::I beg to differ. It's 992 B of prose. If it's not long enough for DYK (which has a 1500 minimum), how can we think of it as anything other than a stub? – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 23:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
::I beg to differ. It's 992 B of prose. If it's not long enough for DYK (which has a 1500 minimum), how can we think of it as anything other than a stub? – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 23:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:: My general rule of thumb is that there must be roughly a page of text not including lists, refs etc. I will have a look at it again and further discussion should be on her talk page. [[User:Capitalistroadster|Capitalistroadster]] ([[User talk:Capitalistroadster|talk]]) 00:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:: My general rule of thumb is that there must be roughly a page of text not including lists, refs etc. I will have a look at it again and further discussion should be on her talk page. [[User:Capitalistroadster|Capitalistroadster]] ([[User talk:Capitalistroadster|talk]]) 00:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:: I've marked it as start class. There is an infobox, an image and the article has structure. It is clearly ''not'' a stub, and wasn't a stub when you marked it as one, {{u|Mamyles}}. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 05:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' upon expansion. "Niche sport" is irrelevant(even if true); what matters is if she was very important to her field- which she seems to be for being the youngest world champion in her field. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' upon expansion. "Niche sport" is irrelevant(even if true); what matters is if she was very important to her field- which she seems to be for being the youngest world champion in her field. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
*If she had an article before her death I think this would get posted as full blurb. RD is enough. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 00:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
*If she had an article before her death I think this would get posted as full blurb. RD is enough. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 00:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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New hormone nomination on April 14th
Please could I get a few eyes on the nomination down below that seems to have gone unnoticed. I'll delete this entry after a few hours. Please don't comment here unless you really have to, thanks. Stephen 01:55, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: World champion snowboarder killed at the age of 21. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion As TRM notes, two sentences is not an article. We should be able to include sports stats, if anything, if she is a World Champion. --MASEM (t) 17:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm always skeptical of RD noms where the article didn't exist before the individual's death. Also the red links at Freeride_World_Tour#World_tour_winners makes me wonder, is this too niche? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support as sources are calling her a "snowboardingchampion". Concern about the lack of articles among the champions can be taken as a proxy in a way, as Nohomersryan suggests, hence my reservation. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Oppose the article is a stub, and the article on the championship she won is a stub full of redlinks, indicating little importance. Calling this person anywhere near the top of the snowboarding field, or even "widely regarded as a very important figure", would be pushing it. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion As TRM notes as well. She was on the top field of her sport. Her death has been mentioned in media all around the world. BabbaQ (talk) 18:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose see below per Nohomersryan. Tragic and unexpected death, but she was at the top of an extremely niche sport. As Muboshgu has noted, most Freeride World Tour champions don't even have articles (neither did Balet until a few hours ago). -Zanhe (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Number of articles are irrelevant to notability.BabbaQ (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's ok, it's a pointy oppose. The fact that the New York Times has reported this is clearly indicative that this is of no interest and that she was of no importance. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
NYT reports many deaths (I've been a subscriber for 20+ years), including Doris Roberts below, but only a fraction are ITN-caliber. This one is not. -Zanhe (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you're right. I now realize that she was the youngest Freeride World Tour champion, and the article has been expanded a bit. Changing my vote to Support, once the citation tags are fixed. -Zanhe (talk) 00:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Twice world champion, youngest ever world champion. Article taking shape nicely now. Mjroots (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment a quick check on Google News sees this individual's death being reported prominently in the UK, the US, Canada, Spain, Poland, France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Romania, Sweden, Peru, Norway and Macedonia, to name a few. I think the newsworthiness and notability is thus asserted. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – I agree with Muboshgu's take on this issue (above): why wasn't there a Wikipedia article for this skier before her death? If her accomplishment(s) in this sport were noteworthy, there would've been an article (or a stub at least) before her death. IMO (this is only my opinion) this woman was stunning in every detail: stunning in her daring, her talent, her moxie, stunning in her physical appearance and beauty. And now stunning, too, is the manner of her horrific death. The media is grasping at every stunning and sensational detail for the sake of spectacle and to sell copy (or "click bait" as it's called now). When it comes to a RD, spectacle and sensation should not be the over-riding detail that makes their recent death noteworthy and newsworthy. If it is the over-riding detail for why the death is being reported then it isn't ITN-worthy.– Christian Roess (talk)
It's not. The reason for the death being reported globally is that she was a double-world-champion and was killed skiing aged 21. Your personal analysis is fascinating, but the objective answer is obvious, hence why it is making headlines around the world, with or without "stunning and sensational detail" (which I haven't seen anywhere). And if you agree with Muboshgu's take, then you should be supporting. How odd. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
TRM is right, she was known for her achievements in sports, her death is sad but has not been sensationalized at all. Christian Roess seems to have strong opinions about her, but that is POV and not guideline based. I also do not see any relevance to Estelle being beautiful and her article not being ITN worthy. That I created her article today after her death is purely coincidental, had I known more about her before that I would have created her article earlier. So that is no indicator for ITN either, a person can be notable and have their article created the same day as the ITN nom. BabbaQ (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Let's be clear, Christian Roess: it gave me pause, but didn't prevent me from supporting the nom. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
ok TRM and BabbaQ, and Muboshgu (so noted, thanks): you all make valid points, and if there's more input later making a strong case for support, I'd be willing to drop my "oppose" (but at this point I can't see changing it to "support"). But once again I did stress the point above:"IMO (this only my opinion)" because obviously my own opinion is not a criteria for judging whether or not an RD is ITN-worthy. I won't support for two reasons: (1) her fame is in a niche sport; and (2) there was no Estelle Balet wikipedia article before her death. Christian Roess (talk) 21:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
After considering the issue, I have to agree with Mamyles' opinion below that the lack of an article is more a sign of how Wikipedia is incomplete, than that she's not notable or RD material. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Given that snowboarding is a well-known sport (at least in the US), and she is at the top of the field for snowboarding, she meets the RD criteria. The lack of an article only goes to show how incomplete our encyclopedia is, and itself has no bearing on notability. Mamyles (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Provisional "oppose" given that I have classified the article as a stub with only a few lines of text. Have seem articles with more information than hers knocked back on quality grounds. Capitalistroadster (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your classification is wrong as it is not a stub anymore. The stub template was removed.BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ. It's 992 B of prose. If it's not long enough for DYK (which has a 1500 minimum), how can we think of it as anything other than a stub? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My general rule of thumb is that there must be roughly a page of text not including lists, refs etc. I will have a look at it again and further discussion should be on her talk page. Capitalistroadster (talk) 00:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've marked it as start class. There is an infobox, an image and the article has structure. It is clearly not a stub, and wasn't a stub when you marked it as one, Mamyles. Mjroots (talk) 05:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support upon expansion. "Niche sport" is irrelevant(even if true); what matters is if she was very important to her field- which she seems to be for being the youngest world champion in her field. 331dot (talk) 23:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If she had an article before her death I think this would get posted as full blurb. RD is enough. Nergaal (talk) 00:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even if there had been an article, it would never have been a full blurb. Never.Correctron (talk) 05:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: First democratically elected president of Chile after Pinochet. Brandmeistertalk 16:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support pending updates As noted, one section is tagged and completely unsourced, but once that's taken care of this appears ready. --MASEM (t) 16:13, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Former head of state will get my support if the article improves. Will check back later. