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====Penelope "Penny" Widmore====
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{{*mp}}... the ''[[Lost (TV Series)|Lost]]'' recurring character [[Penelope "Penny" Widmore]], played by [[Sonya Walger]] ''(pictured)'', made significant appearances in three [[season finale]]s ?
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<small>Created by [[User:Nerrolken|Nerrolken]] ([[User talk:Nerrolken|talk]]), [[User:Mr.Linderman|Mr.Linderman]] ([[User talk:Reincarnata|talk]])[[User:Reincarnata|Reincarnata]] ([[User talk:Reincarnata|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:ᜂᜈ᜔ᜐᜒᜎᜒᜈ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜇ|ᜂᜈ᜔ᜐᜒᜎᜒᜈ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜇ]] ([[User talk:ᜂᜈ᜔ᜐᜒᜎᜒᜈ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜐ᜔ᜇ|talk]]) at 20:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</small>
:*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] Doesn't meet criteria; was nominated too late, was expanded on the 6 Feb, not 8 Feb anyway, and certainly hasn't been significantly expanded since. [[User:Harrias|Harrias]] ([[User talk:Harrias|talk]]) 20:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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Not sure the protocol of using a hook that consists mostly of a quote or if anybody else will find this insect as interesting as I do. :) I just loved the pictures of this bug that I dug up. Both are good, but this one I think will reproduce better in miniature. --Moonriddengirl(talk)16:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
but perhaps rephrase the hook. Quotes may be okay, but are generally only used where necessary, for example when the hook would be "... that female sweetpotato bugs have been considered to be "the most loving mothers of all insects"?". In this case, that doesn't seem to be the case and the wording of the quote is not especially salient, so perhaps it's better to use a different wording. Ucucha16:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That wording sounds somewhat awkward to me. Come to think of it, perhaps it's better to drop the part after "protective" entirely from the hook. The average reader is probably not going to know what the Coreidae is, after all. Perhaps limit it to something like ... that the female sweetpotato bug(pictured) is very protective of her eggs? Ucucha16:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. :) I've split the sentences at the article, but would propose "... that the female sweetpotato bug(pictured) is very protective of her eggs and young?" Perhaps it would also work to simplify it further "... that the female sweetpotato bug(pictured) is very protective of her young?" She looks after them both before and after they hatch. :)--Moonriddengirl(talk)16:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the female sweetpotato bug(pictured) is very protective of her eggs and young?
ALT2: ... that the female sweetpotato bug(pictured) is very protective of her young?
Either is fine with me. Interesting bug and interesting article. Perhaps the picture should be cropped a little so that more of the insect is visible? Ucucha18:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :) That would be great, but I myself lack any kind of decent graphic program or, for that matter, know-how. :/ (When I first imported the image to Commons, I somehow imported it small. I have no idea how.) --Moonriddengirl(talk)18:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the barquePriwall recorded the fastest ever rounding of Cape Horn in 1938, and that on Christmas Day 1932 she sailed 384 nautical miles (711 km) in a day, an average speed of 16 knots (30 km/h)?
... that Arthur Crispien, who was dismissed as editor of a Social Democratic newspaper for his opposition against the War Credits in 1914, became the Party's Chairman in 1922?
... that Scotland international rugby union player Andrew Balfour later lead a health initiative that reduced malaria deaths in Khartoum, Sudan by 90 percent?
Comment: Yes, there's a lot of old houses from that era that, even today, don't have plumbing. But most of them are in remote areas, not just outside a settlement that was well-established when they were built, and haven't been continuously occupied since then.
... that after a paper about Armillaria gallica(pictured) was published, major television networks and newspapers from around the world wanted to see the site where the specimens were found?
ALT: ... that a humongous fungus(pictured) caused a media stir after it was reported to cover an area of 37 acres (15 ha), weigh at least 220,000 pounds (100,000 kg), and be 1,500 years old? Sasata (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Jacawitz
... that the founding legend of the PostclassicK'iche'Maya patron deity Jacawitz has been traced back to a historical event at the city of Seibal?
ALT1: ... that the founding legend of the PostclassicK'iche'Maya patron deity Jacawitz has been traced back to a 9th century event at the city of Seibal?
Yes, I wondered about the "new bridge" bit when I wrote the hook but it's difficult to get the actual name in without it sounding clunky. What do you think about:
... that the residents of Cookham had to wait 1,400 years for a replacement Cookham Bridge(pictured)?
Sorry to step in, but I was browsing around this page when I noticed the original hook, and it sounded really, really good, very funny. The original seems clear enough to me. Just a comment, ♠TomasBat17:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Salisbury and Yeovil Railway
... that the Salisbury and Yeovil Railway has been described as "the most successful of all railways in Southern England"?
... that in 1968 American archaeologist A. Ledyard Smith received the Order of the Quetzal from the Guatemalan government for his services to the cultural heritage of the country?
Changes I thought of after looking at it. The town's in the title to disambiguate it but doesn't need to be emboldened. I've changed that in the main hook, and the alt is a rearrangement with some variation:
... that at the town next to the Brazilian gold mine Serra Pelada thousands of underage girls prostituted themselves for gold flakes while around 60–80 unsolved murders were registered every month?
... that Electrinocellia peculiaris is named for the Latin "electrum" meaning amber, "Inocellia", the type genus for Inocelliidae, and "peculiaris" for the enigmatic nature of the species?
