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*'''support''' <s>until after landfall in Central America. Likely going to be dozens to hundreds more deaths considering Eta hit the same area less than 2 weeks ago. We need to wait and see what happens.</s> Sufficient death toll for posting and appears likely to continue rising. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 15:10, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' no matter how much damage or how many deaths this storm causes as tropical cyclones and weather events are all mundane/routine events and shouldn't have any coverage in ITN ever. [[User:Hurricane Noah|<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200"><b>Noah</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Noah|<span style="color:#ff0000"><b>Talk</b></span>]]</sup> 18:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for landfall, following past history of posting tropical cyclones here. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 15:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for landfall, following past history of posting tropical cyclones here. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 15:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
**Still wait, communications to many rural areas have been cut and the true scope of the disaster is still unclear. The available reports aren't pretty though and the death toll could easily spike once aid workers reach presently isolated areas. FWIW communications with Providencia, one of the earliest areas to be affected, are still mostly down. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 14:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
**Still wait, communications to many rural areas have been cut and the true scope of the disaster is still unclear. The available reports aren't pretty though and the death toll could easily spike once aid workers reach presently isolated areas. FWIW communications with Providencia, one of the earliest areas to be affected, are still mostly down. ~&nbsp;[[User:KN2731|KN2731]] <small>{[[User talk:KN2731|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/KN2731|contribs]]}</small> 14:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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November 17, 2020 (2020-11-17) (Tuesday)

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RD: Sheldon Solow

Article: Sheldon Solow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomburg
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American billionaire real estate developer. I've expanded the article a bit and it looks in good shape - Dumelow (talk) 07:09, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Anjum Singh

Article: Anjum Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FirstPost Indian Express
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian artist. Expanded the article. Well referenced. Has shaped up to be a clean C-class biography. Meets expectations for homepage / RD. RIP. For those wanting to see some of the paintings here and here. Ktin (talk) 05:39, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Well sourced, small article. KittenKlub (talk) 09:41, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no way a fair use image can be used, she's literally only been dead days. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man, I went by what was done at Ben Cross back when the article was worked on here. But, that said, removing the image should be easy. Let me know. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 11:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it shouldn't be there. It does not demonstrate that adequate and suitable effort has been put into finding a free alternative. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:12, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man, sounds good. Image has been removed. Ktin (talk) 11:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support - agree with TRM. Fair use only applies if there's no prospect of finding a free alternative. But for someone who only died a few days ago, it could easily be possible to track down free alternatives with a bit of work.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Amakuru, thanks. Image has been removed. Couldn't find free alternatives, hence, went by the fair use discussion here. Ktin (talk) 11:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ktin: OK thanks. To be honest, it might be better to try to get a definitive answer from experts on the project pages as to what's acceptable from this point of view, balancing the fact that she's still subject to WP:BLP, versus ease of obtaining images. I do find the whole fair-use guideline a bit confusing generally, because it's very unclear what it means to be able to source an alternative image. I guess the assumption is that you can always go to one of her events and take a snap of her, and I guess that's not possible now she's passed away. But there are other ways to get images. One approach would be to find every single image of her online, and approach each of the photographers to see if they'd agree to release the rights under Creative Commons licence. That might well yield fruit, but obviously could apply to any subject, dead or alive. Anyway, now that the image is no longer there, happy to support. Quality seems to be good enough. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk)
    Yes, exactly that, I've done that before successfully. Most people are prominent enough for there to be free photos available, you just have to do the work to find it before declaring fair use is the only alternative. As for Cross, I don't see any discussion saying the fair use image was just fine. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 12:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man:, thanks, I do see your point. Yes, I did a good search prior to the fair use route. If someone has some cycles to help search, that would be much appreciated.
    Re: Cross, here's the link to the discussion. Might have to click expand on the collapsed green box to see the comments. With that said, I have removed the image as well, in parallel. Ktin (talk) 12:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Without a fair-use picture, support. As far as I know, images are not required for article to be on ITN...--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 12:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good now for RD JW 1961 Talk 14:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support FYI, The Rambling Man, images are not mandatory nor necessary for something to pass ITN. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, I know that, as after 14 years and a quarter of a million edits, I have picked up a few things. Cheers for your advice. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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November 16, 2020 (2020-11-16) (Monday)
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Peru interim president

Article: Francisco Sagasti (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Manuel Merino, the Congress of Peru elects Francisco Sagasti as an interim president of the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Manuel Merino, Francisco Sagasti is elected as interim president of Peru.
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera etc
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Peru blockbuster, part 3. Needs some work, then to be bumped per usual practice. Brandmeistertalk 20:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose horrible target article, and shouldn't it just be "as interim" rather than "as an interim"? He's the only one, right? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Is he interim president even if he took office? ArionEstar (talk) 01:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, per Al Jazeera he will be interim until national elections are called for April (barring his own resignation or similar extraordinary event). Brandmeistertalk 08:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Insufficient article quality to be a bolded blurb link. Otherwise qualifies per WP:ITNR's "Changes to the head of government"; however, we should reconsider if this office continues to be a revolving door.—Bagumba (talk) 01:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Confusing article. Lead says he's "the current President of Peru since 17 November 2020," not the 'interim president' (and the sentence is poorly constructed). Article also says he "he is slated to become the President of Peru by the line of succession." Unclear and poorly written. – Sca (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Francisco Sagasti will need, at very least, significant further sourcing and a trimming of the authography section. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shawkat Ali (politician)

Article: Shawkat Ali (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bangladeshi politician. Could use a little expansion, but it'll probably be tomorrow before I can get around to it - Dumelow (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Campbell Forsyth

Article: Campbell Forsyth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St Mirren FC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: St Mirren, Kilmarock, Southampton and Scotland goal keeper. Death announced 16 November. I've added missing refs and tidied the article up a bit - Dumelow (talk) 19:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Iota

