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| article = 2018 Douma chemical attack <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2 = World War III<!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
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| sources =[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-un-russia/russia-says-it-warned-u-s-of-grave-repercussions-if-syria-attacked-idUSKBN1HG30L Reuters] <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
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| nom cmt = [https://www.ft.com/content/35e249d8-3c09-11e8-b9f9-de94fa33a81e General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff of the Russian armed forces, publicly warned last month that Russia would strike back against the US if Washington targeted government-controlled territory in Syria.
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====[Posted] 2018 Masters Tournament====
====[Posted] 2018 Masters Tournament====

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April 9

April 9, 2018 (2018-04-09) (Monday)
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Russia threatens nuclear attack against Western targets over possible intervention in Syria

Articles: 2018 Douma chemical attack (talk · history · tag) and World War III (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia threatens nuclear attack against Western targets over possible intervention in Syria (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Nominator's comments: [https://www.ft.com/content/35e249d8-3c09-11e8-b9f9-de94fa33a81e General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff of the Russian armed forces, publicly warned last month that Russia would strike back against the US if Washington targeted government-controlled territory in Syria.

] Count Iblis (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2018 Masters Tournament

Article: 2018 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Patrick Reed wins the Masters Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Compy90 (talk) 09:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Senator Tammy Duckworth

SNOW CLOSE: Good faith nom, but there is no chance this will be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tammy Duckworth (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tammy Duckworth is the first United States Senator to give birth while in office. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
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 llywrch (talk) 20:08, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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April 8

April 8, 2018 (2018-04-08) (Sunday)
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[Posted] RD Michael Goolaerts

Article: Michael Goolaerts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Telegraaf (in Dutch)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Referencing needs improvement, couple of paras are unreferenced. Mjroots (talk) 09:27, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian parliamentary election, 2018

Article: Hungarian parliamentary election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Parliamentary elections in Hungary are being held. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Ongoing parliamentary elections in Hungary. In the preceding weeks there was a grassroots campaign to get people to vote for the candidate most likely to defeat Fidesz in the given constituency; though it is not likely that Fidesz will lose the election, it will probably show that more and more people are fed up with it. – Alensha talk 17:56, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Douma chemical attack

Article: 2018 Douma chemical attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A suspected chemical weapons attack in Douma, Syria kills at least 70 people. (Post)
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Nominator's comments: BBC, CBS and CNN are all covering this. Obviously a stub since it’s a breaking developing headline, but going to be in the news especially if the death toll rises above the alrighty high 70. 71.184.132.103 (talk) 15:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait - there's fairly little detail about the attack itself (where exactly, with what, when, etc.) and this might have to wait. Once fixed Strong support - even by Syrian Civil War standards this is highly abnormal. Juxlos (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as it stands. This is never going to fly folks, every genuine reliable source is adding "alleged" or "purported" or "apparent" as a caveat to the event itself. What might swing it is simply that at least 70 people were killed (although I heard on the radio [BBC] that this was a very low estimate) in this attack. It's indisputably in the news, and indisputably a significant act, we just need to get the blurb right without wandering into POV or speculation. Article is sufficient in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. "Alleged" or "apparent" or even "suspected" can easily be added to the blurb. Can we be less precise about the number of deaths? BBC is hedging on 70 vs 48 by calling it "dozens". Espresso Addict (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Well that's where you're plain wrong. If we add "alleged" or "apparent" or "suspected", no-one will support this nomination. That's very much how ITN works. With all the experience I have here, I should know...... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just because absurd decisions have been made in the past... I'd support with that sort of wording if the article can be got into posting quality. We make ITN a laughing stock when we apparently ignore important encyclopedic news in favour of posting sports/election results & transport accidents. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not really about "absurd" decisions, it's really about the uncertainty and then the liability. We don't tend to post "it may be this" kind of stories, and we certainly wouldn't post this as a de facto "chemical attack", so all we have now to get this onto the main page is an single attack which has killed dozens in Syria. And that's considered "plus ca change". The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think User:The Rambling Man continues to make excellent arguments. I would argue that the evidence is overwhelming that "A chemical weapons attack in Douma, Syria kills at least 70 people." is unquestionably true. However, there may also be good reasons not to post this particular blurb. For example, a pacifist may want to avoid drawing attention to an event that may lead the United States into world war 3. Brian Everlasting (talk) 23:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the president of that country might have noticed already. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose minus "background" and "reactions" it's a stub. Personally I'm tired of the phrase "anti government activists" in the Syrian civil war articles. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:45, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support: Al Jazeera did not used the "alleged" tone when discussing the incident and some other more recent articles have followed suit, though older stories are still more popular in searches. As further news breaks, some wording may change. United Nations emergency meeting is to be held regarding the situation.----ZiaLater (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle It's not a stub. The article has 2500 characters of prose, which is a start class. It'll be expanded and it's minimally long enough now. The "background" section does and should count to the total, since obviously the background matters to why a chemical attack would happen here. The "reactions" are bulleted so they don't count to the character count. Obviously that POV tag needs to be dealt with first. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as this is part of a larger event that is already listed as ongoing. or rather, we could just remove the other if we choose to post this. GCG (talk) 11:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. If you take out the BG and the reactions section, there's hardly anything about the actual "event" (attack or whatever it will be considered). I agree the BG section is needed, but it should not dominate, and reaction sections like the one here are highly discouraged, it should not be a quotefarm but actual reactions, such as medical or military aid being offered, etc. As such, it is far too stubby to post. --Masem (t) 14:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 7