This hook is really stretching it for relevance. A recently-demolished building is named after the grandfather of someone notable (granted, someone canonized)? Can we find something to do with the school itself? Daniel Case (talk) 18:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: in checking the refs I came across the image used in the article as part of a copyright news article, so that can't be used either and will have to be removed from WP.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds16:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that comedian and actor Dane Cook(pictured) is referenced in the Archer episode "Training Day" when main character Archer negatively compares karate to him?
... that between its 1960 closing and its current use as a museum, District School No. 14(pictured) in Pine Hill, New York, was a coat factory and a furniture repair shop?
I have moved the article to Intelligenzaktion in Pomerania, as "Pommern" seems to be incorrect - although it translates to English Pomerania like Polish "Pomorze", it does not include the region where the action took place (which however is included in the wider English term "Pomerania" as a translation of Polish "Pomorze"). I have specified that in the article and added some background. Thus I propose to slightly alter ArtLaPella's ALT1:
I'm disputing Johnbod's comment (a leading soap in the UK & Australia, & no doubt other markets, for decades), and supporting Materialscientist's comments (narrow audience hook ). --74.13.129.158 (talk) 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To drop my opinion where it isn't needed; a you can insert two citations after facts if you have them, incase anyone wnats to quickly run down your sources they can use the website. Webcite can also been a help to making sure an internet site stays in the version you cite it in, they will keep a static version on their own servers on demand. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article actually says "surviving ancient pagoda", though it's only mildly better. Just where is the cutff to declare a pagoda "ancient" anyway? Circéus (talk) 20:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reply FYI, the aviary pagoda is simply an imitation of ancient pagodas, and in fact it belongs to Yuen Long Park which is only a five-minute walk from my school. :) It doesn't even provide any info about ancient pagodas, only about birds. As for the Man Fat Tsz pagoda, it's just a 'pagoda' in Man Fat Tsz temple of Sha Tin which, incidentally, is also a modern pagoda. Tsui Sing Lau Pagoda was, however, built 600 years ago, which is certainly ancient. I'll change the hook to:
What does "surviving" mean? The pagoda is still breathing? Don't blindly follow the ref when the ref is ambiguous. Try googling "oldest pagoda in Hong Kong". --74.13.126.52 (talk) 13:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I crossed out the original hook and bolded "ALT" for you. Please add more footnotes to the article for this hook fact, if you can. The current ref is somewhat iffy. (Define "ancient", pls. "1486" is probably medieval. "Oldest" would be easier.) Good Luck. --74.13.126.52 (talk) 03:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: According to Wikipedia's Ancient history article, "ancient history in China" refers to "the time up to the Qin Dynasty". So I don't think the ALT hook works. I'm not sure how to fix this, as the ref indeed says "the only ancient pagoda in Hong Kong". Is there another ref? --PFHLai (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment I think perhaps this controversy can be solved by turning the hook in another direction, like:
It appears to have been an automatic translation of the article in the Swedish Wikipedia, which was directly imported from Nordisk familjebok, a public domain source. (Cf. the Google-translated version of the Swedish article with the second version of the article here, and note that most of the oddities of this automatic translation still remained in the article until Theleftorium's rewrite today.) So no, it wasn't a copyright violation. Just a completely incoherent piece of crap with very little human input. This should be counted as a new article at the point when somebody makes a rewrite or makes a manual retranslation that actually makes sense. There is no reason to give credit to someone running a foreign text through Google Translate and leaving it here to linger in that state. --Hegvald (talk) 19:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think I would support promotion of this article, on the grounds that the previous version was just plain nonsensical. I've thought for a while the existing rule on this is a little too restrictive, and we have precedents for promoting articles on grounds other than COPYVIO, such as articles which were obviously personal essays. The original rule was incorporated basically because assessing quality is for the most part too subjective a judgement, but when one has an "article" that is transparent nonsense, it's a quite straightforward assessment. Gatoclass (talk) 02:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If the existing rule is still too restrictive, then we should reword it again or remove it. As it is, I don't plan to cite this "rule" for you guys again (anyway, there's a big AWB project I don't have time for ...) . Art LaPella (talk) 05:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ken Emerson
... that cartoonist Ken Emerson wrote the second-longest running comic strip in Australia?
... that the 2006 album Gigahearts included a single entitled "Beatcrusher" that was later released on the Saw IV soundtrack and was responsible for their increased popularity in America?
... that Egyptian diplomat F. D. Amr Bey discovered squash while posted in the United Kingdom, and went on to become the first dominant player in the sport?
Thanks for fixing whatever was the DYKmake problem. I de-bolded the Shingle Style architecture article link here though, because although that is a new article it so far is mostly a split of material from one of two Queen Anne style architecture articles; i don't mean to claim DYK credit for it. Also, I had added Americasroof to share credit as it is Americaroof's photo which is included, which inspires me about the topic, and which makes the DYK phrase work, IMO. Americasroof has contributed a lot of historic site photos in NY and not gotten much credit, i think. So I readded Americasroof into the DYKmake just now. If that's not correct and Americasroof should be taken off, please someone do that, but it was intended by me to share credit, it wasn't an unintentional error. --doncram (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the note, which clarifies all. The credit templates were badly jumbled, not sure why, and I had to go off the page histories to fix them, but didn't bother to look at the images. Ucucha12:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is currently too thin on content, please describe the short track world championships in which he succeeded - as well as the 2010 Olympics. Geschichte (talk) 07:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The two "part of"s in the hook are confusing. Is the "wedge" part of Op. Yoav, or are the "number of pockets" part of Op. Yoav? Some commas and re-arranging are recommended. --74.13.126.52 (talk) 14:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the Beit Hanoun wedge was part of the Israeli strategy in Operation Yoav that sought to divide the Egyptian army into a number of pockets?