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support - notable head of state, but article has been orange tagged since 2010. -Zanhe (talk) 19:32, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support as this is a mass murder with high number of casualties, which recieves decent media coverage globally. But wait until the article is tagged for work in progress.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but give a few hours for more details to filter in and make it to the article. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - If it bleeds, it leads.--WaltCip (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note Article is fairly complete and well-referenced. Tweaked the blurb with accurate count. --QEDK (T ☕ C) 17:30, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major attack with high casualty, widely reported. Article is short but decently sourced. -Zanhe (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major attack.BabbaQ (talk) 18:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – agree with the assessment of QEDK and Zanhe above. Christian Roess (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – per article quality and significance. Though tragic, near routine in Afghanistan. Baking Soda (talk) 21:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose an nominated. Neither of the articles in the nom are updated, and while 400 feared dead is a lot, it is not unprecedented: see AP report of 15.04.2015 for example. I don't know why on going is bolded in the nomination, but if it's the nomintor's intention to re-introduce the EU migrant crisis to Ongoing, then the nomination should be changed to reflect that. As it is, there's no way forward for this as a stand alone ITN entry.128.214.53.18 (talk) 10:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for ongoing - ongoing is for developing stories that change over the course of weeks, not multiple discrete events in a larger narrative. As a comparison - there are about a dozen major ongoing wars at the moment, and sometimes we post battles and massacres from these. However, we don't add all these wars to ongoing. Can't weigh in on anything else until there's an article, but would certainly be newsworthy. Smurrayinchester 11:58, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing but Support if nominated as a stand-alone – Ongoing is primary used for when events fall off the main ticker but retain substantial notability. The ship incidents specifically are haphazard in nature and occur at random; events that are continuous close-to are much preferred. The migrant crisis was removed from ongoing by consensus on March 29 for reference. However, the stand-alone disaster is most certainly notable if hundreds did indeed drown. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 12:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing (just because the migrant crisis is not listed doesn't mean its not still news), but would support this specific incident should there be an article on it. --MASEM (t) 13:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait – Ditto. Details haven't been confirmed. The BBC's Arabic service on Monday reported 400 drowned, and this was picked up by other media, but a spokesman for the International Organization for Migration, Flavio Di Giacomo, today is quoted as saying, "It's really a mystery. We can neither confirm nor deny that [such an] accident occurred." Sca (talk) 14:56, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Sca. Ignoring the fact that there is no update, and while horrific if confirmed, there are no reliable sources for the number in the blurb. That is a basic tenant for inclusion, even for ITN. We don't post speculation. Fuebaey (talk) 18:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Sca. Details are too scarce at the moment. -Zanhe (talk) 18:54, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: 4 million people are without tap water in the capital of Chile due to flooding and the capital's entire 7+ million population is under "red alert" for dirty water. The world's biggest copper mine is shut down. Also, Mother Nature sends a freak thunderstorm to cripple Houston with flood at the same time just because it can. With its 2nd rainiest day in history happening in half a day despite the frequent hurricanes and lack of any tropical weather this time. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 08:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No article. The events seem disparate as well. If there were a good meteorologic page to explain the connection between the two, that would be a good candidate.128.214.53.18 (talk) 10:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support "2016 Houston floods" - The 2016 Houston floods should be featured on the main page, since there is now an article about them. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral but leaning support if the article is expanded. Seems reminiscent to me of the 2013 Alberta floods, which was posted. Resolute 15:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support Houston per Jax and Resolute - if 2016 Houston floods is expanded. -Zanhe (talk) 18:59, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A bomb explosion in Jerusalem set two buses on fire and injured 21 people with ball bearing and nails. Israelipolice say they believe the incident was a suicide bombing but no group has claimed responsibility. (Euronews)(Ynetnews)
According to the government of Ethiopia, the death toll from a raid carried out by attackers from South Sudan has risen to 208 from a figure of 140 a day earlier, with 108 children being kidnapped in the process. Ethiopian forces killed 60 of the attackers and says it would cross the border into South Sudan to pursue the assailants if necessary. (Al Jazeera)
A member of the board of the Bundesbank in Germany says that the European Central Bank ought to crack down on the political practice, in EU's member states, by which banks that are no longer viable are nonetheless kept in business, as so-called Zombie banks. (Reuters)
Violent storms cause floods across Uruguay with seven people killed and more than 2,000 left homeless. Four of those were killed by a tornado that struck Dolores. Four million people in the Chilean capital of Santiago were left without tap water as heavy rains triggered landslides. This led to the fouling of the city's water supply. (Al Jazeera)
Heavy rain of more than 1 foot (0.30 m) causes major flooding in Houston, Texas, affecting 1,000 homes, causing five deaths and causing power outages for over 100,000 residents. (CNN)(USA Today)(Time)
Australian Ambassador to the Philippines Amanda Gorely criticizes Philippine presidential frontrunner Rodrigo Duterte regarding his remarks about the rape of an Australian citizen. (Rappler)(The New York Times)
During a visit to Baghdad, U.S. Defense SecretaryAsh Carter announces that the United States will be sending more troops to the country to help in the fight against ISIL. The U.S. also plans to give KurdishPeshmerga forces, which are fighting ISIL on the ground, more than $400m (£280m; €350m) in assistance. (BBC)
More than 30,000 runners participate in the 120th running of the Boston Marathon. Two Ethiopian runners win. Adriana Haslett and Patrick Downes, survivors of the 2013 bombing who each lost a leg in the blast, were in the field. (The Boston Globe)(NPR)
[Closed] RD: Doris Roberts
No consensus. Stephen 23:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator's comments: Quintessential NYC character actress, international press re reath, multiple awards from 1950's to present, five Emmy and Screen Actors Guild μηδείς (talk) 00:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - She won five awards for just two roles, mostfour of them for Everybody Loves Raymond. She was just an actress with major supporting roles. Also, as for SAG Awards, she didn't win individual entities; she won as part of the cast ensemble of the well-known sitcom. Also, article is poor, but the point is her significance in her field. She doesn't meet the standards. George Ho (talk) 00:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nom. Well, let's agree here, I too hated "Everyone loves Raymond" but Robert's career spans 1951 to the present, and even in such films as 1971's A New Leaf she played a pivotal role. I'd really hold off on the, I didn't like her most recent show opposes, and do some real research, like looking at her 1970's roles. If you are not American, it is very likely she is one of the key personas to have formed your idea of what it is like to be an American. 00:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
This was Medeis editing, but not signing properly, just so that everybody keeps track of things. Fgf10 (talk) 15:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose One particularly noteworthy role, not that important in her field as far as I can tell. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest you read her article, as she has 35 roles in blue-linked Hollywood movies, not to mention her 1980 Remington Steele and 2000's Everyone Loves Raymond TV episodes. But most Americans knew her from the early 70's, long before these roles. μηδείς (talk) 01:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I read it. She had a long career, but that in and of itself isn't sufficient. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is very poorly referenced. Would fully support if article were cleaned up to be main-page ready. --Jayron32 01:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, but will support as RD-worthy when the article is improved. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article quality is weak, individual is popular but hardly important in the field of film and television acting. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Popular and above average, but not "very important" to her field. 