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Article: Hurricane Iota (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Iota hits Central America, killing 21 people and leaving at least 44 missing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Iota strengths into a Category 5 hurricane, the first since Lorenzo of last year, as it is approaching Honduras and Nicaragua.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The first (and latest) Category 5 hurricane of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season is set to slam Central America after killing three, injuring 20, and leaving eight missing in Colombia.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Hurricane Iota makes landfall in Nicaragua as a strong Category 4 storm, the second major hurricane to do so in two weeks, following Hurricane Eta on 3 November.
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Nominator's comments: Cat 5. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • oppose no matter how much damage or how many deaths this storm causes as tropical cyclones and weather events are all mundane/routine events and shouldn't have any coverage in ITN ever. NoahTalk 18:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for landfall, following past history of posting tropical cyclones here. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Still wait, communications to many rural areas have been cut and the true scope of the disaster is still unclear. The available reports aren't pretty though and the death toll could easily spike once aid workers reach presently isolated areas. FWIW communications with Providencia, one of the earliest areas to be affected, are still mostly down. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Existing practice is to wait until effects are felt by people on land, such as property destruction and deaths. This is likely to cause huge amounts of both, but we generally wait until after it has done so; so that our blurb can reflect such impacts. --Jayron32 15:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • support first cat 5 in over a year. Cat 5's are really rare so we should add it. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 18:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    We plan on it. We're just waiting for landfall. --Jayron32 18:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait I was actually just about to nominate it, but looks like I was beaten to the punch. (cough, dang you @Destroyeraa:. LOL!) I'm in support of waiting despite what I said though.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 20:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChessEric: LOL! I have a knack at beating others on ITN for nominating TC articles! :P ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait For full impact to appear, also the first blurb is better than the alts. Gotitbro (talk) 22:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it makes landfall, and perhaps mention the coincidence of two major hurricane striking the same part of Central America in two weeks. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose thankfully highly limited loss of life. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: not sure what you mean by "nowhere near as strong". You do realize that hurricanes weaken after making landfall and when they move over land, right? It peaked as a Cat 5 with 160mph (260kph) winds; yes, it did weaken slightly (5mph/10kph difference) to a Cat 4 with 155mph (250kph) winds and made landfall at that strength. It is now much weaker because it has been over land for several hours. 192.197.178.2 (talk) 17:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How many deaths? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: you do realize that it takes time to determine the death toll after a natural disaster like a hurricane, right? Hence, all of the "wait" !votes. Your oppose !vote was hastily made before the hurricane even made landfall and then you sustained your oppose !vote while the disaster was still occurring. Any reasonable observer would wait (as many have here) until the hurricane is over and they count the dead before making any deterministic statements like you have about the death toll. 192.197.178.2 (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What utter claptrap. If you're accusing me of a premature "oppose" then why aren't you accusing the OP of a premature nomination? Honestly, utterly ridiculous. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, oppose (ARGH, you CAN'T DO THAT), wait, wait.... Get a grip. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: The OP did make a premature nomination. It doesn't change the fact that you made a premature oppose !vote though. Do you have any better arguments to make other than "he did it too!" 192.197.178.2 (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my original argument stands. Currently not newsworthy, so I oppose this nomination. What's your problem hounding me? Why not just log-in? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, it's so impactful that no news items on Google appear to have been updated for 10 hours. I mean, WOW. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportWait Impacts are not fully realized yet At least 8 deaths, and count is rising fast. Gex4pls (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment landfall happened. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changing to Support with the impact of Eta only two weeks earlier. I don't think the currently reported low death toll is of too much concern, since it will probably be some time before casualties are known. I added another possible blurb. Feel free to tweak it. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Since it now has made landfall, we should wait until we have more information. As of yet, the news has been slow to come in on impact of Iota. However, there could be significant flooding which reports may be delayed depending on the remoteness of the areas affected. Jurisdicta (talk) 22:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    So maybe close this until there's a newsworthy item? This is, frankly, stupid to have a load of people voting "wait", we could have done that with Brexit. Don't use ITNC as a weather-related scratchpad. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, @The Rambling Man: , that ITN/C has become a bit too tropical cyclone centric (I've contributed to this a bit myself), but that doesn't mean we can't post tropical cyclones. In particular, Iota is shaping up to be a bad one. Gex4pls (talk) 02:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - it seems like the death toll has sadly reached the critical point at which it's more than just a routine event.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Hurricane news is regionally parochial. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It really is, and don't people love all those records "lowest pressure in an Atlantic Hurricane on a Tuesday in November (morning only)" etc etc... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:46, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @WaltCip and The Rambling Man: Unless you're going the Isaias way, the death toll is now up to 14, with 15 missing.~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    So let's get it straight, this is the fifth-deadliest Atlantic hurricane this year?? And like the 15th deadliest in the last four years?? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:09, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: The good thing is that Nicaragua and the vicinity has learned greatly from past failures with Hurricane Eta. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Well of course, these events are so routine that lessons have to have been learnt. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: So we shouldn't post any or almost all cyclone impacts? NoahTalk 14:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    We should do what I said below. Post those events which are not routine. This is patently routine, it's fifth in the list of deaths from Atlantic hurricanes this year alone! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, let's say a hurricane hits the United States in late November. 40 people die, and The Rambling Man says it's routine. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    You can say that, but don't ever put words in my mouth pal. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Routining so much it has happened 4 times in less than a month (Molave, Goni, Vamco, Eta, what else?)--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CyclonicallyDeranged: The thing is that the listed above all caused many deaths. The thing about 50 deaths is a bit much, I'm fine with 30. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No no no, it's got to be contextual. If we had 24 hurricanes all of which killed 30+ people in a year, we wouldn't post them all. We should be looking for the non-routine events, that could be wind speeds, or $ damage or # deaths, but this is fifth in the list for this year, 15th for the past four years, it's utterly mundane. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
More things in the world kill more people than these storms, like COVID. Report them, not cyclones. 30 is way too small. I could increase my threshold to 100 deaths, 50 is too small.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ITN only has four spots to put in any news in at a time. If there are 4 or more cyclones within a week that cause deaths, ITN has a huge problem.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Typhoon news is regionally parochial [1] [2] [3] --LaserLegs (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I think this is getting like the Space-X posting. These things happen en mass in certain areas of the world many many times per year. Literally nothing is remarkable about almost any of them. We should really focus on those events which are truly newsworthy from an encyclopedic perspective, not just utterly mundane and routine occurrences, of which this is just a perfect example. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Same nations (Philippines and Vietnam) getting the headlines three times in less than a fortnight. Fishy much?--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I will support when death toll reaches 50. Right now I am still inclined to oppose. Noting this will be two news reports reporting the same group of nations in as many weeks (Eta). Post-comment: Actually, this part of world is impoverished and vulnerable: I will only support after 100 deaths.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Communications are down right now which is making this storm's death toll remain lower than what it will end up at. 30 more missing after a landslide. NoahTalk 14:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    So nominate it when the impact is well known, not when it's simply "just another Atlantic hurricane". The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think we really need some kind of guidelines for what tropical cyclones are posted to ITN, as these discussions are getting out of hand. Gex4pls (talk) 15:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – In local print journalism of yore, the typical weather story went, "A major storm roared through (city or area name) yesterday, felling trees, downing power lines, flooding streets and disrupting traffic." If you don't live there, it's of near-zero interest unless it affects someone you know. – Sca (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: For some reason, big snowstorms were always more interesting. – Sca (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Very much the same things happen in today's cyclones as it was eons ago, although with more people and higher technology comes an increase in damage bills and perhaps decrease death tolls due to improved forecasting.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man, CyclonicallyDeranged, and WaltCip: Death toll is now up to 21, with 44 missing. Though TRM and CD will probably not change their opinions, I'm just letting them know. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, that is in no way remarkable, in no sense at all does it set it aside from the three other deadlier Atlantic hurricanes so far this season.... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:01, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: FYI, It's now the third most deadliest, after Laura and Eta. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know when it becomes notable. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, much deadlier than two of the pacific Typhoons we posted last month, one with four supports in less than a day. If anyone is unclear: Central America is not the United States of America so you don't need to "fight systemic bias" here --LaserLegs (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I had honestly thought Nicaragua was located in Kansas, so thank you for clearing up the confusion.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - We do have some people passionate about natural disasters here, that much is obvious. The passion is appreciated as pertains to updating the articles and making sure they are of quality suitable for the main page. However, ITN looks at overall newsworthiness and encyclopedic value, not just at how much damage a storm does in the moment. We're looking at the big picture.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • By that, all those sports records will not get posted. I don't mind if they don't - who cares if a guy beats the record for a 5000 m race by one second? ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict)It is due to too many ITNs about hurricanes and typhoons in the past two to three weeks plus this hurricane affecting the same area as another hurricane only two weeks ago that got featured on ITN, that causes me not willing to see another ITN about another hurricane. Current death toll is still not high enough to change my stance.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 16:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict)As many people who follow track-and-field would explain, the significance is in measuring the maximum of human physical achievement throughout history. Indeed, beating the existing record by a second would be considered of earth-shattering significance in that field.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • How many sports records have been on ITN in the past two to three weeks? I'll bet it is much less than the number of cyclone ITNs.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 16:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • None, but there was a bunch before September or October. Anyway, we're getting off-topic. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • This conversation doesn't appear to be going anywhere, I say we just wait for the death toll to plateau or pass 50, then discuss further. Gex4pls (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I closed this about 10 minutes ago due to arguing here but it was reopened. NoahTalk 16:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I support closing the nomination. Reopen only when the death toll skyrockets.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 16:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why? We've shown two recently posted typhoons which were speedy posted with lower death tolls. What's the reason to not post this one? Were those mistakes? --LaserLegs (talk) 17:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes they were unless something extraordinary happened in each case, they were routine weather patterns and barely notable, let alone suitable for the main page of a global encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:20, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough then. We should do better next season. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Not sure which typhoons you are referring to. I remembered only discussing one typhoon. The others I didn't.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Goni and Molave --LaserLegs (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Goni, I supported as notable (one of the strongest). Molave, I did not discuss when the nomination was open. If Molave occurred today I would oppose.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 17:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Iota is the only cat 5 of a record atlantic season --LaserLegs (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OMG, groannnnnnn. "Iota is the only cat 5 of a record atlantic season" is fansite material.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ITN's blurb for Molave was later updated to state it caused 50 deaths at the time it rolled off. It ultimately caused 71 deaths. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes in this case it would have been better to nominate Molave at the moment it was known the typhoon killed 50...or 71.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's true... but sometimes once everyone accounts the casualties (or some of it until it reaches the WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS of 50), it's no longer In the News. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Counting deaths can take days, even weeks after the event actually occurred so no surprise there. Then there is the government making their own funny decisions on what info to publicly release, and there are corrupted governments that do even worse. By the way, Molave and Goni were on ITN at the same time at one point, and I believe it would be preferable to have two typhoons combined on one ITN headline.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 18:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On your first point, again that's true. If we'd wait to hit for the WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS of 50, some blurbs would not have made it because people who would've argued "wait until we reach the WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS of 50" would then argue that it is stale once it reached the WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS of 50... or they'd probably hike the WP:ITNMINIMUMDEATHS to 100. On your second point, we don't do that, just as the same way we don't combine two routine general elections in two separate countries. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will there be a quiz on this 26,000-word topic? – Sca (talk) 18:15, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Goni groaaaaaaaaaaaaan it's "one of the stronnnnnnngessssttttttttttt" burp. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walid Muallem