April 7, 2018 (2018-04-07) (Saturday)
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  • Brenna Spencer, a female supporter of Donald Trump, goes viral after carrying a handgun in her pants while taking a photo. (Yahoo! News)

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Bundesliga

Article: 2017–18 Bundesliga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Bayern Munich win the Bundesliga. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Having looked in the archive, there seems to be a consensus that the Bundesliga is notable enough to post, but that as with most season articles it usually ends up as a field of statistics. I added a reasonably long prose summary of the season in advance. Harambe Walks (talk) 23:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose What archive are you looking at? It was nominated, but not posted last year. I think that was the only time it was even nominated. It has been mentioned in a few football nomination threads, but mostly dismissively – Muboshgu (talk) 02:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • To be clear, I am opposing because this is a lower tiered league than the Premier League, soccer is already sufficiently represented at ITN/R, such as with the Champions League, as mentioned by GCG, and the article isn't that great. It's one short section of prose followed by a ton of tables. One specific issue is "clean sheets". The term is used once, in a section header, and never defined. Not everyone knows what one of those is. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not "lower tiered league"; it's the top league in Germany just as the EPL is the top league in England. It may not have as high a profile or as many TV viewers worldwide, but that's a different thing. And it should be fairly trivial to wikilink Shutout#Association football somewhere.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • American football and baseball have no such terms, everything from safety to RBI is clearly obvious. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • Whenever I write about RBIs, I link to run batted in to provide the necessary context to our readers. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • Indeed, so you actually already know that this "specific reason" is really nothing to even be noted here, and something that the addition of, what, 14 extra bytes would solve in a jiffy? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
              • It is a bit ironic to see someone who argued for the inclusion of the NCAA football national champion on grounds like cultural significance dismiss this so easily. This is a top tier domestic league. Bayern is among the best club teams on earth(really hate to say that, cannot stand them lol), unlike the NCAA national champion which is worlds apart from the top of the game. The german league is among the strongest in europe, probably world wide, as well. It is culturally significant, it is domestic top tier, has high attendance, the winner of the league is among the best teams on earth and the quality of the league is easily in the top 5 world wide i would say, probably top 3 even. So if you oppose this Muboshgu, will you oppose next years college football final as well? 91.248.254.186 (talk) 21:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article appears to be reasonably well referenced and the Bundesliga is a significant competition. It has the highest average attendance of any league in the world and UEFA rates it as the second best in Europe based on Champions League performance. Capitalistroadster (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Domestic football is a big deal. The point at which a league is sufficiently notable for ITN posting is arbitrary, but for me La Liga, the English Premiership and the Bundesliga (in that order) are the three that are above that line. 2017–18_Bundesliga#Summary appears to be adequate prose in the article. --LukeSurl t c 14:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose My concern isn't that this is a domestic league; it's that the Champions League, which is the premier event for these clubs, is ITNR already. GCG (talk) 15:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm just seeing "I don't like it", the Bundesliga is probably in the top three football leagues in the world, and football has a global audience of billions, so this will be of interest to a vast number of our readers across the continents of our planet. Probably more so than college basketball I would guess....... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question is this the "top of the sport"? I thought the UEFA Champions League was that -- if that's the case, this is a simple qualifier. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:59, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Why does it need to be "top of the sport" to feature as a normal ITN? Is "top of the sport" a new ITN criterion I've missed?? I've never heard anything so preposterous in my highly experienced life. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    The Champions League is, despite its name, actually a knock-out competition, not directly comparable to individual countries' leagues.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    So the "top tier" of European football is the UEFA? Or are those just demonstration games? Im honestly trying to understand -- because I don't know. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Teams compete in domestic leagues, such as the Premier League in England, or the Bundesliga in Germany. These events are organised on a domestic scale, not by UEFA. Then, based on how well they performed in the preceding season, teams enter the UEFA Champions League, where they play against other European clubs initially in a league, and subsequently (i.e. now) in knockout football. However, clubs spend the vast majority of their time playing in the domestic league - 38 games as opposed to about a dozen in the Champions League, so they should not be ignored. Winning the domestic league is a big deal, however, suffice it to say, and warrants attention at ITN. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So there are 55 member countries in the UEFA .. subject to article quality are all of their championships a big deal suitable for posting to ITN? --LaserLegs (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously not. It is our job to determine which ones do, and I would not consider the answer to be "one of them". Stormy clouds (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - prominent European league, of significant interest to our readership. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose With association football being as big as it is, we purposes have whats at ITNR to limit how many stories in this area that would come up at ITNR. As there are more significant tourneys in that region that include Germany, we should focus on that, rather than the nationals. --Masem (t) 17:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    This is one of the stranger arguments I've seen here. We don't limit our number of American gun crime stories, the consensus to post or otherwise makes that self-limiting. We don't have ITNR to limit stories, we have it to accept stories which have been endlessly debated. That we post the Premier League knocks this other "significant tourneys" debate into the long grass. According to that, we'd only ever post the winner of the Champions League, which we don't. And since football truly global and watched by literally billions, I think we're all able to accept that a few extra stories about it here will do Wikipedia no harm at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    False. Stories about gun violence in America are routinely opposed as being routine. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    What? "the consensus to post or otherwise makes that self-limiting." completely 100% true. How odd. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. Nothing odd about it. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) There is a difference between what we can plan and what we can't. We're not going to cap, say, hurricane disasters if there's 10 that strike and made deadly landfall, but we're still discrimating towards hurricanes with minimal damage or impact and certainly not posting every hurricane that forms. But when we have events we can plan on, one of the considerations at ITNR is how many stories in that topic area are generated per year. We try to avoid over-saturation where we can in any one specific topic area, and in a case where we have a tiered sport like these European leagues, we have to make a concerted effort of drawing a line to avoid excessive coverage of incremental elements. And while I do see the ITNR suggests only adding three specific national events in addition to the Premiere League on the bases those four have assured slots, I still think it becomes a bias issue if we're not including the other 30-some national results, but at the same time ITN can't handle those 30-some blurbs. --Masem (t) 19:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Who said 30-some? I think the absolute most ever proposed was three or four? Wild extrapolation doesn't help anything. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree with The Rambling Man. It's not bias to only choose the leagues which are ranked the highest, and have other visible advantages over the others (attendance, TV audience, global column inches, commercial investments). I don't think any Welshman, Irishman, Gibraltarian, Andorran, Sammarinese, Luxembourger etc would legitimately question Wikipedia neutrality if their national league was excluded. Harambe Walks (talk) 20:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - please see ITN/R proposal, so that we can solve the significance argument now and put the perennial debate to bed for a while. Thanks, Stormy clouds (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Soccer is the most important thing in the world. The article has a well referenced wall of tables, a brief prose summary which is also sourced. Open wide for some soccer! --LaserLegs (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Lula imprisoned

