's Tredegar Medical Aid Society was what made Bevan say he was going to "Tredegarise" everyone when he launched Britain's Health service?

double hook Victuallers (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Clarrie Isaacs

• ... that Australian Aboriginal activist Clarrie Isaacs was denied entry to Australia while travelling on an Aboriginal passport?

Created by Hack (talk). Nominated by Hack (talk) at 02:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - I have concerns that I'm not sure how to fix around the phrase "Aboriginal passport". These are documents issued by the "Aboriginal Provisional Government", a not for profit organisation with no legislative backing (unlike, say, the ACT Indigenous Elected Body") that has no power to issue, or purport to issue, passports. A reading of the source makes it clear that Libya accepted these passports by mistake, and that Australia unsurprisingly didn't recognise them when Isaacs tried to come back into the country. He eventually DID get back in (presumably by showing valid Australian passports). Changing it to "a purported Aboriginal passport" might fix it, or "on what he claimed was a valid Aboriginal passport". To be clear - I like this hook, it's interesting, it just needs clarification. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 - ... that Australian Aboriginal activist Clarrie Isaacs was denied entry to Australia while attempting to use a passport issued by the Aboriginal Provisional Government?

• Is that NPOV? Hack (talk) 07:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 approved. I took out "self-styled"; I'm pretty sure other people styled them that as well, and it's not really necessary or complimentary. With that change, length is fine (1949 characters of eligible prose, not counting headers, TOC, etc), date is fine, and hook is fine and appropriately sourced. Good to go. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Both the hook and article are very unclear as to what exactly the "Aboriginal Provisional Government" is supposed to be. It would be nice to have an article on that to link here. –Grondemar 02:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Avro Canada CF-103

Side and top/bottom views of a twin-jet aircraft with swept, almost delta, wings.

• ... that design work on the Avro Canada CF-103 (pictured) was begun even before the aircraft it was supposed to replace had entered service?

Created by Dangerousbuzz934 (talk), Bzuk (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length fine, offline sources for hook accepted in good faith. Image did not have rollover text but I added it. Alt text and image licensing are fine. - 121.127.210.99 (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• Sorry, the approval above is me. Forgot to log in. - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Gassed (painting)

• ... that the 20-foot long war painting Gassed was inspired by the "harrowing sight" of blindfolded British soldiers witnessed by American painter John Singer Sargent after a mustard gas attack near Arras in July 1918?

Created by Theramin (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Nice. some in line refs required? Victuallers (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Malapai Hill

• ... that Malapai Hill could have formed because of intrusive activity or been exposed by erosion?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Nominated by Ceranthor (talk) at 17:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• Missing full references. Also seems very short, though it clocks in at 1766 words. Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Allchar deposit, Lorandite

• ... that thallium-rich mineral lorandite from the Allchar deposit is being used to determine the flux of solar neutrino?

Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Expanded lorandite, corrected the tense (the experiment is on-going, thus "is being used"). Sorry for using journals, there is much about this basic fact on google books on that too. Materialscientist (talk) 04:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

1992 College Baseball All-America Team

Jason Veritek

• ... ... that the 1992 College Baseball All-America Team included three future Major League All-Stars, two future Olympians and the Major League career recordholder for no-hitters caught (pictured)?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 04:03, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Mumford House

• ... that the restoration of Lewis Mumford's house (pictured) in Amenia, New York, after his death actually made it more difficult to sell?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 03:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK, well-referenced and nicely-written, too. The hook detracts from the main thrust of the article, though, that this was the house where Mumford produced much of his best work. Could you suggest an ALT? Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

That's sort of a boring hook. Mumford lived there for over half his life, and most of his authorial life ... of course he would have produced his best work there. The hook I proposed is one of those that's meant to make you go "hmmm ...", as the usual assumption is that a historic house freshly restored to its original appearance will sell more readily. Daniel Case (talk) 11:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, I accept your rationale. Good to go! Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Román Loayza Caero

• ... that when Bolivian veteran trade unionist Román Loayza Caero announced his presidential aspirations in 2009 CSUTCB, the union he had led for nine years, publicly denounced his candidature?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 17:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Boeing Phantom Ray

• ... that Boeing's Phantom Ray Unmanned combat aircraft was kept a secret even within the company for almost two years?

Created by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk), Bilcat (talk), Fnlayson (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 15:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hold, awaiting email permission to license image as CC-BY-SA. Marcus Aurelius (talk) 22:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Jim Keet

• ... that as a state senator in 1995, Jim Keet, the 2010 Arkansas Republican gubernatorial nominee, co-sponsored a law to raise safety standards for boating?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Self-Portrait with Palette (Manet)

• ... that Édouard Manet's 1879 Self-Portrait with Palette (pictured) is expected to bring up to $42.5 million USD at auction this June?

• Comment: Translated from a featured article on the German Wikipedia. Was created on May 5th as a stub but expanded fivefold on May 12th. The hook is mentioned in the lead but cited farther down in the article. Lithoderm 22:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by User:Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk). Self-nom at 22:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• fine Victuallers (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Black-shouldered Kite

• ... that a Black-shouldered Kite was seen bringing 14 mice to its nestlings in a single hour (pictured)?

5x expanded by User (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the edit history, it does not appear that you expanded the article by 5x. Expanded, certainly. Expanded enough? I don't think so. —ems24 23:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit history isn't reliable for DYK counting purposes, since only prose counts, and the edit history shows everthing. In this case, though, the article is, indeed, 6021 characters short. Ouch. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 04:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It went from 570 words to 1,800; 1 reference to 49 references; 2 images to 7 images. Apologies, that seemed like 5x to me, but thanks for the encouragement. Marj (talk) 05:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries, it's sometimes a little difficult to tell what counts and what doesn't. It's an intriguing article - perhaps a bit of a search of the ornithological literature might turn up enough to push it over the top. :) - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 14:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've exhausted SORA but my uni library has some books ... Marj (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Jani Vreto

• ... that Albanian writer Jani Vreto was excommunicated by the Orthodox metropolitan of Gjirokastër, who accused him of having commited heresy by "creating an Albanian question"?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Michael Ochs

• ... that Michael Ochs, whose photographic archive was described by The New York Times as "the premier source of musician photography in the world", started collecting pictures as a hobby?

• ALT1:... that Michael Ochs, whose photographic archive started as a hobby, decided to become a professional when Dick Clark sent him an unexpected check after Clark used some of Ochs's pictures on a television special?

Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 18:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. As a photographer, I find the hooks rather tame. What about something along the lines of "His pictures are featured in practically every release by Rhino Records and Bear Family Records"? Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that pictures from the photographic archive of Michael Ochs have been featured in practically every release by Rhino Records and Bear Family Records?

Works for me. Just as an FYI: the source for that is a press release. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Odd Øyen

• ... that Odd Øyen, active in Norway's WWII resistance, later became the first non-Swede in many years to be decorated for participation in a conflict (Congo Crisis)?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 17:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• May I suggest (since the Order of Vasa link is otherwise a bit of an Easter Egg) ALT1: ... that Odd Øyen, active in Norway's WWII resistance, later became the first non-Swede in many years to receive the Order of Vasa for participation in a conflict (Congo Crisis)? Magic♪piano 20:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 is no good in any case as it's not correct, he's the first non-Swede to be decorated with the order of Vasa, not decorated generally. - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Surrender of Lord Cornwallis

• ... that John Trumbull's painting, the Surrender of Lord Cornwallis (pictured), which hangs in the rotunda of the United States Capitol, was damaged by a thrown penny in 1971?

Created/expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• "The article says "damage from a penny that was thrown hard enough to pierce the canvas was repaired. All of the Rotunda paintings were most recently cleaned in 2008." and the reference says "damage from a penny that was thrown hard enough to pierce the canvas was repaired. All of the Rotunda paintings were most recently cleaned in 2008.". The article should not be an exact copy. At worst it should paraphrase. Victuallers (talk) 09:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• The only portion of the article that is copied is the description and this sentence, and it is properly credited. This is (as the article notes) a public domain source (it's a U.S. government work), and the text is of reasonable quality; why should it be changed? Magic♪piano 12:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The piece I quote above has quote marks .... there are none around the section that is quoted in the article. Admittedly half of the text I quote is referenced correctly in the article, but the other half is left unreferenced. This isn't a legal problem. As you say the article is PD source but its always wise to attribute. Its also expected to have quote marks where it is a quote. I only looked at this one piece. I take your word that the rest is original text, but the sample I looked at was not well attributed.

DYK assumes that all new articles are original unless quote marks and refs indicate otherwise. A mostly referenced, mostly cut and paste from a PD source is legal for WP but not acceptable to DYK. Note: I am not saying your article is mostly cut and paste - I am just showing an extreme example and "Why" (as you asked) its important to change text (if it isn't a quote) for a DYK entry. Hope that helps Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I see no mention either in WP:DYK or WP:DYKAR concerning the nature of sources used, or a requirement that the text actually be the original work of an editor. (If there is commentary elsewhere in talk space, feel free to direct me there -- I don't normally follow those sorts of discussions.) I still do not understand why it is necessary to use quotations for the PD text that I imported; it is all fully cited to its originator, and specifically called out in the reference section that PD text is being used. (I have no idea what you are referring to with "but the other half is left unreferenced". Please tell me exactly which text you claim is not properly attributed.) Magic♪piano 02:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Happy to let someone else give a view. Seems obvious to me that you quote and ref it as well. Shakespeare said "To be or not to be". That statement is now public domain but its reffed and has quotemarks. Maybe its me but I can't think of a simpler way of putting what "original work of an editor" means. Victuallers (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Robert M. Marionneaux

• ... that Louisiana State Sen. Robert M. Marionneaux is the first white elected to campus government at historically black Southern University in Baton Rouge?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

R v Secretary of State for the Home Department, ex parte Northumbria Police Authority

• ...that the decision in R v Secretary of State for the Home Department, ex parte Northumbria Police Authority was described by Robert Ward as opening "a Pandora's box - from which a host of evils were loosed upon the world"? Ironholds (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - I'm not a big fan of these "was described as" hooks unless you say who said it (and I'm not sure they're compliant with the policy on quotations). I could, right now, call the case "fascinating", and provide the foundation for a "was described as fascinating" hook; it's misleading in that it's leading the reader into implying the missing word "notably". - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Now added. I assume the query on policy is the fact that it isn't immediately attributed or referenced? DYK hooks in general aren't attributed or referenced. If inline citations are the standard you want to set then you may as well delete T:DYK. Ironholds (talk) 10:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Aldona Gustas

• ... that Lithuanian born Aldona Gustas co-founded an artistic forum in West Berlin, the "Berliner Malerpoeten", intended to attract individuals who both wrote and illustrated their works?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Paro Chhu

• ... that due to Bhutanese tradition, which regards river convergence as inauspicious, there are three chortens built especially to ward off evil spirits at the point where the Paro Chhu converges with the Wong Chhu?

Created by Chandan Guha (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Isn't "superstition" a tad POV? Johnbod (talk) 13:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, changed "superstition" to "tradition" - that's more neutral. - Chandan Guha (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that a bridge over the Paro Chhu in Bhutan was washed away in a flood in 1969? - Chandan Guha (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
• ALT2 ... that chortens were built at the point of convergence of Paro Chhu with the Wong Chhu to ward off evil spells because Bhutanese tradition considered the convergence inauspicious? - Chandan Guha (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 11

Fay Boozman

• ... that Fay Boozman, as the state health director under Governor Mike Huckabee, managed the "Healthy Arkansas" initiative, including the fight against obesity?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 12:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Dates and length both good. AGF of offline sourcing. --Allen3 ^talk 12:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Roa–Hønefoss Line

• ... that the Roa–Hønefoss Line (Jevnaker Station pictued) was built to allow the Bergen Line to both connect to Oslo, Norway, and be built with standard gauge?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Nominated by Arsenikk (talk) at 22:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Monza ampullae

• ... that the Monza ampullae are metal pilgrimage souvenirs from the Holy Land, dating to about 600 AD, and important for their iconography?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 02:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

1991 College Baseball All-America Team

• ... that the 1991 College Baseball All-America Team included a future Major League All-Star, a future Olympic games gold medalist and the Major League career pinch hit RBI recordholder (pictured)?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 03:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Charles Winter (cricketer, born 1866), Charles Winter (cricketer, born 1890), Charles Winter (cricketer, born 1903)

• ... that cricketers Charles Winter, Charles Winter, and Charles Winter all failed to make double-figure scores when batting on their first-class debuts?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Indian Rock Schoolhouse

• ... that Indian Rock Schoolhouse (pictured) is the only one of 12 19th-century one-room schoolhouses remaining intact in Amenia, New York?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 18:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Technology Center

• ... that the Vilar Technology Center at Washington & Jefferson College was renamed the Technology Center, after its namesake reneged on a $18.1 million pledge to the College?