The alternate hook looks good. I added a {{clarify}} tag on a sentence where I was unsure of the meaning, but other than that the article looks fine. Please ping me if you want me to clarify what I cannot understand. Cheers, NW(Talk)16:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that the visual novel Memories Off 5: Encore only focuses on three heroines whereas previous Memories Off games featured four to six heroines?
Fixed (and added a bit more detail on some of the other instruments Mazzoleni helped Galileo create as well). There's actually another cite to support the claim that Mazzoleni helped Galileo with the telescopes specifically (Riggins, Linda N., The Telescopes Galileo Made: How He Built Them An Original and Replicas Now Touring Museums), but it's only available online on a website that's on the WP blacklist. The particular article seems credible and well sourced, but given that another source is available, I haven't sought a waiver to include this second source. --JohnPomeranz (talk) 15:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 5 does not explicitly state that Mazzoleni helped make the telescopes, but implicitly suggests it. The text says:
By the 1st of January 1610 Galileo had fitted up his workshop, so as to be able to make and grind his own glasses, of which he turned out large numbers, but of which only a small percentage was found to be of any great value. Thus, by the middle of March, out of one hundred and more which he had ground 'at great fatigue and expense,' only ten were able to show the newly discovered moons of Jupiter and the fixed stars.
The footnote accompanying this text then reads:
Letter to Vinta, 19th March 1610. At this time his clever workman Mazzoleni was also engaged not only on the geometrical and military compass, of which many hundreds were made and sold all over Europe, but on hydrostatic balances, air thermometers, magnets and magnetic compasses for ships, and various kinds of drawing compasses for engineers and architects. He had also added a printingpress, where his tract on the Geometrical and Military Compass was set up.
The placement of this note in the midst of the discussion of construction of the telescopes and the phrase "also engaged" certainly suggests that Mazzoleni was working on the telescopes, but it doesn't state the fact as explicitly as we might wish.
ALT1... that numerically-controlled oscillators offer several advantages over other types of oscillators in terms of agility, accuracy, stability and reliability?
Thanks for the feedback. This was a complete rewrite. Everything is new except the title. Seems like perhaps there should be another template for this case. I'll fix the other things - Thanks. JPatterson (talk) 18:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The expansion is OK now (the prose is 5.7x bigger than on 29 January), but there are still a couple of problems. The capitalisation in section headings needs sorting out e.g. "Phase Accumulator" and "Spurious Products" should be "Phase accumulator" and "Spurious products". Also, the article lacks some citation; the first two paragraphs of the Phase Accumulator section don't have a reference between them and Did You Know generally requires at least one cite per paragraph. -- BigDom08:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article is good to go now, length and date verified. Would suggest not using the picture, as it is pretty useless at the small DYK resolution. -- BigDom20:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Barrence Whitfield
... that R&B singer Barrence Whitfield changed his name from Barry White, to avoid confusion with the other Barry White, who had changed his name from Barrence?
Length and date verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. A few points of order, though; 1) When you submit a hook, please place the nominated article in bold. 2) When creating an article with non-standard English characters, please create a redirect from the "normal" letters. That said, it's a shame there's not more to be written on Hohn; this could be a nice double nomination. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Philippine House of Representatives elections in Central Luzon, 2010
Did you exclude the tables, templates and stuff? The only prose were the generic "(xxx) is the incumbent but he is on his third consecutive term..." The only somewhat long prose was the explanation on what happened to the ill-fated Malolos district. –HowardtheDuck17:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the script we use highlights what it is counting as prose; most of the districts are that simple "x is the incumbent" but there are a few that have longer amounts of prose. I'm not seeing anything counted by the script that shouldn't be, though, of course, a second opinion is absolutely welcomed. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The nom reminded me to do something I have been meaning to do for a while - upload a higher res version of the image! – ukexpat (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Alphastates vocalist Catherine Dowling has been compared to both Beth Gibbons and Shirley Manson and called "a lady with the most evocative vocals in Irish music"?
Length, date, and source verified, however, the under construction tag should be gone before this runs. Indifferent to IWD selection, will let someone else decide if they want to move it down there. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Song Yun
... that Song Yun, a Chinese Buddhist monk and companions, travelled to northwest India at the request of Empress Hu. "They left the Wei capital Luoyang, on foot in 516 CE and returned in the winter of 522 with 170 Mahayana texts."?
... that Jeon Ok, a Korean actress and the mother of actress Kang Hyo-shil, was referred to as "Queen of Tears" for her excellence at acting for tragic dramas?
Although we have no written Did You Know formatting rule about this, I believe it's standard to bold only the link to the qualifying article. Art LaPella (talk) 06:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, and source verified; image is CC-BY-SA. As someone who has spent a good deal of time in both HCMC and Hanoi, I've been enjoying reading your articles on Vietnamese history. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 09:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 1749 London newspapers advertised that at the Haymarket Theatre, and in full view of the audience, the Bottle Conjuror would climb into in a wine bottle?