331dot (talk) 10:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support "Not important to her field?" Roberts has won a lifetime achievement award, as well as five Emmy awards for her performances as Cora and Marie Barone, a role which has made her extremely well-known in the U.S. and likely elsewhere. Also, I wish to state that liking or disliking the show Everybody Loves Raymond or Marie Barone is NOT a viable reason for supporting or opposing this decision. The show was (and still is) immensely popular, and made Doris Roberts famous enough for inclusion "in the news." ~Lord Laitinen~ (talk) 13:59, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Predominantly known for one show these days and hardly at the top in her field given the rest of her career. Fgf10 (talk) 15:55, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - She had a good long career but neither her roles nor her award indicate that she is "widely regarded as a very important figure in her field". There is also nothing additional like being president of SAG or major charity work to add to her notability. TheBlinkster (talk) 17:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose regrettably - RIP to my favorite actor in Everybody Loves Raymond. As much as I loved her performance, she was best known for a supporting role. -Zanhe (talk) 19:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Is a stub, needs a race summary. Fuebaey (talk) 20:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The male winner is? The female winner is? Did they come #1 and #2?Correctron (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that it's common sense that how the current blurb is worded is standard form for this result, implicitly stating that the first name is the winning male runner, and the second the winning female runner. I don't think clarification is needed on this given the expect result from the sport, but it also can't hurt to add "..win the men's and women's Boston Marathon, respectively." --MASEM (t) 23:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it "common sense" that the male winner would be listed first? For that matter, why do we almost invariably list the male winner before the female one in events featuring both? There does not seem to be any good reason for this practice, which could be regarded as reflecting systemic bias. Neljack (talk) 00:56, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's a universal system bias, across sports and other accolades too (Oscars, Emmys, Grammys). And arguable for the marathon, the men's winning time was better than the women's. By all means, let's identify who was who, but I don't think this is necessary a systematic bias that WP readily can fix - one of the two needs to be stated first and its near universe that the men's result is the highlighted one. --MASEM (t) 01:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, you've just summed up the problem nicely: "the men's result is the highlighted one." That fact that the systemic bias exists elsewhere is not a reason for us, in exercising our editorial judgement on blurbs here, to perpetuate it. Now none of this says that the women's winner must be listed first here, but we should not automatically assume that we should always list the men's winner first. Perhaps, as you suggest, there is good reason for listing the men's winner first here on the basis of winning time (though I have some doubts about this), but there are other events where you could give reasons for listing the women's event first (e.g. women's finals occur first in tennis grand slams). Neljack (talk) 02:11, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in article's present state. Obviously the race summary must be added but I would think that it should be relatively easy (within the day) to get an article of the same quality as 2015 Boston Marathon in place. Support otherwise in ITNR. --MASEM (t) 23:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we can't highlight an incomplete stub on the main page. What would be directing readers to in order to learn more about the topic? Woefully inadequate article. --Jayron32 01:22, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, quality is not quite at the level of the 2015 race, but the details are fully referenced. Stephen 03:24, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Polio vaccine
An interim technical step on the road to complete eradication. Stephen 23:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Type 2 was reported eradicated in Sept 2015, and the WHO removed one of the 3 strands to decrease the vaccine-derived infections. I am guessing polio will not be declared eradicated for another 2 years so posting this intermediate development should be ok. Feel free to propose a better blurb. Nergaal (talk) 18:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think it's the eradication of polio 2 back in 2015 that was postable (don't remember whether it was posted). The transition to a new vaccine looks like a technical formality after that, like election and inauguration (aside from giving an impression of vaccine advertisement on WP). Brandmeistertalk 19:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Suggesting an alt blurb, the first blurb sounds as if the first vaccine failed and they are trying another. (Let's just hope I understood the nom's comment correctly, the blurb was a bit fuzzy.) w.carter-Talk 19:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I like sciency news. Even a partial victory against polio seems very important to me, much more so than various inconsequential elections and sport events. Thue (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment whether this is in the news or not, neither blurb really gives our readers a clear indication as to the significance of "switching to a new vaccine" or "moving to the next stage" (whatever that is). Why is this actually important to our readers? Is the new vaccine better but less potent? Is it cheaper? What is the actual story? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Read my comment for the description. Feel free to propose an adequate blurb. Nergaal (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did, the point is our readers won't have the luxury of your magnificent prose to assist them in understanding the significance of this. Feel free to propose a blurb which helps them understand. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Roughly would belike us noting each new flavour of flu vaccine, alas. Collect (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For one thing, the entirety of the update is "Because cVDPV2 strains continue to arise from the trivalent oral vaccine that includes attenuated WPV2, between 17 April and 1 May 2016 this vaccine will be replaced with a bivalent version lacking WPV2 as well as trivalent injected inactivated vaccine that cannot lead to cVDPV cases. This is expected to prevent new strains of cVDPV2 and allow eventual cessation of WPV2 vaccination." To the general reader, this is just gibberish. To be worthy of posting on the front page, there needs to be at least some explanation of this actually means. Smurrayinchester 08:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Democracy Spring arrests
No consensus. Stephen 23:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Since today (Monday 18 April) is the final day scheduled for protests, there may be more arrests reported. Also of note, but perhaps not very reliable because it's not reported in the mainstream media→(Ie., here Vice.com), is that the organizers of the event are stating that the 85 arrests made on April 12 is "an all-time record for a mass arrest at the Capitol Building." Although the latter is not especially ITN-worthy in itself (and it is hard to verify at this point), it's worth mentioning because, IMO, it highlights that this story is worth keeping an eye on in the coming day(s) as a future ITN candidate. Christian Roess (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One of the linked sources is a primary source and likely should not be used as a basis for writing the blurb.--WaltCip (talk) 18:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A bunch of people receiving misdemeanors for a law they intended to break is not interesting or impactful news. Perhaps that's why it hasn't been covered much by mainstream media. Mamyles (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong on the second count and nothing more than WP:OR. What criteria the infotainment U.S. MSM uses to select breaking stories (or to even report on them at all) is both meaningless to anyone with a critical eye and irrelevant to this discussion. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, the notability of this item as judged by ITN criteria is entirely subjective. I am putting in my opinion that this bunch of arrests does not meet the notability criterion. Mamyles (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just pointing out that "it hasn't been covered..." does not help your point. Personally, I fail to see how this wave rises to the level of the Occupy movement, which was featured on ITN on 2 October 2011, and the reported figure there was 700 arrests. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent point as they did indeed plan on getting arrested as a signature they quite purposefully (and overtly) wanted to place on this event; except that I would hardly characterize 900 people (and the Capitol police are verifying numbers close to this) as only just a "bunch" of people, whether they wanted to get arrested, or not. – Christian Roess (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose per Mamyles; this is exactly what was intended, and news coverage seems minimal. It's unlikely this will influence any policies. If things change I would be willing to reconsider. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A mere indication of a ripple of disquiet and nothing more. Thousands of people are arrested every day for protesting against things, this just happens to be in America, the only surprise is that none of them have been shot yet. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Mehmet Kaplan resigns
No consensus. Stephen 00:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article:Mehmet Kaplan (talk·history·tag) Blurb: The Minister for Housing and Urban Development in Sweden Mehmet Kaplan resigns after making comments about Israel, and association with Turkish extremists. (Post) News source(s):[1], [2] Credits:
Oppose - His only claims to fame are contrived controversies.--WaltCip (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think a resignation of a minister is worth posting except for extraordinary circumstances when it has major implications immediately. This also doesn't seem to receive wide media attention.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This got some coverage in Sweden, but on an international scale it's nothing. w.carter-Talk 18:59, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the reasons stated. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose local politician turns out to be a bit of a dick, gets caught. Not newsworthy, probably not even in Sweden, just trash. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While I oppose the posting, there is no need to get rude. It is newsworthy in Sweden since Kaplan was the first Muslim minister in Sweden, also in charge of housing. With over 160,000 refugees (most Muslims) seeking asylum in Sweden last year, any story involving the words "Muslims", "housing" and "government official" is incendiary here. w.carter-Talk 21:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
TRM post these kind of comments to get attention.. you just gave him that attention..BabbaQ (talk) 21:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's on the house. :) I'll be here all week, remember to tip your waiter on the way out. w.carter-Talk 21:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Oppose A prime minister resigning is ITN-worthy. A HUD minister is not. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Heavy fighting continues in the north of Afghanistan as Taliban fighters intensify their attacks in several districts around Kunduz in their bid to retake the city. According to a police chief, militants overnight attacked several police checkpoints in the southwest outskirts of the city while government forces repelled a major attack to the east of Kunduz. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty)
