Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Hossein Amir-Abdollahian A landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province leaves thousands of people missing and presumed dead. The European Union passes the Artificial Intelligence Act, aiming to establish a regulatory and legal framework for AI. A helicopter crash near Varzaqan, Iran, kills eight people, including President Ebrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian (pictured). In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in twenty-four years. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Morgan Spurlock Willi Brokmeier Paul Parkman Kabosu Ivan Boesky Narayanan Vaghul view — page history — related changes — edit

Glossary Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story. Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story. A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles. Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage. The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death. All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality. Nomination steps Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC). Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate. Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready! You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination. The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted. Headers When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria. Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A. If satisfied, change the header to (Posted). Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted). Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled). Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items: Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors. Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.

January 28

Portal:Current events/2020 January 28

January 28, 2020 (2020-01-28) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Syrian Army, backed by Russian Air Force support, enters the largely deserted city of Ma'arrat al-Nu'man in the northern Idlib Governorate. Only light resistance is reported as most rebel groups, including Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, withdrew their fighters. The city had been under rebel control since October 2012. (Middle East Eye) Business and economy The Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates, the first commercial nuclear plant in the Arab world, is declared ready for operation after years of delays. It is expected to go online sometime during this quarter. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 Caribbean earthquake A magnitude 7.7 earthquake is recorded off the coast of Jamaica. (KRON 4 News) Three people, including former Mayor Frank Edwards and his wife Cinda, are killed in a plane crash near Springfield, Illinois, United States. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic Palau's President Thomas Remengesau Jr. bans chartered flights from China and suspends charter flights from Macau and Hong Kong until further notice. Remengesau is set to issue an executive order to that effect after a meeting with the National Emergency Committee. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China The Health Commission in the central Chinese province of Hubei say there are 1,291 new confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and 24 more deaths, bringing the total death toll to 106 people. (AFP via New Straits Times) China's paramount leader Xi Jinping tells the World Health Organization he is confident about defeating the "devil virus". (Reuters) Law and crime Prosecutor General of Tajikistan, Yusuf Rakhmon, announces the arrest of 113 alleged members of the Muslim Brotherhood. (Reuters) Investigations involving Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu withdraws a request for immunity to the Knesset. Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit formally indicts Netanyahu on charges of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust in three cases of suspected corruption. (Vox) Politics and elections 2020 New Zealand general election Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces that the next general election is to be held on September 19. (The Guardian) Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Trump peace plan U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveil a peace plan developed by the Trump administration for three years. The plan recognizes Israeli sovereignty over major settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank, as well as the annexation of the Jordan Valley, in exchange for a freeze on new Israeli settlements in certain areas for four years. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas dismisses the plan as "nonsense", while Israeli opposition leader Benny Gantz casts his support for the plan. (Associated Press) Politics of Qatar Sheik Khalid bin Khalifa, aide of the Emir, is appointed Prime Minister, succeeding Abdullah bin Nasser. (Reuters)

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RD: Nicholas Parsons

Article: Nicholas Parsons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit) and Philip Cross (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support An amazing entertainer who was still working until not long before his death at 96. -- JediLofty ^{Talk to me}_{Follow me} 11:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait and see if somebody can fix the fact tags without hesitation, repetition or deviation. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak

Article: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The blurb fell off the Main Page earlier, and I added it to ongoing as there was a prior consensus on the original nomination. Adding a procedural ongong nomination here, and if there is any dissent to it being in ongoing we can remove it. Stephen 03:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting support clearly still ongoing and being updated. No issues. --Masem (t) 03:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support This has to stay as Ongoing because it is ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• This is the logical thing to do. – Ammarpad (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post Posting Endorse Filing this under WP:COMMONSENSE. No need to jump through the bureaucratic hoops all over again. It's still front page news more or less daily and likely to remain so for a while. The article is still in good shape. Good call. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting endorse clearly the right call. Lepricavark (talk) 06:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• PP Support – Still very much in the news, more than any other ongoing item we've put in recently.  Nixinova   T   C   07:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse. Clearly still in the news, and likely to be so for a while. Hard to get an edit in edgewise in the article. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support posting as ongoing The story just keeps getting bigger. Nsk92 (talk) 09:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Clear consensus in favour so just tagging as posted. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Automatically support the story is being update.

January 27

Portal:Current events/2020 January 27

January 27, 2020 (2020-01-27) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Syrian Army besieges the strategic rebel-held city of Ma'arrat al-Nu'man in the Idlib Governorate and cuts the M5 Highway between Ma'arrat al-Nu'man and Saraqib to the north. (Middle East Eye) (Reuters) Arts and culture Albert II of Belgium acknowledges being Delphine Boël's biological father. (The Guardian) Business and economy The World Bank delays its decision on granting a US$500 million loan to Tanzania, in response to pressure from activist groups over the country’s policy of banning pregnant students from attending state schools. (CNN) Brazil's antitrust authority ruled in favor of a pending acquisition of the commercial aviation division of Embraer S.A. by Boeing, without restrictions. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash A United States Air Force E-11A aircraft crashes and catches fire in Ghazni Province, eastern Afghanistan. All five people on board are killed. (BBC News) (Voice of America) 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides Widespread flooding and landslides in Brazil cause 50 deaths and force thousands to evacuate their homes. (Fox News) Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 A Caspian Airlines passenger airliner crash lands on a runway and skids onto a major highway in Mahshahr, Iran, leaving 2 injured. (Sky News) A fire destroys at least 35 houseboats moored along the Tennessee River in Scottsboro, Alabama, United States, killing eight people. (Sky News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visits Wuhan, the epicenter of the pandemic, to direct epidemic prevention. (Reuters) Six travelers from China are denied entry and turned away from Samoa following the island country's introduction of a ban on all travelers from China. They later arrive in Fiji, where they are quarantined with no symptoms. These strict regulations come after a measles outbreak ravaged Samoa last month. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Germany confirms its first case of novel coronavirus in the state of Bavaria. The infected man has been placed in an isolation ward and the risk of further infection is currently considered to be "low", according to the Bavarian Health Ministry. (Deutsche Welle) Law and crime A court in Cairo, Egypt, sentences 37 people to prison terms, including eight to life imprisonment for supporting or joining Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant affiliate in the Sinai Province. (Reuters) Politics and elections Politics of Slovenia Slovenian Prime Minister Marjan Šarec submits his resignation after losing the parliamentary support of The Left party in November and calls for snap elections. (Reuters) 2019–20 Lebanese protests The Lebanese government votes 49–13, with eight abstentions and the rest boycotting, to pass the government budget in the midst of escalating protests. The budget projects a deficit of six percent, with no new taxes and most of the cuts going to the state utility company Électricité du Liban. Economists criticize the bill for failing to address the issues that caused the protests. (Al Jazeera)

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2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides

Article: 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods and landslides hit southeastern Brazil, killing at least 50 people and leaving thousands outside their homes. (Post)
News source(s): FOX News BBC Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionEstar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Large number of deaths. ArionEstar (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose until significantly expanded. Currently it is a micro-stub consisting of two sentences and a total of 41 words (including numbers). -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality: Two sentences and two refs isn't nearly enough for the main page.  Nixinova   T   C   07:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash

Article: 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A United States Air Force flight crashes in Dih Yak District, Afghanistan, killing all five on board. (Post)
News source(s): bbc voa
Credits:

• Nominated by LaserLegs (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The BACN is a civilian type (in this case a Bombardier Global Express), it's not a combat aircraft and the Taliban is claiming they shot it down. LaserLegs (talk) 01:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Wait until the US says it was shot down. 331dot (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per 331dot. We don't have enough information right now and most of what we are hearing is coming from the Taliban. It should go w/o saying that they are not a reliable source for the time of day. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Caspian Airlines Flight 6936

