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* '''Support''' – When dully updated with Warsaw arrival. No. 1 story worldwide today. Great political significance. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])
* '''Support''' – When dully updated with Warsaw arrival. No. 1 story worldwide today. Great political significance. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])
*:''PS:'' IMO, it would be best not to complicate this spot news by combining the item with stories about other Beloarussian [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refusenik#English refusenik] athletes. She was first. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
*:''PS:'' IMO, it would be best not to complicate this spot news by combining the item with stories about other Beloarussian [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refusenik#English refusenik] athletes. She was first. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – <font color="darkred">''Dziękuję, Polska!''</font color="darkred"> — [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


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August 4

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(Posted) 400m hurdles world record, update

Article: Sydney McLaughlin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New world records are set in men's and women's 400 metres hurdles by Norwegian Karsten Warholm and American Sydney McLaughlin. (Post)
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Wow, since Kevin is fundamentally against people doing the almost-certain at ITN and making a header clearer, proposing a better alt, on something he nominated, let's go for a decent blurb here.
Now, as noted below, this wasn't a particularly impressive record break, but on the other hand, it's 2 for 2 on 400m hurdles records. Kingsif (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Posted by adding to the existing blurb. I will repeat what I said in my edit summary - this entire blurb is somewhat arbitrarily (and perhaps unfairly) putting a spotlight on athletics and ignoring the other world records in other sports, so I question the entire approach of putting Olympic world records in this ITN box. - Fuzheado | Talk 18:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Milavče train collision

Article: Milavče train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Three people are killed when two trains crash head-on at Milavče, Czech Republic (Post)
News source(s): (BBC)
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Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 12:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait Stub article that also somewhat contradicts itself: it suggests there is a definite cause for the collision, but also that an investigation has just been opened. We should wait for it be clear which of those is true (do they know why, or are they looking into it?) RS should hopefully clarify with a few more hours. Kingsif (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless there's a criminal investigation, this isn't notable enough to be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) More world records

Otherwise covered by Fuzheado's posting of combined blurb above. Redundant, limited, discussion. (non-admin closure) Kingsif (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Though I still think it is fundamentally wrong to put athletics records and ignore others

Article: Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Olympic athletics, Venezuelan Yulimar Rojas breaks a 26-year-old world record in the women's triple jump, and Norwegian Karsten Warholm and American Sydney McLaughlin set world records in the men's and women's 400 metre hurdles respectively. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, Guardian, [1] SI[2][3]
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Very similar levels of hype to those in response to Warholm's run; if that really is the way we are going (promoting one sport's records to ITN, totally disregarding historical achievements in others), then it seems only consistent to do this as well. Kevin McE (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/suggestion: Can we have a cap on the number of these new records in the same blurb at the same time, please? Perhaps the most recent three? Just to avoid putting up bloated bullet-points on ITN. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment May I suggest bumping Rojas out (back to individual blurb?) and having the 400m hurdlers in the same blurb. Kingsif (talk) 13:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree that it's better to combine the world records in 400 m hurdles in one blurb and keep Rojas in a separate one. We should also consider a new montage of Warholm's and McLaughlin's photos.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kevin McE Users unrelated to the nominator are allowed to propose alt blurbs; nominations are not the property of the nominator and unalterable by others, and adding an alt blurb does not suggest support by the nominator. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How then can it be allowed to appear without accreditation or being marked as distinct from my proposal in a section that has my name, and my name alone, attached to it? Kevin McE (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Users have proposed alt blurbs on the nominations of others for years and this is the first objection I've seen to it. Often discussions lead to such things and it is assumed that alt blurbs were not necessarily written by the nominator. My suggestion, if you are concerned that others will interpret the addition of an alt blurb as your suggestion, is that you make a statement saying that you do not support any suggested alt blurbs. Perhaps the nomination template can be tinkered with as well. 331dot (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Simple: it's not your proposal. The nominator's name is only there to give credit for bringing attention to the item, which is what gets the bulk of pure !votes, with blurb wording always open to improvement, sometimes (often) even changed by the posting admin without discussion at all. Kingsif (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Patent nonsense, a proposal made by me, in my name, is my proposal. Why the incredibly rude tone from you on this page? Kevin McE (talk) 16:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true, and I've not been rude. ITN isn't a series of mini-autocracies, and I have merely tried to elucidate that. Wordily and firm, probably. You're making incorrect generalizations of a process you evidently don't understand and now are trying to "win" by saying I'm not nice to you. It's embarrassing. Kingsif (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems that this new record was set WITH the "super spikes" that are reportedly a 1-1.5% bump over the old ones. Since this new decrease of .44 sec is by less than 1% of the old record (compared to the 1.6% for the men's one) and it is done WITH the new technology, this is definitely significantly less notable. The magnitude of the men's hurdles one was the notability there, and the long-jump one was the age of the record, neither of which apply in this case. Had this record been set outside of a competition with many records, this should have been posted, but can be skipped now. Alternatively, can add the records article to the ongoing link on the bottom of ITN (alongside medal table one). 188.27.36.191 (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to suggest that for the purposes of the rest of the games that we do not try to suggest more WRs, and instead add a link to World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics in the ongoing line (eg "Olympics (medal table, world records)") That article seems to be reasonable sourced and in good shape. That will avoid this issue of us not featuring every WR set. --Masem (t) 13:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And removing those already there? And acknowledge that sports other than athletics exist? Radical: I like it. Kevin McE (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should think about posting a box with links to multiple articles about the Olympics as we did for the COVID-19 pandemic last year. It's clear that the Summer Olympics are the main ongoing event in the world and the ongoing section cannot properly accommodate multiple links.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The box for COVID was more as a attention-getting highlight because of its severity and that we felt the need that we wanted to do something to alert the readers of a global issue. Olympics is not of that severity, but we can add extra links to what are likely articles of high interest, which I agree include the medal table and WRs. I would propose a similar approach for any other ongoing where there is a subpage or two that would be a reasonable target article associated with the main ongoing event where that information isn't on the target page (eg when World Cup comes round, the tourney bracket structure if its not on the Cup's main page could be a possible target like this). --Masem (t) 14:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I came here to propose exactly what Masem just suggested. --LukeSurl t c 14:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't that a suggestion at ITN talk, and completely shot down? Kingsif (talk) 14:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There was a suggestion to have sports icons alongside the Olympics to point to every single major event. That was shot down. But having a couple side links is completely reasonable given that we already have one (the medal table). --Masem (t) 14:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, well, I'm sure that would be a separate ongoing nom. Kingsif (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose and, frankly, suggest close. Massively overloaded blurb, and the nominator has made it very clear that t(his) nom is for that blurb wording alone, rather than for the item (i.e. event, i.e. bold article) - which ITN noms are supposed to be. I suggest Kevin, who also stuck this nom outside the date template until I fixed it, actually learn the ITN rules before trying it again. The rules which also say that items have to be nommed to get posted, so nobody is actively saying swimming and cycling can't be posted and he should stop whining about it. Kingsif (talk) 14:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Ongoing: 2020 Olympics