Article: Walid Muallem (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Syrian foreign minister and deputy PM. Article in reasonable shape - Dumelow (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support good enough. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is fine and interesting career. Gotitbro (talk) 15:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is one dead link/404 error (ref 7 as of now) that I can't get IABOT to fix, would be better if that could be replaced JW 1961 Talk 17:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Joseywales1961, I found an archived version and fixed it- Dumelow (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Bagumba, thanks. Would have been good to go from the bottom of the stack to give other articles a chance. Ktin (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 15

November 15, 2020 (2020-11-15) (Sunday)
Arts and culture
  • Pope Francis issues an appeal to authorities in Ivory Coast to establish a climate of mutual trust and dialogue in the West African nation, where controversial elections have led to violence and a mass exodus from the country. (Vatican News)

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) 2020 Moldovan presidential election

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Article: 2020 Moldovan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maia Sandu (pictured) is elected first female President of Moldova, defeating incumbent Igor Dodon. (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle The Telegraph (source for first female), AP
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 ArionEstar (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose a section tagged for expansion, the results only quote exit polls. And WP:LINKROT much? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but support in principle. Empty section. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Rambling. Maintenance tags and refs required and too many ELs/non-formatted refs. Gotitbro (talk) 14:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs expansion, but would've supported it otherwise. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 23:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentThe non-formatted refs and expansion tags have been resolved. Can someone confirm whether this is sufficient? Joofjoof (talk) 01:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article is thorough and well-referenced, and gives a good synopsis of the candidates and issues of the election. Prose Results. I did not check against LINKROT, but if they have been addressed then this is as good an election article as I would expect.130.233.213.199 (talk) 12:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Seems ready. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Looks complete, although I'm not a fan of the glitzy campaign signs. – Sca (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. --Tone 14:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carlos Amadeu

Article: Carlos Amadeu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian football manager. I am working on fleshing out the article a bit - Dumelow (talk) 07:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Taylor (basketball)

Article: Norman Taylor (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian basketball player. Article could perhaps use a little expansion but otherwise looks good - Dumelow (talk) 06:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) SpaceX Crew-1

Article: SpaceX Crew-1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ First operational manned flight, SpaceX Crew-1 launches with astronauts Michael Hopkins, Victor Glover, Soichi Noguchi, and Shannon Walker. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceX Crew-1 launches with astronauts Michael Hopkins, Victor Glover, Soichi Noguchi, and Shannon Walker.
News source(s): CNN, Guardian
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Pending a last-minute abort, this manned, ITNR launch should occur in 80 mins from posting this. I am still posting this so people can take a look at the article for last-minute checks. 205.175.106.183 (talk) 23:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment What is "First operational manned flight" supposed to mean? First for SpaceX or is it some technical lingo? If its only unique for being a SpaceX manned flight, why so? Needs to be clarified in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - as I understand it, SpaceX made a test flight earlier this year, which just had dudes orbiting around for a while before coming down again, while this new one is a proper "mission", which will dock with the ISS. It would certainly need clarifying what that means, and I suspect just going with the shorter ALT blurb is better. The article's "Mission" section is currently lacking some references, so that will need fixing up before going live, and I suspect also a bit of prose on how the launch itself went, once that's known, would be good.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I was coming in to nominate this myself. Agree that this is ITNR. Re: above comment from Amakuru -- almost that, the only edit is that the previous launch also docked at the ISS carrying astronauts Bob and Doug. The difference is that the previous launch was a test launch/mission and hence designated as 'demo'. The article should be updated with launch details. Would also recommend that the blurb be edited to mention the ISS as well.Ktin (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cmnt it just launched. Previous one was a demo/test flight. This is a contracted, commercial flight. Alt has the non-verbose version. 205.175.106.183 (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 08:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment takeoff time seems to be unreferenced, and I'd wait for this to dock successfully if it was down to me, but ITNR probably just refers to the launch, so no complaints if, once the time is sourced, this being posted. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:00, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Per TRM, but wait until docking. A milestone? – Sca (talk) 14:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I really don't understand why this one is notable. In the first mission, they launched and recovered 2 people from space, docked with ISS, did four EVAs, the mission wasn't exactly short like the 1st missions of US, Russia, and China "spent over 100 hours completing science experiments, while traveling 27 million miles over their 1024 orbits of the Earth". Hats-off to space-x for basically checking most of the boxes in one go the first time (which would have taken governments years...), for which we duly posted as ITN, but this time there is nothing noteworthy incremental that would justify second posting. Albertaont (talk) 14:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Albertaont: WP:ITN/R#Space exploration says that "the launch of crewed orbital spaceflights" qualifies automatically for ITN, so per usual convention we shouldn't be opposing this on notability grounds. If you think that condition for a recurring item is invalid, then you'll have to suggest a change at Wikipedia talk:In the news and gain consensus for that. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The rule is the rule, I guess the change will have to be suggested there. Albertaont (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I would've thought that routine ISS launches wouldn't qualify for ITN, but I guess ITN/R says otherwise. We should discuss that at some point. Juxlos (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This does need to be revisited on ITNR. I thought this was unique being the first commercial mission et all, but that is not the case and that mission had been posted earlier sometime ago on ITN. Don't see the uniqueness of this at all. Gotitbro (talk) 18:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've argued for years that routine ISS crew rotation flights should not be ITNR. No-one has come up with a counter-argument, but the discussion always peters out without any changes the the listing. See the archives of WT:ITNR. Modest Genius talk 13:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Alt1. The other blurb was confusingly worded. --Jayron32 16:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ray Clemence

Article: Ray Clemence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well-known international goalkeeper. Article needs work. Black Kite (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Orange tags and a lot of unreferenced statements including whole sections. Gotitbro (talk) 23:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sadly the referencing issues still remain.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Masters Tournament

Article: 2020 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Dustin Johnson wins the Masters Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, CNN
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Please can we update the prose summaries (text) for round 4 and one round of sourcing for the tables (this should be simple). Once that is done, this article is good for homepage. Congrats to Dustin Johnson! Ktin (talk) 20:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - First player to get to twenty under at the Masters. Buried the competition by five strokes and didn't even know it til the end. Good night nurse! CoatCheck (talk) 03:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality - the "Field" section has gone back to the long and unwieldy format that we discussed earlier in the year as being non-optimal. Please see 2020 PGA Championship for an example of how this should look, after lots of good work was put into that one in getting it into shape. Also, quite a few cites needed throughout the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Amakuru. @PCN02WPS, Johnsmith2116, and TheCorriynial: - please can one of you have the recommendation from Amakuru looked at. This one looks real close to making it to the homepage. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 17:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'll try to fix it to that, but a lot of the other Masters will need this treatment as well. Cites anyone can add. Most of the proboly needed info could be found on the Masters official website. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Resignation of Manuel Merino