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Article: Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All 144 people on board Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (aircraft pictured) survive when the aircraft overruns the runway on landing at Mahshahr Airport, Iran. (Post)
News source(s): Mehr News
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Let's get some good news up for a change. Mjroots (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose unless this has wider news coverage- which may not happen for a simple overrunning of the runway, where the chances of casualties are low(unlike say, the Miracle on the Hudson). 331dot (talk) 11:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose this certainly is good news but not really notable enough for main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support not every day an aircraft overruns, and the MD-80s were extensively built. Weak because the article is still kind of disaster-stubby. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I can only work with what is available. Mjroots (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
    • I know, I'm not judging contributors just reading it that's my sense of it. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – although it's very good news, I don't see this as being notable enough for the main page. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per 331dot, TRM. Glad they all survived. – Sca (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's possible the newsworthiness of this item might be inflated due to the previous airline "accident" that took place in Iran. Still, we generally don't post no-casualty accidents on ITN, as morbid as that principle seems.--WaltCip (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• There is precedent for posting a no-casualty accident on ITN. Mjroots (talk) 15:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• ITN was a different kettle of fish back then.--WaltCip (talk) 16:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree that such a large over-run is unusual, as is the under-carriage being ripped from an aircraft full of passengers and it coming to rest on a public road. However, the aircraft seems to have survived as well as anyone could have hoped, and there are only two injuries. A dramatic near-miss certainly, but not significant enough for an ITN blurb. It should be possible to expand the article enough to qualify for DYK. Modest Genius ^talk 15:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We generally don't post near-misses: it would have to be an event like US Airways Flight 1549 ("Miracle on the Hudson") where there was significant attention to the rescue efforts/etc. And even then, not an assurance. --Masem (t) 16:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 26

Portal:Current events/2020 January 26

January 26, 2020 (2020-01-26) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) Afghan forces launch ground and air operations against the Taliban, killing 51 of them in nine provinces of the country. Afghanistan's Ministry of Defense say that the military conducted thirteen ground offensives and twelve airstrikes. In the northern province of Balkh, local officials say that three women and four children were killed. (Reuters) Syrian Civil War, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) Syrian government forces retake several cities in the Idlib Province area, amid a push from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to recapture the last rebel strongholds. (Reuters) Mali War Nineteen Malian soldiers are killed in an attack on an army camp. No group has claimed responsibility. (France24) 2019–2021 Iraqi protests Amid further heavy clashes in Baghdad rockets hit the United States embassy injuring at least one. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian) Arts and culture 62nd Annual Grammy Awards Billie Eilish sweeps the major categories winning Song of the Year, Record of the Year, Album of the Year, and Best New Artist. (Los Angeles Times) Disasters and accidents 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides At least 39 people are dead in the Brazilian states of Minas Gerais and Espírito Santo after heavy rains hit the country's southeast region. (VEJA) 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash Retired NBA player Kobe Bryant, his daughter Gianna Bryant, baseball coach John Altobelli, and six other people are killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, U.S. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China A leading group on the prevention and control of the outbreak is established, led by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. The leading group decides to extend the Spring Festival holiday to contain the outbreak. (Xinhua News) Politics and elections 2020 Peruvian parliamentary election People in Peru head to the polls to elect the members of the country's congress after its dissolution in September 2019. (BBC News) Trump–Ukraine scandal An unpublished manuscript of former National Security Advisor John Bolton's book The Room Where It Happened reveals that President Donald Trump told him that unfreezing military aid to Ukraine was conditional on their performing investigations into Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) Grammys

Article: 62nd Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? win Record and Album of the Year, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year for "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins all four major categories with her song "Bad Guy" and album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?.
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: There probably could be more on viewership, and perhaps mention that the tribute to Bryant was a last minute thing. However, the rest seem updated better than past years. Masem (t) 04:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but comment - She also won Song of the Year and Best New Artist. Maybe those two should be incorporated. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support - Article needs a bit more prose, and I've tried to add a bit where I can. Of note, Eilish is the first artist to win Album, Song, Record and New Artist in the same year since 1981, and that was the only other time this has ever happened. That could also be mentioned in the blurb too instead of just the two awards. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 05:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to a full Support now that there is sufficient prose in this article (For once!). For the blurbs, personal preference is for either alt2 or alt3, but any of them would do. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 21:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support The "Nominations" section is an eyesore and I'd like to see some prose outside of the lead, but thank you all who worked on this article for doing it this year, and staving off the otherwise inevitable ITN/R removal threads. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose original blurb with suggestions I would Support altblurbs because they not only awarding one awards, but also two awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 08:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment for the sake of brevity can the blurb just say "Billie Eilish wins record of the year and album of the year"? We barely fit 4 blurbs in the box these days ... --LaserLegs (talk) 11:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• The nominations section seems to be completely unreferenced — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. History made! MSN12102001 (talk) 12:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support – nominations section is largely, if not entirely, unreferenced; while I don't doubt the accuracy of the information, I think references would be of benefit. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support and proposing Alt III and Alt IV. No need for trivia in ITN. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 13:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC); Edited 16:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  I updated the article to expand on the pre-existing controversy and the tribute to Kobe Bryant. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 16:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment History made indeed. This might be the first time in like five or six years that we've been able to post the ITN/R Grammys on ITN. Thanks, Billie Eilish!--WaltCip (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose no prose outside the lead and also maintenance-tagged. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  That was an inappropriate "too many wikilinks" tag that has now been removed.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Too little prose. The article is also clearly trying to evade the controversies leading up to the ceremony, which should be mentioned. Teemu08 (talk) 15:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  @Teemu08: I've tried to update the article to address these concerns. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Alright, that looks better. Willing to support now. Good work. Teemu08 (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as it is focused on Billie Elilish alone, instead of the grammys as a whole. I would support a blurb that is a bit broader. --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 16:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  The normal blurb we use for the Grammys is to cover the Album and Record of the year (this is what the first blurb had done) and nothing else. But Elilish "swept" the top awards, a fact that is clearly important by the RSes, so while the trivia (2nd time its happened) can go, naming the 4 major ones she won is fully reasonable. --Masem (t) 16:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  I agree with Masem. The four awards we would conceivably put in the blurb were all won Eilish. Removing her from the blurb also removes the major news story about the awards. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 17:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Sufficient prose now. Alt3 is fine. Looks like this ITN/R might actually get posted for once :)-- P-K3 (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt2, though the others are fine as well. Morgan695 (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

  Glad to see this up. :) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Altobelli

Article: John Altobelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit) and Yoninah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died in the 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash. TJMSmith (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Jeez, that is some impressive work. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment How would other editors feel about adding his article to Kobe’s blurb? Nonstopmaximum (talk) 07:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Best to keep it just to Bryant, like when Soleimani was killed. Juxlos (talk) 07:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support decent article Juxlos (talk) 07:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - article ready for posting. Good work.BabbaQ (talk) 08:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Good article. Poydoo (talk) 12:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tom Railsback

Article: Tom Railsback (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Neutrality (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Neutrality^talk 23:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support Refs are fine, but the Political career section could benefit from a pronoun. Every sentence calls the man Ralisback. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support a few pronouns scattered around now, and article is ok. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted. This was stale actually, but I sneaked it in at the bottom because the death was only reported on Jan 22 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Kobe Bryant

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Article: Kobe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) dies at 41 in a helicopter crash. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), age 41, and four others die in a helicopter crash.
Alternative blurb II: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) and four others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
Alternative blurb III: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), his daughter Gianna, and three others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
News source(s): New York Post, ESPN The Guardian, L.A. Times, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Wikipedia is experiencing an explosion of traffic right now so I apologize if this ECs anyone. Information is still coming in but if true, this should be considered for a blurb. He is retired but only recently, and this is extraordinarily unusual.--WaltCip (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Bryant was tops in his field(even if just retired) and the manner of his death is unusual. I don't know if the other four casualties should be mentioned. 331dot (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support: World news and extremely notable former athlete, but lets wait for more details to update the article. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, pitching altblurb 1 The fact that four others died in this crash is also noteworthy. —BLZ · talk 20:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - All over the place at the moment. If needed here is another source ABC. PackMecEng (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt1 I think the fact that this nuked Wikipedia's servers is pretty good evidence of blurb notability. At a glance the article looks in fairly good shape and I don't think it is too big of an issue for the main page. Yes, it needs a little tuning, but that will be challenging until the news dies down. I'm willing to IAR a little here given the unique circumstance of his article being for all intents and purposes uneditable right now. Agree that the others in the crash should be mentioned Teemu08 (talk) 20:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support: Both blurbs looks good to me (the four other can be mentioned, but the noteworthy event is Bryant’s death rather than the crash itself) but this should be posted after the WP outage dies down. — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment As a Wikinotable person has been killed in an aviation accident, a stand-alone article on the accident is justifiable. The aircraft in question was a Sikorsky S-76B, which is a large helicopter. Am being affected by the reported issues accessing Wikipedia in Europe at the moment by only getting intermittent access, otherwise I'd start the article myself. Mjroots (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support for blurb, but strongly support for RD It is very good, well reference and notable. But i would willing for support it posted for RD because his death.
• Support blurb3 - Top of field, unusual death, article is of good quality.  Nixinova   T   C   20:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on completely unsourced tables. There are a handful of sentences that could use a cite but I can overlook those given the generally decent condition of the rest of the article. But all of the stats tables are unsourced. That needs to be fixed before this can be posted. [Note: The servers are barely functioning under the weight of all the traffic, so I'm having trouble refreshing pages and this oppose may already have been resolved by time I get it posted.] Support blurb once these issues are resolved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Tables now sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb, with the third being my preference. The article has 447 citations and is almost entirely sourced. Kees08 (Talk) 20:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb sources are saying it's his four daughters who have also died.... needs to go into the blurb. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm hearing conflicting information on that. It's not mentioned in the ESPN article.--WaltCip (talk) 20:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• I see that they're saying it was one of his daughters, not all four. But it hasn't been confirmed (or denied) yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, the four daughters info from ABC has since been deleted. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• (multiple times EC) We have a consensus for a blurb. The article is loading super slow so it will take it a while to expand the updates but the basics are there. Posting. --Tone 20:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• (ec × ∞) Support Kobe's death is why servers are on the fritz? Oh. A world-class athlete dying at 41 (the kind of death that makes me exclaim "HOLY SHIT" and drop my phone when I first saw), is much different than a septuagenarian comedian with dementia. This will be reflected in the press as writers put out their thinkpieces in the coming hours. The death is news, rather than merely being in the news. Article quality is great. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Blurb two time MVP winner doesn't strike me as "transformative world leader" in his field and he doesn't pass the "Mandela/Thatcher" test for me. Still the media circus probably justifies. Awards section in the infobox needs refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The other thing that merits a death a blurb is if the death itself is a notable event, not just the career of the deceased person. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