Created by GrapedApe (talk). Nominated by GrapedApe (talk) at 03:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Louisette Bertholle

• ... that Louisette Bertholle was one of three authors of the seminal 1961 cookbook Mastering the Art of French Cooking, with Julia Child and Simone Beck?

Created by Burpelson AFB (talk). Nominated by Burpelson AFB (talk) at 23:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I know this is kind of short but I believe it just makes it over the 1500 character quota. Burpelson AFB (talk) 23:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Unfortunately only around 500 characters at the moment -- only readable prose counts, not references, lists etc. Can you expand it? Espresso Addict (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• I see, I will work on it. Burpelson AFB (talk) 01:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
• I installed that handy javascript tool. After expansion, it now seems to really be a bit over 1500. Burpelson AFB (talk) 02:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Pizzo Coca

Pizzo Coca

• ... that Pizzo Coca (pictured) was formed with a post-glacial valley?

Created by Starzynka (talk). Nominated by Morenooso (talk) at 21:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 ...that Pizzo Coca (pictured) is the highest peak located within the Bergamo Alps?

ALT2 ...that Pizzo Coca Mountain (pictured) is 3050 meters (10,007') with a prominence height of 1878 meters and a saddle of 1172 meters?

318 characters. Needs to be at least 1,500 characters. Joe Chill (talk) 22:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I just found a larger Italian Wikipedia article on Pizzo Coca. The first one found was the Italian version in English and was listed was a stub. This Pizzo Coca it.wikipedia.org has more information and appears to be sourced by four Italian cites. Do you know how to port over an article like this and could that be used for the character count?--Morenooso (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

You can plug any language website URL into translate.google.com for a pretty accurate translation. I added some text to the article using this method that may need some minor cleanup but puts it over the 1500 threshold. Burpelson AFB (talk) 03:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The nomination should now exceed the requirement thanks with an assist from Burpelson AFB. Going back and forth from the Google translations is killing me. I may add one more citation before I go to bed and will work on the article tomorrow. --Morenooso (talk) 05:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

The main hook was added and the old one became ALT1. I've taken the article as far as I can. Not sure if it qualifies for 5x expansion. ----moreno oso (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• DYK Tool seems to suggest that it has reached 5x expansion. "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 46 edits ago on May 12, 2010" which was when the article was nominated. -- Esemono (talk) 03:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Durham Athletic Park

• ... that, in 1926, baseball's first Commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, dedicated the original Durham Athletic Park, by riding into the stadium atop a live bull?

5x expanded by Mustang dvs (talk). Nominated by Mustang dvs (talk) at 20:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion has less than doubled the readable prose size present on September 15, 2009 (9025 characters / 4766 characters ≈ 1.9). Well short of the 5x expansion requirement. --Allen3 ^talk 11:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Lopushna Monastery

• ... that the cathedral of the Lopushna Monastery in northwestern Bulgaria, built in the 1850s, employs vernacular Gothic decorative features?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 20:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Foreign language sources AGF Nice job.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Carrier Pigeon (ship)

• ... that the clipper ship Carrier Pigeon successfully navigated the "roaring forties", "furious fifties" and "screaming sixties" only to get wrecked on the rocks (pictured) of Central California, 500 feet offshore?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 10

Lucy Lambert Hale

• ... that Lucy Lambert Hale, the secret fiancée of Lincoln's assassin John Wilkes Booth, later married a United States Secretary of the Navy?

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Nominated by Ghmyrtle (talk) at 18:19, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

SECAT S-5

• ... that the design of the SECAT S-5 was based on that of an earlier aircraft, work on which had been interrupted by the Nazis?

Created by RuthAS (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 14:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hook claim only partially supported by article. The article indicates it was "hostilities" (presumably from World War II) that caused the interruption. While Nazis certainly played a part in those hostilities, they were not the only belligerent party in said hostilities. Giving them sole credit for the interruption stretches the truth beyond the point of reason. --Allen3 ^talk 00:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps so (although the only other possible party would have been the Italians...); how's this? Alt1: ... that the design of the SECAT S-5 was based on that of an earlier aircraft, work on which the outbreak of World War II had disrupted? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 00:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

• of ALT1. --Allen3 ^talk 00:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ouvrage Fermont

• ... that the only French soldier killed in the 1940 assault on the Maginot Line's Ouvrage Fermont is interred in its main gallery?

5x expanded by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 20:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Humble Indie Bundle

• ... that the Humble Indie Bundle, a week-long "pay what you want" charitable promotion from several independent video game developers, raised over $1 million?

Created by Masem (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hook is over 260 characters in length. Maximum allowable length is 200 characters. --Allen3 ^talk 16:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Nominator has edited the hook for length. --Allen3 ^talk 16:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Pulaka

• ... that the traditional crop of the Pacific island of Tuvalu, Pulaka, is threatened by rising sea levels, and thus is their way of life threatened as well?

Created by Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 05:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• Are there any science people around who can shed light on the naming issue? I left a note for a smart person on the talk page. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Gelöbnis treuester Gefolgschaft

• ... that 88 German writers and poets signed a vow of most faithful allegiance to Adolf Hitler in October 1933?

Created by Theramin (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, but this needs inline citations before it can be passed (at present it has none). Ericoides (talk) 09:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is now supported by an appropriate inline citation, and date and length are fine, so it's technically good to go. I'd mention, though, that this citation is the ONLY source in the article, and the rest of the article is full of ugly redlinks, the majority of which will almost certainly not found articles on notable subjects. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:10, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Most of the article doesn't have inline citations. Shubinator (talk) 16:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• That's not a bar to DYK unless you're suggesting that it's a contravention of a content policy sufficient to found a deletion. DYK is for new articles, not perfect articles. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Per WP:DYK, the article in general should use inline, cited sources. Also, see WT:DYK#Pulling hooks from the queues; this article is far below one citation per paragraph. Shubinator (talk) 02:41, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• And while we're at it, it's also treading on D4 since it's single-sourced. Shubinator (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Per my comments in another one of these, "the article in general should use inline, cited sources" has to be read as "as opposed to other methods of citation", as otherwise it would be contradicting WP:CITE, which requires citations only for material likely to be challenged, and for quotations. D4 refers to the hook - we prefer hooks with multiple citations - rather than the article as a whole. And sadly it's been a while since DYK had enough review churn to be able to prefer some hooks over others rather than take what it's given. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, it'd be better if we took this over to WT:DYK. But on D4: I was the one who put the rule in WP:DYKDN, and it does cover the whole article. Even if it did cover just the hook, the article doesn't have multiple sources for the hook either. And yes, I haven't been able to dedicate as much time to DYK as I once did. Shubinator (talk) 02:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Discussion centralised at WT:DYK. Thanks. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Result of discussion is no consensus to accept this nomination without further inline citations; at least one citation per paragraph is likely to fix concerns. - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Angela de la Cruz and Susan Philipsz

• ... that Angela de la Cruz, Susan Philipsz, Dexter Dalwood and the Otolith Group were nominated for the 2010 Turner Prize?