Imprisonment is a normal progression from sentencing, which was posted. Stephen 02:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (talk · history · tag) and Operation Car Wash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, convicted of corruption charges, begins serving a twelve-year prison sentence. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, CNN, BBC
Credits:

First article updated, second needs updating
 Davey2116 (talk) 00:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Former head of state of Brazil. Jusdafax (talk) 00:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose solely on article quality. Referencing is quite poor on the BLP and has gaps on the other article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We already posted when he was convicted (last July). While the circumstances here are a bit odd - he missed a court date to turn himself in and spend two days hiding before he turned himself in - we don't usually cover when sentences of established convinctions start. --Masem (t) 01:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: As said, we have already covered this when he was sentenced. The sentence turning into actual prison is just a trivial consequence; Lula was not detained back then because the lawyers were delaying it with their tricks. This may had been newsworthy if the PT insisted to "resist" the arrest and the whole thing turned into an open conflict for some days, or something like that (and then justifying a specific article), but that was not the case. He resisted the arrest for just some hours, and then gave up without major incidents. Cambalachero (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Has been previously included ITN.----ZiaLater (talk) 23:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Yaser Murtaja

Article is at AfD. If it survives the deletion process this nom can be re-opened. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Yaser Murtaja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only had a cursory glance at the article but it seems to be in good shape. 88.111.218.152 (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] 2018 Münster vehicle ramming

No consensus. Stephen 07:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 Münster vehicle ramming (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A driver rams a van into a crowd in Münster, Germany, killing two people and injuring at least 20. (Post)
News source(s): LATimes, NYTimes, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Developing story, article is stub but details certainly expected in short term. Masem (t) 17:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Humboldt Broncos bus crash