Article: 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Its now out of ITN, and I think it should be listed in some way. My proposal would be 2020 Summer Olympics (medal table). I agree with the criticism of the Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics article on this page, but linking to the medal table seems reasonable. Something similar should probably be standard procedure for future games, once the opening ceremony is no longer the top ITN item. jonas (talk) 17:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose quite conflicted here, as I appreciate the epic troll y'all are running on Rambling Man. But we shouldn't burn the whole project to the ground to do it. Just make fun of Thatcher or something. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion that article should be added to Ongoing as well, along with the Medal table with the 2020 Summer Olympics as the main article. This is the biggest Sporting event in the world. So having three articles at Ongoing for a few more days would make sense. BabbaQ (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) World records

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 03:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New world records are established in weightlifting, cycling, swimming, rowing, shooting and athletics at the Olympic Games in Tokyo. (Post)
Nominator's comments: There have been world records established in many sports, not just one. Kevin McE (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose lots of the cycling records are unreferenced. The article lacks a suitable introduction. Also, is the intention to extend this if records are beaten in other disciplines, to the point where it becomes the only news story in the ITN template? Also, rowing (for example) lists them as "world best" not "world records", this nuance doesn't come across in the blurb, so it's misleading. Either these are world records or they're not. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The official weightlifting records are all from 2018+, pre-2018.5 records became historical interest-only with a weight class rearrangement. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about rowing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lengthen the blurb some more with World records are set in weightlifting, cycling, swimming, shooting and athletics at the Tokyo Olympics, along with world bests in rowing.? Why not alphabetical order? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's not really news that new world records are set during Summer Olympics because that always happens. The real news is when a world record is broken after a long period of time or by a significant margin.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
People always die and elections always have results too. Kevin McE (talk) 20:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So we no longer need RD because we can post a blurb that links to deaths in 2021 as a target article. Don't we?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, as long as we can still argue there aren't enough sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't be surprised if a nomination with a proposed blurb "Sportspeople win medals at the 2020 Summer Olympics." arrives. And all such nominations come as a result of the reluctance to post the Olympics to ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Sportspeople win medals at a big event". A lot simpler, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, take a break now Martin, maybe a week or two. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted, Closed) 400m hurdles world record