Aww thanks :) I think I'll be slowing it down a little for the time being... I am always tired nowadays and sleep when I should be submitting more DYKs! ArcticNight13:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Willy Schaeffler
... that after Willy Schaeffler taught George Patton to ski, he moved to the US and became the winningest ski coach in US history?
As this is being edited, could it be made clearer that the NCAA and the NAIA are separate organisations? Right now, it reads as if the NAIA were Division IV of the NCAA. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, and source verified. I have a small concern about the source being an institute founded by the subject, but the institute is of enough renown that I think it's alright. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. I can't find other web refs to support the '95 percent' bit, so I removed it from the both the article and hook. I've replaced it with "most", which appears to be supported by something in print [1].--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that, despite being named for Antelope, Antelope Island State Park(map pictured) is noted for being the home of one of the largest herds of Bison in the United States?
Current prose at 1432, whereas a min of 1500 required. Currently the bullet points under the criteria section are not being counted. Can you add a bit more to it? CalmerWaters05:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Calmer Waters. I think this is close enough to the threshold to pass and it's clear that the bullet points aren't used for disconnected text, but rather as a way to highlight a group of paragraphs. I could just as easily have used plain paragraphs or headers, the difference would be negligible. Is it possible to make an exception? Cheers! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics!13:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any article that makes it's way to the main page needs to have at least 1,500 words of readable prose. (No tables ect.) I only count 467 words. You'll have to add on to it a bit.--Coldplay ExpértLet's talk03:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Arlington Club(pictured), a private club organized by business and banking leaders in Portland, Oregon, excluded women from membership for 123 years before admitting them in 1990?
... that Stephen Crane(pictured) based the 1898 short story "The Open Boat" upon his personal experience of having survived a shipwreck off the coast of Florida?
I agree, but there's nowhere to really link it to - there's not even a section in the main curling article for it. Should I perhaps add the word "team" in brackets next to rink? Cheers, CP23:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cuello
... that the early Maya farming village of Cuello in Belize has a mass grave containing 26 sacrificed war captives?
... that an electronic gear-shifting system for bicycles can shift faster than a traditional mechanical system and calibrate itself to minimize maintenance?
... that the association of the extinct species Triatoma dominicana and Trypanosoma antiquus is the oldest known example of the vector association between Triatoma and Trypanosoma?
I have created the Trypanosoma antiquus article and tweaked the alt. hook to be a double nomination. I changed the hook slightly also as sleeping sickness is not mentioned in the type paper but Chagas disease is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevmin (talk • contribs)
Here is an alternative image. ALT rollover: "Wilma B. Liebman testifying before the U.S. House of Representatives in 2007." It's a little less crisp, but much more "active" (if that makes sense). - Tim1965 (talk) 19:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that BDTH2, an industrial chelation agent that separates heavy metals from polluted soil, is also marketed as a dietary supplement for children with autism?
Date and length verified. Only question the use of "marketing" as the company has stated that it is "an antioxidant not meant to treat any disease", but rather, it may be suggested that it may be used for autism. Maybe changing it to some have been known to use it for children with autism or something to that nature. CalmerWaters16:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The compound is being marketed as a dietary supplement because it would be illegal to market it for treating disease; see Dietary supplement #Permissible claims. Even if BDTH2 is being promoted as an autism treatment by websites and doctors and the like, the company is not legally allowed to state that the compound is meant as a treatment. The hook accurately reflects all this, as the hook says nothing about drugs or treatment (just as the company says nothing), and it talks only about use as a dietary supplement (which is what the company says). The word "marketing" could be changed to "promoting"; would that help allay the concerns? Eubulides (talk) 20:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though it appears likely to survive AFD, this nomination can't be approved until the AFD is closed. (And I can't approve it anyway, as I intend my next edit to be a !vote in that AFD). Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that during the January 1961 nor'easter on the eve of John F. Kennedy's presidential inauguration, thousands of abandoned cars led to massive traffic jams, including on the inauguration parade route?
Article does not appear to be eligible for DYK. Please read the instructions carefully; DYK is for new articles and articles expanded at least five-fold. --Paul_012(talk)12:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I might just be a little slow, but to me this hook is saying the plant itself is shaped like a stag, whereas the source is simply saying the plant was made into a stag shape at the Osborne House. Am I wrong? JujutacularT · C20:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Popular feature" is not the kind of phrasing we generally want on the Main Page. Also, most of this article is not inline cited; please add references accordingly. Ucucha04:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Captain Phil Harris, best known from the Discovery Channel's reality TV series Deadliest Catch, developed a line of coffees called "Captain's Reserve"?
... that the 1867 Manhattan earthquake in Kansas, felt over an area of 193,051 square miles (500,000 kilometers) extended as far as Indiana and Illinois?
General comments. First, Alex, when you nominated this hook, you deleted another hook in the process. Please be more careful in the future. Second, DYK Check is showing this as not having been expanded. For this one, though, DYKCheck is wrong- whoever ultimately reviews this, go through the history to verify. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If the other hook you mean is "Monaco-Russia relations", I think you'll find that it was moved to prepextra. Nonetheless, I'll be extremely careful in DYK from now on. You're right about DYKCheck. Alex Douglas (talk) 02:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook you removed was the Lonicera nitida one, now a few above this one. As to this hook, ; the prose section of this article contains no inline citations; the hook fact especally needs an in-line cite immediately after it. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think I am going to have to disqualify this one. The article is just too close to the sources. Some examples:
Source: Guthrey was entrpreneurial from a young age, at one stage instituting an insurance scheme for caning. He charged a shilling a term and paid out a penny a whack. The scheme came unstuck when a contingent of boarders staged a sleep in and were disciplined accordingly.