Article: Humboldt Broncos bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A crash involving a bus carrying a junior ice hockey team has killed at least 14 people and critically injured three others in Saskatchewan, Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A crash involving a bus carrying the Humboldt Broncos junior ice hockey team kills at least 15 people in Saskatchewan, Canada.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: 14 people (I believe all teenagers) died. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I have serious doubts about the notability of this topic. While it is undoubtedly getting a lot of immediate attention, I suspect that this is not going to pass SUSTAINED and I'm not seeing the long term significance of this, admittedly tragic event. Once again we have people rushing to create articles about whatever is in the news w/o consideration for whether the subject is likely to meet our guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have opened a discussion on the article's talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I am withdrawing my oppose. After spending some time looking at traffic safety (and death) statistics for developed countries I now believe that the number of fatalities in this case is so far outside the norm as to establish notability. That said I do think we should have a discussion about setting some kind of rough guidelines about disaster related nominations. But that is a separate issue. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Top of my news feed this morning. It's in the news. So was a prison fire in Venezuela, a mall fire in Russia, a shooting in France, a suicide bombing in Afghanistan, a package bomber in the USA (very briefly, as we know, the USA sucks), a plane crash in Nepal, a fire in Azerbaijan, and a terrorist attack in Burkina Faso. A bridge collapse in Miami was not posted. That's just for March. Yes WP:OSE but in the absence of WP:MINIMUMDEATHS Opposes should explain what (other than happening in Canada) makes this tragedy any different from the endless parade of utterly irrelevant barely above stub disaster stories pushed to ITN on a weekly basis. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
With the likely exception of the terrorist bombing, I think I can see arguments for the long term significance of most of the events you cited. This looks like a really awful traffic accident to me. But that's pretty much all I'm seeing right now. Maybe some new highway safety regulations will emerge from this, but at the moment I'm not seeing that as likely. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Long term significance of a prison fire in Venezuela? Really? Five years from now that article will be within 50 words of what it is today. I think these disaster stories are totally over-represented at ITN, but rather than editorialize, I rely simply on them being "in the news". Wanna stop it? (I DO!) start an RFC. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A bad fire in a prison almost always has long term significance. Even if there is no call for safety reform, which given the current political situation in the workers paradise that is Venezuela, does seem unlikely; it has already become part of the broader story about that country's slide into far left authoritarian dictatorship. I have no real doubts about its notability. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support given that this is the kind of stuff that gets usually posted (+ various sports events), this one should be posted, too. In the meantime, we keep ignoring the really important developments (Saudi-Arabia, Ethiopia etc. etc.). Daily Mail, not an encyclopedia. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:B40E:B531:60CB:8185 (talk) 15:12, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cpmment I have no real opinion on posting this or not, but as a general note regarding notability or otherwise I recommend examining the public domain highways accident reports over many decades from the US National Transportation Safety Board. The bottom line being when you get a very large mass casualty vehicle accident in a developed nation you can usually expect lasting significance because there tend to be regulatory proposals and the like come out of them, many of which go on to become actual laws. Not that it's guaranteed to be the case by any means but it's worth having at the back of one's mind. -- BobTheIP editing as 88.111.218.152 (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I fail to see the long-term impact. Who cares?Zigzig20s (talk) 17:37, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Large death toll for a vehicular accident; comparable to the 2018 Hong Kong bus accident, which we posted without question. Notability is boosted by the fact that it involved a notable sports team. EternalNomad (talk) 18:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per EternalNomad. Article quality is sufficient. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support although I admit I am slightly biased as I'm one of the editors working on the article. The article is currently sufficient and will be expanded once more information is released (the victims names are slowly being released, for example, but they won't be added until confirmed by a better source than Twitter). With regards to the argument about this event's notability, I don't believe it has merit. This event meets the WP:GNG and will almost certainly have longstanding repercussions for the community, province, team and hockey league. Perhaps not world-changing effects, but effects nevertheless. It is also well in-line with other minor events that have received articles and been posted to ITN. --PlasmaTwa2 19:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in good shape and is certainly in the news. GrossesWasser (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support the juxtaposition of a large road traffic accident in somewhere like Canada, combined with the drastic loss of a large proportion of a single sporting team, makes this notable enough for me. The article is sufficient, the blurb, however, is not. It needs to link in bold text the target article, and the most recent update is that 15 people have sadly died. Other than that, it's good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I see consensus for this but there needs to be a reference for the updated death toll. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict:  Done I added one. --BobTheIP editing as 88.111.218.152 (talk) 23:20, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think Black Kite and I tried to post it at the same time. :) 331dot (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Me too! Espresso Addict (talk) 01:12, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted to Ongoing] Ongoing: 2018 Gaza border protests

Article: 2018 Gaza border protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I suggest this article be added to the ongoing section. -- BobTheIP editing as 88.111.218.152 (talk) 11:43, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 6

April 6, 2018 (2018-04-06) (Friday)
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RD: Daniel Akaka

Article: Daniel Akaka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Needs more sourcing, I know – Muboshgu (talk) 20:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment there are a lot of problems right now, and unfortunately I won't be able to do any work to fix it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:39, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I'm troubled by the fact that the detail of his wife's name (Millie Akaka in the legend, Mary Chong in the infobox) is unclear and his marriage isn't mentioned in the text. Not itself necessarily a huge problem but I think it's indicative of a patchy article with big gaps in coverage. Many achievements mentioned in obits are not in the article, giving undue weight to the Time article assessment. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD:Cecil Taylor

Article: Cecil Taylor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Key figure in free jazz and avant garde music. Article looks in good shape. yorkshiresky (talk) 16:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Agree, do not seem to be any sourcing issues. Discography is at a separate article. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Former S. Korean President sentenced to 24 years for corruption

Article: Park Geun-hye (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former South Korean President Park Geun-hye is sentenced to 24 years in prison for corruption. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times etc.
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former head of state in a major developed country gets a prison sentence rivaling what many get for murder. This does not happen every day. Referencing needs work. Ad Orientem (talk) 13:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it needs work. FTR I added most of those CN tags. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 5

April 5, 2018 (2018-04-05) (Thursday)
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[Posted] RD: Frederick D. Reese