Also closing this, based on further developments being covered - and blurb updated - in nom(s) above. Any blurb discussions can be had there, and WR ongoing and pull requests should get their own new noms. Kingsif (talk) 19:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Articles: Karsten Warholm (talk · history · tag) and Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In athletics, Karsten Warholm sets a new world record in men's 400 meter hurdles (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics, Yulimar Rojas breaks a 26-year-old world record in the women's triple jump and Karsten Warholm sets a new world record in men's 400 metres hurdles (both pictured).
Alternative blurb II: ​ In athletics, Norwegian Karsten Warholm sets a new world record in men's 400 meter hurdles
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, Guardian, [4] SI
Article updated
Nominator's comments: New outlets use "smashes" "decimates" "pulverizes" "destroys" "crushes" "blazing" to describe the new achievement. This record is 0.76 sec faster than the previous 46 second one, some 1.6% improvement -- equivalent to 0.15 sec improvement to Bolt's 100m dash. The silver medal guy also smashed the previous record. A month ago same guy broke the 29-year old record, but I don't recall that being posted. Should be able to merge this into the existing athletics WR blurb which was "only" a 1% improvement. 2A02:2F0E:D519:8B00:B55E:38C2:4BD5:B678 (talk) 07:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd support merging the two athletics world records, it even gives us the opportunity to have a direct link to the Olympics in the blurb. --Tone 08:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support simply because this is perhaps one of the most outstanding results in the history of athletics. It's extremely rare to see a race in which the first two athletes have run way better than the world record and 0.76 seconds in 400 m is really a huge margin.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment agree with support rationale above. Just noting a few of the results in the table are unsourced (but happy to try and find some). Also not sure if this would get subsumed by the proposed "on-going" nomination (if that succeeds). Martinevans123 (talk) 08:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - we've already set a precedent by posting the triple jump, although I still think this is ridiculously unfair on the swimmers who set world records and weren't posted. So probably, as Tone says, let's fold this in to the triple jump story. And preferably add the swimming records too. That said, I don't think this is as surprising as the margin or the hyperbole above would suggest. Of course, the athletes today are strong, but comparing their times to those of the past is apples to oranges, as a result of changes in the spikes used on their boots.[5]  — Amakuru (talk) 08:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it's an event that has history, like BMX (X-games), then that could get posted posted. New to Olympics doesn't matter, right? But setting a record in a new event shouldn't. I think I heard that the new triathlon event has been trialled before, but I don't know if that time was used to set the record? Kingsif (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is like claiming that not posting every death in RD is saying some people were more important than others when, simply, nobody nominated RDs that would have been posted. If you want to see every new record posted, it's on you to nominate them all. Of course, some record breaks are seen as more newsworthy (i.e. actually ITN) than others: long-held records, those broken by a big margin, and those in sports like track and field which are contested by people from lots of countries, are generally in the news much more than someone taking 0.001 second off their own record in a sport only their nation cares about. Kingsif (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as this world record is newsworthy. If you feel other world records being set are also newsworthy, feel free to nominate those, but don't oppose this one for that reason.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and agree with the sentiments above that this is an "overhaul"-standard record-breaking effort. Much like those others which we've posted lately. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this appears to have significant consensus to post, I marked it a while back but no willing admin yet. Suggest this is dealt with expediently and then we'll see what happens with the plethora of other Olympic nominations, premature or otherwise. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kevin McE. It's the Olympic Games, didn't you all expect the world records to be broken? In the end, that this happens has a lesser impact on society than the personal one of the achiever. If we don't even have the Olympics ongoing, it's nonsense that we have to put on the Main Page every single record that is broken. It's not pragmatic, neither a Sports page. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody (other than Kevin) is suggesting we link to every record broken. Just those which are significantly broken, whether that be by a notable margin or from a notable period of time. We don't have to put on the Main Page every single record that is broken, self-evidently that hasn't happened. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You severely overestimate how many world records are broken at the Olympics, they're not gold medals. There's probably an article somewhere comparing world records and Olympic records. If you want to oppose with the argument that breaking a world record is something that is "just personal for the achiever", well, should no awards ever be posted? There's a lot of ITN/R gone... Kingsif (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the blurb that is proposed currently. The most notable and important thing about this event is that both the gold and silver medallist set a time that was quicker than the existing world record. This a very rare occurence and that is what the blurb should deal with.Tvx1 17:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That makes this world record more outstanding but I disagree that a blurb should mention it. The second fastest time, albeit significantly better than the previous world record, is not a world record itself. I prefer including the exact margin in the blurb instead of this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don’t care about the individual merits of the second time. It’s about the event as whole. If you want to highlight this sport event in the in the news section, than it needs to convey the key elements why it is notable. And both the winner and the runner-up setting a time quicker than the existing world record is a key element of this event.Tvx1 19:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand your point but the news is the world record and that's what should be included in the blurb. The results of the other athletes, including the time of the runner-up and the total of six national records set, should find their place in the race summary, which is indeed the case because the summary is very well written and captures all relevant details about the race.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The nom isn't for "400 m hurdles event". And even if it were, a blurb cannot mention every notable aspect of the event. Compare it to awards ceremonies: merely happening is deemed blurbworthy, and by tradition our blurbs mention the top result, even if something interesting happened in a different part. Kingsif (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I don’t care about the unique merits of the other athletes. I’m referring to the combined achievement of the first two. It’s that unique achievement which is actually in the news. It’s not some detail and did not happen in a different part of the race. It’s the most important event of it.Tvx1 10:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - Changing my stance to strong support. This is indeed an "overhaul"-standard record-breaking effort. BabbaQ (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would be ok with merging it into the triple jump story, but oppose a separate blurb, as with the Olympics looking set to be added to Ongoing as well, that's enough representation of the games on ITN I think. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment still confused as to why this hasn't been posted. It has community consensus to do so. Are admins now making personal choices on what to promote, based on the fact that a newer item has been posted since this was ready to go? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We have the Olympics Ongoing handle now to cover all the twists and turns. Pull the triple jump too. As Kevin McE says (and I said below) there are numerous records being set, and we shouldn't editorialise which ones we post.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We literally "editorialize" everything we post. Why one plane crash and not another? Why one death and not another? Are they all nommed, and after the nom, it's a democracy, people vote. If they vote for one record and not another with sensible reasoning, so be it. If this is in the news and not another record, all the more reason to "editorialize", a word you're incorrectly using in place of "fulfilling the ITN goals". Kingsif (talk) 22:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Oppose withdrawn. Support double blurb though.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Ongoing: 2021 Taliban offensive