🏆 Five-time NBA champion

🏅 2008 NBA MVP

🏅 Two-time NBA Finals MVP

🏅 Two-time NBA scoring champion

🏅 Two-time Olympic champion

🏆 2018 Academy Award winner

The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict × 2)Support His death broke Wikipedia. What more do we need? The article itself isn't accessible right now, so I can't really look through it, though. — Gestrid (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You're the second person to attribute the availability issues to Bryants death. Is there some RS reporting the same? --LaserLegs (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)Not that I know of, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. TMZ's site also went down when they broke the news. — Gestrid (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Looks like a planned upgrade caused a spike in CPU usage and response times -- not Bryants death. Just wanted to close the loop on that one doesn't affect support for blurb at all. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support ALT1 preferred; the other four people deserve some recognition. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I couldn’t even so much as fix a typo because a billion people came to Wikipedia at the same time. (I for one didn’t believe it was really Kobe Bryant. I thought there was another Kobe Bryant who was a basketball player and Oscar winner too. Then I thought, maybe it was his dad. Absolute disbelief.) Hopefully, the page is stable enough to actually be a recent death notice. ⌚️ (talk) 21:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment For the record, it's a little premature to say his death "broke Wikipedia". The site has been having problems all day. Wikipedia tweeted about it at 11:20 PT. TMZ broke the news about Kobe Bryant's death at 11:24. Surachit (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Would we be able to remove the word "former"? I don't think it's necessary. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Take it up at WP:ERRORS.  Nixinova   T   C   21:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    No, this is the place to discuss wording changes, not ERRORS, but in any case the word "former" has already been removed. Thx  — Amakuru (talk) 22:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    I've raised this at ERRORS. He wasn't a ball player when he died, so he was a former player. It's an important distinction that needs reinstating. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment image needs to be replaced. And yes, it wasn't this death which broke Wikipedia, it's been a bit broken all day. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment ESPN now saying that one of Kobe's daughters died in the crash.--WaltCip (talk) 21:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment image should be replaced with one of kobe. Bohbye (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• ’’’Comment’’’ As WaltCip mentioned above, add daughters death to the blurb. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• (edit conflict)Comment TMZ corroborates this report about his daughter, and it's currently in the Wikipedia article. Was apparently told to TMZ by a rep for Kobe. https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1221533868433592320 — Gestrid (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – L.A. Times says "and four others" but doesn't mention daughter (filed abt 2130 UTC). Mercury-News says "unclear" if family members on board. – Sca (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  There are literally dozens of other RS saying as much. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Calif. sources. – Sca (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Say wut? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know you were from Kentucky. Sca (talk)

AP quotes 'source' saying daughter Gianna also killed (filed 2145 UTC). – Sca (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Let's leave professional scrutiny to the professionals. If the majority of reliable sources are corroborating Gianna's death, then we go with that.--WaltCip (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course, but bear in mind the AP is the world's largest news-gathering organization. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yep, we'll stick with RS, this is Wikipedia, not Reuters or the BBC. Vast majority of sources now stating that his daughter was with him when they perished. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment While deeply tragic, his daughter Gianna is not independently notable and I am not seeing any reason to name her in the blurb unless we are going to name all of the other people who also died. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, in a high-profile case like this it could be argued that she's notable by virtue of being his daughter and also being killed. It's a judgment call. – Sca (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, I think it's a case of us all being human beings, it's simple to appreciate that the loss of Bryant and his daughter is worthy of note. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

L.A. now confirms Gianna as victim. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

That's the link I posted a while ago... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

She wasn't there when I first looked at it, but now she is. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Added his daughter to the blurb.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

NYT confirms Gianna. – Sca (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Plenty of RS have confirmed this for at least an hour, I don't think it's necessary now to continue to add more when it was made clear to you some time back. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

NYT is the most respected U.S. newspaper with the largest staff. I was a bit uneasy until they confirmed it. – Sca (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - 9 people in total now confirmed dead. Blurb should be updated to reflect this. Andise1 (talk)
  • Source for nine deaths [1] - Floydian ^τ _¢ 23:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    Floydian, take it to WP:ERRORS. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting blurb support This is exactly the scenario that, in terms of RD guidance, would be taken as an "unusual death", and also with fair consideration of how significant Bryant was (If it was some random 2nd string from a NBA team, that likely would have just been RD, no blurb). This is ITNC RD processing working as intended. --Masem (t) 23:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose blurb per LaserLegs. One could say Kobe Bryant has won lots of titles, but so have other players. What makes his death more notable then - an unnatural manner of death hardly seems convincing. Banedon (talk) 01:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Kobe Bryant is the most accomplished player in the 21st century in a sport labeled as "global" by at least one person in WT:ITNR. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • An unnatural manner of death and at a relatively young age is an accepted and explicit factor for posting a person's death as a blurb, not even factoring in Kobe Bryant's phenomenal status in sports.--WaltCip (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb one of the greatest basketball players ever + a sudden death that absolutely stuns millions of Americans = a blurb. Lepricavark (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

"Not a good look for ITN." – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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Comment Oh FFS, it's posted. OK? Can the rabid fans with their post-posting comments please move on to other more useful tasks? There are always nominations needing more work. Your love for Bryant and for basketball won't help that. It just highlights the US-centrism of this place. HiLo48 (talk) No need to be rude. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 02:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Editors obsessing over one person while ignoring lots of other things to be done for ITN is rude. HiLo48 (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC) That's a weird definition of rudeness. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC) It's mine. I've made my point. You clearly don't get it. I give up. Bye. HiLo48 (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC) I do not appreciate being referred to as a 'rabid fan'. In reality, I was indifferent to Kobe Bryant even during his playing days. Spiteful comments like the above are unhelpful and have no place in a collaborative environment. Even if you had a point (which you don't), there would have been a better way to make it. Lepricavark (talk) 03:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC) So why did you join five other editors with unnecessary, almost identical post-posting comments? It's not a good look for ITN. HiLo48 (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Might be time to close this whole thread up. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That has been my point all along. HiLo48 (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Then maybe just stop talking. I'm sure we'd all be very happy with that. Lepricavark (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please don't give HiLo48 what he wants. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 25

Portal:Current events/2020 January 25

January 25, 2020 (2020-01-25) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Two women, one of them pregnant, are killed and seven others are injured when artillery hits a Rohingya village in Rakhine State. The locals blame Myanmar's armed forces. The armed forces deny responsibility and blame the Arakan Army, and say the artillery hit the village amid ethnic clashes. (Reuters) 2019–2021 Iraqi protests Iraqi security forces raid a protest site in Baghdad and try to remove protesters in southern cities, firing tear gas and live bullets, killing four and wounding dozens more. The raid comes after Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his followers to withdraw. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic General Secretary of the Communist Party of China Xi Jinping holds a special Party Politburo meeting where he says that the country faces a "grave situation" as he warns the virus is "accelerating its speed". (People's Daily) The United States orders the evacuation of the Consulate General of the United States, Wuhan employees and U.S. citizens in the city. (The New York Times) Science and technology The Boeing 777X completes its first test flight near Seattle, Washington, United States, after two delayed attempts. (CNN)