Article: Frederick D. Reese (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Selma Times-Journal
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Civil rights icon. Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Isao Takahata

Article: Isao Takahata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! JP (not translated) The Nerdist
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Studio Ghibli. Unfortunately article is chock-full of cn's which have been there for a while. Hoping that a good obit from the west will be picked up for this. Masem (t) 23:50, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose. It is in a terrible state, orange tags on every section aside from the lead itself for over two years. It's going to need just about a complete re-write to even begin to approach front page standards. It's a depressing sight. Challenger l (talk) 11:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eric Bristow

Article: Eric Bristow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Independent
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Best darts player in history before Phil Taylor. Legend. Two legends in three days. RIP. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I started trying to source the first sentence in the body (winning the 1980 Championship against Bobby George) and got bogged down really quickly. If I can't plug in sources like I'm felling trees on this one, it's not going to happen unless everyone pitches in. At the moment, people seem to be fiddling around the wording (and in some instances adding even more unsourced content!), that's great, but for a BLP (which technically this is of course), it's the referencing that's the priority. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have a pre-dawn start, but perhaps I can join back in on my own nom (cue cheers from the maniacal peanut tossers) tomorrow. Buenos noches. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Remove Ongoing: Turkish military operation in Afrin

Article: Turkish military operation in Afrin (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: While there have been government statements and the arrest of protesters in Istanbul, the last action of the operation itself noted in the article was March 21. Apologies if I'm missing something. GCG (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

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RD: Johnny Valiant

Article: Johnny Valiant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former WWE wrestler, manager and television star. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Meh Sourcing isn't so good and there are POV problems. But as a guy who likes to inform people about wrestling history and was pinged here, I feel compelled to say go for it. Nothing jumps out as blatantly false (though I'm no Johnny V expert). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:41, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose The career section needs a lot more referencing work.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Ray Wilkins

Article: Ray Wilkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: RIP Butch. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Ongoing: 2018 Commonwealth Games

Not happening, and we've now posted the opening of the games, so this is probably best off closed. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2018 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag) and Chronological summary of the 2018 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the major sporting events of the year. CWG was posted to Ongoing in 2014. 61.2.7.73 (talk) 14:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment target article has some referencing issues, and isn't suitable for ongoing because it's not getting regular updates. If there is a medals article or something then nominate that. Or if you want, nom the opening for a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not getting regular updates because all that's happened so far is the opening ceremony. That was last night. It's 8:20 am on the first day of competition right now. Not many medals awarded so far. Please give it time. HiLo48 (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

:* Agreed. There will obviously be continuous updates so it's a no-brainer for ongoing but no obejctions to posting it as a blurb first. Black Kite (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] 2018 Commonwealth Games

Article: 2018 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Commonwealth Games opens in Gold Coast, Australia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The above ongoing nomination appears to be fatally flawed by going for ongoing when a blurb would be better, and pointing to two low-quality articles rather than the "top-level" 2018 Commonwealth Games article. This top-level article is the primary thing readers will be interested in (rather than the opening ceremony) and links to the cascade of sub-articles on the different events to meet the readers' specific interests. It appears to be adequate with no referencing or other tags. Please note there is discussion above regarding a blurb, all positive. LukeSurl t c 13:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Blurb is definitely better than ongoing in this case. However, the article does not appear updated, nothing about the opening ceremony, for example (I know there is a separate article, but even that one is very short). --Tone 13:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 3

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  • Following the bankruptcy of UK engineering outsourcing firm Carillion, the Official Receiver reveals more than half of the roughly 20,000 employees have found new jobs. (Sky News)
  • UK retailer Conviviality, owner of Bargain Booze, says it intends to appoint administrators within ten days. (Citywire)

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  • The WWF describes Germany's rivers as being in a state "bordering on critical" after it emerges more than 90% do not meet European Union standards for cleanliness and ecological quality. (The Local)

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[Closed] YouTube headquarters shooting

(Non-administrator-closing) At this point I don't foresee consensus. No deaths beside perpetrator, no lasting impact - an ideal handling of a situation that involved minimal deaths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydian (talk • contribs)

