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Saulos Chilima A fire in a residential building in Kuwait City's suburb of Mangaf kills at least fifty people. A plane crash near Chikangawa, Malawi, kills nine people, including Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured). In tennis, Iga Świątek wins the women's singles and Carlos Alcaraz wins the men's singles titles at the French Open. In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is re-elected with a reduced majority. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Neil Goldschmidt Majed Abu Maraheel Robert Hughes Lynn Conway David Boaz Jerry West view — page history — related changes — edit

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October 15

Portal:Current events/2021 October 15

October 15, 2021 (2021-10-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict 2021 Kandahar bombing Three suicide bombers attack a Shiite mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 47 people and injuring 70 others. The explosions occur at the main door and inside the mosque. Taliban authorities later arrived and secured the mosque. Taliban interior ministry spokesman Qari Saeed Khosti says that authorities are currently collecting evidence in order to determine responsibility for the bombing. (Al Jazeera) ISIL-K claims responsibility for the attack, reporting that two attackers shot and killed security guards outside the mosque before blowing themselves up inside, where people were worshipping. (Reuters) Withdrawal of United States troops from Afghanistan United States Marine Corps lieutenant colonel Stuart Scheller is reprimanded by a military judge following his criticism of the U.S. military’s handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. (ABC News) Murder of David Amess David Amess, United Kingdom MP for Southend West, is stabbed to death in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, while meeting constituents at Belfairs Methodist Church. The suspect was arrested at the scene, and police are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident. (BBC News) (BBC News) Anglophone Crisis A Cameroonian policeman is lynched by a mob after he killed a five-year-old girl at a checkpoint in Buea Southwest Region. Protests involving hundreds of people occurred after the killing of the child. (The Guardian) Central African Republic Civil War President Faustin-Archange Touadéra declares a unilateral ceasefire with the Coalition of Patriots for Change and the anti-balaka militia groups. (AFP via Barron's) Disasters and accidents Four migrants are found dead by the Spanish Maritime Safety and Rescue Society in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Cape Trafalgar in the Province of Cádiz after their boat sank. The coast guard reports that 21 others from the boat are missing. (AFP via i24 News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Brunei Brunei surpasses 10,000 cases of COVID-19 after reporting a record 423 new cases in the past 24 hours. (The Scoop) COVID-19 pandemic in India India is expected to reopen its borders to overseas travellers as it relaxes COVID-19-related restrictions amid a decrease in the number of new cases. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines, COVID-19 community quarantines in the Philippines The Inter-Agency Task Force for the Management of Emerging Infectious Diseases announces that the National Capital Region will be downgraded to Alert Level 3 beginning on October 16, which will allow cinemas and theme parks to reopen for the first time since March 2020. (Rappler) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, COVID-19 vaccination in South Korea President Moon Jae-in and first lady Kim Jung-sook receive booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. (Yonhap News Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium The Brussels-Capital Region expands the use of the COVID Safe Ticket to the hospitality industry, sports centres, and indoor events with more than 50 people. (The Brussels Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy's Green Pass becomes mandatory for all workplaces, but there are fears of disruption among transport workers and at ports where COVID-19 vaccination rates are relatively low. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the fourth consecutive day of 999 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 221,313. The country also reports a record for the second consecutive day of 32,196 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 7.92 million. (Interfax) COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria A COVID-19 vaccination mandate comes into effect in Victoria, with all essential workers required to have at least one dose of a World Health Organization-approved vaccine to continue working. (The Guardian Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Papua New Guinea The COVID-19 crisis worsens in Papua New Guinea, as the government seeks international help in order to combat the increase in new cases and deaths. The government has admitted to a slow response to the crisis and also blames vaccine hesitancy as part of the problem. The World Health Organization has agreed to help the country. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Yukon Yukon imposes a COVID-19 vaccine mandate for sports facilities, restaurants and other non-essential services. The mandate will take effect on November 30. (Yukon News) International relations 2021 Myanmar protests During an online emergency meeting, the foreign ministers of the ASEAN agree to exclude Myanmar's military junta chief Min Aung Hlaing from the upcoming ASEAN Summit to be held later this month. The country will instead be represented by non-political representative at the summit. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Paramount leader Xi Jinping of the People's Republic of China will not attend in person the Cop26 climate change conference in Glasgow, as it's told to UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson. The announcement comes amid international pessimism that, now compounded by the absence of China, a global leader in pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, the event would not result in any substantiative change. (Reuters) Law and crime Masten Wanjala, the Kenyan suspected serial killer of 14 boys, who escaped from prison two days ago, is murdered by lynching by a mob of villagers in Bungoma. Wanjala was hiding at his parents' home when he was identified by neighbours. (BBC News)