Article: 2021 Taliban offensive (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Ongoing, look to capture major cities. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: George Forss

Article: George Forss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (August 2); died on July 17. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics

Another article has been selected for this ongoing event. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Nominating to continue the bureaucratically closed discussion from below. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I opened this because I felt the discussion below was closed prematurely; there is clearly a desire to post something. It doesn't have to be this, there's good reasons to not post this as it is now; an IP user made a suggestion above. But we are missing the boat here and should do something. 331dot (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect. The discussion below had served its purpose to remove a sub-standard article without consensus from the main page. You then prematurely re-opened this nomination with the same article in the same sub-standard condition. "Do something" == fix the poor state of the article you have nominated, and feel free to do that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments. 331dot (talk) 08:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose putting the chronological summary as Ongoing, both per above qualify concerns, and also because it's the wrong article to be showcasing. As evidenced by page view statistics,[7] the page that readers are seeking is the main Olympics page, not a poorly structured data dump which receives 50 times fewer hits than its parent. Currently, 2020 Summer Olympics has some orange tags and has not been fully updated with latest info, but I wouldn't be opposed in principle to posting that one to ongoing if someone sorts it out. Not the chronological summary though.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can read for yourself. I'm still waiting for an answer to the question "what aspect of the article is receiving updates that complies with the basic requirement of "Ongoing""? I guess if we're now down to just the medal table, this will impact future "ongoing" nominations where just a "number of deaths" (for example) will need to be updated to keep something in there. If that's what the consensus agrees, fine by me, meanwhile I still oppose this nomination (as a woefully under-referenced article is being knowingly proposed) and the alt-"nomination" (which has practically zero updates being applied). Now feel free to find something else to do. Thanks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am saying the following without any prejudice to quality concerns, but I am under the impression that if the opening ceremony has occurred and the closing ceremony hasn't concluded yet, then the Olympics are considered "ongoing" and therefore common sense prevails there. Therefore, the article for the 2020 Summer Olympics is sufficient for ongoing during its occurrence after the opening ceremony rolls off. This should have been a precedent for at least 15 years now, sheesh. We're doing the same thing with the COVID pandemic article, albeit indefinitely. At least the Olympics is a two week span. So its obviously ongoing and is a major news spectacle. DrewieStewie (talk) 16:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay that's fine. The only question is, what aspects of the article (beyond the medal table) are being updated as the event progresses, or do we not need to do that for this one special event? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man, I think the real thing regarding the olympics is that unlike other “ongoing” candidates, it’s a recurring sports item that lasts two weeks every 2 years and is international in scope. This poses unique circumstances as there aren’t any (at least to my knowledge) comparable events that end up on ongoing. It’s not like we do that for the World Series, Stanley Cup, or NBA Finals. So the Olympics is an outlier, and as it’s subject to consensus, my opinion is that for this one special event, the medal table being updated and it being within the dates is sufficient to signify ongoing. DrewieStewie (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, and thank you for being the first person here out of everyone (including the nominator!) to answer my question. If the community are happy with an updated medal table, and the unreferenced material can be referenced, then sure thing. We'll need another footnote at ITNR describing yet another exception for this edition of the Olympics of course, but that's easy enough. I don't believe that, given we have a "timeline" article which is being updated but not referenced, that we should just cop-out and post an article which provides almost literally no detail on the ongoing events, and will still oppose, but thanks for at least explaining the rationale behind your own support, I appreciate it. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    DrewieStewie what about Winter Olympic Games, FIFA World Cup, Euros, etc? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Martinevans123, I included the Winter Games in my argument (2 weeks every 2 years is inclusive of winter games). As for World Cup and Euros, I suppose they work too. It probably would be easier to gain consensus on a World Cup as that is global rather than continental, though the Euros shouldn’t have much trouble either. The olympics seemed to be a more sure bet given it’s scope and it being inclusive of various sports, but the futbol World Cup and euros should do too. I am not opposed to those either. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool beans. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It might be too late now (given 2020 Summer Olympics is being discussed), but I have added references for everything on Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics, so that article no longer has references problems. I don't have an opinion on which one of the two articles is the better main page candidate. — NormalPerson7 (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Very well done, NormalPerson7. A good outcome, even if nothing gets posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support great work NormalPerson7, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics

Error corrected. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chronological summary of the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
 The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This has been added with the "roll-off" of the opening ceremony but the discussion to include this as an "ongoing" item ended with opposition. If I missed the community consensus agreeing to adding this very poor article to the main page once the opening ceremony rolled off, could I be pointed to it please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed for the time being. Let's have a discussion instead whether we should have it or not. --Tone 18:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As noted, that will need to be a new "ongoing" nomination which will supersede (or concur with) the previous ongoing nomination where there was consensus directly against posting this subs-standard article. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a good idea. Looks like the ideal candidate. Perhaps people will help to improve it. Radical thought, I know. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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August 1

August 1, 2021 (2021-08-01) (Sunday)

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RD: Kazimierz Kowalski

Article: Kazimierz Kowalski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): polishnews.co.uk + many in Polish
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Polish opera and entertainment singer, manager of the Lodz Opera, radio and tv presenter, founder of a festival and a chamber opera, - and had no article until today. - Many more Polish sources in the Polish version, if someone has time. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Cotton

Article: Paul Cotton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WCMY; Ultimate Classic Rock; Legacy.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eddie Presland

Article: Eddie Presland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): West Ham United
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: West Ham football defender and Essex cricketer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Triple jump world record

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Article: Yulimar Rojas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In athletics, Yulimar Rojas sets a world record in triple jump at 15.67 m. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In athletics, Yulimar Rojas sets a world record in women's triple jump at 15.67 m.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In athletics, Yulimar Rojas sets a world record in women's triple jump at 15.67 m, taking gold in the event.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In athletics, Yulimar Rojas sets a world record in women's triple jump at 15.67 m, taking gold in the event.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In athletics, Yulimar Rojas breaks a 26-year old world record in women's triple jump
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, olympics.com, Eurosport
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Here we go, breaking of a world record that has stood since 1995. ITNR. There is also a dedicated event article, Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump, but I am not sure how to write a blurb with all the links and avoid easter eggs. Tone 18:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • And by Brits you mean Europeans. GDPR is a European law, and yes, sites are completely walled, only the url can tell you where you were supposed to go. Honestly, feel free to nominate those records, it wasn't sarcasm. Kingsif (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kingsif: Yes, I'm aware of how old it is - I watched Inessa Kravets set the previous world record in 1995. My personal view is that breaking a world record is not intrinsically more significant than winning a World or Olympic title, and we don't post those individually. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well then oppose on that basis, rather than saying triple jump records aren't notable. Though it would be a limited oppose given ITN's history of posting records. Kingsif (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I opposed those as well. And until it's ITN/R, they are discussed on a case-by-case basis. And as for the blurb itself, talk about burying the lead. It doesn't even mention the Olympic gold medal, which is what she came for.Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree we should consider Thompson's Olympic record, beating FloJo's 1988 record, as a ITN candidate. The 100m is the most famous (or one of the most famous) track and field and in general Olympic events. Wqwt (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support be consistent. Either these records are worth posting or not. There's no intrinsic difference between the one we posted a month or so ago, and this one. And this one was amazing to be fair. She beat a record which had stood for 26 years. But then, female ethnic athlete, whatever. Wikipedia continues to disappoint its regulars. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't think this is one of the marquee records that is followed by the public at large, like the 100m run record. This isn't top line news(and no sources are offered). 331dot (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Andrew suggested moving "all this to a single ongoing entry." I don't see what's "ongoing" about the triple jump record/ gold medal. And as far as I can see, neither do you. And please be careful not to describe other editor's contributions as pointless. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That she was born too late? – Sca (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Krystsina Tsimanouskaya / Belarusian athlete defections