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Boeing 777X

Article: Boeing 777X (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing 777X (pictured), the world's largest twinjet airliner, makes its maiden flight. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News Online)
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SounderBruce (talk · give credit)

 Mjroots (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I want to support this, but I don't see where the article has a paragraph about the test flight (it should be in production?). The whole production section has tense issues which need adjustment (this happens when you build an article from news stories). Consider "the GE9X first flight has been delayed ... but the slip should not change the engine certification schedule". That was two years ago. Did it change the schedule or not? I don't care enough about the subject to fix the article, but reading through it felt like a 4 year summary of press releases. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support incremental change but article is good and it's in the news. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – The test flight of a new design doesn't seem sufficiently significant. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support – I think it's okay. 70.138.211.34 (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• non-rhetorical question - what is the value of a superlative "world's largest twinjet" when the world has quadjets? GreatCaesarsGhost 03:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@GreatCaesarsGhost: Quadjets are being phased out. The A380 program ended, the A340 is long over, the 747 is on life-support. Tri and quad jets almost exclusively predate ETOPS certification so there is some notability in the evolution of very large and very long range twin jets. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It's a derivative of an existing model (although a larger derivative than others). Even a newly designed aircraft with no prior derivatives failed to garner enough support for inclusion on ITN and I don't see why Boeing 777X should be any different (other than having the word "Boeing" attached to it). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That was 7 years ago .... we're not doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Questions: it's unclear to me how much this differs from existing variants of the 777. If we posted this, would it set a precedent for every minor modification of a major airliner? And would it not be better to wait until the aircraft enters service (2021 if all goes to plan)? Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • They added four frames to stretch it out. The big question is if it will require a new type certificate or not. If it's the former it may not be that noteworthy but if the latter then it's functionally a new aircraft. Now is when it's most likely to be in the news ... we post 8 to 14 air crashes a year, personally I feel like we can do one new aircraft variant every two years but that's just me. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - How a TEST FLIGHT notable enough to be in "In the News?" --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment if this winds up posted, it'll be rather contradictory, considering Microsoft terminating support for Windows 7 wasn't posted and both Windows 7 & the Boeing 777X are the products of certain companies. Banedon (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jordan Sinnott

Article: Jordan Sinnott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian; BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died 25 January Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support slim article but enough, and referenced, and tragic death. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm not seeing anything about his recent career. It's mentioned in the infobox but not explicitly sourced. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• I've just added that - it only needed a sentence, to be honest. 'Support and marked Ready. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - just over the threshold for RD. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 15:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

January 24

Portal:Current events/2020 January 24

January 24, 2020 (2020-01-24) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019–2021 Iraqi protests, American-led intervention in Iraq (2014–2021) Hundreds of thousands march in Baghdad to protest the presence of the United States in Iraq. (CNN) Business and economy Indonesia agrees to increase its imports of buffalo meat, automobiles, and sugar from India in exchange for an increase in imports of Indonesian-produced palm oil, amid a growing trade dispute between India and Malaysia. (Times of India) (Yahoo! Finance) Disasters and accidents 2020 Houston explosion Two people are killed and 18 injured in a warehouse explosion in Houston, Texas, United States. (Associated Press) 2020 Elazığ earthquake 41 people were killed and more than 1,600 were injured in an earthquake centered near Elazığ in Eastern Anatolia. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on The Walt Disney Company Shanghai Disney Resort temporarily closes ahead of the Lunar New Year "in response to the prevention and control of the disease outbreak." (AFP via GMA News Online) The Cook Islands Ministry of Health issues an edict mandating that all expatriate workers receive MMR vaccines, or risk losing their permits. (Cook Islands News) International relations Iran–Saudi Arabia relations Responding to Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif's comments that Iran is "open to dialogue with its neighbors", Saudi Arabia's Adel al-Jubeir blames Iran for recent tensions in the Middle East and for attacks on ships and oil facilities; which Iran denies. (CNBC) Censorship in Singapore, Malaysia–Singapore relations Malaysian human rights advocacy group Lawyers for Liberty sues Singaporean Home Minister K. Shanmugam in Malaysian High Court after his office invoked the country's anti-fake news law to censor the group's criticisms of the death penalty there. The plaintiff argues that the move represents "an attempt by Singapore to encroach upon, stifle or crack down on freedom of speech in Malaysia". (South China Morning Post) Morocco–Spain relations The foreign ministries of Spain and Morocco announce they will hold talks to resolve a dispute over territorial water rights in the North Atlantic, caused by the Moroccan parliament passing two laws that extended its claims to the coast of Western Sahara earlier this week. Spain expressed concerns that these laws would encroach on its claims near the Canary Islands. (Reuters) Law and crime 2020 Rot am See shooting Six people are killed and two others wounded when a man opens fire on his family members in Rot am See, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. The mass shooter's parents are among the dead. (ABC News) LGBT rights in Mauritania Police detain a gay couple in Nouakchott after a video purportedly of them marrying in a secret location emerges, in what is considered to be the first major prosecution of its kind in recent years. The attendees in the video were also detained. (North African Post)

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RD: Rob Rensenbrink

Article: Rob Rensenbrink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBCWashington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Dutch footballer. Death announced today (26th). Have updated article with his death but it needs a lot more work. Black Kite (talk) 13:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose substantial work required. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov

Article: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rossiyskaya Gazeta, RIA Novosti
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Spokoyni (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Military leader, Hero of the Soviet Union, local/regional politician Spokoyni (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - sourced. Ready.BabbaQ (talk) 11:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 15:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 Elazığ earthquake

Article: 2020 Elazığ earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A major earthquake strikes Eastern Anatolia, causing 22 deaths and more than a thousand injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 6.7 M_w earthquake in Elazığ, Turkey, kills at least 22 people and injures more than a thousand.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mikenorton (talk · give credit)
• Created by Pivox (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major damaging earthquake, still a little short on details Mikenorton (talk) 11:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but may need further update. Added altblurb. Brandmeister^talk 12:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The "Tectonic setting" is basically filler and you're left with three sentences describing the technicals of the quake and one about the damage caused. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:18, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. But need updates. MSN12102001 (talk) 14:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support ... in principle, pending expansion of thin existing article. (Three sources added above.) – Sca (talk) 14:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Lookin' better. – Sca (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:18, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 19:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

RD: Clayton Christensen

Article: Clayton Christensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HBR, WSJ
Credits:

• Nominated by Natureium (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Harvard Business School professor and author died of cancer. Natureium (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - He was notable in the business world and a popular author. - Indefensible (talk) 00:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose On balance, the sourcing here is very problematic. Lots of missing citations or primary sources. Also lots of LDS-alligned stuff that, while not junk, cannot be the foundation of an encyclopedia article. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:48, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose not adequately cited. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support there's nothing wrong with religiously-based sources (that document his role in church institutions) that are reliable. --Varavour (talk) 23:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  But there is something wrong with posting BLPs with [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  That's just the point - they're not reliable (go check RSN if you don't trust me). We wouldn't publish an article about a priest that is entirely cited to the Catholic church. A few in a long article is okay, but of the 28 citations currently in the article, 7 are to the Deseret News and 6 more are written by the subject himself. I've no doubt Christensen has seen broad and sustained coverage in reliable sources; but they are not cited here. GreatCaesarsGhost 05:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Question - how does the citing for Christensen compare to Seamus Mallon? If Christensen meets the threshold for notability and his citing is at the same standard or better, then he should be posted. - Indefensible (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  About as well as Boris Johnson compares to Usain Bolt in the 100 meter. GreatCaesarsGhost 05:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

How exactly? There are articles referenced from The Economist, WSJ, Bloomberg, HBS, and Forbes--those are all respectable sources. Christensen's article is actually rated better than Mallon's: C-class vs start-class. - Indefensible (talk) 05:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It is not sufficient to have some material cited to reliable sources, but rather "any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged [must be cited] to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The bulk of this article is not cited to reliable sources. This is not the place to discuss Mallon - if you have concerns, you may note them in that nomination or in the Errors page.GreatCaesarsGhost 17:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The point isn't that Mallon's article isn't post-worthy, it's that Christensen's article is rated higher than Mallon's [and should thus similarly be posted]. There are more citations for Christensen than for Mallon and only a couple places where the {citation needed} tag is used--if that is really the issue, the affected statements can just be removed. - Indefensible (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, so none of that is of any relevance to getting Christensen's article posted, which is the matter currently being discussed. Separately, but just as important, my comments do not prevent the article from being posted; they only draw an admin's eye to issues. They will sustain or reject my concerns. If you think those concerns are unjustified, the admin may agree. If my concerns are valid, someone will need to fix the article before it can be posted. In any case, there is no need to engage with me whatsoever. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) March for Life