Article: He was an entrepreneur from a young age, as shown by his insurance scheme for caning. Guthrey charged a shilling a term and paid out a penny per whack. The insurance scheme folded when a number of boarders staged a sleep in and were disciplined accordingly.
Source: lay on the battlefield until a German burial party in a captured New Zealand truck found him. In hospital some time later he learned he had been awarded the Military Cross - his parents sent him a newspaper clipping containing the news.
Article: He lay on the battlefield until a German burial party in a captured New Zealand truck found him and took him to a hospital. He learned some time later that he had been awarded the Military Cross, as his parents sent him a newspaper clipping containing this news
Source: He was strong supporter and closely involved in the development of the Lyttelton Tunnel Road, and the Christchurch International Airport. Mr Guthrey was the chair of the Airport Committee at the time of the opening of the new terminal building in 1960
Article: He was strong proponent of the Lyttelton road tunnel, and of the Christchurch International Airport. He chaired the Airport Committee at the time of the opening of the new terminal building in 1960.
Looking at the sources, it appears that they have discovered what appears to be 5 Jovian-mass planet like objects; however, doesn't it state that they were 4 Jupiter mass planets and a brown dwarf star cite [4][5][6] and specifically [7]? Believe changing Jupiter-mass to Jovian-mass and addressing it within the article may correct this. Unless I'm indeed missing something. CalmerWaters17:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the said exact phrase, I used reference [1], specifically the scientific report from the Magellan project. It's Ref [1], section 1, introduction-paragraph 3, alternately at ref [1] there is a section numbered 3 which is titled High-eccentricity Jupiter mass planets from the Magellan Survey. I'm not sure though if this would be enough to warrant the reference, for some reason other scientific communities are more comfortable using the term Jovian-mass rather than Jupiter-mass. If in case this is somewhat not enough citation, are we good to alternately use the term Jovian-mass? Thanks. --TitanOne (talk) 17:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must admit I have very little understanding about the highly detailed in-and-outs of the astrological details given within the sources. It does state that there is no bias against brown dwarf companions and "planets" (cite[1]) when using the array; and the Jupiter-size reference does appears as the title of the section, but then goes into detail about being Jovian-mass objects. Jupiter is considered a Jovian-mass class planet so maybe the terms are somewhat interchangeable. CalmerWaters17:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, not quite so fast. "Tabled" means as close to opposite things in the U.S. and Commonwealth as possible. In the Commonwealth, to table a motion means to discuss it. In the U.S., tabling a motion means to stop discussing it. Can we pick another word, please? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That works. Since you were working off a source form the Commonwealth, which meaning you meant was clear to me, but wouldn't have been on the main page. Thanks for putting up with my pedantry. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length verified. second portion of hook fine. Is the use of magnate appropriate here? From reading the article he does not appear to have become extremely wealthy, personally formed any conglomerates, or associated to be the leader in the sugar beet processing industry. This might indeed be the case; however, the article only goes as far stating he was a vice president and general manager and not a CEO, owner, or a pioneer in the trade. CalmerWaters11:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that future sugar beet processing executive Henry Arthur Benning was a "rotten stenographer", then failed at selling tobacco, since he didn't partake in tobacco?
If anyone's having a problem confirming the date or length due to the fact that I created this page in my private space and dumped it from that sandbox, just drop a note on my talk page or email me and I can share the history. – VisionHolder « talk »15:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(I took the liberty to remove the tick mark: we use that to indicate an independent reviewer has approved the nomination.) Thanks; it would be even better if you could create full references, perhaps using {{cite web}}, including data such as the author, access date, and publisher, and if you could add sources to the sentences that currently lack them. Ucucha16:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I took them to cite web. There is only one reference, which is temporarly unaccessable (non relevant for the DYK-fact). --Eino81 (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I put a new link there. But if you see the Hungarian interview with Zoli (in the external links), you could see him saving a pelican somewhere at the end of it. --Eino81 (talk) 17:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved from below, where it didn't belong. Added credits for two people who contributed significantly, but more credits may be necessary as the article has been edited by quite some users. Suggest the following hook (ALT1):
... that Google Buzz allows Gmail users to share messages and links across various social networking websites?
... that because of the Key Largo Woodrat(pictured), which weighs 260 grams but builds nests that are 4 ft by 6 ft, even the wildlife in Florida was accused of wanting enormous homes?
Written like a frugal Dutchman. I always thought that the DYK people were more, well, academic. It's clear, Ucucha, that you need to learn more about DYK and about academic behavior! ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talk • contribs)
This article includes approx 7000 bytes of text and refs removed from Herne Bay Museum. Most of this 7000 bytes had been added to the Herne Bay Museum page after that article appeared in DYK in December 2009. It was then edited, modified and updated before being transferred to the City of Canterbury budget 2010−2011 page. This still leaves far more that the statutory minimum 5000 bytes of new material, but I am giving this information so that all is fair. New photo to be added on 16 Feb.--Storye book (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No slight to the author - they honestly disclosed all details and even asked me before nominating this - my bad that I forgot. Two reasons: (i) most information of this article is not new by DYK rules (several weeks old) and is collected from other articles. (ii) I can't help it, but this does look like a campaign (or reflection of a campaign). Maybe a good one, but still, I would feel better not promoting it on the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually this hook appears to be OR based on a picture, in which it's not obvious (at least to me) that that's what's going on. Also I think the hook "... that Mexican archeological site El Tajín contains a panel showing a ballplayer being beheaded?" would be better, assuming this can be sourced. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
first one is too vague, essentially "Golda Meir helped a camp", second one...I thought Habonim was a person, then I thought it was a poorly constructed sentence, then upon reading links I saw it was just confusing and the words "oldest North American summer camp" shouldn't be in that order.