Article: Krystsina Tsimanouskaya (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Belarusian sprinter Krystsina Tsimanouskaya declares that she was forcibly taken to Haneda Airport by the National Olympic Committee in order to deport her to Belarus. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Belarusian sprinter Krystsina Tsimanouskaya is granted a visa for Poland after attempts by the Belarus Olympic Committee to repatriate her against her will.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Belarusian sprinter Krystsina Tsimanouskaya is granted a humanitarian visa to remain in Japan after attempts by the Belarus Olympic Committee to repatriate her against her will.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Belarusian sprinter Krystsina Tsimanouskaya flies to Austria following a diplomatic stand-off with the Belarus Olympic Committee.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Three Belarusian athletes defect following a diplomatic incident involving sprinter Krystsina Tsimanouskaya and the Belarus Olympic Committee.
News source(s): Guardian/Reuters, ITV
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Article updated
  • Oppose. This isn't quite as brazen as forcing a passenger aircraft to land, and there is a plausible reason for this on each side. Maybe if more develops(such as Japanese police arresting someone). 331dot (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What "plausible reason" do you mean? This incident is the main topic on the websites of Reuters, BBC, DailyMail, France24 and dozens of others media outlets.--KastusK (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that both the athlete and the team have plausible explanations for this incident. 331dot (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, the team did not give an explanation for the deportation at all.--KastusK (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a deportation since Japan did not kick her out of the country. Abduction, maybe. Reuters: "The Belarusian Olympic Committee said in a statement that coaches had decided to withdraw Tsimanouskaya from the Games on doctors' advice about her "emotional, psychological state"." I'm not saying they are correct, but that is their answer. 331dot (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but this supposed "emotional, psychological state" only arose after she criticised Belarusian authorities on Instagram, "for entering her for the 4x400 relay despite her never previously racing the event." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Ms. Tsimanouskaya (Tee-man-oooss'-skee-yah -??) has been granted a "compassionate visa" by Poland, [9] [10] [11] which apparently amounts to provisional asylum status. This seems to make her case more interesting and significant. – Sca (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tim-an-off-ski-ya, I believe. Kingsif (talk) 14:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ціманоўская / Тимановская – Where does the 'F' come from? (Not that I'm any expert.) – Sca (talk) 15:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The thing that looks like a B in Cyrillic is an F. And that pseudo-U at the start is a T. The funny y is a semi-vowel, which I'm not sure how to attempt, they appear in Welsh but those accents are quite different. Kingsif (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Well, in Russian anyway a B is a V, as in Moskva (Москва) – Moscow to us. – Sca (talk)
Non-Belarussian diversion
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Eh?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
There are two vowels in Betws, but you'll probably only hear one. That's about all I know. Kingsif (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lol. If you go to Betws, I can assure you that you'll hear two. In fact you will at any of them, even this one! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
See now, I was just thinking of the common noun, (it was read from the day prayers in a church I visited (chapel, it seems). The w barely sounded voiced?) don't come here with your geography *gasp* Kingsif (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see, you meant 'betws. I only came here with geography in answer to a geographical example. *gasp* But I guess you mean Short U (Cyrillic), for the voiced labial–velar approximant /w/, which can occur in Welsh? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
... Yes. Yes, that's what I was thinking short U voice labia approximate. Am I saying that right? Kingsif (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, actually we are not here to right great wrongs. Please use social media to publicize human rights issues. 331dot (talk) 18:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Myanmar military junta

Article: Min Aung Hlaing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Myanmar's military leader, Min Aung Hlaing, forms a caretaker government and establishes himself as the country's prime minister. (Post)
News source(s): "Myanmar Junta Forms Caretaker Government; Min Aung Hlaing is Prime Minister | Voice of America - English". www.voanews.com., "Myanmar military leader takes new title of prime minister in caretaker government - state media". Reuters., "Myanmar army ruler takes prime minister role, again pledges elections". Reuters., "Top Myanmar General Says Military Rule Will Continue Into 2023". The New York Times., BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