A bus carrying members of the Bharati Gananatya opera troupe crashes into a gorge in India's Odisha state resulting in 25 people killed and 11 injured. (AFP via ABC News Australia)
Members of OPEC meet in Doha, Qatar, amid uncertainty in the markets and the outcome of the meeting. Since 2014, the price of oil has dropped dramatically. Analysts hope that an agreement to freeze output will reassure global energy markets that the recent recovery in prices is sustainable. (Al Jazeera)
The Italian referendum proposes repealing the law that allows oil drilling concessions extracting Hydrocarbon within 12 nautical miles of the Italian coast to be prolonged until the exhaustion of the useful life of the fields. (Euronews)
At least 7,000 people take to the streets of Brussels, Belgium, in a march "against terror and hate." However, turnout was less than half of what was hoped for by organizers. (BBC)
Consensus is to wait until the Senate vote in early May. Stephen 00:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: This has been simmering for a while. Protests over political corruption in Brazil have led to the lower house voting on whether to remove the head of state/gov. If this passes, Rousseff could be suspended for up to six months, missing the entirety of the Summer Olympic/Paralympic Games in Rio. The article is poorly translated and formatted, but I'm working on addressing that over the next few hours. Any help in copyediting is appreciated. Fuebaey (talk) 23:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WaitSupport - to quote Masem below, "This is absolutely an ITN story, but ...". The 'but' in this case is that the article is awfully poor quality right now. I took a brief look at it and copyediting it will not be easy; I'll try to work on it later though. Banedon (talk) 01:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that was pretty fast. Banedon (talk) 03:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Couple of notes: the article is still pretty terrible right now (the first half has been copyedited, but the second still reads badly). That said, I'm of opinion this should be posted even if she were not impeached. Banedon (talk) 06:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I believe this could be posted anytime assuming the article Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff is good enough. I propose altblurb1 if admins want to post before the impeachment process is completed. Brian Everlasting (talk) 02:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Huge news indeed, with international implications. Jusdafax 03:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that its confirmed to be in favor of impeachment.Wait for Senate confirmation in May. Still definitely a topic to post assuming that happens. I think the article can be better before posting though. --MASEM (t) 03:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if the blurb (while completely accurate) might lead some readers to incorrectly conclude that Rousseff has been removed from office. I'm sure not how to address that (add something to the blurb perhaps?), though I would welcome suggestions. Neljack (talk) 05:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait The Brazilian Senate also has to vote on this (a majority vote would suspend her, and a supermajority totally impeach her). Smurrayinchester 06:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It can be posted now because the Senate will hold a trial; the result of the trial will be just as noteworthy as impeachment(which is basically deciding to hold a trial). 331dot (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon my bias; the Senate also needs to vote on holding a trial. We should wait until that occurs. 331dot (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've stripped the "[ready]" tag off. As it stands, this blurb is misleading as several commenters have said above. Rousseff has not yet been impeached - one of two houses has voted for impeachment, but until the Senate votes nothing happens. Smurrayinchester 09:44, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question/Comment I would just like to point out that under wikipedia's article on impeachment it says Dilma has been impeached, and it says impeachment is only the process of removing someone from office and not necessarily the outcome. Brian Everlasting (talk) 12:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Impeachment proceedings don't begin until the Senate votes, as far as I can tell. Smurrayinchester 12:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. As NYT says in second paragraph, the Senate will vote on whether to hold an impreachment trial of Rousseff, and "that vote is expected to take place next month." See you in May. Sca (talk) 14:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support "to impeach" is analogous to "indict" when applied to a sitting head of state, and upon conviction (using US terms) she'd be removed. It's absurd to think we would not have posted Bill Clinton's or Alexander Johnson's impeachments, or Richard Nixon's, had the last occurred. Not to post Rousseff's is like saying, "Well this sort of thing is expected in banana republics." I'd prefer we respect the importance of Brazil on the world stage. μηδείς (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But she hasn't been indicted yet - Senate needs to confirm. Smurrayinchester 14:55, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Sca (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - major development in this story.BabbaQ (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Impeachment proceedings are at most one third done. There's no guarantee that there will even be an impeachment trial yet, much less an impeachment. Mamyles (talk) 16:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Sca (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support iff the article is expanded with a section describing what are the following steps. This development is notable enough but the article does not explain the next steps very well. Nergaal (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Ecuador earthquake
Posted, won't be merged. Stephen 23:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: It is still early, but pretty sure this is going to be important. Dragons flight (talk) 02:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support but give this a few hours to assure of the details before posting. --MASEM (t) 03:02, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Major quake and significant death toll. Jusdafax 04:24, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - with the Kumamoto earthquake blurb. They're unrelated to one another, but they're still both earthquakes. Banedon (talk) 04:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Significant due to death toll. However the article is not ready yet to be posted. Should be posted after more additions are made. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious Support when updated, but is past my bedtime. μηδείς (talk) 06:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Easily satisfies notability, but the article is far too short. It's currently at 731 characters with the minimum required at about 2,000. JollyΩJanner 06:53, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jolly Janner: I've expanded it above 2,000 prose characters. Still a bit short, but details are likely to remain limited until daybreak. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support (there is no minimum character count, no let's not merge it with the other earthquake, they are entirely unrelated). The Rambling Man (talk) 07:29, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Agree strongly with both points made by TRM. Jusdafax 07:32, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging blurbs. The two events may be connected by the ring of fire, but the ring of fire is not in the news and the mainstream media are focusing on these quakes as separate events. Thryduulf (talk) 09:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging blurbs – Completely separate events on opposite sides of the Pacific Ocean that have no connection aside from both being earthquake events. Merging them doesn't help readers at all. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 13:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge of unconected events. Mjroots (talk) 19:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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According to a police chief, at least 40 Taliban fighters are killed after launching an offensive against Afghan security forces to seize the strategic northern city of Kunduz while four security force personnel are also killed. (Al Jazeera)
AMISOM soldiers kill four Somali civilians in the town of Bulla Marer, southwest of Mogadishu. The AU Mission said scared soldiers opened fire when the car the civilians were driving failed to stop at a roadblock. (BBC)
German police report an apparent deliberate explosion at a Sikh temple in Essen while a wedding was being celebrated, has injured three people, one in serious condition. Police say there is no indication this was a terrorist incident. (AP)
Arts and culture
The United States Army approves 22 soldiers requests to become the service's first female infantry and armor unit officers. Thirteen women will enter the armor branch, and nine others will enter infantry as second lieutenants. (UPI)
A second earthquake hits southern Japan with a magnitude of 7.1 killing at least 32 people with the death toll from both earthquakes rising to 42. The new quake traps even more people. In Kumamoto a landslide occurs as well as a bridge collapse. (AFP via Yahoo! News)[permanent dead link](AP)(AP via Yahoo! News)
A new aftershock with a magnitude of 5.4 hits southern Kyushu island. A Japanese spokesman says 1,500 people have been injured, 80 seriously, since Thursday. (AP)(USA Today)
Later, the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center announces the threat has largely passed. The United States Geological Survey reports the 7.8 magnitude quake was preceded, 11 minutes earlier, by a 4.8 earthquake. Production at the 110,000 barrel-per-day Esmeraldas refinery is suspended as a precautionary measure. (The Straits Times)
Pope Francis offers refuge to a dozen SyrianMuslims, three families with six children, who faced deportation from Lesbos. The refugees accompanied the Pope on his return trip to Rome. (The Guardian)
EUForeign policy chiefFederica Mogherini holds the highest-level talks between the EU and Iran in decades to mark a new phase in relations between the two. Both sides are keen to focus on trade, energy and the environment as possible areas of cooperation. (BBC)