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Article: YouTube headquarters shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A shooting occurred in San Bruno, California at the headquarters of Youtube, injuring 5 with the shooter Nasim Aghdam commting suicide at the scene. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting at YouTube's San Bruno, California, headquarters injures five.
News source(s): [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: High profile mass shooting in the USA at a well known business and a high level of media coverage. This is part of a series of high profile shootings. The story is also unique due to the nature of the perpetrator and the business targeted. WTKitty (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And her videos were taken down. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:12, April 5, 2018 (UTC)
  • Snow close.--WaltCip (talk) 10:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I know we don't usually post items with a low number of casualties, but there are unusual circumstances here - a female shooter and a high-profile company targeted.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow close 100% domestic non-terrorism related incident, fails basic ITN for such events. --Masem (t) 14:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support News sources are covering the story in detail, article is of sufficient depth and quality and referencing looks good. --Jayron32 14:09, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nowhere in ITN criteria does it say we reject news for having too low a death toll, or being domestic terrorism, or what have you. This is in the news and it's a quality article. Opposers are forgetting the purpose of ITN is to promote good, updated content on items that are in the news. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have to be fully aware of the media affect here, and remember that Youtube is part of the media community. They are of course going to highlight this big time, but this is nothing at all close to the Charlie Hebdo shooting from a few years back. There's a huge media bias in why this story is being covered as deeply as it is, is that it affected one of the media's "own". If this was any other random workplace without the name "YouTube", the coverage would be non-existent. --Masem (t) 14:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is not importance perceived of event x. The criteria is set out for ITN, and that is is there reliable, in-depth news coverage of an event. Comparison to other similar events has zero bearing on this nomination. All nominations are held on their own merits not on a scale of comparison. WTKitty (talk) 14:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • ITN is not a news ticker. We do curate to avoid bias created by media . --Masem (t) 14:34, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • That's right. Which is why we evaluate article quality and merely use the news to decide if people are likely to be hearing about this story outside of Wikipedia. By trying to "curate" the list based on your own views of what should, and should not, be important, you are treating this as a news ticker. You are merely trying to curate your own news ticker and control what stories people do and don't see based on your own editorial opinion of what we should and should not find important. That's a news ticker. If instead we just put up good articles about current events that's what we should be doing. "I don't think the news should cover this" is not a criteria for ITN. Bias is not avoided by refusing to acknowledge work created by Wikipedia editors just because you don't like where those editors live. Two biases are not a correction. Instead, just write articles yourself from underrepresented areas. --Jayron32 14:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • Actually, the point here is that gun crime occurs all the time in the US, and in this case only one person died, the perp. That it happened at YouTube is trivia. The event is borderline trivia, probably better covered in a long list of this year's shootings. Posting this would actively open floodgates for every single trivial gun event in the US that receives a day's news coverage. Which would be junk. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • If we strictly only went by media coverage and a sufficient update to an article for quality, then ITN would be flooded by Trump-related stories. We have to recognize that the media has its own focus that is different from the goals of an encyclopedia. We do need to curate, and understand that even if a story is the leading headline for all major papers, it may not be appropriate for Wikipedia (NOT#NEWS still exists and is still consider valid) nor ITN's front page, even if the update and quality to the article are there. We try to avoid geographical biases, but we also need to try to avoid topic-area biases too that are generated by the media. This is one of those cases. --Masem (t) 14:48, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
              • This is larger than just "gun crime in the U.S.", as it is a female shooter (you have to acknowledge how rare that is) and that it's (apparently) over the issue of the monetization of her videos. So many U.S. shootings don't get articles, let alone nominated here at ITN. Sometimes, they're worth posting. Like Parkland, Newtown, Sutherland Springs, and I think this too. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
                • How does the shooter being female impact the newsworthiness of the story, other than that it's a statistical anomaly? Answer: It doesn't. The conclusion is still the same - guns are ridiculously easy to get a hold of in the U.S., and mass shootings are pervasively frequent as a result.--WaltCip (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
                  • And that right there brings us back to the crux of the matter: U.S.-related stories are being rejected by editors not on their merits, but on the idea that mass shootings are "pervasively frequent". Not all of them are nominated, but somehow, their frequency means they all need to be rejected? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
                    • And right there you hit the nail on the head again, we have lists and lists of mass shootings, this one is not unique, is not interesting, is not important, is not going to change anything, and will be forgotten in moments. We don't reject them all by any means, that's an absurd accusation. Promoting this is the quickest way to junk ITN with a proliferation of totally meaningless shoot-em-up's in the United States on the main page. Perhaps start an American Wikipedia where you could have a mass shooting ticker instead? It would be frequently updated, like another RD line? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I may support the nomination, but the reasons of this incident are not elaborated. The article says that she claims that Youtube "demonetized most of her videos", and that can be easily understood as an action over an individual user. Actually, the requirements of AdSense have changed: before, you needed to have a channel with at least 10,000 views in total, now you need 4,000 hours of watch time in the last year and at least 1,000 subscribers. A significant number of Youtube video creators do not meet those draconian requirements and ceased to receive monetization; this woman was just one of them. Of course, it does not justify her, but it gives context. See here: How YouTube creators get paid for ads and why some have been angry. Cambalachero (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow Close no long term impact. SamaranEmerald (talk) 15:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can people please stop saying "snow close"? That's not going to happen when there are four supports so far.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:04, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is it happened at Youtube. Millions (maybe hundreds of millions?) of people use youtube every day. That makes it more ITN-worthy in my opinion. The only real argument for not posting it may be that we obviously don't want to encourage copycats. We may need to have a real conversation about this--what does law enforcement think--should we avoid "promoting" these stories? But they are all over the newspapers.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Widespread news coverage does not automatically mean this event warrants an ITN post, as there is no formal criteria. I have seen posts make it to ITN with barely any coverage, and get posted. Likewise, there have been countless times where events on the ITN nominations received international coverage, yet failed to get posted on the bulletin. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 16:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the point I'm making at all. I'm saying Youtube makes it ITN-worthy IMO.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This would set a very dangerous precedent into posting any shooting that happens around the world. We generally only post shootings/attacks with significant casualties or large ramifications (such as the Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, or the assassination of a major political figure), and I don't think this meets either. EternalNomad (talk) 18:36, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, minor shooting, no long-term impact. Kaldari (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I was pleasantly surprised when I saw soon after the shooting that no one had tried to ITN it. I guess my surprise was too soon. This is a minor incident. Things like this happen all the time. The only person dead was the shooter. Natureium (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, and the absolutely incredible (and by that I mean it in its literal sense) thing is that we have two admins voting in favour of posting it. Seriously. Who's watching the watchmen these days? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, and for the record, contrary to what one of these admins has claimed (Opposers are forgetting the purpose of ITN is to promote good, updated content on items that are in the news), some of us are all too aware of what should and should not go onto ITN, and while this article might be of decent quality, the news item it relates to is trivial and of limited interest to a handful of individuals in a small region on the planet who can't control themselves and their guns. Instantly forgettable fodder. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] April 2018 North American storm complex