 Zin Win Hlaing (talk) 12:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see both President and Prime Minister listed in that article for Myanmar. Mlb96 (talk) 06:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Only the President is marked as executive, as mentioned in the key at the top of the article. Joofjoof (talk) 07:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This just appears to be pedantic, the guideline's purpose is to highlight significant administrative changes. Even if take this into account, the president is clearly not that important in the present regime. This is in the news and the assumption of a different substantive role does appear to fall into that category. Gotitbro (talk) 07:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Turkish wildfires

Article: 2021 Turkish wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Wildfires in southern Turkey have killed at least eight people and injured more than 800. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Forest fires in southern Turkey have killed at least eight people and injured more than 800.
News source(s): New York Times, Deutsche Welle, AP, BBC, Reuters
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Article updated

 Ainty Painty (talk) 05:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK I hope to add more shortly. I have not done ITN before so please ping me if enough or not right. If/when this is accepted I will cancel my DYK request. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have added more info - if there is anything else I should do please ping me. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
True but 7 are still burning - I don't know how big. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Perhaps I am not reading carefully enough, but I have trouble finding the prose on the nominated wikipage about the "injured more than 400" mentioned in the proposed blurbs. I can see "Non-fatal injuries 410[2]" in the infobox, but the linked news article, dated July 29th, does not mention 410. --PFHLai (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately it is now over 800 - cited Chidgk1 (talk) 14:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to watch just this section - please ping me or write on article talk page if anything needs changing Chidgk1 (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posted: Thank you for the new refs and updating, Chidgk1. --PFHLai (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 31

July 31, 2021 (2021-07-31) (Saturday)

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  • 2021 Myanmar protests
    • As the six-month anniversary of the military coup against civilian leader Aung San Suu Kyi approaches, protests occur in Mandalay with university students waving flags and saying that there is "no possibility of dialogue" with the junta. The junta says that former civilian leaders are spreading "biased information". (Reuters)
  • Madagascar President Andry Rajoelina calls on the military to take "responsibility for threats to national sovereignty and threats to national security" after a plot to assassinate him was foiled last week. Rajoelina called on the new military graduates to uphold democracy. (Madagascar Tribune)

Sports

(Posted) RD: Jerzy Matuszkiewicz

Article: Jerzy Matuszkiewicz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): polandin.com + several in Polish
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary jazz musician in the Polish 1950s when jazz was banned, later film composer. He had a stubby article, and - due to no Polish - I could change that only up to a certain point. His band is also legendary, but has a confused article, and right now I have no more time. Help, especially by someone who reads Polish, highly welcome. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles Connor

Article: Charles Connor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Terry Cooper (footballer, born 1944)

Article: Terry Cooper (footballer, born 1944) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Sky Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer. The article is tagged and missing several refs, but it'll be improved soon. --SirEd Dimmi!!! 00:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women's 100m world Olympic record

Article: Elaine Thompson-Herah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In track and field, Elaine Thompson-Herah sets an Olympic world record in women's 100 metres with a time of 10.61 seconds, breaking Florence Griffith Joyner's 1988 Olympic record. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, USA Today, ABC
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Nominator's comments: 100m is a highly prestigious event and breaks a longstanding record. The name should be spelled with a hyphen I believe. (Also first time nominating so the blurb may be too wordy. Please forgive any mistakes.) Wqwt (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support in principle. This record is more prestigious and followed more than the triple jump record that we posted. If we are going to have more than one record posted, though, we'll have to figure out what to do here. 331dot (talk) 21:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I misread this. Agree with PrimeHunter. 331dot (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's the oldest Olympic athletics record besides long jump if anyone cares. The IOC probably still has a policy of never having summer at altitude again so the Olympic long jump record might be unbeatable. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Including women (which this was), there are three older records at List of Olympic records in athletics, and seven other from 1988. The men's long jump World record was set at low altitude in 1991. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I must've misremembered the headcanon version where the two 1980 Moscow records are fake cause steroids. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
She ran 10.61 the next day so it would be a tied record. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
10.61 but with 4mph easier wind. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No matter what you feel, the IAAF lists Florence Griffith as the world record holder, so this 2021 time wasn’t a world record.Tvx1 10:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a world record, only an Olympic record at the level of thousandths of a second. Thompson's good, so it'll be even sweeter to post when she does get the world record. Kingsif (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

July 30, 2021 (2021-07-30) (Friday)

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RD: Richard Lamm

Article: Richard Lamm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CPR, CBS Denver
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Three-term Governor of Colorado. This wikibio is certainly long enough, but needs more refs (12+ {CN} tags now). His publication list could use some clean-up, too. A viable RD candidate but more work is needed. --PFHLai (talk) 15:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Abdul Khaliq Sambhali