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Article: March for Life (Washington, D.C.) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The March for Life, an annual anti-abortion protest, is held in Washington, D.C. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ U.S. President Donald Trump attends the March for Life in Washington, D.C., an annual anti-abortion protest.
News source(s): USA Today, Fox News, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by TheJoebro64 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Lord Voldemort (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The March for Life, a pro-life protest, was held today, drawing around 100,000 people. It usually doesn't get too much attention from the mainstream media (besides Fox, of course), but this year it's different because Trump actually attended it in person. JOEBRO64 20:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment if the 2020 march had a few paragraphs of prose including preparations, speakers, police, counter-marches, etc all that good stuff I could support it. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. If the main hook here is that Trump personally attended, that should be in the blurb. Otherwise I don't see much reason for posting this annual protest, held to commemorate Roe v. Wade. While 100,000 is a large crowd, it isn't a big newsmaker(as noted by the nominator). 331dot (talk) 20:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - not internationally significant and at best, a bipartisan flashpoint for American politics. Droodkin (talk) 20:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Brand news. The president spoke there. MSN12102001 (talk) 22:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

So add something to HIS article. HiLo48 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Happens every year. Trump did attend for the first time, but it's still a regular event. On top of that, the relevant section about the 2020 March for Life is literally one sentence. Master of Time (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Recurring annual protest lacking the kind of significance we generally look for in order to post such things at ITN. Trump's presence does not alter that reality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose {removed personal opinion}--WaltCip (talk) 00:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@WaltCip: That is way out of line and I strongly advise you to strike or better, simply delete the comment. See also FORUM, NPA and BLP. I'm INVOLVED, so this is not an admin warning but you should know better. This is not borderline or questionable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Politicians attend rallies all the time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Life doesn't need support. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Politicians attend rallies to hopefully convince those attending they are nice people. There is no news here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The March is a routine event - only if it drew massive crowds after the event would we post. And every time a Trump association is added we should ask "Would we do the same if we were talking Obama? Or Bush? Or Clinton? Or Bush Sr.?" and I hope obviously here the answer is no. Trump is an extremely divisfy figure but we have to be very wary of how much attention the media makes of tracking him. We are not in that position. --Masem (t) 02:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Seamus Mallon

Article: Seamus Mallon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ ITV
Credits:

• Nominated by Sheila1988 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An important figure in the Northern Ireland peace process. Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland from 1998 to 2001 and Deputy Leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party from 1979 to 2001. Sheila1988 (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Short article mostly referenced although some dead links need to be fixed Joseywales1961 (talk) 18:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment added a few CN tags, most aren't a big deal but his position on NRA violence and police reform need strong refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

  References added throughout including those 2 specified by LaserLegs Joseywales1961 (talk) 20:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• LGTM marked Ready. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

January 23

Portal:Current events/2020 January 23

January 23, 2020 (2020-01-23) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War and Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Russian Ministry of Defence says that hundreds of rebels stormed Syrian Army positions in Idlib Governorate, the ensuing fighting left 50 rebels dead and 90 wounded while government forces reported 40 dead and 80 wounded. A military source cited by Syrian state news agency SANA says the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists used various weapons such as car bombs, under an "intensive fire cover". (Reuters via Al Arabiya) (SANA) (BBC News) Arts and culture The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists advances the Doomsday Clock to 100 seconds before midnight, citing the threats to human survival posed by nuclear proliferation, climate change and "cyber-based disinformation." This is the closest to midnight that the clock has been since the project began in 1947. (BBC News) Business and economy Malaysian agriculture giant FGV Holdings Berhad announces it will increase its sugar imports from India from 88,000 tonnes to 133,000 in an attempt to resolve the palm oil trade dispute between the two nations. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2019–20 Australian bushfire season A C-130 water bomber crashes in southern New South Wales, Australia, while helping control a bushfire. Three American firefighters are killed. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic The death toll from the new coronavirus rises to 25 and 830 confirmed cases in China as four more Chinese cities, Huanggang, Ezhou, Chibi and Zhijiang are to be placed under quarantine. The total number of people under quarantine is now over 20 million people. (BBC News) (Business Insider) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore confirms its first case of new coronavirus, a 66-year-old Chinese man from Wuhan who was travelling with his family. (Channel NewsAsia) International relations Heads of state and dignitaries from around the world attend the fifth World Holocaust Forum at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz extermination camp and to address the resurgence of antisemitism worldwide. (The Washington Post) Law and crime The International Court of Justice orders Myanmar to protect the Rohingya population from atrocities. The Gambia had brought a lawsuit before the court over charges of genocide. (Reuters) A judicial source close to former Nissan chairman Carlos Ghosn says that Lebanon and Japan will have 40 days to decide whether he will be extradited back to Japan or stand trial in Lebanon. (Reuters via Al Arabiya) Politics and elections Brexit The European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 is given royal assent in the United Kingdom, formally making the bill law. (Vox)

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(Posted) RD: Gudrun Pausewang

Article: Gudrun Pausewang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): hr television
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential writer of young adult literature, for peace and environment, against nuclear power and Nazi thinling ever again, books on school canon, in film and on stage, awards in Germany and international - deserves more attention. - I expanded the article, and plan to expand Die Wolke (Fall-out, literally: The Cloud), her best-known work. Much much more available in German, but as usually without inline citations, so I'm reluctant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support but why does the article give two different translations of the title of Die Wolke without explaining which one is the official English title. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Is that clearer now (Cloud literal, the other published)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose until awards are reliably sourced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  TRM, they were in the article before expanding. Referenced now, please check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:24, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Cagua fire

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Article: 2020 Cagua fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A wildfire in Cagua, Venezuela, kills at least 11 people (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A fire in Cagua, Venezuela, kills at least 11 people, most of them underaged
News source(s): BBC, CNN, La Vanguardia
Credits:

• Nominated by Jamez42 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual event in the country and significant death toll. Nine of the dead were underaged. Jamez42 (talk) 02:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• No way we can post that short an article. And from I can read, this was accidental death by fire, and not as severe as we'd consider other tragedies. --Masem (t) 06:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose micro-stub, not encyclopedically significant. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I read the Spanish language article (through Google translate) it has a lot more words, but not a lot more info. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:43, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Article contains no more info that what is available in this blurb.  Nixinova   T   C   22:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Franz Mazura

Article: Franz Mazura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and LeQuattroStagioni (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Operatic bass-baritone with a long career - 25 years at the Bayreuth Festival, 15 years at the Metropolitan Opera (debut there at age 59), on stage at the Staatsoper Berlin the night before his 95th birthday. - The article was in a sad state, - we thought he'd sing forever. Could still be improved, - plenty of sources were added in 2010 and are an unused treasure. The next one died, though ... Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

The source treasure is now used, just one review in Italian left, - anybody? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose according to the project guidelines, discogs (as user-generated content) is not considered a reliable source, so the discography needs properly sourcing before this can be posted. The rest looks satisfactory. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  Did you see that there was no discography when I nominated?? It was kindly added by LeQuattroStagioni. Sigh, I'll go again and add the sources that are in the discographies of the pieces. - Or should we take away the discography until after RD? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  TRM, job done (and another hour later for writing about the next one who died, two days ago.) I found two good reviews on the way, wish I had time to put them in the prose. Later perhaps. - I wonder why he has this entry on WorldCat but it doesn't show in authority control. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  It shows in authority control: https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n85025197/ as entry "WorldCat Identities (via VIAF): 61733733" Grimes2 (talk) 12:12, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  Now it does. When I looked last - beginning of the ref search, I got a 404 error. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  No, I didn't see that Gerda, but that's because I was otherwise engaged and then spent the afternoon out doing other things. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  Support satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: Are you satisfied with this now, TRM? Espresso Addict (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Hi Espresso Addict, thanks for the ping, it's good to go. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Espresso Addict, are you satisfied. Others? We talk about a nice addition to the article, not about the body of the article. This great person died three days ago, presentation held up because one person is busy elsewhere and has no time to look? Really? - Thanks to the RD-crew, however, for the speedy handling of noms so far in 2020! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Calm. Since not one other soul has actually supported this, it seems perfectly reasonable to allow the only person to actually issue a preference to re-visit. Which I am doing. And I don't think the three-day delay is my doing either. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  I am calm. I didn't say revisiting wasn't allowed, only that waiting for the revisit of someone who said he was busy wasn't a prerequisit for being ready. I confess a certain nervousness, remembering Márta Kurtág whose going stale was one of two failures last year I haven't yet forgiven myself. Thank you, TRM and all. Now to Gudrun Pausewang.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  The problem is not really with me or waiting for me, after all I try to comment and return to every single candidate here. The problem is a general lack of interest in many such nominations, and that's something you might like to try to address at various other venues e.g. wikiprojects who may be interested in such nominations. The fact that I read each nomination, comment on them and even usually try to make general improvements should be lauded really. Where's my barnstar? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Please donate my barnstar to TRM. What a hero. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Oh wow. And coming from you. Such an honour!! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, I know. Even I have to make allowances. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  TRM, I'm no barnstar-giver, just number-1-thanks clicker in 2019, and think you got a few of those ;) - I also awarded you the rare Impact, and partly for what you do here, day by day. Satis? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Thank you. Credits? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Lehrer