Created by Theramin (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• DYK rules require the hook fact to be mentioned in the article. Neither Dalwood or the Otolith group are mentioned in either of the nominated articles (Both are however mentioned in the news articles cited as article sources). Either the hook needs to be edited to remove the unlisted nominees or one (or both) of the articles need an appropriate addition. --Allen3 ^talk 20:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Letter-winged Kite

• ... that the Letter-winged Kite of Central Australia is the world's only nocturnal raptor?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion, date, and hook checked out, though I would have preferred to have a fact like this cited to a journal rather than a website. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

...except for owls of course. This statement depends on raptor being confined solely to diurnal birds of prey, which makes it rather circular...--Wetman (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Raptor is a dab page, which leads to bird of prey, which says the term includes owls. I suppose it's meant to be the world's only nocturnal falconiform, but that leads to some taxonomic uncertainty. Ucucha 16:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Hm. How's this work? (since, iirc, kites aren't grouped with the falcons, but rather between Osprey and Accipiters). - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 17:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Alt1: ... that Australia's Letter-winged Kite is the only fully nocturnal member of the order Accipitriformes?

Actually, the source given doesn't say that it's the only nocturnal accipitriform, raptor, or anything else—just that it's nocturnal. Ucucha 17:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the fluid definitions of raptor and bird of prey aren't helpful. Alternatives below. At least one of them called it the only fully nocturnal raptor...but...Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Hm. How's this then? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 17:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... that the population of the Letter-winged Kite is linked with that of the Long-haired Rat?

• ... that the black under-wing markings of the Letter-winged Kite resemble an 'M' or 'W'? Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Eulalie Durocher

• ... that Canadian nun Eulalie Durocher is credited with returning a man to life and changing the course of two fires?

5x expanded by DustFormsWords (talk). Nominated by DustFormsWords (talk) at 08:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• "Is credited" sounds like Wikipedia's authentication; can "by the faithful" or something akin be added?--Wetman (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• 'By the faithful' isn't supported by the sources; there's no evidence that Carr or the Detroit man were Roman Catholics or Christians of any sort (although common sense tells us they probably were). "The faithful" is also fairly unencyclopedic language. "Is credited" is neutral language, because (a) it's verifiable that she is credited by at least one person (and two newspapers) with these events, and (b) it makes no assertion that the events actually happened, merely that someone believes they did. The slightly more awkward phrasing "has been credited" could be used if that helps. - DustFormsWords (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• I stand by the wording of the original hook, but if it's helpful, here's another. You should also feel free to strip the wikilinks to "resurrection" and "miracle" in both hooks if they're objected to. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:06, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
• ALT1 ... that Canadian nun Eulalie Durocher has been associated with the recovery of a man declared dead and sudden changes in the course of two fires?

Premier League Golden Boot

• 
  ... that in England's Premier League football competition, 14 players from 10 different clubs have won the Golden Boot award, given to the season's top scorer?

Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not clear why a picture of the Premiership trophy is included. Mikenorton (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Rachel Chiesley, Lady Grange

• ... that an Edinburgh judge and Member of Parliament had his wife, Lady Grange (pictured) kidnapped and incarcerated in various remote locations on the western seaboard of Scotland for thirteen years of effective imprisonment?

Created by Ben MacDui (talk). Self nom at 19:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hook too long at 226 characters. Mikenorton (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

• How about ALT1 ... that an Edinburgh judge and Member of Parliament had his wife, Lady Grange (pictured) kidnapped and effectively imprisoned for thirteen years in various remote parts of western Scotland? Mikenorton (talk) 16:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely fine and apologies - I received my first wiki-award for an over-lengthy hook and I am probably unconsciously hoping to get another one! Ben MacDui

Cornwallis in India, Siege of Seringapatam (1792)

• ... that Charles Cornwallis, during his governorship in India, refused to blame General William Medows for his performance in the 1792 Siege of Seringapatam?

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Cornwallis in India is new; Siege of Seringapatam (1792) is 5x expanded. The hook as stated is currently only in the latter article; I can also add it to the former if this is required for DYK. Magic♪piano 17:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Dates and lengths look good. AGF of offline sourcing. --Allen3 ^talk 13:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Syzygium smithii

• ... that a hedge or topiary made of the lillipilli Syzygium smithii is more resistant to psyllids than other lillipillies are?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:47, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• wp link to Lillipilli added Victuallers (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
  • That's a disambiguation page. I wouldn't think we'd want to link to a disambiguation page from a DYK article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
    • And a link to syzygium itself is a bit too general as the genus is pretty large and contains lots beside lillipillies. Maybe best to just delink. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

1. You're right - should not link to dab page 2. Sorry for delay ...IMO, If the hook is going to hinge on the membership of a group called lillpillis then the reader should be able to find out what this terms means.... cos I don't and without that understanding the hook doesn't make an impression. Could someone stub it? Happy for others to take a different view. Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Death of Gerry Ryan

• ... that thousands of people queued to sign books of condolence after the death of Gerry Ryan (pictured) and his funeral was aired on radio?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 03:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Ready. Joe Chill (talk) 02:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• • Note: The article is currently at an AfD. It cannot be promoted until the AfD is complete. Nsk92 (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, the consensus appears to be delete. Joe Chill (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

      Yet the AFD was closed as keep. Materialscientist (talk) 04:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

      • Article is now at Deletion review. --Allen3 ^talk 11:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• So I guess they're trying to reverse the Keep ruling?

  Yes, but with very limited success. Anyway, I suggest merging this nomination with The Colm and Lucy Show above. Materialscientist (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 9

Lectionary 241

• ... that Lectionary 241 (pictured) belonged to Matthew Baillie, physician and pathologist, before it came to the Glasgow University Library?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Albanian (periodical)

• ... that the magazine Albania is widely regarded as the most important Albanian periodical in the beginning of the 20th century?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• Source does not support the phrasing "widely regarded" or "most important Albanian periodical" or "beginning of the 20th century" (direct quote is "soon became the most important organ of the Albanian press at the turn of the century"). In any case, even sourced, it's an opinion or summary, not a verifiable fact. Length and date are okay, for what it's worth. Image has appropriate alt text, rollover text and licensing. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
• It was founded in the end of 19th century, so "at the turn of the century" means the beginning of the 20th century. I don't think a rewording of the hook is needed but if you need it another hook how about:

• ALT1: ... that the magazine Albania is regarded as a mini-encyclopedia of the Albanian culture of the early 20th century?