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Death of David Amess

Article: Stabbing of David Amess (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ British Member of Parliament David Amess (pictured) dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN, AP, Reuters

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58930593

Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Calidum (talk · give credit)
• Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The story is developing so the target article isn't quite up to date. I believe this is newsworthy regardless of the severity of his injuries. We did post the Congressional baseball shooting in 2017 for reference. -- Calidum 13:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait We don't yet know the extent of his injuries, and the article is still a stub.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment We also posted the murder of MP Cox in 2016. Attacks on legislators are rare in most western democracies. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait to see the outcome/extent of his injuries. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – One person injured killed wouldn't make the grade, no matter how extraordinary the circumstances, unless it could be shown that organized terrorism was involved. – Sca (talk) 14:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it has to be terrorism, but any deliberate attack. Just my opinion. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, if the attack was because he was an MP or because of his political views, that qualifies as terrorism under UK law. Though the murderer of Jo Cox wasn't actually charged under terrorism, he was dealt with throughout the trial as a terrorism case. -- KTC (talk) 14:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, Wiki/ITN isn't governed by UK law. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Surely anywhere in the world the assassination of a member of a legislature is considered to be an attack on the state and hence terrorism? This isn’t a question of law it is a question of notability. -- keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on article quality of bolded article. Article is barely longer than a stub, and contains next to no useful information beyond what would be included in a blurb. Would support if there were a more detailed article to highlight on the main page. --Jayron32 14:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• He's dead. Leaky caldron (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  And someone's been arrested. [1] [2] [3] – Sca (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle as we posted MP Jo Cox. But article will need more expansion once more information is known about the circumstances- I'm sure news sites like the BBC will do comprehensive articles about it in the next couple of hours. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. It would be odd for me to simultaneously oppose a bow and arrow attack that kills 5 while supporting a knife attack that kills 1. Each is a tragedy, nobody likes to see loss of life, but with all due respect to Amess I don't see his notability as rising to the level at which we'd automatically post (e.g. if he was a top government official or something).  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support since he tragically died. Murders of sitting national legislators are rare. That said the article should not be titled "murder" yet.(update: it's not, didn't realize it was a redirect) 331dot (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait as quality of the article, particularly his political career, needs improvement - particularly the area currently tagged "one source". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle, per prior precedent, and it is currently receiving international coverage, with a red breaking news banner on both the NBC and CNN websites.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Spot news. – Sca (talk) 14:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle but the article quality is not there yet. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• RD only as he does not rise to the significance level required for a blurb, even given the unusual circumstances of this death.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  You are kidding right? A Member of Parliament has been assassinated. This is a "death is the story" nomination. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle -- KTC (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – RD only – Per Walt. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support: High profile assassination. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 14:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb, highly uncommon event; circumstances of the death are the story. Connormah (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb This is definitely Jo Cox and 1/6 level.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb (edit conflict) As with all instances where the story in the news is about the death, rather than about the person once they have died, we should consider a blurb. Since this is the assassination of a sitting lawmaker in a peaceful nation, the news rises to notability for inclusion. I don’t think we need to consider the case of Jo Cox when making that decision, but her assassination (and I am surprised the articles aren’t titled that way) was posted. I think anyone saying RD only is deliberately ignoring the point of deaths being blurbed and are looking at the person’s individual notability rather than the actual news story. Amess didnt die of natural causes, it’s a political assassination. For another comparison, 1/6 could arguably be boiled down to an attempted assassination of politicians, and none died but the significance of its occurrence in a relatively peaceful nation was the news. Kingsif (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• You're conflating two separate concepts. A blurb nom for any story must be deemed sufficiently significant by consensus. If the are not blurbed, then we can post an RD as applicable. But it doesn't work the other way: we don't automatically post a blurb because an RD-eligible subject is murdered. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's appropriate in any case to list a murder as an RD. If an RD eligible person is murdered then the murder would always be a notable story in itself, if not then they wouldn't be RD eligible either. - keirstitt (talk) 15:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment This incident seems similar to the 2011 Tucson shooting, which was posted to ITN as a blurb (granted over 10 years ago). Stabbing of David Amess is a stub and not presently postable though. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