No consensus for this. Neutralitytalk 02:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: April 2018 North American storm complex (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Major snowstorms have occurred as a result of the storm complex (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]
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[Posted] RD: Lill-Babs

Article: Lill-Babs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13], [14]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BabbaQ (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice work.

April 2018 caste protests in India

Article: April 2018 caste protests in India (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine people have died amid violent protests involving tens of thousands of protesters from the Dalit (formerly untouchable) community across India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The SC/ST caste groups violently protested across India against the Supreme Court order on the Atrocities Act.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Nine people have died amid violent protests involving tens of thousands of protesters from the SC/ST caste groups across India.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Affecting most major cities. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:33, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 2

April 2, 2018 (2018-04-02) (Monday)
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  • China–United States relations
  • South Africa's Winnie Madikizela-Mandela OLS, also known as Winnie Mandela dies.Winnie Mandela was a South African anti-apartheid activist and politician, and the ex-wife of Nelson Mandela and a well respected ANC Stalwart.

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[Posted] RD: Connie Lawn

Article: Connie Lawn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: White House correspondent. Article has been updated and appears to be well referenced. Dumelow (talk) 18:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose It's basically a stub. For someone with a 50-year career I would expect there to be enough out there for a little expansion. If this could be done I will switch to support.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Switching to Support as Dumelow has added some more career details as I requested - thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair to Pawnkingthree it was shorter when I nominated it, I have since expanded the article - Dumelow (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Very good then. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament

Article: 2018 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, Villanova defeats Michigan to win the NCAA Men's Championship. (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support –Article in decent shape and updated. Item is ITNR, this looks ready to go. –Ammarpad (talk) 03:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as per other sport ITNRs we need a better /larger summary of the game; additionally, factors such as broadcaster, estimated audiance, etc. should also be included. --Masem (t) 03:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • References needed on many tables, heats, and broadcasts. Stephen 03:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: the NCAA Women's Tournament should be included. It was last year. — Wyliepedia @ 06:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Last year's women's was significant because it halted Connecticut's 111-game winning streak. If this year's is not ready, especially since the women's is not in the ITNR either, it should not hold up the nomination.—Bagumba (talk) 12:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting the Men's Tournament once it is judged to be ready. I strongly oppose posting the Women's Tournament because it's just not that big of a deal even in America. It should not have been posted last year, either. Lepricavark (talk) 14:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I see no reason not to include the Woman's results (though that game also has need of updates). It is standard practice that if there are both men's and women's divisions of a sport finale happening effectively at the same time that we should post both. I know the Women's NCAA has nowhere close to the viewership of the Men's, but if we're posting the Men's, it's systematic bias to not post the Women's that ended the day before. --Masem (t) 14:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not systemic bias to refrain from posting something that is not receiving sufficient attention even in its own country. The reality is that the Women's Tournament does not receive nearly the same level of news coverage as the Men's Tournament. Most American sports fans don't care about the Women's Tournament and it would be an insult to our readers to pretend otherwise. Lepricavark (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The tournaments started and ended on different days and occurred in different locations(The final games were in Columbus, Ohio for the women and San Antonio, Texas for the men) I usually take "simultaneous" to mean the same time in the same location. 331dot (talk) 20:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I understand what "simultaneous" means, but I allowed it some latitude because clearly those who added it to ITNR meant, in spirit, "in the same timeframe", like the Boat Race (yeah, yeah) where the women's race takes place an hour before the men's, that's not simultaneous but it it was is meant. I very much doubt that any sporting contest holds a men's and women's final simultaneously per the dicdef, so we need to use our common sense here. I'm not sure why the location is relevant in the slightest. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I guess my view is that the locations(in this case, not even the same state) suggest that we are talking about two different events. But I don't feel particularly strongly about it. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well clearly they're two different events (like the two different senior Boat Races), they just aren't collocated. If we need to change the wording at ITNR, then I suggest you make a proposal, because right now there's nothing really (barring the use of common sense) to exclude the women's final, apart from all the personal opinions above. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Thanks 331dot (talk) 22:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Common sense should be a good enough reason to refrain from posting something that is not actually in the news. Lepricavark (talk) 00:45, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Discovery of Icarus, farther detected star