--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 08:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Maria Serraino

• ... that Maria Serraino, the female leader of an Italian 'Ndrangheta crime gang, was regularly beaten up by her husband?

Created by DonCalo (talk). Nominated by DonCalo (talk) at 20:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Article doesn't support "regularly"; it says her daughter saw her beaten on at least one occasion and goes no further. If the hook was to be used, "beaten up" should be changed to "beaten". Also this is a living person and "leader of a crime gang" is an allegation of ongoing criminal conduct, as opposed to conduct at a specific point in time (and thus cannot be substantiated). Also we don't do negative hooks about living people at DYK. Also the article has many, many POV issues and the section the hook is taken from is written in essay style, not encyclopedic style. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Breslov Research Institute

• ... that the first English translations of the works of Rebbe Nachman of Breslov were published by Breslov Research Institute more than 170 years after the Rebbe's death?

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 16:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• boldened article Victuallers (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Ref checks out .... but is it 3rd party? I did a search but couldn't quickly find another source. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The only Google pages I could find citing actual statistics about BRI were on the company's own webpage. Comments about the books themselves are available on amazon.com and other booksellers. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 8

H. Welborn Ayres

• ... that the Louisiana state appeal court Judge H. Welborn Ayres wrote a history of his native Ashland, a village in northern Natchitoches Parish?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length verified. The hook is good, but it is the only interesting line in the whole article. The rest of the article is a straight biography, without any mention of the Judge's impact or decisions to show notability. Yoninah (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Doug Yasinsky

• ... that by the end of 1991, Doug Yasinsky had wrestled in Japan, Canada, and almost every state in the United States?

Created by 72.74.199.204 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 19:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length Ok, but the hook and much of the article are based on his own words (interview) - not reliable, IMO. Materialscientist (talk) 05:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Zirve 2010

• ... that Turkish singer Demet Akalın’s latest album was released on a later date as she was stuck in Germany because of the air travel constrictions after the 2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull?

Created by Robster1983 (talk). Nominated by Robster1983 (talk) at 15:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hooks can only be 200 characters long.

• Don't know who wrote that, but they are right; this hook is 221 characters long. Ucucha 15:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

• I think it should be alright now? --Robster1983 (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Nick Smith (British politician)

• ... that after an election rival called him a product of "Blairite New Labour", Nick Smith called for the "personal mud-slinging" to stop?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 7

Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz

• ... that Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz became an architect against the wishes of his father, himself an architect, and only after the father's death? New article. --Hegvald (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: I am nominating this now to squeeze it in before the five-day window has passed, but there is no terrible hurry in including it quite yet. The "Life" part of the biography is more or less finished, but I am planning to finish the second, "Work", part in the next few days. --Hegvald (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• D6 It has been a week since the above promise to deal with the multiple empty sections was made. The article history shows no evidence of any work during this time. --Allen3 ^talk 15:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Michael Hill (entrepreneur)

• ... that the last three New Zealand Open, the leading men's golf tournament in New Zealand, were played on Michael Hill's private golf course?

• Comment: The author has accepted a WP:COI on his talk page. Nevertheless, it's a good article, there's absolutely no issue about notability of the article's subject. There are more interesting hooks possible (e.g. aiming to have 1000 shops by 2022), but the source is offline and whilst I assume good faith, the hook as proposed is very easy to check. My question is whether it should be "Michael Hill's" or "Michael Hill's", though.

Created by Jewelryguy46 (talk). Nominated by Schwede66 (talk) at 10:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Peter Johnson Gulick, Luther Halsey Gulick Sr.

• ... that all seven surviving children of missionary Peter Johnson Gulick (1796–1877) also became missionaries, to places ranging from Kobe, Japan to Spain?

• ALT1:... that seven children of missionary Peter Johnson Gulick (1796–1877) also became missionaries, to places including Kobe, Japan, Honolulu, Hawaii, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and Madrid, Spain?

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

While waiting I created another article Luther Halsey Gulick Sr. about one of the sons. A double hook might be:

• ... that Luther Halsey Gulick, son of missionary Peter Johnson Gulick, had a son Luther Halsey Gulick who is in the basketball Hall of Fame, and a grandson also named Luther Halsey Gulick?

W Nowicki (talk) 20:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Iaukea

• ... ...that Rocky Iaukea, who wrestled as the Mad Dog of Baghdad, won five NWA championships?

Created by 72.74.199.204 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

• A few technical problems. The hook is misleading, in that although he wrestled as "Mad Dog of Baghdad" and won five championships, he didn't win five championships wrestling as the "Mad Dog of Baghdad". The source cited in the sentence beginning "Wrestling under the name 'Mad Dog of Baghdad'" doesn't make the claim that Rocky Iaukea and the Mad Dog are the same person, and there's otherwise no sentence in the article supporting that. And not all the sentences in the article necessary to support the claim of five wins have an inline citation at the end of the sentence. - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, how about just this then;  Chzz  ►  01:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• ... ...that Rocky Iaukea, the American professional wrestler, is the son of King Curtis Iaukea?

Postage stamps and postal history of the Nyassa Company

• ... that the destruction of over 150 million reis-worth of Nyassa Company stamps (example pictured) was ordered in 1895 by the Portuguese government because the stamps had been printed in England and not Portugal?

5x expanded by I know Nyassa (talk). Self nom at 12:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this nomination invisible? I know Nyassa (talk) 11:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Claim that the Portuguese government ordered the stamp's destruction is uncited. --Allen3 ^talk 12:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

What's the issue? The use of the word "destroyed" or the fact that the article with the relevant information is cited for the preceding sentence and not re-cited in the sentence which says "Portuguese government declared the issue invalid and required its destruction - all but a small number of the stamps were therefore destroyed"? If the latter, then I've recited the same article for the second sentence as well as the first, if the former then suppressed = destroyed. I know Nyassa (talk) 14:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for your edit adding the needed citation. Everything now looks good to go. --Allen3 ^talk 22:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 6

Indianapolis Journal

• ... that Hoosier poet James Whitcomb Riley's poem "Little Orphant Annie" was first published in the Indianapolis Journal?