Article: Abdul Khaliq Sambhali (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Online Urdu
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Vice-Rector of Darul Uloom Deoband, famous Islamic seminary. The article is new and updated. I'm working further on the article and hoping to improve it. Everything is well-cited. ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

People read words, not individual characters. – Sca (talk) 12:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added few more stuff in the article, and the addition of more content is only possible at the availability of offline resources. I've asked for a book, and would definitely continue expanding the article. BUT in my opinion, the article in its current condition is fine for inclusion on the ITN. I do not agree this being a stub, but a start-class article and has everything sourced. ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:24, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Up to 360 words and looking quite a bit better. OK for RD. – Sca (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Albert Vanhoye

Article: Albert Vanhoye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News (in French)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: At age 98 he was the oldest Cardinal in the College of Cardinals, short article but looks sufficient for RD JW 1961 Talk 10:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Thomas Joseph

Article: Thomas Joseph (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Pachu Kannan (talk) 06:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Could use greater depth of coverage: at present, mostly a resume in prose format. Only has 2 paragraphs of prose in the body when traditionally 3 is considered the minimum. SpencerT•C 04:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

July 29, 2021 (2021-07-29) (Thursday)

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RD: Jon Lindbergh

Article: Jon Lindbergh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/21902369/jon-lindbergh
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This wikibio looks long enough and clean enough for RD. Does anyone want to beef it up further? --PFHLai (talk) 06:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jaime Chamorro Cardenal

Article: Jaime Chamorro Cardenal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Publisher of La Prensa, paper of record in Nicaragua. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2021 Gulf of Oman incident

No consensus to post. Stephen 01:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2021 Gulf of Oman incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two people are killed in an attack on the Israeli-operated tanker Mercer Street off the coast of Oman. (Post)
News source(s): Independent, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Unusual for deaths to result from an attack on a large merchant vessel even with the piracy issues previously seen in the industry. Almost certainly a state-backed attack by Iran in retaliation for recent Israeli strikes in Syria. Article needs work - Dumelow (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Toshihide Maskawa

Article: Toshihide Maskawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHK World-Japan
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hal Wootten

Article: Hal Wootten (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/memory-hal-wootten-founding-dean-unsw-law-justice
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This wikibio looks clean enough for RD already. Not an entertainer. Not a sportsman. Not a politician. Died on July 27th, news out on July 29th. --PFHLai (talk) 10:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Limited depth of coverage for most of his career, such as the University of NSW Faculty of Law and Supreme Court of New South Wales sections; resume in prose format. SpencerT•C 13:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Janice Mirikitani

Article: Janice Mirikitani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; San Francisco Chronicle; KPIX-TV (CBS)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:44, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Levin

Article: Carl Levin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Crain's Detroit
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nearly there, just a few more cn tags left. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC) – Muboshgu (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the new footnotes there. IMO, those bullet-points don't tell enough of the story and are better deployed in the infobox. I'd prefer having prose there to tell the whole story. Oh, well... it's okay. Let the "standard way" be. Posting --PFHLai (talk) 02:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mo Hayder

Article: Mo Hayder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced early today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Janet Banana

Article: Janet Banana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.pindula.co.zw/2021/07/29/former-first-lady-janet-banana-dies-aged-83/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This wikibio of the first First Lady of Zimbabwe (1980 ~ 1987) is currently a stub. I hope this can get expanded soon. It would be nice to see a Banana on ITN. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We wouldn't want to slip up on this one. – Sca (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 28

July 28, 2021 (2021-07-28) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • Argentina announces that they will pay $250 million to the Paris Club and $350 million to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to avoid default. Economy minister Martín Guzmán asks both entities to restructure the debts in order to make payment viable. The IMF has expressed its willingness for the payment after months of negotiations on a $45 billion debt acquired by the previous administration. (Ámbito Financiero)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Ben Wagin

Article: Ben Wagin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung; Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German artist, sculptor, draughtsman, designer, performance artist, author, composer. "Godfather of trees" Grimes2 (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Popeil

Article: Ron Popeil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: TV Advertising Pioneer Spman (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Maharashtra floods

Article: 2021 Maharashtra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in western Maharashtra of India results in deaths of over 250. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Floods in western Maharashtra, India, result in over 250 deaths.
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: large death toll and effects seen since 22 July 2021 affecting large population. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 17:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is short but quality is sufficient. Event is covered by major news outlets. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 17:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance, Weak Oppose on length (Though I do agree that the quality is sufficient) - There are no images except for the map, and I feel that the article can be expanded further. Tube·of·Light 01:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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