Article: MACS J1149 Lensed Star 1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astronomers report the discovery of MACS J1149 Lensed Star 1, nicknamed Icarus, the farthest-known star, 9 billion light-years away. (Post)
News source(s): Nature Astronomy (published paper), Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article is presently really short, but could easily be expanded to describe the characteristics they've determined about the star (blue supergiant, moving away from Earth) and how it was discovers (gravitational lensing via Hubble). Masem (t) 00:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on whether you call a supernova a "star". Some people probably will, and others will not. Calling it a main sequence star is indisputably correct, but it's somewhat technical. Banedon (talk) 23:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TRM, stub article. SamaranEmerald (talk) 16:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article is now four paragraphs and offers a rather complete overview of the topic given available information, so it's closer to B-class than a stub. Mamyles (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Article quality issues seem to have since been addressed. --Jayron32 17:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-Posting Comment I support this; however, it is kind of in geocentric language with the language of "the farthest-known star, 9 billion light-years away." I think it should specify that it is 9 billion light-years away *from earth* and make some indication that this is the farthest *detected* star as opposed to the farthest-known star. Is it farthest or furthest? Granted these are a bit nit-picky; I understand that basically every person who uses Wikipedia is from Earth, but the language used implies humans and earth is the center of the universe and "we" are the only place with so-far discovered life and therefore, find it reasonable to make a measurement without specifying that Earth is the starting point in our line of analysis.

So I likely confused you all. What I would propose for the wording is "Astronomers report the discovery of MACS J1149 Lensed Star 1, nicknamed Icarus (detection pictured), becoming the farthest-detected star by humans at 9 billion light-years away from Earth."

I also added "by humans" to indicate who it was detected by. Should we say something else like a telescope, a satellite, machinery, etc.? We could say "with the aid of technology" or something like that.

Note: I am working under the assumption (of the possibility) that life exists outside of Earth and that is why I am being particular in decentering earthly human experience. TenorTwelve (talk) 00:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

China retaliates to US tariffs

Article: Trump tariffs (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ China retaliates to US tariffs on steel and aluminum with its own tariffs on 128 US products (Post)
News source(s): [15] [16]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Now an international incident involving the world's two biggest economies. Banedon (talk) 23:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind (feel free to change the nomination however you see fit; I don't own it) but I think it's better to make it a blurb and roll it into ongoing if it continues to make the news. Banedon (talk) 23:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you say none of these tariffs have taken effect? To quote from the article, "China implemented their tariffs on April 2, 2018." Banedon (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Bob Beattie

Article: Bob Beattie (skiing) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Denver Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Winnie Mandela

Article: Winnie Madikizela-Mandela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 14:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose You edit conflicted with me making the nomination, but the article is currently tagged for neutrality. I haven't got time to investigate how serious the problems are. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until consensus is reached regarding the alleged NPOV issues. For the record, I don't think the article is all that bad, though there are some areas where UNDUE might be an issue. And the opening post on the talk page over this is simply a screed that should have been deleted per NOTFORUM. However there have been posts since then and so we are where we are. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - until issues identified above are resolved. However, should this be a blurb discussion? She would pass the Thatcher-Mandela axis, after all, and is a significant figure in the history of South Africa, and the story has occupied ten-fifteen minutes on the main Irish news broadcast, so international significance is clear. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Tag removed now, so support. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine vice presidential election poll recount

Article: Philippine presidential election, 2016#Electoral protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of the Philippines starts the recounting of the 2016 Philippine vice presidential election votes from the provinces of Camarines Sur, Iloilo, and Negros Occidental. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of the Philippines starts its recount of votes from the 2016 Philippine vice presidential election
News source(s): Philstar, Manila Times, Inquirer, and Sunstar
Credits:

Nominator's comments: It is a notable event as it might change the second most powerful person the Philippines; it is not an ITNR but I think the event is notable. ITSQUIETUPTOWN talk • contribs 06:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Costa Rica election

Article: Costa Rican general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Carlos Alvarado Quesada is elected president of Costa Rica. (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Lihaas (talk) 06:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Tiangong-1

Article: Tiangong-1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tiangong-1, China's first space station, is deorbited, crashing harmlessly into the South Pacific Ocean. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Note that this was not a control descent - the station stopped responding to ground control in 2016, and it is relatively fortunate it crashed harmlessly. However, it is the EOL of China's first space station; not an ITNR but I think significant enough. Masem (t) 02:05, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

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  1. ^ Kindred, Dave (April 8, 2018). "Masters 2018: Patrick Reed, an imperfect man, is etched in history as Masters champion". Golf Digest. Retrieved April 9, 2018.
  2. ^ O'Connor, Ian (April 8, 2018). "Patrick Reed doesn't care what you think -- he's the Masters champion". ESPN.com. Retrieved April 9, 2018.
  3. ^ Tammy Duckworth gives birth to girl: First senator to have baby while in office
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