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Article: 2020 Peruvian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Under the enormous pressure of massive protests throughout Peru, Peruvian Interim President Manuel Merino resigns from the Presidency after just six days in office (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Peru devolves into a political crisis following the impeachment of Martín Vizcarra, mass nationwide protests, and the resignation of Interim President Manuel Merino
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Peru, following the impeachment and removal of President Martín Vizcarra, interim president Manuel Merino resigns amidst nationwide protests.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Peruvian Interim President Manuel Merino resigns from the presidency amidst under pressure from Peruvian protestors
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Manuel Merino, Interim President of Peru, resigns from the presidency after 12 cabinet ministers resign, pressure from Congress, and mass nationwide protests
News source(s): Reuters, WSJ, Bloomberg, U.S. News, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Kind of a follow-up to the mass political crisis devolving in Peru. Not too related to the Impeachment of Martín Vizcarra, since the resignation was a result of pressure from protestors. I'll keep on working on the article and the altblurbs. User:DoctorSpeed

  • Comment Probably not ITN/R with no replacement yet, and the blurbs need work to be less tabloid-y. Kingsif (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update the existing blurb for the impeachment, which is still on the main page. See Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted)_Peru_president_impeached. If the situation is chaotic and disputed then move it to ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Ongoing. It seems like this renders the previous blurb outdated, and we can expect further updates, so an ongoing seems best, until such time as a stable new leaders is promulgated.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support update to existing blurb. Does not support moving to Ongoing before it would have fallen off by age. No comment on whether it should go to Ongoing when it does. -- KTC (talk) 19:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The existing blurb hasn't "fallen off by age", it's fallen off because it's no longer true. The whole point of Ongoing is to cover stories that evolve constantly over a period of time, as this one now appears to be doing. We can't just keep bumping it back to the top of ITN every time there's a development.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and merge this blurb with existing blurb for now until successor has been confirmed, which this blurb can be revised. I don't have a problem to posted it as ongoing as long as information remains up to date and available. 36.68.195.164 (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing This is what that section is for, a lot of uncertainty and multiple updates. Gotitbro (talk) 23:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing Wow, a lot of things are happening in Peru right now. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 02:01, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support either altblurb2 or ongoing. If we're going with a blurb update, I think it should mention the impeachment, the protests, and this resignation. Ongoing is good because the situation is so volatile. Davey2116 (talk) 08:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb II Meets WP:ITNR's "Changes to the head of government". Remove old blurb about Vizcarra's removal if it's still on the Main Page.—Bagumba (talk) 08:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, blurb II. I think it makes indeed sense to update the blurb instead of ongoing. --Tone 08:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 MotoGP World Championship

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Article: 2020 MotoGP World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorcycle racing, Spanish rider Joan Mir wins the 2020 MotoGP World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): Crash.net, The Seattle Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It would be very appreciated if someone could upload a free work of Mir. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Lewis Hamilton and 2020 Formula One World Championship

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Articles: Lewis Hamilton (talk · history · tag) and 2020 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lewis Hamilton (pictured) wins the 2020 Turkish Grand Prix and becomes Formula 1 World Champion for the seventh time, equalling Michael Schumacher's record. Mercedes are Constructor's Champions. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Lewis Hamilton (pictured) is crowned 2020 Formula One World Champion after winning the 2020 Turkish Grand Prix, equalling Michael Schumacher's record of seven, while Mercedes win the Constructors' Championship for the seventh straight year.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Lewis Hamilton (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship for a record-equalling seventh time, while Mercedes win the constructors' title.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Lewis Hamilton (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship, while Mercedes win the constructors' title.
News source(s): (Sky news) [4]
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Mjroots (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Saying "Lewis Hamilton crowns the 2020 Formula One World Championship" doesn't make grammatical sense. He has been crowned champion, he hasn't crowned the championship.
    5225C (talk • contributions) 12:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Blurb expanded per ITNR. Mjroots (talk) 12:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per ITNR. Grimes2 (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Shouldn't the blurb anchor be the 2020 Turkish Grand Prix since this is an ITNR nom? Please fix it. Gotitbro (talk) 13:05, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless you remove the record from both the blurb and alt. It makes the blurb seem overly long and trivial. Support alt3. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I have added a succinct blurb, linking to the actual championsihp article, as would be expected for the ITN/R entry. I've also mentioned that the win is record-equalling, which could be removed from the blurb if people feel strongly that that's not relevant.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think it's usually just the winners. For example the blurb for the 2020 NBA Finals didn't mention that the Lakers tied the league record for most championships.—Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, but this is a significant achievement, and probably newsworthy in its own right, independent of the ITN/R rules. Although perhaps, as TRM says, we could hold off for next year if and when he breaks the record. I weakly support inclusion I guess.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Amakuru's Alt III with Hamilton also bolded is acceptable. To be clear, Hamilton's achievement is ITN-worthy in its own right, regardless of any ITNR considerations. The two can be combined. Mjroots (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        Do you mean my ALT II? I have tweaked that so that Hamilton is also bolded, since he is seemingly the subject of the record equalling feat.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        Alt II is acceptable. Mjroots (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt3 205.175.106.183 (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: no matter which blurb is posted, can we not post a photo with it? That Lewis Hamilton photo has been on the front page so many times. As an alternative, a picture of Lewis' car might be better (File:Lewis Hamilton 2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - race day.jpg).  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 00:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marked as ready - no real opposition to posting. Suggest ALT II is used. Mjroots (talk) 07:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 3 only. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT 3. There is consensus for the short version of the blurb, which also conforms with ITN/R. Currently I don't see a consensus for including info about the record-equalling title, but discussion can continue and the hook expanded if the discussion develops.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to be clear on this, I've posted the minimal version here since consensus for that is clear. But per my above comment I would support alt 2 if there's consensus for that - just that at present I don't think there is... Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tigray conflict

Article: Tigray conflict (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Ongoing and apparent cause of previous concerns about Ethiopia, article in generally good nick Brandmeistertalk 10:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I edit-conflicted with you nominating this. I am not sure of my position on it yet but for the record this is the comment I had on my nomination: "with the recent Mai Kadra massacre and Asmara rocket attacks as well as accusations of war crimes from the UN, I think it is worth us discussing the merits of adding the conflict to ongoing" - Dumelow (talk) 10:20, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks fine. The most prominent armed conflict in news as of now (after the Nagorno Karabakh war ended). Gotitbro (talk) 12:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Includes bombing of Eritrean capital Asmara. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ethiopian civil war 2 question mark? CoronaOneLove (talk) 15:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This won't go away anytime soon. Albertaont (talk) 16:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality - certainly seems noteworthy enough, per above. But the structure and format of this article don'tlook great at the moment unfortunately. The actual conflict itself is reduced to a "timeline", which isn't really a substitute for proper prose summarising the event as a whole. And the lead is only two lines long at present. There's a "article undergoing restructuring" template at the top, so perhaps this is already being resolved, and in any case we should wait until said restructure is complete. As a final point, since we haven't posted this before, shouldn't it start with a proper blurb rather than going straight to Ongoing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amakuru (talk • contribs)
    • @Amakuru: The timeline structure of the article is probably disqualifying at FAC, but not for the Main Page IMO; I also don't think that a blurb is required prior to posting to Ongoing. I would post this right now but for the {{Under construction}} template on it. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I was slightly surprised not to see this earlier. A major conflict with potentially massive implications in East Africa. The timeline format is currently fine for posting but I do agree that it might cease to be as the conflict develops and the list gets longer and longer. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article is simply not ready to go on the front page. Impact is also unclear. I read potentially massive implications. Ok. Maybe. Too early too tell. We are not a newsticker and so we can wait until the situation becomes clear. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:104A:9C3F:31A:8C74 (talk) 06:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Too early to claim that it has implications? Plenty of reliable sources have addressed this exact aspect (BBC, Reuters among others). It's true that we aren't a news ticker, but if we don't post the outbreaks of large-scale conflicts we really need to ask why we have an ITN section at all. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 08:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Someone please have a look at the orange tag that calls for introduction expansion, otherwise I think this is more or less ready for ongoing. --Tone 09:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted to ongoing; I have dealt with the lead problems. The latest update on this, however, is only two days younger than our oldest blurb, so perhaps that might be something to look out for and possibly discuss. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Soumitra Chatterjee