Iraq'sParliament cancels its third session in a week to discuss political reforms as some MPs dispute the legitimacy of speaker Salim al-Jabouri to chair the meeting. Also, protesters gathered in the streets of Baghdad to protest the growing political deadlock in the country. (Al Jazeera)
As protesters continue to take to the streets of Skopje, Macedonia, lawmakers confirmed that a snap election will take place on June 5 despite the protesters being angry at PresidentGjorge Ivanov’s decision to halt investigations into more than 50 public figures, including top politicians embroiled in a wire-tapping scandal. Zoran Zaev, the main opposition leader, vowed to boycott the election. (The Guardian)
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Nominator's comments: A giant in the field of meteorology, especially with tropical cyclones, Dr. Gray had a tremendous career spanning over 60 years during which he created the framework for how we study and forecast tropical cyclones to this day. He pioneered seasonal hurricane forecasts, and issued these for over 30 years. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:30, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until this hits the news. 331dot (talk) 19:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for such a "giant", his article is weak and he as an individual certainly doesn't appear to have been showered with awards: most of those listed are so inconsequential it would seem that they don't even warrant a Wikipedia article. If the claim that "Gray pioneered the concept of "seasonal" hurricane forecasting" is true, then it should have more than a couple of words on it in his article, and certainly more than the unreferenced muddle that currently exists. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have time to delve into fleshing out that section today but here are additionalsources backing up his status as a pioneer of seasonal hurricane forecasts. If I have time tomorrow, I'll work on expanding the section. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:18, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man and 331dot: I've cleaned up the section in question and expanded more about his career. Where does the article stand now? ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:56, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on the merits as very important to his field, but I concur with TRMs assessment of the article and as such oppose on quality. 331dot (talk) 23:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've noted the WaPost has taken note of his death, and with other sources, I think his importance to the meteorology field is apparently clear now. --MASEM (t) 16:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support and marked ready--article is now full referenced with quotes attesting to his respect among the field and his discovery of the N Atlantic hurricane cycle. μηδείς (talk) 17:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RDStephen 23:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why was this posted at a title the article isn't at? Nohomersryan (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your question belongs on the errors page or at Step's door. There is no way we would have posted John Ronald Reuel Tolkien in full. μηδείς (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I Mean Tolkien's article's not called that. I asked at errors before and didn't get a real answer, so I just want to know the status on what version of a name goes up on the ticker. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We'd go for the common name. If the article needs to be moved, that's a subject for WP:RM. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A battle rages in the Kunduz Province of Afghanistan as the Taliban launches its spring offensive to capture the city of Kunduz. According to a Taliban spokesperson, several outposts already fell to them but this could not be verified immediately while a police chief says that the security forces were keeping "the situation under control". (Al Jazeera)
At least four Turkish Army soldiers are killed and two others are wounded after a roadside bomb hit their vehicle in the southeast Mardin Province. (Reuters)
The death toll from yesterday's earthquake rises to nine with eight dead in the town of Mashiki. Eight hundred people have been injured including over 50 seriously injured. (AP)
Authorities in Rwanda jail former politician Léon Mugesera for life. Mugesera was known for describing Tutsis as "cockroaches" and called for their extermination in a speech in 1992 and is said to be a precursor to the Rwandan genocide. (BBC)
Two firefighters are shot, one fatally and the other is in critical condition, during a welfare check in Temple Hills, Maryland. (AP)
Riot police violently break up an anti-Sisi protest in Cairo, Egypt. In the first sign of public discontent with President Sisi's rule, hundreds of people gathered and shouted slogans calling for his overthrow. (Al Jazeera)
Leaders of the Czech Republic choose “Czechia” as the one-word alternative name of their country to make it easier for companies, politicians and sportsmen to use on products, name tags and sporting jerseys. However, this change must still win cabinet approval before the foreign ministry can lodge the name with the United Nations for it to become the country’s official short name. (The Guardian)
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Nominator's comments: "Pioneering" and award-winning photographer. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems to meet RD criteria. Needs some more sourcing before it's postable, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support According to obits appearing all over mainstream media (ie., NYTimes, BBC, AP, Telegraph, Time) he's a major photographer with international fame and reputation. More sourcing has now been added and the CN tags removed. Christian Roess (talk) 11:53, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Tags have been removed. I have checked and rechecked sources after making numerous revisions. I have marked as Ready. Christian Roess (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready, there is an unreferenced section with a controversial assertion and an OR observation. Stephen 23:51, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD after further improvement, thanks. Stephen 05:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Czech Republic renames itself
consensus to wait til event occurs. μηδείς (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for now. If I read the linked source correctly, it states that they are proposing to change the name, not that they have actually done so. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Changed the source to a more recent one. New source says "The choice, agreed on Thursday evening by the president, prime minister, heads of parliament and foreign and defence ministers, must still win cabinet approval before the foreign ministry can lodge the name with the United Nations and it becomes the country’s official short name." - effectively the question then is whether to post this now or wait for cabinet approval (which admittedly might not happen). Banedon (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the nominator's comments, this hasn't happened, it may not happen, and if it does, it's not renaming itself, it's just getting a new "short name". The Rambling Man (talk) 11:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is extensive and of sufficient quality for the main page. Referencing is good, not comprehensive, but I can't find anything controversial or contentious which lacks a reference. The information in the blurb is prominent and easy to find in the Etymology section, with a full paragraph of background on the recent name change. --Jayron32 11:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I take it that you also read that this hasn't actually happened then? What a bizarre support. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The approval (if that happens) of an official short name is not a rename. The full name of the country remains Czech Republic. -- KTC (talk) 12:00, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - No they're not, as per KTC. The nom, and more shockingly our article on the country, is incorrect. Fgf10 (talk) 12:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A little surprised you've not nominated an alt blurb. I've gone ahead and done so. 12:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Which is also incorrect. Suggest you withdraw this until something actually happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, ALL blurbs are incorrect, as the country has not been renamed. It merely added an alternative name. Fgf10 (talk) 13:25, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait but will support when they lodge with the UN. We actually have a good article about the complicated situation: Name of the Czech Republic. I've added it as an altblurb and will update it a bit. Smurrayinchester 12:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(As for the "short name" thing, this is in everyday use the official name - Czech[ia/o/ Republic]'s southern neighbour is officially the Slovak Republic, but Slovakia is the name that it is known by in all circumstances except legal documents. Ditto French Republic, Swiss Confederation, Hellenic Republic... For all intents and purposes, this is the real name that we're talking about) Smurrayinchester 12:34, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support we are generally posting important geographical renaming/name changes, such as Denali for example. This one is seams at least equally important, to me. --Jenda H. (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Denali, the name actually was changed. It is not yet certain that this change will happen. Further, the name of Denali is just Denali, both officially and otherwise; this proposal is for a 'short name' of the country, not the official name. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well it is certain that Czech government will ask the UN to rewrite papers in near future. My point is: Denali and Czechia are both geographical names which were relatively recently changed. So is a mountain more important than a country? --Jenda H. (talk) 21:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is certain they will ask- not that it will happen. When it does, we will see. 331dot (talk) 21:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Smurrayinchester. If this happens I will likely support, but posting at this point is premature. Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until it's official. It seems like a done deal already, (though perhaps not; i'm not an expert on Czech politics) I don't think there's a rush to publish this.