The problem is that Meir helped in 1933 and the swimming hole problems occurred in 1939. How are these?
ALT3:... that Golda Meir, the future Prime Minister of Israel, helped Camp Na'aleh find a new home in New York after the campers spent August 1932 living in a tent?
... that the Honda CB900F(pictured), known as the Hornet 900 in Europe and the 919 North America, was out of production for 19 years before returning in 2002?
You're right. I now have sources saying the Hornet 900/919 was a model year 2002 bike, though it was debuted 2001 and sales began perhaps in December 2001. Changed article to say 2002 instead of 2000. Also added cites for the last model year being 2007. The section at the bottom on colors claims 2001 models years exist in the UK and Japan, but I found no sources to support it, or anything else in that section, so I moved it to the talk page until sources turn up. Hook changed to say 19 years instead of 17. --Dbratland (talk) 21:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm an American and I think the hook needs to use a different word than "ravaging"; most of us Americans, unlke you Britons, aren't familiar with the sexual usage of that word. We need to make sure that our hooks are easily understood by readers in every country. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Request 3rd opinion as I don't see problems with the phrasing of ALT1: (i) it is better, but not obligatory to keep the exact name of the article, and that obscenity law directly related to most UK obscenity trials; (ii) we don't really want to say on the main page what Ruppert was actually doing to the granny - thus it is not a matter of spelling but rather of being discrete. Materialscientist (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, Stonemason: the cartoon pictured Rupert attempting to penetrate the granny, (paradoxically) finding out she was a virgin, moving back about 20 paces, taking a running jump into her and bursting her hymen like so much strawberry tart. I have pictures if you want :P. Can I suggest just wikidictionary linking it? :P Ironholds (talk) 04:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Assaulting gives the wrong idea (a sexual assault is very different from sex :P) Perhaps "ravaging", as the source uses, but with a wiktionary link? Ironholds (talk) 13:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article verified (though I can hardly believe we didn't have an article about this topic before), but I don't think you can use that image as it is of a three-dimensional object. Gatoclass (talk) 17:08, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, I know! I double checked and triple checked before I started writing the article. If you mean that it would be an issue that the design of the 3D object would be copyright protected, the doll is from the 1800s or very early 1900s so any possible copyright claim would be long expired. Siawase (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but photos of 3-dimensional artworks have their own copyright, so if I'm not mistaken there is copyright over the photo itself. Gatoclass (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After looking into the source, it seems unlikely that there is adequate permission for the photograph, so I removed the image from the submission. Siawase (talk) 22:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed/replaced that image in the articles, but someone else is going to have to deal with commons as I am not at all familiar with the process there. (for reference, link to the potentially problematic image:[2]) Siawase (talk) 17:09, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated it for deletion at Commons [3]. I would think the same problem applies to the image Nyttend mentions; it's also from around 1900 and may be in copyright. Ucucha02:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nyttend: thanks for the suggestion! I added that pic to the nom, and added an ALT hook that made it clear(er) that the doll pictured is not from the company mentioned. Ucucha: Thanks for taking care of File:Jumeau11.png. The problem with Jumeau11.png is that the photograph is most likely not free, see the source:[4]. File:German antique doll.jpg was very clearly released under a free license on flickr[5]. Both of these dolls are so old they are no longer under copyright. (tl;dr: If I'm reading [6] correctly, there's no way a German doll this old by an unknown sculptor/designer is under German copyright. (And btw, there is truly no way these dolls could be protected in the US/en.wiki.) These ~1900 German dolls were not copyright stamped or signed (mostly if they were marked at all it was with just their model number, not even the manufacturer name) and documentation of the identities of the sculptors was not kept/preserved as far as I can find. The only way it could be protected would be if the exact identity of the sculptor was known and s/he died less than 70 years ago, if the same terms apply for sculptures as 2D art/written materials. /end tl;dr) Siawase (talk) 11:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am not so sure as you are (as far as I know, for example, the presence/absence of a copyright notice is not relevant in EU copyright law), but it does seem fairly likely that this is PD. As I understand de:Anonymes Werk (Urheberrecht), this is PD if the author was not noted on the original work of art and his name was not made known in the 70 years after the work was created. Ucucha13:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I am aware that a copyright stamp wouldn't be directly legally relevant. I just mentioned that one was not present, since if it had been it could have helped in identifying the originator. Anyway, if I'm reading you correctly, it seems that we're basically in agreement that the image can be used in this DYK. For some sources on how these dolls are marked/identified see:[7][8][9][10]. Nowhere is the identity of the sculptors/designers even mentioned. Hell, even today the identity of the individual designer/sculptor of purportedly collectible dolls is often not disclosed. They're just released under a brand/model name. Nevermind play dolls that are intended as childrens toys (as these antique bisque dolls originally were.) Siawase (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
[unindent] Anything sold in 1900 was obviously published before 1923, so it's surely PD in the USA at least — when we're talking strictly about the USA, who cares about German law? — so as long as we're talking about something being on Wikipedia itself, not Commons, we don't need to worry about copyright issues. The image I suggested is most definitely in copyright, but the holder has released it under a free license. Nyttend (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well the image is hosted at commons, so the concern was that the image would need to be deleted from there. But you're right, that wouldn't really have any bearing for its usage here, it's just that the image would need to be moved to en.wiki. Siawase (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that when police raided the Cambridge College of Learning, a London based bogus college for overseas students, they discovered just three classrooms and eleven desks?