Article: Soumitra Chatterjee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express, NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Actor in Bengali films. Article requires some work in adding citations across sections and also removal of the yellow box. Nice work by Gotitbro. I think this article looks clean for RD. Ktin (talk) 08:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, lots of work needed. None of the publications are cited, most of the awards are uncited, passages of main text uncited, grammar needs an overhaul ("He acted more than 210 films in his career till 2016", " In Teen Bhubaner Pare (1969), he again shared the screen with the Tanuja, and his flamboyant and peppy way of romance" etc.) - Dumelow (talk) 10:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose reference issues, tone issues. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose For now. Mostly what Dumelow said. Gotitbro (talk) 12:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: I have done some cleanup for the the lead (yellow box), refs and the issues raised above (publications). Please see if there are further issues with tone, otherwise it looks ready for RD. Gotitbro (talk) 03:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks fine now. Gotitbro (talk) 04:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the nominator, thanks to the edits from Gotitbro and others. I did a round of copy edits, and I think it meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership

Article: Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ASEAN and five regional partners sign the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, creating the world's largest trade bloc by percent of global GDP. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Fifteen East, Southeast Asian and Australasian states signed the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, creating the world's largest prospected trade bloc by GDP or population.
News source(s): "China, Japan and 13 other Asian-Pacific nations have agreed to found the world's largest trading bloc" ABC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article could do with a little work in some areas. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 10:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support top economic news this morning. The criticism section doesn't "need expansion". The article itself, lotta proseline. That table has no refs and doesn't really add anything it could go. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – important news, and the article seems to cover the key information. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The terms of the agreement are completely absent. Also, if you want to say "negotiations took 9 years and 27 meetings" that's fine. We don't need a proseline list of dates and locations of those meetings. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:GreatCaesarsGhost the terms of the agreement are not publicly available yet. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 15:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have no idea where and how you got the idea that the terms are "absent" or "not publicly available", as both Japan and Australia has published the full text of RCEP agreement, even including annexes. Also (even if it really were absent) I cannot see any connection between "terms absent" and an objection for ITN - would you please clarify your reasoning for that? --173.68.165.114 (talk) 22:52, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not sure about this. While significant not really sure what will come of this, a lot of media hype was created earlier but that has probably dampened due to the pandemic. I'd say wait for sometime and if its still being given prominent coverage internationally we can consider it. Gotitbro (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose And now oppose, thanks Masem for pointing this out, only an agreement for a pact no ratification as of yet. Gotitbro (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as this requires ratification by the member countries which could take two years. It is important (scope like formation of EU), but not yet assured. --Masem (t) 14:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Concerning the case of TPP, non-ractificationess didn't pose a successful objection (and of course, TPP was in ITN for a second time when it's ractified). I wonder if there's any change in ITN certeria during this five years. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Support Thanks 173.68.165.114 (talk · contribs) for convincing me. Cheers. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Front page coverage in almost all asian pacific countries, and it is still getting decent coverage even in North America. Albertaont (talk) 16:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ratification will almost certainly come piecemeal considering there are 13 countries involved, and I don't see any clear indication to assume it would not pass in all countries. Otherwise, this is by some measure the biggest trade bloc in the world and it takes up considerable attention in international news - some headlines, but definitely top of the economy section at least. Juxlos (talk) 18:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This has already got plenty of global coverage. I'm intrigued by the suggestion that ratification is more important here than signing. Would we not have featured the United Nations Conference on International Organization simply because it was several months before Luxembourg ratified it? —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in itself historic, regardless if it is ratified or not. The scope of it is what is significant, and per Brigade Piron and per 173.68.165.114, it is deserving of ITN. Please reconsider Destroyeraa, Masem and GreatCaesarsGhost based off 173.68.165.114's comment and others. Thanks. 108.46.219.194 (talk) 01:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. Good reasoning. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • My objection was and remains the lack of any detail of what is in the agreement. As noted in the ABC article above "It will take time to fully assess exact details of the agreement encompassing tariff schedules and rules for all 15 countries involved — the tariffs schedule just for Japan is 1,334 pages long. It is not expected to go as far as the European Union in integrating member economies but does build on existing free trade arrangements." We need something like this in the article, preferably from a few different sources. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you! May I understand the objection this way: it is not the lack of detail but the lack of understanding of the detail. Since the agreement is too detailed and technical, it is almost impossible to overall catch the effect of those numbers, and the most practical way for most international analysts who do not have enough time and resources to input and simulating all these data into a supercomputer is simply wait and see what will happen. Correct me if my understanding of your objection is incorrect. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 04:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Btw I added a geographic based alt blurb, for I think many non-Asians may not be familiar with what ASEAN is. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 04:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it might or might not be significant, but the article for sure is not even close to being ready for the front page. A tiny section on the actual provisions of the agreement, one sentence on the ex-ante impact, a bullet point list of negotiation dates, but almost nothing about what was negotiated. And nothing on the background, rationale, political economy. And btw, I also agree that it should be posted one it comes into effect, AFTER ratification. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:104A:9C3F:31A:8C74 (talk) 06:22, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Historic agreement. Davey2116 (talk) 08:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Until this is ratified, it is really just speculative. Particularly as, per GCG, we do'nt know the details to judge how significant it is. We should post as and when it is ratified and/or details show its importance. Also, per IP above, the quality needs improving before we would consider posting it.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    THe IP stated the entire agreement has been released. It'll take time to go through it, but an agreement this big and important should have a lot of journalists reading and commenting on it quickly. That said, there's already a good argument for waiting, and waiting should address the substance problems. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, I agree with that. Once the detail that you mention is included, and assuming it doesn't turn out to be just some minor deal to reduce tariffs on paperclips or something, it could be good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Amakuru: I'll just cite one of the permutations as an example, from a Nikkei source. Japan's trade with China ($350 billion) will see tariffs removed on c. 90% of products. Similar is true with South Korea-Japan ($100 billion or so). It basically is a free trade deal, minus a number of select commodities. Juxlos (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support why not? It's a huge deal encompassing 30% of the world's economy. Banedon (talk) 12:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If this isn't significant enough I don't know what economic news is. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The short Contents section convinces me that this is not actually impactful. It's an incomplete tariff reduction. Confusingly, it is supposed to reduce red tape, but at the same time introduce rules of origin regulations. The section flatly says that the most salient subjects are not addressed in the agreement, and that it is not as comprehensive as previous treaties. It is not topline economic news in my corner of the world.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 14

November 14, 2020 (2020-11-14) (Saturday)
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(Closed) RD: Adolfo Bolea

Closed as stale, the oldest RD on the template is currently 15 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 06:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Adolfo Bolea (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario de Cádiz (in Spanish)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Spanish footballer and manager. I've expanded it to include his management career and it looks OK now - Dumelow (talk) 16:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just added 1 cn in the "Club career" section re hat-trick and scoring records, would support (ping me) when that is addressed JW 1961 Talk 17:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Joseywales1961, can't believe I missed that one. Now reffed - Dumelow (talk) 18:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thanks for the update, looks ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Piatra Neamț hospital fire

Article: Piatra Neamț hospital fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at the COVID-19 intensive care unit of a hospital in Piatra Neamț, Romania, kills ten people and leaves seven others injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Euronews Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Stub but many sources and considerably tragic event. ArionEstar (talk) 12:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose though a tragic event, the death toll is still rather low compared to other fires/disasters we’ve posted. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:09, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I presume that the international coverage draws more from the COVID connection that the deathtoll, as Destroyeraa says, or fact of it being in a hospital. Certainly very tragic, but not globally significant. —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: worldwide news, extensive coverage.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Would have been ideal to post closer to the day but it didn't and the news has become old. No longer a support.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 07:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Des O'Connor

Closed as stale, the oldest RD on the template is currently 15 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 06:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Des O'Connor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sing on our show? You can't sing on your own show! All round entertainer and nice guy, who didn't care about being fashionable. Article needs many more sources, but people are working on it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Sourcing is frankly only one of the big issues with this article. There are a few sections which are not even in prose! —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, per Brigade Piron there are many citation needed tags and the Career section in bullet points needs to be addressed JW 1961 Talk 21:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has now been reported in several news sources as confirmed by a quick Google search. Furthermore, O'Connor is very well-known at least in the UK. Agreed that there are several CNs in the Career section of his article, but is this criterion for inclusion as an RD? — Smjg (talk) 15:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Smjg, I think you misunderstand the criteria for including an article in RD - please read WP:ITNRD. The key thing is article quality, not importance, and this article is currently one of the worst nominated here for quite a while! —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Brigade Piron, I was hoping I could blitz through it and source everything, but I haven't had time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:14, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Max Gros-Louis