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 – Very unusual for a European nation to change the name by which it's generally known. Use of Czechia was discussed after the split with Slovakia in '93, and seemed handier than the official Czech Republic. (I'm surprised it's taken them this long to make the move.) As to waiting, it's been in the news for two or three days and there appears to be little or no domestic opposition.... Sca (talk) 15:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Czech Republic is staying exactly where it is, alt 3 is poorly worded and journalistic. And indicative, once again, that nothing has really happened. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait This is absolutely an ITN story, but we should wait until the change is officially recognized in the international community. --MASEM (t) 16:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not a renaming as such, just confirming the "official" short name, and per the BBC article, this is no different to stating France instead of The French Republic. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 18:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From what I've seen, since 1993 Czechia hasn't been in general English-language use, either written or spoken. (The same is true of Tschechien and la Tchéquie, the German and French equivalents, respectively.) This move would provide an official impetus to broaden use of the short forms. That would be a change. Sca (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose per Stephen, doesn't appear to be out of the ordinary, a small death toll all things considered, article is poor. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Seems relatively minor as far as Japanese earthquakes go; Japan is an earthquake-prone nation and they usually do well in adapting to it to reduce damage and casualties. Unless something changes I don't think this needs to be posted. 331dot (talk) 11:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As others have pointed out, not as significant as other quakes even with a 6+ magnitude, and the death toll is relatively small. --MASEM (t) 16:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Change to Support, as multiple quakes now are more damaging. --MASEM (t) 23:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So it would seem that the earthquake actually nominated was a foreshock. I'll reserve judgement until more info comes in. 331dot (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The region was just hit by a magnitude 7.0 earthquake (~10 km from the prior epicenter). I assume we can expect additional damage and casualties. Also, on the general theory that more ITN posts are better, I don't think the threshold for death and destruction needs to be all that high to justify posting an earthquake story. Dragons flight (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Article has been expanded with new quake information. Timely story and the damage is considerable. Death toll is notable and Japan is a leader in earthquake resistant structures so death toll is less than it would be in many countries. Capitalistroadster (talk) 18:18, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Widespread disruption, damage, and numerous casualties. Added ALT2 to reflect that there are two major earthquakes involved in this story. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:59, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A magnitude 6.4 earthquake strikes near Kumamoto, Japan, collapsing several buildings killing at least four people and injuring 400. However, no tsunami warning was issued and local nuclear power plants reported no problems. (Reuters), (CNN), (Japan Today)
The U.S. company Microsoft has sued the United States, alleging that it has been prevented from disclosing warrants to the company's customers in violation of the company's constitutional rights. (The New York Times)
Authorities in Jammu and Kashmir impose a curfew around the capital of Srinagar, Handwara, and neighbouring villages as protests turn violent. People began to protest last Tuesday when allegations were circulated by residents in Handwara that an Indian Army soldier tried to sexually assault a teenage schoolgirl. (Al Jazeera)
Thousands of opposition supporters rally in Harare, Zimbabwe, against PresidentRobert Mugabe and the deteriorating economy. The rally was banned by the police, however, it went ahead after a ruling by the High Court sanctioned the protest. (BBC)
Nominator's comments: Discoveries of such biological stuff in humans are almost always newsworthy, it seems. Putting it under the date of Cell publication. Article is open to further expansion. Brandmeistertalk 11:04, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I don't think hormones are like elements in that there are a finite number (though there likely are a finite number that would appear naturally), but the linkage to various medical conditions in humans can lead to treatments and cures. It is a shame that I can't find anything more mainstream than New Scientist talking about it, sorta failing the "ITN" part, but science news can be useful to include. --MASEM (t) 03:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support because consensus was to post once the resignation became official. Brian Everlasting (talk) 11:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Both bolded articles look good to me. --Jayron32 12:31, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Per preceding comments, previous discussion. Sca (talk) 14:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - thanks for nominating. Banedon (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted per both the previous blurb discussion and a double check that both articles are at quality per above supports. I have not brought the picture in as it doesn't appear to be protected at Commons, but once that's done we should swap that out. --MASEM (t) 14:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The one used in the article will be protected by Krinklebot at 4pm. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
16:00 UTC? (eg about 45 min from when I write this?) I'll replace then if no one else does. --MASEM (t) 15:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to re-appraise the admin instructions. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've been appropriately schooled. Picture updated now. --MASEM (t) 17:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's that easy, thanks to David Levy and Krinklebot. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A magnitude 6.9 earthquake strikes Myanmar 396 kilometers (246 miles) north of the capital, Naypyidaw, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. (AP via CBS News)
The government of Malawi declares a state of emergency across the country over worsening food shortages caused by a severe drought that is affecting much of Southern Africa with about 2.8 million Malawians, or 20% of the population, facing food insecurity. (Al Jazeera)
Indian officials report, with 24 deaths today, the heatwave in the eastern state of Odisha has killed 135 people. Temperatures of 105.5°F (40.8°C) were recorded yesterday at 19 locations across the state. Meteorologists say the heat, an after-effect of El Niño, has delayed the traditional April rains. (UPI)
A number of people were injured in clashes between police and several thousand protestors in Skopje, Macedonia, with demonstrators breaking into PresidentGjorge Ivanov's offices. (RT)
Sport
The World Anti-Doping Agency advises that WADA-accredited laboratories are currently conducting studies on meldoniumexcretion rates since existing data is lacking. Meldonium became a banned substance on January 1, 2016. A large number of athletes, including grand-slam tennis champion Maria Sharapova, had taken the medication in the past, and have tested positive this year. The new data will address how long meldonium stays in the body and determine if athletes were provided a reasonable amount of time to adhere to the new restrictions prior to testing. The drug was used by many Soviet-bloc athletes since the 80s. (Reuters)(WADA)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: If we believe her article, this basketball player " was considered one of the most outstanding female players in history" The Rambling Man (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support will remove the weak if and when the lead is expanded to a complete summary per WP:LEAD. Otherwise, article is tolerable for the main page. Not the best, could use expansion in some areas, but significance is clear, and the article isn't lacking any referencing. --Jayron32 12:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please do so, it is easy to expand the lead, anyone can do that, including you! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I did, along with several other editors. Looking much better. Thanks for the encouragement. --Jayron32 18:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - She is certainly at the top of her field; but I agree that the lead section should be expanded. Blue Adventure (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please do so, it is easy to expand the lead, anyone can do that, including you! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lukewarm support - She's not a particularly well known individual and this is barely in the news. However, I do think being the first woman elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame is pretty impressive. --Bongwarrior (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I never heard of her, but she appears to be an important women's basketball player. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not in the news. Compare with the Golden State Warriors story, for example, which is getting major international coverage. This item hasn't even gotten out of Tennessee. Andrew D. (talk) 20:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Her article indicates she was very important to her field. 331dot (talk) 21:25, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support First female basketball player in the hall of fame gets my vote. Miyagawa (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD, Stephen 23:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] NBA best record