And Giffords didn’t even die! On a less plain note, I thought an above comment said it was no longer a stub? Kingsif (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Six people did though. It says 957 B (162 words) "readable prose size" as it doesn't count the bulleted "responses", and I wouldn't either. I support in principle but no rush. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support blurb in principle but wait for details to be released and the article to develop. At present it has just three sentences on what actually happened. He only died an hour ago, we can wait a bit longer for information to be released. Modest Genius ^talk 15:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support on principle but Oppose on current article quality. The article is bloated with response and thin on the details that we need for this. --Masem (t) 15:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - a major event. GiantSnowman 15:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb in principle extremely rare for a politician in a western democracy to be assassinated. Steelkamp (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. People get stabbed all the time, sadly, and he was a relatively low-profile politician, certainly not somebody at the Thatcher or Mandela level whose death we'd note in a blurb if he had died in any other manner. Sandstein 15:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • That "Mandela/Thatcher line" is for when the death is of natural causes, not when the death itself is the story. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Do sitting legislators get stabbed all the time? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – At 151 words of text, article is a stub, barely half a stub at that. At this pt. not eligible for a blurb, only RD. – Sca (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Beirut clashes

Article: 2021 Beirut clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Beirut, a series of violent clashes leave 6 people killed and 32 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera NYT CNN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TootsieRollsAddict (talk · give credit)
• Created by Maestoic (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worst street violence in Lebanon since 2008. Notable enough. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 00:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle. However, the article should be expanded with more content on the actual clashes and consequences.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose for now based on quality. The article has a "timeline" section that only has one event. That's... not right. If this is a series and not an event, it should, you know, actually cover the whole series. --Jayron32 14:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