Article: Max Gros-Louis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian First Nation chief. I'd like to do a bit more work on it, but it's getting there - Dumelow (talk) 09:24, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Doug Supernaw

Article: Doug Supernaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Houston Chronicle; Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Good. I can see any missing refs.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 07:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ҥ (talk) 09:44, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now unfortunately, as ever, it's the discography that falls down on referencing. It's not clear where I look to verify the label and "CD, Cassette" etc for the albums, and some refs e.g. the US County one in the chart performance seem to be dead. All else looks good though.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Updated dead links, refs added and removed singles and videos that there were no RS to verify (re Amakuru the labels and formats are under releases on allmusic sometimes it's a hover button) JW 1961 Talk 13:18, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's still an orange box at Doug Supernaw#Discography re: citations needed. It needs to be resolved (or removed if no longer relevant).—Bagumba (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment thanks for the updates, but there's still a few things that are unclear to me. Once these are resolved, I think it'll be good to go:
    1. The link for the US Country album chart positions, just points to https://www.billboard.com/charts/country-albums, which defaults to the chart as of this week. How am I supposed to translate that page into verifying the peak position for Supernaw's albums? It looks like a Paywall site, so I'm not sure what lies beneath, but it seems like explicit links verifying the peak positions would be better.
    2. Ditto for US country songs chart.
    3. The studio albums don't seem to have AllMusic links, so I can't verify the release date, label and formats for those.
    4. The cite links in the "Music videos" table seem to be broken - they all just redirect to the generic page https://www.youtube.com/user/cmtvideo/.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: re point #3, I've added an AllMusic ref to his album discography. For points #1 and 2, you could use the "Date Search" dropdown function that comes after "The week of …". That part is not behind a paywall. And explicit links to peak position charts were not required for the ITN noms of Jerry Jeff Walker and Johnny Bush just over a month ago. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bloom6132: Having the reader query up to 52 weeks to find a given rank for one song is not exactly verifiable. For the US tracks, Reno (Doug Supernaw song) used https://www.billboard.com/music/Doug-Supernaw/chart-history/CSI, which had all of his ranked songs in one place. Not sure if that single-link equivalent exists for the Canadian charts. Otherwise, those individual song articles seem to have some relevant citations for the respective song.—Bagumba (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: the link you provided is already included in the article, so I've expanded its use into the Singles table. As for the Canadian charts, the ref from the Canadian government (Library and Archives Canada database) is the only reliable source that I know of. I can't say that about the other external links in the RPM article. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba and Amakuru: just added archive URLs to the "Music videos" table (addressing point #4). @Spencer and Stephen: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Almost there! Still wondering how we verify those US Country chart numbers though... the 27, 48 and 42?  — Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bloom6132: For the other Billboard charts for Supernaw, go to that link you already used at https://www.billboard.com/music/Doug-Supernaw/chart-history/CSI. Where it says "Hot Country Song" up top is a drop-down menu, where you can get to other charts specifically for him. For example, selecting "Top Country Albums" will bring you to https://www.billboard.com/music/doug-supernaw/chart-history/CLP, which you can use for the "US Country" column for the studio albums. All that's left is Canada. Perhaps others might say the article is mostly sourced and be OK? Other options are to move it to the talk page. Good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 12:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba I thought ref 20 verifies the Canadian charts? That same government source for RPM was deemed acceptable in the RD nom Johnny Bush just over a month ago, because the URL was targeted for that specific artist (as opposed to linking to the general database for the reader to search). Surely it should be acceptable in this case, don't you think? —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bloom6132: Sorry I dion't see that it was only for this artists. I'm probably not making a formal bolded !vote here, so people can interpret my comments how they want. It seems like all the sources are probably there among those 64 links. It's just a matter of clicking through each one until you get the one that's relevant. Correct? —Bagumba (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:51, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks generally good to me. Gotitbro (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Thanks Bloom6132 for the updates to referencing. Seems like we more or less got there in the end, hence I'm withdrawing my previous objections, albeit that the links and finding specific facts may be a bit convoluted in places, per Bagumba above! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Hasan Muratović

Closed as stale, the oldest RD on the template is currently 15 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 06:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Hasan Muratović (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Sarajevo Times)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 4th Prime Minister of Bosnia ans Herzegovina. Dies from COVID-19. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Armen Dzhigarkhanyan

Closed as stale, the oldest RD on the template is currently 15 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 06:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Armen Dzhigarkhanyan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Armradio) meduza.io
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Renowned Armenian-Russian actor. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "selected" filmography (whatever that means) is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, and yes, filmography has wikilinks to corresponding articles, all of which have references --Andrei (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    This isn't true, nor is it helpful for RD - article referencing should standalone. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Some of those films don’t have articles. Stephen 11:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support while I don't like the idea of "selected filmographies" either, I think the article is suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 23:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Filmography (including voice credits) needs to be sourced on the page itself. Wikilinks to other wiki articles should not be considered substitutes for sources. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 00:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The entire Sean Connery filmography has only four sources. Yet, there were no problems with him. --Andrei (talk) 00:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That article wasn’t put on the main page. Stephen 05:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM. The filmography needs sourcing before this goes up.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on (1) unreffed 'ography and (2) LISTCRIT. Point (2) can apparently be resolved with {{Inc-film}} per this recent example which we we posted.130.233.213.199 (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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November 13

November 13, 2020 (2020-11-13) (Friday)
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(Posted) RD: Masatoshi Koshiba

Article: Masatoshi Koshiba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nobel laureate in Physics for work on Neutrinos. Death announced on this date. Unfortunately, didn't see this over the weekend. Could have done more justice to the article. Ktin (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Edits and expansion done. Article is well referenced. Meets all hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Good to go. If someone wants to learn more about this topic you can start here. Ktin (talk) 04:08, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This looks ready for posting. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Amakuru, Stephen, Bagumba, and John M Wolfson: pardon the intrusion. Please can I request one of you to help have a look at this one, since the carousel might move beyond at any point now. This is ready for homepage / RD. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted - Dumelow (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hurricane Eta

Third nomination of item posted on 6 November. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Hurricane Eta (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Eta kills 165 people in the Caribbean and United States (Post)
News source(s): [5] [6]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Dissipated on the 13th, should have been nominated sooner I guess. LaserLegs (talk) 10:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This has already been posted before, so why nominate again? KittenKlub (talk) 12:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    According to the talk page: "A news item involving Hurricane Eta was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 6 November 2020." Hmm. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 12:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I looked through the ITN/C history and didn't see it, so if I missed it, I apologize. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow Oppose Storm is dead. We literally just posted ETA a few days ago. Not newsworthy anymore. Maybe Iota will be but...~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Post closing comment turning out the archive for November 3 and 4 are missing which is why I didn't see this had been posted. A little more benefit of the doubt and a little less snark would have been nice. Y'all do how you feel though --LaserLegs (talk) 11:20, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    No snark in there, just facts. If you don't like it, don't post old news. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Western Saharan clashes

Proposed image
Article: 2020 Western Saharan clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes erupted in Western Sahara as Morocco launched a military operation in the region (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Clashes erupted in Western Sahara as Morocco launched an offensive in the region
News source(s): Bloomberg, Associated Press, Al Jazeera, Reuters, France24
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Biggest clashes since the 1991 war. Also, one of the parties labelled it a war. Altblurbs would be better imo. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 23:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose For now, no clarity on what the consequences are or will be. Also, the lead seems problematic with statements such as "internationally recognized as part of Morocco" which I don't see in the main linked articles. Gotitbro (talk) 05:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gotitbro, fixed the lead issue. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 13:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No you haven't; you've replaced "internationally recognized" with "unrecognized" which is flat-out untrue. ‑ Iridescent 14:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
War has been formally declared by one side. Need to keep a close eye on this situation, looks set to escalate. Gotitbro (talk) 13:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Premature. Scant detail in reports. Situation bears watching, though. – Sca (talk) 14:06, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. This has been slightly overshadowed by the civil war in Ethiopia but may well become ITN-worthy. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Meurig Thomas