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 00:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• I am not sure what the length limits are? This might not qualify. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 00:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

At 1,803 bytes and Start-class, it's fine. Could you check the third sentence of the second paragraph, though? – Something funny has happened (accidental copy-paste?) and it doesn't flow. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Locomotor effects of shoes

• ... that the Locomotor effects of shoes can be used as a post-operative rehabilitation method?

Created by Gtg722x (talk). Nominated by Gtg722x (talk) at 17:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

• DYK rules require an inline citation at the end of the sentence that supports the hook (at the end of the paragraph is insufficient). - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Minuscule 699

• ... that Minuscule 699 (pictured) has unfinished treatise of Pseudo-Dorotheus, on the Seventy disciples and the 12 Apostles?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Thorne Memorial School

• ... that in order for the village of Millbrook, New York, to accept the donation of Thorne Memorial School (pictured), it had to incorporate?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 15:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Danny Kushlick

• ... that Danny Kushlick's manifesto for the 2010 UK general election included the statement that "the most important special relationship isn't with the US, but with your mum"?

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

• The {{merge}} template at the top of the article needs to be resolved before this article can be seriously considered for DYK. Otherwise the article can effectively disappear between the time it is scheduled an the time the hook appears on the Main Page. --Allen3 ^talk 23:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• The merge template was added after the DYK nomination, and a discussion has started on the article's talk page. FTR, I have supported the merge proposal so withdraw this nomination. matt (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 5

Prisoner functionary

• ... that Nazi concentration camps relied on a hierarchical prisoner functionary system to both run the day-to-day camp operations and keep the prisoners divided and dependent?

5x expanded by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Why is the word Prisoner capitalized in the hook and in the article? -Atmoz (talk) 22:09, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I have never done this before and thought that was the style here. I actually had had it lc (lower case) at first and have now changed it. It was the same thing for the article. I only have it capitalized in the first sentence, but will change that now, if that's wrong. I have also added the word "hierarchical". Marrante (talk) 06:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

This article appears to be an expansion of Kapo (concentration camp), which was written in 2009. I think that most of this information should be merged into the Kapo article, as the term Funktionshäftling ("prisoner functionary") seems to be synonymous with Kapo, according to the author. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I significantly expanded the prisoner functionary article and added to the kapo article, which had some inaccuracies. I expanded the prisoner functionary article because I kept coming across the term in other articles I was working on. What was then in the "prisoner functionary" article was so insignifcant as to be confusing and even misleading, in that it gave no indication of the role they actually played. Checking the German version of this article, I saw, as I expected to find, a very much longer article. I then brought that information over to the English WP, adding to it.

The kapo article was started on December 4, 2005 by Vikingstad and the prisoner functionary article was begun on July 21, 2009 by Altenmann. Almost nothing was done on prisoner functionary till I began looking at it on May 5. The lion's share of the article is what I added to it and I can tell you that I did not do this as an expansion of the kapo article, but rather to understand the term "prisoner functionary".

I think the two articles are fine just as they are, separate, with wikilinks to the other. Some points:

• The German Wikipedia also has separate pages for "kapo" and "prisoner functionary". They are both of similar length to the English pages.
• There is a Kapo disambiguation page, which makes me think the article deserves its own page.
• I've been working on articles related to Nazi concentration camps for several months and in my opinion, the term "prisoner functionary" clearly warrants its own page. I certainly don't think the articles should be merged under the title of "Kapo", even if Google shows more hits for the word.

Marrante (talk) 08:00, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Lectionary 239 and Lectionary 240

• ... that Lectionary 239 (pictured) and Lectionary 240 (pictured) once belonged to the chaplain of George III, then to William Hunter?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Save the Children State of the World's Mothers report

• ... that Save the Children's State of the World's Mothers report ranked the U.S. 28th, citing a lifetime risk of maternal death five times greater in the U.S. than in Bosnia and Herzegovina?

Created by Mike Serfas (talk). Self nom at 02:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

• A LOT of this article is lists, tables and quotes. Thelmadatter (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Excluding table, figure legends, quotes, categories, footnotes and references, I count 2778 characters at present. I hope this satisfies the selection criteria? Though I should make a last roundup of news articles before this goes up. Mike Serfas (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Lynfeld

• ... that the farmhouse (pictured) at Lynfeld in Washington, New York is built in a rough "C" shape, an unusual configuration for an Italianate-style building?

• ALT1:... that one of the owners of Lynfeld (main house pictured) in Washington, New York, introduced new breeds of pigs, sheep, horses and cows to the Hudson Valley?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 16:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

• The entire article is based on one source. I could not open the link in my computer to see if it is a COPYVIO. Yoninah (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I can assure you it isn't, as can many other people here who've reviewed my past submissions, but if you'd rather trust but verify than AGF, find a computer with sufficiently updated JavaScript or ask someone else if they can. Daniel Case (talk) 11:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I cannot open the link either for the same reason. Hard to AGF when everything is from one source.Thelmadatter (talk) 13:57, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, you mean you can't AGF because you can't open the nomination document. Someone else will be able to. Daniel Case (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

After messages about an expired certificate and an older version of Java, I was able to run this Java (originating from www.daeja.com) Also, if you look at the page source, the document consists simply of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12. Looking at the text very quickly, I can see that it is not copied verbatim. Mike Serfas (talk) 00:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Eh, Daniel .. please do consider adding page numbers for DYK sake. It is so easy to use, e.g. <ref>Todd p. 12</ref>, or just <ref>Todd 12</ref> and so on. Both hooks verified. ALT1 is more interesting to me, but it is less relevant to the house. Thus 3rd opinion (on hook selection) is welcome. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

List of commanding officers of the USS Oklahoma (BB 37)

• ... that the last commander of the USS Oklahoma held that position for 34 minutes?