Just a query shouldn't the article title be Bogus Colleges in the UK & not Bogus College per se? Or at least Cambridge College of Learning since more than 50% of the characters of prose pertain to that subject? Just thought of it since I'm sure there are colleges similar to this somewhere else in the world. --TitanOne (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think Bogus colleges in the United Kingdom is probably the one to go far - I'll move the article. Cambridge College of Learning is an example of one of the better known bogus colleges, but there are apparently several of them, often located in flats above chip shops and other such places. TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good now, I helped in with a few more references. Now we just need to wait for a more experienced editor to do some validation.--TitanOne (talk) 19:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are some Creative Commons images of Doctor Donut on Flickr and elsewhere. I'm rusty on the whole upload/tagging proceedure so I'm hoping someone else will tackle the task. The pics I saw on Flickr aren't superb but a good photo of this super wierd-looking guy would make an attention-grabbing DYK lead. --Griseum (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That particular image won't fly, because it's licenced for non-commercial use only. In Wikipedia terms, that means it would have to be used under fair-use, which isn't going to work. In fact, I'm not seeing anything n Flickr that is compatible, though I only checked 20 or so photos. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Removed the first image as clearly inappropriate for the main page. The 1st two hooks are too POVish as he is more known for depicting impossible rather than possible positions. Materialscientist (talk) 02:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This nom is submitted very late -- The article was created at 22:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC), more than 5 days ago -- and placed in the wrong section on this page. --74.13.126.52 (talk) 13:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. It's in ref #2. The other operational original Manchester tram is horse-drawn. The other surviving original electric tram is not operational. Mjroots (talk) 09:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect Don, can we find something more unique? Every Queen Anne house listed on the National Register is a "fine" or "outstanding" example of the style. Daniel Case (talk) 06:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well it really is a fine example, and it is unusual for DYK in that it is from Connecticut.... :)
I'm not feeling too inspired, nothing jumps out from the available source. If anyone else wants to develop a different hook i would appreciate it. Otherwise this can be dropped from DYK; I won't mind. --doncram (talk) 21:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I dont see this hook supported in the article nor in the only sources used to indicate that it this/these quilt(s) are among the oldest surviving medieval quilts. Also, it is not clear in the article if this is one quilt that was divided into the section or three quilts with the same theme. The source I read seems to indicate the latter.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi: From the Kathryn Berenson article, a direct C&P quote: "The scarcity of surviving medieval quilts confounds our understanding of what they looked like. Only the two Tristan quilts survive as examples." I agree it's confusing, but it seems to be a conclusion that the two examples in museums are from one connected quilt or pair of quilts, while the part in a private collection appears to be from the same workshops, shows the same subject matter, but doesn't appear to have been part of the same piece as the other two. Mabalu (talk) 20:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1:... that the tragic romance of Tristan and Iseult is the subject matter of the Tristan Quilt, a rare survival of medieval trapuntoquilting? (Maybe for 14th February?) 03:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Comment - I know this probably isn't the greatest DYK hook but it was all I could think of at the time. Any alternative suggestions would be welcome. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think this unnecessarily confuses Americans, because in U.S. English, "side" doesn't mean "team" except when distinguishing opponents, as in "which side" or "the other side".
Clarified. It is the Only 1993 edition of Emperor Shaka, see publication history. It would be repetitive to expand it otherwise.Sadads (talk) 14:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Special occasion holding area
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Articles created/expanded for 2010 Winter Olympics (starting February 12 ending February 28th)
Once approved, please post this hook early -- before he competes. If he wins in Vancouver, the hook fact will be wrong, and leaving this on the main page would be embarrassing and giving admins extra work to fix it. --74.13.126.52 (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm reading it wrong, the article says that he's been in the top three in some world cup races this season. Was the intention that the hook say that the gold was his first 1st place finish? Marylanderz (talk) 17:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that in the 1920sCudahy Packing Company shifted from exporting cured pork because of British tariffs and focused instead on domestic sales of canned hams, sliced dried beef, Italian-style sausage, and sliced bacon?
This isn't a very interesting hook, it's a bit like saying: "Did you know... that sandwiches can be filled with bacon, tuna or ham?" -- BigDom18:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was operating on the assumption that many people would want to know what a cheese dream is. So the hook is a sort of riddle to get people to find an answer to what these toppings are going on. I had never heard of a cheese dream. So the idea of the hook was to be intriguing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can see where you're coming from; if people don't know what a cheese dream is, they could well find it interesting. On the other hand, I hope that you can see my point as well. -- BigDom21:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need a little more punch, as really anything can be topped with ham, bacon, tomato and egg, such as a pick-up truck can be topped with....--kelapstick (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see your points. I wanted to leave it simple so the cheese dream remained the focus and our readers were left with an irresistible desire to learn what they are or, if they remembered them, would be sucked in by their hunger. But we can work in something academic about their being popular in the depression for Sunday supper. Since you guys prefer that kind of thing I'd appreciate it if you would be the ones to put it in play. Thanks! I still like it short and tasty sweet with a hint of mystery. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added note of Ozark specialties if that helps any. I object to the BLP violating characterization of cured and smoked meat sellers as boring. Biographies of luscious pork should always be treated with tenderness. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Masako Katsura's participation in the World Three-Cushion Billiards tournament of 1952 was the first time any woman ever competed in any billiards tournament for a world crown?