Article: John Meurig Thomas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Welsh scientist, trying to find some more sources but not much info at the moment - Dumelow (talk) 21:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Typhoon Vamco

Article: Typhoon Vamco (2020) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Vamco kills more than 42 people after hitting the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I know in the last 2 weeks we've been posting a lot of typhoons hitting the Philippines, but they just can't catch a break! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I totally agree that in the last few weeks we've not posted [7] [8] [9] a literal record number of storms hitting the United States / Caribbean .... *shrugs* --LaserLegs (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - sadly this is normal for most storm impacts. Support since the toll is much higher now. NoahTalk 22:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. Still assessing the damages, and with the overwhelmed rescue operations in the Cagayan Valley, it'll take some time to identify the true extent of the deaths. Chlod (say hi!) 22:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Chlod and Hurricane Noah: The death toll of Vamco has risen to 42. How can a C5 kill 26 while a C2 kills more than 42 and a C1 kills 39? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Destroyeraa (talk • contribs) 22:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • People saw that the C5 didn't kill them so they let their guard down on the next one. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:01, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Wind speed does not necessarily translate to impact as heavy rains can also cause massive floods which kill more, much like Typhoon Ketsana, which killed 710 despite being a Cat. 2-equivalent. Taking in whatever I can from news right now (meaning this isn't official state information, yet it is a good estimation), Goni's impact was limited since its damages were mostly due to winds, and most of those to be affected were evacuated in time. Marikina, Cagayan, and Isabela evacuated their citizens in low-lying areas early, however, when the dams opened and all the excess water was pushed out into the Cagayan River and Pasig River, all areas which were close to bodies of water part of the spillway systems, including those far from low-lying areas, were quickly filled up, giving the state little time to react given the limited rescue teams and the extent of the affected areas. In short, they failed to prepare for the flooding caused by the dams, causing massive floods in affected areas. However, due to the lack of sources on the topic, I can't put that in the article yet. Chlod (say hi!) 23:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support been a terrible month for tropical cyclones (and there's already another storm that's forecast to hit nicaragua as a c3+), and the Philippines seems to have really taken a beating, though I do think we may want to Wait until landfall in vietnam. Gex4pls (talk)
  • Support per nom. It's unfortunate that the Philippines has been hit by typhoons in quick succession. The damage from Typhoon Vamco is already too much to ignore and floods have broken records again. Some others might dismiss this as just another typhoon, but several major international media outlets have been doing extensive coverage of the aftermath of this typhoon. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 07:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. The lead needs some expansion, at the very least it sholud provide a bit of detail about what happened in the Philippines and the death toll. After that, good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Amakuru: I've expanded the lead. If that's all that's required, it's pretty much good to go then. Chlod (say hi!) 13:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, Vamco's expected to make landfall in Vietnam as a typhoon (yes, yet another one) in the next 12 hours, which will likely lead to a burst of new info. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Never mind, I see it's just been posted. Blurb will likely need updating in the near future though. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted - apologies, I posted it following Chlod's helpful update to the lead, withdrawing my own objections, and this was before KN2731 comment above. But I forgot to mention it here. I think there was broad consensus that it was already notable enough for posting, and as usual it can be updated as the death toll and locations hit changes.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update required as official sources raised the death count to 67 people. Chlod (say hi!) 03:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: John Hays

Article: John Hays (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Hays Travel BSMIsEditing (talk) 17:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Good sourcing, but this article needs to be longer (at least start-class). Joofjoof (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – At 100 words, it's little more than a stub. – Sca (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Way too barebones a bio for RD. Gotitbro (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sadly this one is still too stubby JW 1961 Talk 20:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too short, sadly. - Poydoo can talk and edit 20:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too short. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale Stephen 00:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Sutcliffe

Article: Peter Sutcliffe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Serial killer, known as "The Yorkshire Ripper". Needs a bit of work adding extra cites etc, but looks in OK shape  — Amakuru (talk) 08:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 12

November 12, 2020 (2020-11-12) (Thursday)
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(Posted) 2020 Belizean general election

Article: 2020 Belizean general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The People's United Party wins the general elections in Belize for the first time since 2003. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, Bloomberg
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The new prime minister's article (John Briceno) needs some citations, unless the tagged parts can be considered WP:PUFFERY. Joofjoof (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Generally okayish but need to expand the lead and the reactions sections can do with some trimming (flags et all). Gotitbro (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now please provide updates of the sort requested by Gotitbro, including a proper prose summary of the results in both the lead and the body. Then this will be good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, I have edited the lead and the results sections, and shortened the quotes in the reactions. Joofjoof (talk) 00:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This seems adequate now if not stale? —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 23:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gernot Roll

Article: Gernot Roll (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German cinematographer for film and TV, many awards, - article expanded, and there could be more. The list of films is MUCH longer in German. Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Good enough. No missing refs.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 06:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The filmography needs to be expanded (see the dewiki article), is too short for the works done and the awards received. The bio also needs more prose in relation to his work. Gotitbro (talk) 06:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Gotitbro, please dont' tell me "see the dewiki article" when I said "MUCH longer in German". Can you please add from there? Because I have other projects with a deadline, - sad pun, sorry, I just can't pick when people die. When they die, I interrupt and do what I can, but no more. Anybody? Perhaps someone more familiar with film than I am? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry it was not clear from your statement what you meant. And my comment here was for everyone who sees the nom and wants to improve it not you (the nominator) specifically. I am not much familiar with German cinema (or sourcing it) so someone more attuned should take a go at it. Gotitbro (talk) 08:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Understand better, but fail to see what in "there could be more. The list of films is MUCH longer in German" could be unclear, - language edification always welcome. I'll go over my watchlist, do what I have to urgently, and THEN see if I can help, but I have found the clock of ITN ticking fast, and people not appearing because I nominated too late, so stopped waiting until the article is in shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added those films - a minority - that have an article in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this looks good enough for me. RD doesn't require anything more than "Start" class for quality, as long as there are no major omissions or other concerns such as balance/neutrality. It's over the 1500 bytes of prose threshold, so it's not a stub, and I don't think there are massive details missing from his career, as we see for some subjects. The German article's filmography is far too long, so I don't see that as an objection either.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:39, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Amakuru, it's not a stub and is well sourced JW 1961 Talk 20:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support well sourced and the filmography is large enough. KittenKlub (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Prose coverage of career is essentially a prose version of a filmography; insufficient depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 22:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Kindly tell me what you expect on what sources? - I looked at the obits again: they basically say that he filmed a broad range of genres, from farce to high literature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I also found "Gernot Roll denkt in großen Bildern, große Worte mag er nicht." - ... thinks in big pictures, does not like big words. - Bedtime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    last - small - word: meet the person --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Waking up: what I see is that if he was a director, all papers would be full of substantial obituaries, but now he was primarily "only" a cinematographer. We - Wikipedia - could do a little bit to fight that unfairness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted Filmography issues resolved. General consensus to post.—Bagumba (talk) 14:54, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Waqar Ahmed Seth

Article: Waqar Ahmed Seth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pakistani judge, I've done some work to improve referencing - Dumelow (talk) 08:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Albert Quixall

Article: Albert Quixall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Scottish Sun
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer, I've expanded and improved the article a bit - Dumelow (talk) 08:11, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support A bit short but looks fine. Gotitbro (talk) 08:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks ok for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've requested some sources. Probably just my football ignorance but there's also an apparent discrepancy between the text and infobox on the end of his career; the infobox claims he played subsequently for two minor teams. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Espresso Addict. I've sourced the 1954 oldest survivor fact (which was added by another editor), though in a somewhat roundabout way, and added a source that mentions his non-league spell at the end of his career - Dumelow (talk) 07:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Dumelow. I trawled through the list of 1954 players and they all do indeed seem to have predeceased Quixall. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Peruvian protests