Article: Jim Lehrer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time American journalist and PBS news anchor, who moderated many presidential debates, dies at age 85. Davey2116 (talk) 18:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Parts of 'Early Life' and 'Career' need referencing (tagged) Joseywales1961 (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. J4lambert (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

  J4lambert, when you provide a reason, it allows other editors to try to fix the problem. --valereee (talk) 20:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support pbp 23:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Also, have resolved several citation-needed tags. pbp 23:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: I think this is ready now. I have add refs for anything that was missing one. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 09:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Doomsday clock

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Article: Doomsday Clock (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientests advance the Doomsday Clock to 100 seconds before midnight, the first time it has been under 2 minutes, due to increased risk of nuclear warfare and global warming. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Outside of a few image updates due to this new state, the article is updated and ready. Masem (t) 16:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• 100 seconds? Really? How long is this farce going to continue? Editorializing aside, I have nominated the Doomsday Clock before and consensus was usually against it. So oppose.--WaltCip (talk) 16:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per all previous nominations. It's a meaningless scale. Modest Genius ^talk 17:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We'll post the clock when it hits midnight and the nuclear holocaust is underway. Until then, its just a meme. Teemu08 (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

But none of us will be around to post it then. ;) 331dot (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose – Sca (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

(However, a Doomsday Device would be a different matter.) – Sca (talk)

• Oppose - Mostly per Modest Genius. Otherwise it does not appear to be anything special at this point. PackMecEng (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 22

Portal:Current events/2020 January 22

January 22, 2020 (2020-01-22) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Second Libyan Civil War Mitiga International Airport, the only functioning airport in Libya's capital Tripoli, closes and a flight from Tunisia is diverted after forces loyal to Khalifa Haftar fire rockets toward the airport. (Reuters) Business and economy Elliott Management, a prominent hedge fund, has sold all its shares in the Hyundai Motor Group of South Korea. It had long quarreled with Hyundai's management, demanding more generous dividend pay-outs. Their departure from the shareholder ranks is likely welcomed by Hyundai executives. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Police in the Solomon Islands launch search operations to find nine people from a capsized boat near Isabel Province. Five men, two women and two children were on board. (RNZ) A small plane crashes shortly after takeoff from Corona Municipal Airport in California, killing all four on board. (CNN) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China Chinese authorities quarantine the entire city of Wuhan to prevent the further spread of the novel coronavirus as the death toll rises to 17. Nobody in the city will be able to leave starting from 10 a.m. local time on January 23, and all public transport in the city is suspended. (The Guardian) International relations UN special rapporteurs Agnès Callamard and David Kaye demand an investigation into claims made by The Guardian yesterday that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman ordered the 2018 hacking of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos's phone. The hack was allegedly done months before the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi, who was employed at Bezos's newspaper The Washington Post and was a fierce critic of the Saudi government. The Saudi Foreign Ministry dismisses the allegations as "absurd". (Reuters) Libyan peace process Algeria announces it will host a meeting with foreign ministers from six North and sub-Saharan African nations, all of whom share a border with Libya, following the Berlin peace summit to help strengthen support for a tentative peace deal to end the Second Libyan Civil War. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 Eight people are shot, one fatally, following a dispute outside a McDonald's in downtown Seattle, Washington. (The Seattle Times) LGBT rights in South Korea A South Korean transgender soldier says she will sue the armed forces after it discharged her. The soldier, Byun Hui-su, says she will take her claim "until the end, to the Supreme Court". (Reuters) Politics and elections Impeachment trial of Donald Trump The United States Senate hears opening statements in the impeachment trial of Donald Trump. (The Washington Post) (The Washington Post via dpaste) (The Washington Post via archive.ph) Paraguayan President Mario Abdo Benítez is confirmed to have dengue fever amid a nationwide pandemic. (Reuters) Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio resigns as leader of the ruling Five Star Movement, as polls show the party losing support ahead of a regional election in Emilia-Romagna next Sunday. (BBC News) Brexit The European Union Withdrawal Agreement Bill passes the House of Lords and is now awaiting royal assent to become law, finalizing the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union on 31 January 2020. (BBC News) Science and technology The Seattle metropolitan area becomes the first place in the United States to allow vote by smartphone, which they authorized for a board of supervisors election in King County, Washington on February 11. (NPR) Sports The NFL's Oakland Raiders officially relocate to Las Vegas, and are now known as the Las Vegas Raiders. (Business Insider) (USA Today)

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(Closed) RD: John Karlen

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Article: John Karlen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by skteosk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor. Article in need of citations. Skteosk (talk) 09:01, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per nom, Theatre, TV & Films sections all unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Ongoing removal: Citizenship Amendment Act protests

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Article: Citizenship Amendment Act protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last protests (this is an article about protests) were on January 17th with around 10k people. Since then it's been legislative wrangling and petitions. Time to come down. LaserLegs (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support removal - it's still in the news but it's ceased to be very prominent. I'm sure India remains captivated by it (and people are welcome to cite the well-known "please do not" statement above), but the rest of the world appears to have moved on. Banedon (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose Removal. Tens of thousands (e.g. 300,000 on 21 Jan) of people are protesting regularly in several cities [2] [3] and today it is all over the international news due to the court cases. [4] filed by protesters and violence [5] The article is getting regular updates. I note, LaserLegs has nominated this removal a second time and without good reasons again. DBigXrayᗙ 23:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

  The "updates" you mentioned aren't in the article, which is where they need to be to stay in the box. If you have commentary on me or my intentions, take it to WP:ANI --LaserLegs (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

  Here is the diff of almost 43 KB of updates in the last one week, and they appear very much in the article to me. Are you sure you are talking of the same article titled "Citizenship Amendment Act protests". --DBigXrayᗙ 02:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose removal at this time. Topic is still being covered, article is in sufficient condition and still getting daily updates on latest developments. Checks all of the boxes.--Jayron32 00:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

The latest developments in the article aren't "protests" it was a petition and lawsuits. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure what beef you have with this article, but you have now resorted to lies that are quite easy to prove. Here are a few major updates of past 1 week and clearly they are more than lawsuits and petitions. see below. --DBigXrayᗙ 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Summary of major updates in last 1 week

16 January Police in Chennai banned all protests in the city for a period of 15 days. 6 were detained by the police for protesting against CAA. 17 January The Punjab Legislative Assembly, that has the Indian National Congress in majority, passed a resolution against the Act and urged the Modi Government to avoid discrimination on the basis of religion through the new Act. The resolution was moved by Punjab minister for parliamentary affairs Brahm Mohindra of the Congress and was supported by the Aam Aadmi Party and the Lok Insaaf Party Inspired by the Shaheen Bagh protest, a massive anti-CAA-NRC-NPR protest started in Mumbai. Around 10,000 women gathered at the YMCA ground in Mumbai to protest in the evening. The protest was organised by a NGO named Mumbai Citizen Quorum. Around 500 women start a sit in protest at the Clock tower grounds in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh. 18 January Uttar Pradesh police cracked down on the CAA protesters near the Clock Tower in Lucknow 19 January In Delhi, hundreds of protesters joined a protest march holding lighted candles from Jamia University to Shaheen Bagh 20 January Several Labour MPs of the UK parliament discussed the concerns on the CAA, in a meeting organised by South Asia Solidarity Group (SASG) and Ambedkar International Mission (UK) in London. 21 January More than 300,000 people join an anti-CAA protest rally at Kalaburagi in Karnataka. In a unique way of protesting, more than a hundred women protesters at Khureji Khas in Delhi released 10,000 gas filled black coloured balloons with the message "No CAA NPR NRC". Police register cases against 160 women for violation of the ban on assembly and protesting against CAA in Lucknow. Despite ban on assembly, Home Minister Amit Shah addresses a pro CAA public rally at Lucknow. 22 January Thousands of students from 9 universities in North-East India boycott classes and join protest march in the states of Assam, Nagaland, Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh. A 5 kilometer long procession against CAA was led by CM Mamta Bannerjee in Darjeeling, West Bengal. Women continue sit in protests at the Haj House near Kadru Over Bridge in Ranchi, Jharkhand enters third day. 144 CAA related petitions scheduled for hearing in the Supreme Court of India were brought up. --DBigXrayᗙ 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