... that Masako Katsura's participation in the World Three-Cushion Billiards tournament of 1952 was the first time any woman ever competed in any billiards tournament for a world crown, and only ten years after any woman competed in any men's professional billiard competition in the U.S.?
... that wealthy businesswoman and inventor Martha Matilda Harper spent 25 years as a domestic servant before starting her first hair salon in Rochester, New York?
... that Spanish politician and feminist Clara Campoamor was one of three women elected to Spain's 1931 Constituent Assembly even though women were not allowed to vote in the election?
... that Florence Luscomb, one of the first women to earn an architecture degree from MIT, later left that field to become a full-time women's suffrage activist?
... that Strobilanthes callosus, a shrub found in the hill forests of India used in folk medicines, flowers only once in eight years before dying off, exhibiting a once in a lifetime mass flowering and mass seeding life cycle?
It is not so far-fetched; in Eastern Europe it is actually quite common to give women flowers on March 8. Less so in the West, but aren't we trying to counter systemic bias? Lampman (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the hook content, the author's contribution history, and the nomination date, I wonder if this nom was meant for the section for Republic Day in India on January 26th (since removed), instead of Women's Day on March 8th. --PFHLai (talk) 07:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Evelina Haverfield, a British suffragette who was arrested after hitting a police officer in the mouth, threatened to "bring a revolver" next time?
It describes itself as "a major day of global celebration for the economic, political and social achievements of women". Is this not an appropriate achievement? --candle•wicke20:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that fictional author Cathy Kelly has sold over 1 million books in the UK and has knocked Dan Brown and J. K. Rowling off the top of the country's bestseller list?
It describes itself as "a major day of global celebration for the economic, political and social achievements of women". Is this not an appropriate achievement? --candle•wicke20:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook (and even the article, with "outsold Dan Brown and J. K. Rowling abroad") makes it seem as though she has sold more books than Dan Brown and J. K. Rowling, when the fact (still notable) is only that she reached the top of some week's bestseller list. Shreevatsa (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree that the hook or article are misleading, but the article has many single-sentence paragraphs and that needs to be fixed. Gatoclass (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify: she reached the top in some week, not all of 2005. She was 77th in 2005 — not bad for a book released in September, but it's certainly false that 173,756 (the number of copies she sold in 2005) is greater than 2,860,101 (Rowling). But I take back my earlier opinion that the hook is misleading. "Bestseller list" is well-understood to be weekly, I guess. Shreevatsa (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just a quick comment, I don't see the need to mention the runners whose articles are not DYK submissions, I think it would be better if you just stuck to a list of three new articles. Gatoclass (talk) 09:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you ask me, the hookiness lies in the numbers, it's pretty interesting and unusual that six different runners who medals within a decade. If we remove the non-new articles, we're left with only three, which isn't that interesting. Geschichte (talk) 10:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nikolina Shtereva lacks any references, so it cannot be confirmed. I, too, don't see why we're listing the additional (non-DYK-qualifying) runners though. Otherwise Zlateva, Tomova and Petrova have all been verified. Date, length and references are okay for those three. So long as you remove the additional subjects from the hook or add references to Shtereva, the hook would be ready. Todor→Bozhinov08:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shtereva is indeed a 5x expansion, and Pehlivanova is both new and long enough to be included. Whether it's feasible to include so many articles in one hook is not for me to decide, but all bolded articles have been DYK-verified. Todor→Bozhinov11:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we could save it for women's day. I don't know why the given names of the runners are not listed though, I think it would be more appropriate if they were. Gatoclass (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The length isn't so important in a multi, so I think it's fine to include the given names. One shouldn't really refer to people only by their last names unless they are known by just that name, which is rarely the case. Gatoclass (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK with saving the hook for Women's Day. As for Amina Shoukry, the article already addresses the issue: "Ateya took her seat in Parliament on 14 July 1957. Although another woman (Amina Shukri) was elected in the 1957 elections, her victory was only announced on 22 July, thus making Ateya the first female parliamentarian in Egypt and the whole Arab world." This is backed up by Ref #2. --BomBom (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
but perhaps rephrase the hook. Quotes may be okay, but are generally only used where necessary, for example when the hook would be "... that female sweetpotato bugs have been considered to be "the most loving mothers of all insects"?". In this case, that doesn't seem to be the case and the wording of the quote is not especially salient, so perhaps it's better to use a different wording. Ucucha 16:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Length, date, and source for hook verified. Image is CC-BY-SA; but may not be very useful at 100px. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 10:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
too short at only 1100 chars. Also started on 12th, not the 16th (certainly not expanded 5x between the dates), and the image needs to be (a free image) of the subject.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 16:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hook too long at 217 characters. Suggest dropping the piece about his being Secretary of Education and dean of Rutgers Law. Ucucha 02:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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Article does not appear to be eligible for DYK. Please read the instructions carefully; DYK is for new articles and articles expanded at least five-fold. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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