Cleary no consensus to post. --Tone 13:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: No idea how "notable" this truly is in the eyes of Wikipedia, but I thought to nominate it just to see. Andise1 (talk) 06:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sports trivia, best suited for DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But a double maiden over probably isn't? This is the winningest team ever in a major North American sports league (besides the National Football League but I wonder if their 16-0 was just luck. They lost to the weaker Giants only 1 month later after all). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your cricket analogy but good try. Can you point me to the last time we posted a "double maiden over" (and then tell me exactly what one of those is?) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Breaks a 20-year-old record that is unlikely to be bested again soon, and establishes the current Warriors team as one of the greatest of all time (though they still have to win the playoffs to complete their dominance of the season). Dragons flight (talk) 06:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I very rarely support sports articles, but all-time-greatest is obviously in the news, and highly notable. Jusdafax 06:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't see how Americans care about this; I don't see how the world does either. Even as a Californian, it's a great, exciting feeling to have one of the teams to win the best; however, this is just as significant as Kobe's last day, which consensus oppose. Perhaps we should post the same to other sports? George Ho (talk) 07:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Kobe's last day, while sad, is ultimately insignificant in terms of anything being notable. This is a big record broken that will probably not be broken for a while. Even if it is broken sometime soon, the fact that the record was broken after so long makes this significant. Andise1 (talk) 07:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But this means if it's broken next year, we post it again. And again and again. It's really not significant. We have sports leagues all across the world where records are broken every year. This is no different. (As an example, PSG won the French league in "record time" this year, see this report – it's interesting, but ultimately nothing more than sports trivia). The Rambling Man (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't necessarily support posting this now, but it seems unlikely to be broken anytime soon; it took 20 years and they only broke it by a game. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article contains a single unreferenced sentence on this update, which just reiterates the blurb. Have they won the NBA or what? Surely that is more important? JollyΩJanner
Oppose - Poorly referenced sports trivia. Take it DYK. Fgf10 (talk) 07:36, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose - The problem is that, right now, two of the five blurbs on ITN are sports-related. For a new sports-related blurb to be featured then I would require higher-than-normal significance, and I can't consider this record to be that. It's only going to be interesting to followers of NBA, and while basketball is by no means an obscure sport, it's also by no means a sport that captures the imagination of most people (there are only a few that does that - the 100m sprint for example, perhaps the FIFA world cup). On another day when ITN is having trouble with new blurbs and / or when there isn't as much sports-related news, I'd probably have supported this. Banedon (talk) 07:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We have no control over the timing of events; we nominate them as they come. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is the kind of factoid I'd have no trouble including as an aside if the team won the NBA this year ("X wins the 2016 NBA finals, with a record winning record of 73-9") but not if it's just its own item. It's perfectly possible that any sport or league sees a record set in a given season that's separate from the actual winning result and I don't think we want to open the door to posting all of them (and we all know that if we post one, it'll be seen as precedent). GRAPPLEX 07:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support The potential to break the record has been one of the biggest sports stories of the past several months, given the sustained nature of the coverage. Article is of sufficient quality for the main page. --Jayron32 08:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a trivial record with very limited notability that can easily turn irrelevant if they don't win the title. Yet, this could be still posted as a DYK item.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DYK only allows articles that are either newly created, expanded by at least 5-fold in last week, or promoted to GA status in the last week. I can't see how this would be eligible for DYK. Dragons flight (talk) 09:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The article could be expanded or improved to GA status. After all, we're here to improve the encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's 60,000 characters already. I'd say a 5-fold expansion would be unreasonable. As for improving the encyclopedia, I'd say the 160+ people who have worked on documenting the current season have been doing that. If someone doesn't believe this item deserves to be on ITN, then fine. But we shouldn't pretend that this information belongs on a different part of the main page if that other section is even less likely to post it than ITN. Dragons flight (talk) 09:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it's such an incredible documentation effort by so many great people, GA should be simple. Then it can be featured at DYK. It's newsworthiness is really irrelevant, as to whether it's posted today or in a week or month. The "wow" factor is simply that they have a slightly better record than the previous best, but they haven't actually won anything for it yet. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait to see if they get to and win the NBA Finals, where this record could be mentioned if they do. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I don't think that someone would still give a damn about this record after the finals, no matter if they win it or not. The point is that the regular season and the playoffs are two different things, where the former is a sort of qualification for the latter. Put it this way, if the team with the best score after the regular season were the champions, it would definitely make the record score worth including in the blurb. But since the season continues in a different format with fewer teams to go and this record only secures home advantage in the seventh game in each match they will play until the end, it doesn't make much sense to squeeze notability from something that simply doesn't earn it. Perhaps it would be a better option to combine the blurb with records in the playoffs if such happen (e.g. least games played).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the first ever 82-0 I'd consider as that couldn't be beaten, but this seems entirely arbitrary. By all means mention it if we post the conclusion of the season but not on its own. Thryduulf (talk) 09:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, this could be a footnote to the ITNR blurb if they win the finals, if they don't then the record is really meaningless. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it is the statistician in me, but personally, the record for most dominant team in the history of a sport is rather more interesting than who wins the title in any given year. There will be a new title holder every year. but performances like this are much rarer. Stephen Curry and the Warriors are "Breaking The NBA" [7] and showing us a style of play that most people didn't think possible. Stephen Curry has 402 three point baskets this season, which breaks the previous single season record (also held by him) by more than 100 baskets [8]. Their surprising style of play and its undeniable success is likely to change how other teams approach the game for years to come. Whatever happens in the finals, their record setting performance this season is far from "meaningless". Dragons flight (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid it is, certainly to 99% of our readership. If they went undefeated (like The Invincibles (football)) then I'd be more interested, particularly as their invincibility resulted in more than just an update in stats books, it resulted in a trophy. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Kobe's last game
Consensus is clearly against posting this. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Making headlines. Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If 60 pts was a record (it's not) that might be a reason to post, but the retirement of a player is not really an ITN worthy piece. --MASEM (t) 05:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article needs to be updated with far more than just a single sentences for ITN. On second thoughts, this would probably give undue weight in the article. This makes a good news headline, but I don't see how it could work on Wikipedia. Probably best to show more than one news source to show how much coverage it is receiving anyway. Even the LA Times don't give a particularly in depth coverage of the event. JollyΩJanner 05:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sporting statistical trivia. He himself has done better before. And retirement was announced in November 2015. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:01, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The retirement itself is the real story here, isn't it? I'm not outright opposed to posting sports retirements, but they'd have to be ridiculously notable for me to support, like Gretzky/Pelé/Jordan notable, or those among the top two or three players to ever play their respective sport. If we post the retirements of players who were merely excellent, that's a lot of retirements. --Bongwarrior (talk) 06:05, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sports trivia, soon to be forgotten and will have zero long-term impact on anything or anyone anywhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:35, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as is (cut out the points score, just cut it down to "Kobe Bryant plays his last game in the NBA and resigns"), but not totally opposed if someone more knowledgeable about basketball can weigh in. The only sports resignation that we've posted as far as I recall is Sachin Tendulkar, who is without a doubt the greatest cricketer of the era (and an idol to a nation of one billion). I don't know enough about basketball to know whether Bryant is the greatest of his generation - is he? He is the only basketball player I've heard of because of his basketball playing (as opposed to acting or whatever). Smurrayinchester 08:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Smurrayinchester, in answer to your question - well, maybe. He'd be a strong contender - but then you have to consider the likes of LeBron James, Tim Duncan and Shaquille O'Neal. Having said that, I would dispute the suggestion that Tendulkar was "without a doubt" the greatest cricketer of his time - there are plenty of cricket fans who would argue for, say, Muralitharan or Warne instead. So I don't think that the fact that Bryant isn't indisputably the greatest of his generation distinguishes him from Tendulkar. Neljack (talk) 09:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As stated, posting retirements is very rare here, and I don't think Bryant(though close) rises to the high level needed. The aforementioned cricket player was generally seen as the best ever in his sport, which I don't think is the case here. Perhaps if this was the 90s Michael Jordan's final retirement would make it,(or even further back, Wilt Chamberlain) but I don't believe Bryant should. It's also been known he was going to retire for a year now, I believe. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Thanks to portal:current events for this story. My question is: since this was a publicly traded company should this be "publicly owned producer of coal" instead of "privately owned producer of coal?" Brian Everlasting (talk) 01:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As the articles states, they will continue to operate their mines and assets are protected, this is simply an accounting step as to be able to handle debts they currently cannot pay. --MASEM (t) 01:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I changed the original blurb to addresses your concerns. Brian Everlasting (talk) 02:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. An overly indebted company got bit by a fall in prices of their core product? Not exactly a huge shock, and the $11B restructuring is not particularly large in the history of all bankruptcies. There might be an interesting side story related to global warming, natural gas expansion, energy policy, and other side topics on the fall in coal prices, but that's at least two steps removed from the bankruptcy itself, and I don't think that is enough to justify including this. Dragons flight (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose – Symptomatic of the U.S. coal industry; Ch. 11 filing not particularly surprising. Sca (talk) 14:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the difference between a restructuring and a liquidation is an essential one. We don't post robberies and infamous murders under the rubric of "crimes". μηδείς (talk) 02:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: National election, additionally notable for a range of reasons: the upset win that defied all previous opinion polling including the exit poll, the party system upheaval with a new third party, and the problems this poses for President Park. —Nizolan(talk) 22:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not very significant in South Korean; not around the globe either. The President Park Geun-hye is still in control. George Ho (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR probably applies (there's some conceptual subtlety about whether it's a "general" election since the ROK is a presidential system, but the term is widely applied to it in reliable sources (Google "South Korea" "general election")). Anyway, it's odd to claim it's not very significant around the globe when it has received international media coverage for going on a week now (Nikkei, AFP, Economist, all from before the election). —Nizolan(talk) 23:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rescinding my !vote due to ITN/R listing of general elections and mass coverage. I still don't believe it can change a thing. After all, the president is the daughter of the assassinated dictator, and she might do some influence in the future. --George Ho (talk) 23:49, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's significant for the same reason different parties controlling Congress and the presidency is significant in the U.S. (divided government). Her legislative agenda is now impossible, and she's a lame-duck president. Have a look at the Nikkei article I posted above, which talks about the significance of the election. —Nizolan(talk) 23:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC) [reply]
General elections are ITNR so we don't need to address notability. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment added altblurb. A hung parliament isn't really a victory in any sense. Needs a prose summary of the result. Fuebaey (talk) 23:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Fuebaey: I can see the concern with the "victory" phrasing, but the proposed blurb also removes most of the context. Specifically: removing "liberal" is unhelpfully decontextualising, since "Minjoo" will mean nothing to most people, and the upset of previous opinion polls and wider expectations needs to be mentioned. I also think the margin of one seat should be mentioned either way. I've edited my blurb to remove the "victory", let me know what you think. —Nizolan(talk) 23:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support but I think the article would be helped to explain - outside of the lede - why the surprise and the projected impact of the Minjoo's upset victory, if that is going to be part of the blurb. (If was just that the result defied the last public opinion polls, eh, not so much). AltBlurb seems fine otherwise. It's otherwise in good shape from what I can tell. --MASEM (t) 23:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: I added a brief analysis in the Results section of the article touching on and citing these points. There are a wide range of sources using phrases like "surprise", "upset", "crushing" etc. It's difficult to find sources discussing specific impact precisely because nobody expected it until it actually happened, but the general significance is now there and cited. —Nizolan(talk) 00:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, it's probably going to take a few days for any impact analysis to come into line. (I have no knowledge of how this would affect NK/SK relations and subsequently the rest of the world but I could see that being one of those points analyzed). I would be fine with the first blurb now with the explanation this being a surprise result. --MASEM (t) 00:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Quick note: I altered the wording of the last part of my blurb to follow the condensed style of the alternate; I haven't changed the content otherwise. —Nizolan(talk) 02:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Please, anything to get horse racing and golf masters pushed down the page. Articles look good. Brian Everlasting (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think the blurb as it stands is ok because it says plurality which should be clear enough that no majority was won. Brian Everlasting (talk) 08:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: As said, it is the end of a sovereign default that lasted for more than a decade (and 5 presidents since then). Clearly newsworthy. Cambalachero (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Noting that there are a couple CNs in the lede and a few paragraphs in the latter half that are unsourced, overall this looks like a fairly comprehensive article on this debt situation, and once those CNs are fixed, should be ready to go. Topic is definitely of interest and appropriate for ITN. --MASEM (t) 18:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I found the updated information in the article, but it would be nice if it were added to the lead and/or made more prominent (such as a section header) so that readers could find the update easier. But it's there, and the article is in good shape, I see a few CNs in the lead, but the article is essentially completely referenced in the body. Ideally, the CNs would be resolved, and the update made a bit more prominent, but it's not in bad shape right now. --Jayron32 18:30, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have fixed the two citation needed tags (they were referenced elsewhere in the article), and mentioned the end of the default at the end, linking to the section. Cambalachero (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks pretty clear to me. Banedon (talk) 07:39, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support but I don't understand why the blurb pipes "pay the holdouts." I would like a blurb without any pipes better so I could understand it. Brian Everlasting (talk) 07:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Have added altblurbs. I personally hate turns of phrase like "Argentina agrees to..." when "The Argentine government agrees to..." is meant, but maybe that's unavoidable for length reasons. Smurrayinchester 08:05, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry for the mistake, but the default was declared in 2001, not 2002 (December 23, 2001, to be precise), so it was 15 years ago. The article was mistaken in that detail, and I confused it with the end of the convertibility law, which was also part of the crisis of the time but a completely different issue. Cambalachero (talk) 12:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly not happening. Banedon (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment It turns out the decision was made because the accused rapist is transgender (biologically female but had lived as a man since she was 16, and had even "married" two women). Don't know the exact wording of the court ruling, but I think the blurb should clarify that. Brandmeistertalk 07:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose a backward-thinking set of policies just got tweaked. That they do not even acknowledge the concept of male rape (...rape is narrowly defined under S375, Penal Code as the penile penetration of a vagina...) underscores a failure to get with the program. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - It's... bizarre. But I'm not sure whether or not that in itself is newsworthy.--WaltCip (talk) 12:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – This such an anomalous case that it doesn't pose wider significance. Rather a straw in the wind. Sca (talk) 14:47, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this is an instance of a court telling a legislature to update some laws. Abductive (reasoning) 16:51, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not seeing a substantive update in the highlighted article that makes the blurb stand out. --Jayron32 16:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Please note that rape is defined differently around the world, even in the US. Rape used to be narrowly defined as coercive sexual intercourse committed by a man on a woman in several jurisdictions, and still does in some. As the West became more sexually liberal, laws were introduced to address the complex issue of sexual assaults. In some places, a term that was used to describe a specific crime began to encompass an entire spectrum of sexual assaults. Others went a step further and got rid of the phrase "rape" altogether.
This case did not involve legal rape in Singapore, let alone the High Court deciding on whether it did or did not occur. The accused was charged with sexual penetration of a minor, i.e. sexual assault on a person under the age of consent, and seems to have been acquitted on a technicality - a legal loophole. The suggested article does not mention the case or even list the section of the law involved - s. 376AFuebaey (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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