Created by Buggie111 (talk). Nominated by Buggie111 (talk) at 19:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Article uses bare URLs in its references, requires significant copy editing, and (most troubling) the timeline in the article does not match the hook fact. Setting aside that the text said "forty minutes" until I changed it to say "thirty-six minutes" to match the times specified, the following sentence refutes that timeline. If this ("Eight minutes after the attack started at 7:55 AM Kenworthy gave the command to abandon ship, doing so himself a minute later.") is true then he abandoned ship at 8:04am, not 8:06am, and the command was just 34 minutes. However, now I'm curious what the cited book says and would like to review the source rather than have this quietly corrected and passed along to the front page. - Dravecky (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• If you mean copyediting in terms of double captialization (i.e.: MAy,), than I'm fine. I had added the cpasizing time, not the time that the call was passed. Sorry. And I'll fix the bare refs. Buggie111 (talk) 00:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

• I mean copyediting like repeatedly correcting "Oklkahoma", "beofre", "preperation", "excersies" plus miscapitalizations as "oklahoma", "bristol", and so many more. Also, this is about a US Navy vessel and thus should use US spelling ("defense" instead of "defence", for example). I've just spent a few minutes scrubbing out the more egregious spelling and other errors but I'm not sure what "eogth Naval Governor" should really be nor have I fixed the grammar. I'm not pushing for FA-quality prose here, but certain minimum standards must apply. Also, the article is not in any categories. As I'm unsure what categories would apply to this article, I've tagged it {{uncat}} which I'm sure you can easily remedy.- Dravecky (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
• Also, please take a look at WP:MOSSHIP for how to format the names of naval vessels. - Dravecky (talk) 03:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedits, and I've fixed the few formatting errors wehre I italiisized USS. Please recheck. Buggie111 (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I really have to ask myself if this topic is notable. Are we going to have separate articles for the commanders of every US Navy ship? This seems to me to be setting an undesirable precedent. Gatoclass (talk) 03:22, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The subject's being discussed at WPSHIPS. Some say "no", some (like me) say "sometimes". For capital ships, one could say being the commander of one is notability, I'd think... - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 03:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

WPSHIPS - Commanding_Officers seems to be talking about lists in Ship articles not actual independent List articles-- Esemono (talk) 13:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Notability aside the article seems to have been cleaned up quite a bit. -- Esemono (talk) 13:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we can promote this given that the consensus at Wikiships was opposed to the creation of such articles. Gatoclass (talk) 06:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

As talked about above my impression is they don't want lists of COs in the Ship page. Independent list articles are fine. Asking for clarification at the WPSHIPS - Commanding_Officers discussion -- Esemono (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

After asking for clarification WPSHIPS - Commanding_Officers it seems that no one is against this type of article, indeed someone brought up the wiki policy WP:NOTPAPER. It seems that it is just Gatoclass who is against this article as there is no ruling on independent articles at WP:Ships -- Esemono (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Well I disagree with that assessment. The discussion has been almost entirely about lists within ship articles so far, almost no-one has addressed the issue of standalone articles yet. Gatoclass (talk) 10:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Well looking at the talk page now:

• The Bushranger says: I maintain my position that being appointed to command a Capital Ship makes one noteable. And I seem to recall a mention that lists can be used to mention things that would not, on their own, be notable enough for an article? WP:INDISCRIMINATE is true, but one also needs to remember WP:NOTPAPER. And Wikipedia is also 'the sum total of human knowledge'.
• MChew says:gree with Esemono and Buggie111 - stand-alone lists outside the ship article serve a useful purpose and should be maintained. Personally, I cannot really see the objection to keeping lists of COs within the ship articles provided that the list is properly referenced, as the names of COs of capital warships, particularly in times of war, can certainly be notable.

• I think this might have got to the point where Gatoclass should take the list to AfD if s/he still feels it's insufficiently notable, rather than debating it here. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• I don't want to take it to AFD at this stage. I just think the issue needs more debate. I won't stand in the way if someone wants to promote this, but I hope no more such articles get nominated here until the issue has been properly resolved. Gatoclass (talk) 07:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 3

Lectionary 226

• ... that the initial letters in Lectionary 226 (pictured) are decorated with zoomorphic, anthropomorphic and other motifs?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Cite doesn't support the hook, only mentions "images" but not what they are images of. Gatoclass (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• Notified the nominator. LittleMountain5 00:10, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

• Just only pictures, but it is not enough on en-wiki (on other wikis it is enough). I can not find printed source or website to support the hook, though it is difficult to find another manuscript with the initials like this. So, we can not use this hook. 15 leaves of the manuscript are a palimpsests, the older text contains lessons from the Old Testament and it is written in two columns, the upper text contains lessons from the New Testament. Is it enough? I am not so sure. We have more than 60 palimpsests, in which earlier text contains biblical text and later non-biblical (or vice versa). Less than 20 palimpsest manuscripts contains biblical text in both later and earlier text; this one contains the Old Testament as earlier and New Testament as later text, and in both cases it was lectionary.

ALT 1 ... that the earlier text of Lectionary 226 (pictured), a palimpsest, contains lessons from the Old Testament, the later text - from the New Testament?

Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

It is also not good because only 15 leaves are palimpsests.

ALT 2 ... that Lectionary 226 (pictured) of the New Testament, in some parts is a palimpsest, contains lessons from the Old Testament?

I think we are making a mistake here. The picture of the text should be a reference. We have used pictures before. Now the fact that I cannot recognise these character described should not matter. If it was Norwegian then I/we would assume good faith and approve it. I think this needs approving AGF .... anyone else agree? If so then load it Victuallers (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, the pictures in the article are quite sufficient, I don't think that we need a source to be told what we can see clearly for ourselves. Does it even have to be AGF? Mikenorton (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 2

Men and the City

• ... that Men and the City was a 2002 novel by former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein?

Created by Francium12 (talk). Nominated by Francium12 (talk) at 21:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

• I find it difficult to persuade myself that this is a notable topic, particularly when we already have the article Saddam Hussein's novels. Gatoclass (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

• • We have articles for Saddam’s other works Zabibah and the King, The Fortified Castle and Begone, Demons...  Francium12  06:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

• WP:OSE. If somebody wants to promote this I won't stand in the way, but I'd be reluctant to do so myself. Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• With or without the other objections, the hook is way bland. Is the only thing worth noting here exactly the same as what could be noted for all Saddam's novels? Dahn (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be possible to make a more interesting hook, perhaps about the presumed autobiographical nature if that's referenced. However, it's currently very short -- while it just scrapes over the minimum as is, there's a long quotation which if made into a blockquote, would put it only just over 1000 chars. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I think this might have humor value if it's featured on the same date as the upcoming release of Sex and the City 2, but that might just be me. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook check out. I'm sufficiently intrigued by the concept of books being written by Saddam Hussein at all that I have no concerns about the hook being too bland. DYK isn't the place to argue notability of articles; taking it to AfD, if you're so inclined, will be sufficient to stall the nomination. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• DYK articles must conform to all the usual policies, so notability can be discussed here just like any other issue. As I said however, I wouldn't stand in the way if someone else chose to promote this one. Gatoclass (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Were there to be an AfD, I'd vote Keep, so if there's no objection I stand by my tick above. But thanks for your good faith input, Gatoclass. I wish there were more dissenting opinions at DYK like yours as we'd end up with a more rigorous process. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I think the notability's fine -- I oppose based on the length (excluding the quotation) of 1150 characters. I've just set up the quotation as a blockquote to make it clear quite how much of the article is quotation. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I counted 1650 but that was including the quotation. I wasn't aware that (relevant) quotations didn't count. - DustFormsWords (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
  • If it isn't posted on WP:DYK that is isn't allowed, then it is allowed. Joe Chill (talk) 01:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
    • The additional rules do appear to exclude blockquotes from the length; it was my mistake. - DustFormsWords (talk) 02:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Without the block quote, you're still a few hundred characters short.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Article is now above the 1500+ characters -- Esemono (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I count 1557 eligible characters, excluding block quote, headers, refs, etc. Should be good to go. - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