My "beef" with the article is that it is stale, none of the pertinent recent updates you mentioned existed when I nominated the article for removal, instead you added them [6] [7] [8] [9] then you call me a liar. Tell you what, I'll take it to WP:ANI in the morning. Cheers. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

LaserLegs, The version you linked contains 7 updates that are common with what I wrote above. How does 7 equals "none" ? On ANI threats, sure and looking at your past experiences with ANI, due to your ITN behaviour I would advice caution on the WP:BOOMERANG. DBigXrayᗙ 02:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Remove I think we've lost sight of the purpose of ongoing with these perma-posts. We should consider both the duration on the main page and the relevance of recent events. 10K people at a protest is a Tuesday in many places around the globe. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by "is a Tuesday"? Banedon (talk) 03:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

= "is routine." Very large protests have become extremely common in the last few years. I would speculate that protests of >10K people occur in multiple places every day. 159.53.174.143 (talk) 13:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose the removal, the event is still ongoing and the news are still covering the event e.g. [10][11][12]--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 02:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

First link is about a court ruling, not protests. Second and third links are analysis, not "new, pertinent information" as stipulated Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section. Thanks for proving my point. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Remove per nomination. Intensity of the protests is decreased and of course, relevance too. These protests have trivial mentions in the news right now compared to last month.-- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 03:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

As updated here more than 300,000 people joined in a rally on 21 Jan. I would not rush to call that reduced intensity or relevance. --DBigXrayᗙ 03:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Sorry for late reply, "....not prominent....rest of the world appears to have moved on..."- POV..on what basis. People in New Zealand day before yesterday protesting and lawmakers also participated, online campaign going on. We are talking about in the news, not how many people visiting. By the way daily article page views showing its more than 20,000. Dey subrata (talk) 03:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose because follwoing the recent hearing on 22nd January, 2020 from the SC on this bill, there has been new developments on the protests across India. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 09:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment At the risk of this becoming an ad hominem argument... @LaserLegs: Please explain your continuous effort to remove items from the Ongoing tab on ITN. This seems like something you have made a pet project for a while now, and most of the time, consensus is fiercely against you, as it is here.--WaltCip (talk) 15:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

@WaltCip: we can discuss this at WT:ITN, at my talk page, or at WP:ANI if you think I'm not behaving appropriately -- I don't think this is the right venue. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#ITN_Ongoing_removal_nominations_by_LaserLegs as requested.DBigXrayᗙ 15:26, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose This is still making a huge ongoing forever impact in Indian politics and the economy. It would continue for unforeseen future until the Indian government withdraw from legalising the citizenship act. Abishe (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support removal. Per nom and Banedon. Very similar situation to the Hong Kong protests, which are also still continuing. Spencer^T•C 21:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• support removal - It doesn't appear to be any more aggressive/notable than other protests that happen all the time. It's at a low intensity and days can go by without the article gaining an update. The protests in places such as USA, France and Hong Kong can achieve greater scale and intensity without being posted online. At least the Lebanon one is high intensity and has had far reaching consequences for the Lebanese people (including the resignation and replacement of its government) whereas the Indian one seems to be a few small protests in a country of a billion people. When the protests reach the intensity of the ones in Hong Kong and France, then it can be re-posted to Ongoing. Tsukide (talk) 07:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - I will add that there are several protests around the world of similar intensity, some of which have had further-reaching consequences such as the protests in Iran and Iraq, but that they don't get posted to the front page. The protests in places such as Latin America, France and Hong Kong tend to be of higher intensity. The small scale and low intensity of the protests which can easily mimic the anti-Trump protests that are always happening, especially in a country of over a billion people, means that the protests are not severe enough for the front page. Tsukide (talk) 07:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

  Tsukide, If you think something deserves to get posted, feel free to nominate it so that community can discus and get it posted, instead of using unposted events as an excuse to pull things down. DBigXrayᗙ 07:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm using them as comparisons as to why the these protests should not be on the front page in their current form. Tsukide (talk) 09:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

The updates have been ongoing. CAA protests garnered 900,000 views in the last 30 days, (30K avg everyday) while Lebanese protests got 23,000 views in the last 30 days. So this also gives an idea of the relevance of these protests. DBigXrayᗙ 19:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support removal similar to other ongoing protests at Category:Ongoing protests. 2401:4900:2180:4295:8D0F:80D2:51D3:EB62 (talk) 06:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment For those who opposed and support ongoing removal, Indian CAA protests now added at

Current Events sidebar in section Ongoing protest. I added it in order to participate if this article was removed from Ongoing items, same as Hong Kong protest, Australian bushfires, or even Wuhan coronavirus outbreak as it happened today. I also planned to add Shaheen Bagh protests to Ongoing events sidebar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 21:12, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted to RD) RD or blurb: Terry Jones

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Article: Terry Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Monty Python actor Terry Jones (pictured) dies aged 77. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: There are couple of gaps that need sourcing, but will work on these now. (Addendum: I would also support the addition of a blurb for this: he's a member of one of the world's best known comedy troupes) SchroCat (talk) 12:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb - A prime example of a comedian and writer who was absolute tops in his business. Definitely on the same level as other blurbed persons we have posted.--WaltCip (talk) 13:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD only Neither the manner of his death nor the events surrounding it need special explanation; as a result there's nothing to say in a blurb other than "he died". Such types of death are what RD was created for. --Jayron32 13:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

A person need not die in an unusual manner in order to be blurbed.--WaltCip (talk) 13:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

The guidance listed at Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths#Blurb? tends to disagree with that, it notes "In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." Several people, yourself among them, have asserted this is an exception to that rule, but have provided no evidence this merits an exception. That is, where can I read in sources outside of Wikipedia that his death is of such significance that it merits a blurb? Anyone can assert anything. It just requires one to type things. The real kicker is how can one show evidence that ones assertion is valid as supported by reliable sources. I've looked, I'm not seeing the sort of reliable sources coverage to indicate this merits a blurb. --Jayron32 13:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Your second comment is well-stated and valid; I'm wondering why it was not your first. It would simplify matters if editors commented on the obvious criterion for which the blurb is being suggested, rather than oppose an argument that no one is making. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I only made one point: We should follow the guidance based on existing standards already and long since written down, unless people can provide clear evidence that an exception should be made. Normal operating procedure is to post deaths to RD, and where we post a blurb instead, there are criteria for that. My objections directly address the reasons people are giving for posting this as a blurb, which is that Jones somehow counts as an exception to the standard " if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link. If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." which I quote a second time. People have asserted his career is itself meritorious of a blurb. I have merely noted that such assertions should carry little to no weight without evidence that sources outside of Wikipedia are treating it with a similarly elevated level of attention over the normal obituary cycle. No one, has yet, provided such evidence. --Jayron32 15:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Standards can change. Consensus can change. If the standards do not agree with the process that we have been undertaking for the past two years or so, that does not inherently mean all of those past actions were mistakes. It could mean that the standards that we came up with years ago no longer reflect the editorial consensus on ITN/C. I am arguing from the standpoint of overall notability, recognition, and how news sources have responded to Terry Jones's passing. Several notable people also in Jones's field have spoken out on social media, as per the BBC article. It would not surprise me if there were further news coverage even after today.--WaltCip (talk) 16:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Dozens of dead celebrities have been eulogized by their peers and inspirees on Twitter this year, with quite a few mentioned even one day later in the news. That's a low bar to crawl over. Keep the higher standard, I say. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb per WaltCip. Blurb added. Mjroots (talk) 13:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb per WaltCip. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC) - Having said that: minor improvements are still wanted, example ref 26, which is a bare url, and positioned after "Medieval" about which it says nothing, while it would rather support "Barberians" which has no ref at all. - The image - sorry - is awful, at least in that size, looking as if a hand grew at a strange place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Lead image has recently changed. to Spanish Inquisition character Cardinal Biggles, but not many close-ups to choose from. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: The image really needs to be of TJ as himself, rather than playing a character. That said, there is a better one, so I swapped the image in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 14:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the swap, but it's not a great image, so perhaps blurb but no image. If we need to show this one, it might be cropped bottem and right, to have his face more in the centre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