MOVED
Newer discussion after Merino's resignation at #Blurb/Ongoing:_Resignation_of_Manuel_Merino.—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Peruvian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, CNN, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I hope this isn't too soon. Nominating given its coverage and given that there are currently few items in the ongoing section, and it's a good candidate once Vizcarra's impeachment/Merino's inauguration news gets stale. NoonIcarus (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the Peru impeachment blurb goes off, support in principle. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:28, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Question: is there a minimum length of time for an ongoing event? Joofjoof (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • No minimum or maximum. Stephen 02:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "hundreds" gathering here and there is a non-event. We easily get that many red hats at a QAnon rally. When it's substantial, and "continually updated" then we can discuss. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose At this point, the protests seem relatively limited in scope. Willing to reconsider if further events develop. SpencerT•C 04:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait to see if something really happens.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:31, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest add to blurb instead There were thousands protesting in Lima Thurs night.[10] Perhaps add the protests to the blub as "Manuel Merino becomes President of Peru amid protests after Martín Vizcarra (pictured) is impeached and removed from office." The picture and bolding can be moved to the new president as well.—Bagumba (talk) 04:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support In terms of the size of the protest you're comparing a country of 330 million to a country of 33 million. And it does seem to be significant because the enormous pressure of the protests seem to be effecting the new government. Yesterday over half of the Presidential Cabinet resigned and I would not be surprised to see the de facto President finally break sometime in these next few days. DoctorSpeed ✉️ ✨
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(Closed) RD: Asif Basra

Closed as stale, oldest RD on the template is 13 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 11:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Asif Basra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bollywood actor, sadly died young at 53. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Clearly notable, but the article is more or less a list of roles he's been in at the moment. Would happily be pinged if/when it's expanded to have a bit more than that. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 06:28, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing on Early/Personal life (some of which is in the infobox), career needs a lot of expansion, most of the filmography is unsourced. Gotitbro (talk) 08:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Gotitbro: Added early life. English news coverage of him is rather scant. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Remove Polish protests from ongoing

Article: October–November 2020 Polish protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Last update is from 9 November and the news coverage has also faded, suggesting their end, at least for now. Brandmeistertalk 16:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support No significant updates about the protests in the news or the article. Gotitbro (talk) 17:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal stale, poor quality article also should never have been posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal - Lack of updates on developments suggests a removal is correct. Jusdafax (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed. SpencerT•C 04:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Jerry Rawlings

Article: Jerry Rawlings (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of Ghana Jerry Rawlings dies at the age of 73. (Post)
News source(s): Graphic, The Cable
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former president of Ghana – Ammarpad (talk) 12:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Well sourced and of good length. Gex4pls (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Articles looks good. One of the most significant leaders in Ghana and in the African Union, should definitely be considered for a blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD satisfactory article for RD JW 1961 Talk 22:51, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm opposed to a blurb like most death blurbs but we've posted many former heads of whatever so IMO Rawlings qualifies --LaserLegs (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Support Blurb. People who follow African history will know Rawlings as one of the towering figures when it comes to significance, who was president and dictator for many years, before ushering in democracy and eventually seeing his chosen successor defeated. Domestically, and probably regionally, he was a more important figure than George H. W. Bush, a four-year US president whom we blurbed without hesitation. But globally, US presidents will always trump Ghanaian presidents in the pecking order, so this probably doesn't tell us much. A closer comparison would be Daniel arap Moi, who fills a similar role in Kenya. He died earlier this year, and although I posted him initially, consensus was eventually for no blurb. So, in summary, my personal opinion is that we should blurb, but when considering precedent and comparison with other figures, it's most likely an RD only.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:06, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would've supported Arap as well, but that doesn't mean this should be overlooked. Gotitbro (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Count me as a "support blurb" then. There's no doubt that he was a very prominent figure, and over a lengthy period of time, so let's go for it.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. I don't think comparisons are particularly helpful and Wikipedia is not a common law country. We already have a generally agreed standard (itself not binding) at WP:ITNRD as "transformative world leaders in their field" and should work from this. Rawlings was unquestionably a "world leader" (Ghana, at the time, was certainly among the most politically significant state in post-independence Africa) and played a major role. I think a blurb could be more than justified. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Major player in Ghanaian and regional politics. Article quality is solid and fleshed out to the point that his importance is clear. SpencerT•C 18:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think we might be approaching consensus for a blurb here. Maybe someone can assess.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted Moved from RD to blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull - He wasn't a world transformative figure and died of old age. Depressed Desi (talk) 08:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
By what measure? Please see the discussion above. Gotitbro (talk) 12:37, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep blurb - Funny enough, I was just recently reading about Jerry Rawlings and doing some research into his dictatorship in the 1980s. He was a significant figure in Ghana, and went on to become a major player in the African continent. I believe he is notable enough for his own blurb. Kurtis (talk) 08:50, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Rawlings was a huge figure at the time in Africa (particularly West Africa), and had a huge impact on politics in the region. - 109.249.185.63 (talk) 13:47, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

November 11, 2020 (2020-11-11) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Abdulkadir Balarabe Musa

Article: Abdulkadir Balarabe Musa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Punch Newspapers
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former governor of Kaduna State, Nigeria. Article looks reasonably good - Dumelow (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support Thorough and referenced, but there is a gap in coverage in the 1980s and 1990s (one ref references that he organized resistance to Sani Abacha at this time, so the subject wasn't absent from politics over this time). As an aside, I thought there was some copyvio in the article, but it looks like based on time stamps that others have plagiarized from the Wikipedia article [11]. SpencerT•C 15:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks okay for an RD to me though the career section can be expanded on as pointed out by Spencer. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks OK. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Titus Davis

Closed as stale, oldest RD on the template is 12 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Titus Davis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Central Michigan Life, NY Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American footballer. Probably needs a little more expansion but he died young at age 27 - Dumelow (talk) 18:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Added NY Post source to nom. Was leaning oppose if there was no other RS coverage.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Given he didn't do much in the NFL, would like to see more in the college career section. NFL section is fine as-is. Not enough to oppose, but would like to see some additional expansion before supporting. SpencerT•C 16:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose He was a 4-time all-conference player in college, so there should be a bit more detail on his college career. Otherwise, the article is a mere series of pro transactions and the bulky box of WP:FANCRUFT measurements.—Bagumba (talk) 05:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD or blurb: Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa

Closed as stale, oldest RD on the template is 12 Nov, oldest blurb is 10 Nov - Dumelow (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Prince and Prime Minister of Bahrain Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa (pictured) dies at the age of 84 after holding the office since 1970. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa becomes Prime Minister of Bahrain following the death of Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa, who held the office for fifty years.
News source(s): Al Jazeera BBC Al Arabiya
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Prime Minister of Bahrain. He had rule the country for more than 50 years since 1970 and was the longest-serving Prime Minister of any government in the world. 36.68.199.128 (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article will need a lot of sourcing (basically all sections from Marriage and children onwards). Also it lacks prose for his 50 years in office as Prime Minister. I will support with blurb, if his article meets minimum quality requirements. KittenKlub (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. I also wanted to nominate him. I support the reasons for a blurb, but for now the article doesn't meet the quality requirements. Once arranged, my vote will be one of Support. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alsoriano97, You can contribute to update my nomination and adding new source because it needs more informations. I believe i found only one source for this. 36.68.199.128 (talk) 11:31, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm talking about the PM's Wikipedia page, your nomination is fine. I have a busy few weeks so I don't have much free time, so I'll try to do what I can when I have a little moment to update the biography. Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, since a stand-alone article on his death and/or funeral could not be sustained. Also, not the King, and appointed, not elected. Abductive (reasoning) 13:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on article quality - many references needed all overv the article. JW 1961 Talk 15:23, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This hardly passes RD let alone a blurb. Most of it is unreferenced and half the articles is "titles". Gotitbro (talk) 18:02, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I understand that this nom is specifically for the death, a change to head of government is ITNR. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    GreatCaesarsGhost, yeah, true. I support this idea. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Because it was the original blurb that was nominated by 36.68.199.128 specifically because of his death, but due to nature that it leads to change of government to new prime minister Salman bin Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa, this nomination certainly fits ITNR and needs to revised. But i Support it to be posted as RD. 110.137.162.247 (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the above discussion over blurb vs RD is currently irrelevant, while there are still substantial parts of the article that aren't cited.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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