EncycloPetey suggested that this be run in parallel with a hook for Sex and the City 2. That won't work, as the latter article is almost a year old. But the film is scheduled for release on 27 May 2010, and given that this is only a few days away, I propose that we hold this hook until that date. That will sure give it a high DYK count, and IMO, Wikipedia should appeal to people (expressing itself by a high number of hits) rather than concern itself with whether something might not meet the approval of some people (as long as we stay within the rules, of course, which in this case we would). Schwede66 01:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I still think this is very short -- a lot of the added text (which needs copy editing) is just a repetition in the lead of material present in the main text. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

...isn't that the point of the lead though - to summarise the article? - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 14:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, yes -- when the article is long enough to need summarising... Espresso Addict (talk) 15:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 1

Beth Rickey

• ... that the Republican political activist Beth Rickey has been widely cited as the person most responsible for halting the election of David Duke as governor of Louisiana in 1991?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

• Could you point out where the citation is for the hook? (pulled from the queue) Shubinator (talk) 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, not only don't I see it cited, I don't even see this claimed in the article, which just says that "Quin Hillyer of the Washington Times in Washington, D.C., a personal friend of Rickey's, said that her revelations did the most to stop the election of Duke as governor." There is a citation for this (at the end of the paragraph), but a statement made by a single person hardly constitutes "widely cited". cmadler (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I'm the one who approved this (I didn't leave a comment because we didn't have enough verified hooks for queues). Sorry about my mistake. Anyways, do you think that there is a good hook for this? Joe Chill (talk) 00:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

ALT: that the Republican political activist Beth Rickey began following David Duke in his 1991 gubernatorial campaign to show he had not repudiated his Ku Klux Klan past?

• I haven't looked at the sourcing, but this strikes me as problematically negative about David Duke for main page exposure. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm against this going on the main page unless you want people crying political bias when they read it. Hooks are not supposed to have negative attributes.--White Shadows ^{you're breaking up} 21:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that the Republican political activist Beth Rickey went on a mission to mexico?
• ALT3 ... that the Republican political activist Beth Rickey caught a mysterious sickness after a trip to mexico?

• The "continuing neo-Nazi connections" phrase in the intro looks problematic as that seems to be an opinion and should be attributed. I'm also uncomfortable with the long Duke commentary section at the end, it looks very much like a case of WP:UNDUE to me. Gatoclass (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

• Removed the "continuing" from the intro quote "continuing neo-Nazi connections" -- Esemono (talk) 23:30, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

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Pentecost 23 May

Dorothee Mields

• ... that soprano Dorothee Mields recorded several cantatas for Pentecost of Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel, a prolific contemporary of Bach, with one voice per part, the four soloists forming the choir?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 (keeping it simple): ... that soprano Dorothee Mields recorded several cantatas for Pentecost of Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel, a prolific contemporary of Bach? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Adele Stolte

• ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded the Bach cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 with the Thomanerchor conducted by Erhard Mauersberger?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded the Bach cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 with the Thomanerchor Leipzig boys' choir?

- Slightly more understandable hook for the lay reader. Any problems with that phrasing? - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• not a problem, but I would like to keep the conductor (an article I created but failed to nominate in time) who is too often confused with his (slightly more prominent) brother. If that is too long I think we might skip boys' choir and Leipzig because the reader gets the info easily in Thomanerchor. The choir appeared without explanation twice in DYK April, - regular readers know it by now. If kept they should be separated by at least a comma to not look like part of the name. My suggestion (Bach's abbreviating: the choir that Bach himself conducted for decades):

ALT2: ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded the Bach cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 with Bach's Thomanerchor and Thomaskantor Erhard Mauersberger?

• My concern is that for the reader who isn't schooled in classical music and/or German (ie, most of them), there's an awful lot of untranslated German in that hook, including the words Thomanerchor and Thomaskantor, both of which required the reader's understanding for the hook to be legible. I'm really hoping you can provide (or agree on) a hook that minimises the foreign text and/or explains it in lay English? DYK rules provide that DYK articles and hooks should be widely accessible and be of interest to the casual reader. - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded the Bach cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder with the Thomanerchor, that Bach had conducted himself in Leipzig, and Erhard Mauersberger? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I still don't like this hook ("What's a Thomanerchor?" I mentally ask each time I read it) but possibly I'm too close to this hook now. Can someone else look this over and form a second opinion? - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I would understand your concern if it wasn't linked. But it is, you click on it and read: "The Thomanerchor is a boys' choir in Leipzig, Germany. The choir was founded in 1212. ..." It is now also additionally explained by the Bach fact. Or: it's not "a Thomanerchor" but "the Thomanerchor" - and if you don't know it just click and find out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Try ALT4 ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded the Bach's cantata for Pentecost, Erschallet, ihr Lieder, with the Thomanerchor boys choir and conductor Erhard Mauersberger? cmadler (talk) 12:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• Or ALT5 ... that soprano Adele Stolte recorded Bach's cantata for Pentecost, Erschallet, ihr Lieder, with the St. Thomas Choir of Leipzig and conductor Erhard Mauersberger? cmadler (talk) 13:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• ALT4 is acceptable to me, ALT5 is not. btw I don't understand the comma, Bach wrote several cantatas for Pentecost, eight survived. If the choir is a problem let's take another prominent soloist (please don't translate his name, it would be "Yeller", smile):

ALT6: ... that soprano Adele Stolte and tenor Peter Schreier recorded Bach's cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder with conductor Erhard Mauersberger? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• All of; the original, ALTs 3 (probably the best, but "which Bach" not "that Bach"),4 or 5. Enough already. Johnbod (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

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