This might upset the purists, but how about a crop of this image? It shows him performing the "Spanish Inquisition" scene, and would be a good way to pay tribute to his comedic genius!  — Amakuru (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Hell yes Well what you got? Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and blurb; egg bacon and blurb; egg bacon sausage and blurb; blurb bacon sausage and blurb; blurb egg blurb blurb bacon and blurb; blurb sausage blurb blurb bacon blurb tomato and blurb; blurb blurb blurb egg and blurb; blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb blurb baked beans blurb blurb blurb or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and blurb. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Eughhh! Have you got anything without blurb in it? I don't want any blurb.--WaltCip (talk) 14:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, there's egg, bacon and blurb, that hasn't got much blurb in it, Mjroots (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

At least on this nomination, I think we can afford a bit of Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam....--- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Ritchie333, Please unbold the comment.DBigXrayᗙ 14:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support RD only per User:Jayron32. I know he is a popular actor and have seen Monty Python films. The subject lacks major awards that UK confers. I am not convinced that a blurb is merited here. DBigXrayᗙ 14:20, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted to RD. Blurb discussions may continue — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

  @MSGJ: Is there a reason you moved the blurb criteria to an information page off the main ITN criteria? As says the legend, info pages are not policy and not vetted, where I believe the blurb criteria is. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb not Mandela or Thatcher --LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

No, but he's Terry Jones.--WaltCip (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Nor were Prince or Carrie Fisher, but there we go. Black Kite (talk) 14:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

It should be noted that we are not required to repeat past mistakes forever. If something had been done in the past that should not have been, it doesn't mean we must continue to do the wrong thing forever. At any point, we must make our decisions on what is the right thing to do, not on what we may or may not have done before (each of which in retrospect may be judged as having been a bad idea). --Jayron32 15:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, Prince's death was a complete surprise (rather than old age), and was a top recording artist in his field. Fisher is the type of blurb case we want to avoid. --Masem (t) 16:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb The crowd here skews both nerd and British, so I think we may be overstating his importance. The Pythons are big, but does each get a blurb? GreatCaesarsGhost 14:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

We have a Wikiproject WP:WPSPAM. We have a content guideline about WP:SPAM. Who is a key person who caused the word "spam" to mean other things than food? Terry Jones. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb - on balance, yes I think so. I had a "wow moment" when I saw the news, and it's front page on the websites of the New York Times and Le Monde, so is a global story already. I would also support WP:IAR (if there is any rule on this) and use a crop of the Spanish Inquisition photo, as mentioned above, as it is a fitting tribute to him.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't expect a picture of the Spanish Inquisition! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Nobody expected it :O Tone 14:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Amakuru, then I hope you are going to invoke this WP:IAR for every artist across the world. If you aren't going to do that then your acts are actually reinforcing the opinion that the ITN is biased in favour of American and British personalities. --DBigXrayᗙ 16:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

  @DBigXray: my mention of IAR was related to the choice of image, not the decision as to whether to blurb or not. As for ITN being biased in favour of American/British personalities, that's not actually the case. It's actually biased in favour of things that are in the news. And that people want to read our articles about because they're in the news.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, then I stand corrected. I got an impression that you are using IAR for the blurb. Which news ? The British and American news sites will obviously give a disproportionate coverage for their domestic audience, passing the buck wont help reducing the bias. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. Popular and influential, but not at the level of global importance at which we should be setting a blurb. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb Yes, I think so. You can usually tell by the amount and level of reaction to a death and I believe this clears the bar. Black Kite (talk) 14:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - I may be a huge MP fan, but we have to recognize that few of the individual members had a significant impact "top of the field" contributions for entertainment beyond Python (Cleese and Gilliam, they are different stories). His health issues were documented so this death was not a surprise, either. We want to avoid the fan-driven impulse to post this like what happened with Carrie Fisher. RD is fine enough. --Masem (t) 14:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. Much as I enjoyed his work, he died of dementia in old age, and the reaction to his death has not been a major news story in itself. Very sad, but exactly what RD is for. Modest Genius ^talk 15:14, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb - I definitely think this passes the bar for a Blurb mention. Has received massive amount of attention.BabbaQ (talk) 15:22, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Fond of the man's work as I am, I don't see why this is blurbworthy. He was old, it was well known he was gravely ill, and he's not as well-known outside of Python as Cleese/Gilliam/Idle, which limits his influence. (Not dismissing his comedic skills, more than Python as a whole deserves some group credit.) Nohomersryan (talk) 16:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb as per statement of WaltCip Joseywales1961 (talk) 16:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb per WaltCip --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Look, I love Monty Python as much as the next person, but this is not a blurb worthy death. It strikes me as systemic bias at its core to think of one in this case. He was not a Bowie / Mandela / Thatcher type, and his death wasn't as shocking as Prince or Carrie Fisher. I don't see the level of tributes coming out for TJ as did for those deaths, which is what made those blurb worthy. RD is fine here. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Yup - I've seen comments from the other living Pythons and some other significant writers, but this is not "shocking" the world that we'd normally post blurbs on. The battle with dementia made his death a matter of when, not if, and everyone had been ready for it. --Masem (t) 17:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb agreed that he was a comedic genius and a step above a lot of the people on RD, but still not former U.S. President/British PM tier. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Blurb please As someone not of the US, the UK or the Commonwealth, I'd say that a Python deserves a blurb. As to the actual blurb, I think Jones' legacy other than being "one of the pythons" would be being credited as director in two of the greatest comedy films of all time. Be best if "director" could be inserted somewhere. Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb It's a common name and so a blurb would provide some helpful context for the reader. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb it's there if I look for it, but other topics are dominating the headlines. Banedon (talk) 23:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• No blurb The proposal is a shorter version of his existing line at Deaths in 2020, and his bio's opening sentence. Clearly cooler than Thatcher, Franklin or Prince, but that's irrelevant. Slightly complicated stories are what matter here. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb RD is fine for a not-unexpected death from natural causes. P-K3 (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – beloved comedian, yes, but not top of his field as far as I can tell. His death was also long expected. Falls short of the importance for a blurb, imo. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – Regardless of intense cult following, Terry Jones isn't a generally significant household name, IMHO. – Sca (talk) 01:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb -- Not a household name. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb - per the above opposes. Carcharoth (talk) 12:36, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 21

Portal:Current events/2020 January 21

January 21, 2020 (2020-01-21) (Tuesday) Arts and culture The United Kingdom and United States governments announce they have agreed to protect the wreckage of the RMS Titanic. The agreement, signed by the British government in 2003, has come into effect after being ratified by U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. An official also says the UK will work with Canada and France to bring "even more protection" to the wreckage. (BBC News) Rock musician Ozzy Osbourne announces that he has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. (ABC News) Business and economy Gold Fields Ltd, a South African mining company, has hired an investment bank, RBC Capital Markets, to help it sell 30% of its gold project in northern Chile. (Reuters) Boeing 737 MAX groundings After having announced it the previous month, Boeing temporarily stops production of the new 737 MAX planes. Already produced ones will remain grounded an additional month until June or July. (CNN) (NPR) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, COVID-19 pandemic in Washington (state) The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announces the first U.S. case of novel coronavirus in Snohomish County, Washington. (The Washington Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Taiwan The Centers for Disease Control for Taiwan announces that the first case of novel coronavirus was identified at Taoyuan International Airport. (The Wall Street Journal) North Korea reportedly bans foreign tourists and closes the China–North Korea border to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus. (Al Jazeera) International relations Ukraine–United Kingdom relations Ukraine demands the United Kingdom's National Counter Terrorism Policing Network remove the country's Tryzub coat of arms from a guide on hate symbols associated with white supremacy and Neo-Nazism. Counter Terrorism Policing says the coat of arms was included due to its use by National Action, a proscribed far-right terror group. (BBC News) Law and crime Two judicial sources announce that the trial of seven Cameroonian soldiers has begun for the killing of two women and two children in July 2018, in a case that sparked international outcry. Six of the soldiers admit to the charges, but say they were given the order to open fire. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 Labour Party leadership election Birmingham Yardley MP Jess Phillips drops out of the UK Labour Party leadership race. (BBC News) 2019–20 Lebanese protests Lebanon forms a new government with former American University of Beirut professor Hassan Diab as its Prime Minister, ending a three-month deadlock. Protestors subsequently march on Parliament to protest the new government. (Al Jazeera) The 2020 United States census begins, with Census Bureau director Steven Dillingham visiting Toksook Bay, Alaska, to meet with indigenous leaders and distribute census materials to residents. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Morgan Wootten

Article: Morgan Wootten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DjTj81 (talk · give credit) and Bagumba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The greatest high school coach in the USA. Added refs to coaching record but some parts there need refs. ミラP 01:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support I expanded the lead. Good to go.—Bagumba (talk) 11:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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