October 14

Portal:Current events/2021 October 14

October 14, 2021 (2021-10-14) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2021 Beirut clashes Six people are killed and 32 more are injured during a shooting at a protest in Beirut, Lebanon, against the judge investigating the 2020 port explosion. Hezbollah and Amal accused the attackers of being members of the Christian Lebanese Forces. Clashes occurred for hours afterwards between the militias involving snipers, pistols, Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenades even after the army was deployed. (BBC News) Kongsberg attack The man accused of killing five people and injuring three more yesterday in the streets of Kongsberg, Viken, Norway, using a bow and arrow, is identified as a 37-year-old Norwegian man and convert to Islam with Danish citizenship, who police had been concerned about regarding radicalization. (Reuters) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Four Indian soldiers are killed during a gunfight with rebels in a forest in Mendhar, Jammu and Kashmir. (Greater Kashmir) Islamic State–Taliban conflict A Taliban police commander is killed and 11 more people are injured as a bomb targeting the commander's vehicle explode in Shigal District, Afghanistan. (The Defense Post) The Nigerian Army confirms that Abu Musab al-Barnawi, the leader of ISWAP, died two months ago. However, the circumstances of al-Barnawi's death are not clear. (BBC News) Business and economy Brazil's Central Bank sells US$1 billion to offset declines in the real, which has fallen ⅓ relative to the dollar in 2021 alone, with another US$1 billion in sales scheduled for later today. (Mercopress) LinkedIn announces that it will shut down its social media services in China later this year, citing heavy-handed compliance requirements from the government, and will replace it with a traditional job-listing site. LinkedIn was the only major Western-based social media site to legally operate within the country prior to the announcement. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire At least 46 people are killed and 79 others are injured in a fire at a 13-storey tower block in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. (BBC News) Aftermath of Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 A former Boeing chief test pilot is indicted by a United States grand jury for deceiving the Federal Aviation Administration during the certification process for the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which resulted in two fatal crashes and a subsequent grounding of the aircraft. (AFP via The Australian) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic Bali reopens its borders to fully vaccinated travellers from 19 countries that met WHO's criteria as the number of COVID-19 cases declines in Indonesia. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 15 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 207. (The Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Vietnam, COVID-19 vaccination in Vietnam The Vietnamese Ministry of Health approves vaccination against COVID-19 for children between the ages of 12 and 17 years old, with those aged 16 to 17 years old receiving priority before vaccination expands to other age groups. (Vietnam Plus) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Latvia President Egils Levits tests positive for COVID-19 after returning from a trip to Denmark and Sweden despite being fully vaccinated, prompting his Finnish counterpart Sauli Niinisto to self-isolate. (AFP via Barron's) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the third consecutive day of 986 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 220,315. The country also reports a record 31,299 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 7,892,980. (Interfax) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Victoria reports a record 2,297 new cases and 11 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the highest daily total of any state of Australia since the beginning of the pandemic. Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announces that the state will continue to reopen based on vaccination rates. (The Guardian) International relations Chinese Catholic Bishop Stephen Yang Xiangtai, the retired leader of the Handan diocese, died at the age of 99 after a long illness. Bishop Yang was arrested in 1954 and again in 1966, and served more than a decade in labor camps before being released in 1980. He became Bishop of Handan in 1999. (Catholic World News) (Asia News) Law and crime Armenia–Azerbaijan relations Armenia expands its case before the International Court of Justice against Azerbaijan, accusing Azerbaijan of violating the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, to which both states are signatories, for allegedly promoting ethnic hatred against Armenians. Azerbaijan denies the accusation and accuses Armenia of violating the treaty. (Reuters) Murder of Giulio Regeni, Egypt–Italy relations An Italian court in Rome drops charges against four Egyptian police officers for the 2016 murder of Italian PhD student Giulio Regeni in Cairo, citing its inability for the four officers to be tried in absentia since their prosecutors failed to inform them of their charges. (AFP via France 24) Sri Lanka drops charges against Admiral Wasantha Karannagoda, who was accused of being part of a group of 14 navy personnel who kidnapped 11 children and murdered them after attempting to extort money from their families. The actual number of children murdered by the group is suspected to be at least three times higher. The crimes were carried out in 2008 and 2009, amid the chaos of the Sri Lankan Civil War. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2021 Japanese general election Prime Minister Fumio Kishida dissolves the lower house of the Japanese Parliament ahead of the election on October 31. (UPI) 2021 Norwegian parliamentary election Jonas Gahr Støre takes office as Prime Minister of Norway. (Associated Press) Pakistan International Airlines suspends flights to the Afghan capital Kabul, citing "heavy-handed" interference from the Taliban. It was the only foreign carrier operating regular flights out of Kabul. (BBC News)

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(Posted) 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire

Article: 2021 Kaohsiung tower fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In southern Taiwan, a tower fire in Kaohsiung leaves 46 dead and 41 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Taiwan News, Focus Taiwan, DW, Al Jazeera, New York Times. AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Dying (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jacklamf1d14 (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: deadliest building fire in taiwan since 1995. work in progress. dying (talk) 14:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – in principle. The basics are there. Something on what materials fueled the fire would be appropriate, and of course its cause. – Sca (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support beyond your basic disaster stub. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support article is better than a stub, and 46+ people dying is ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  At 450 words it's on the thin side yet for MP use, though. – Sca (talk) 15:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  3185 characters is longer than many similar articles are when they get posted. It's good enough, and can be expanded once more information is available. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Definitely a notable event. Start class article on the lower end should still be able to appear on the main page. --CactusTaron (Nopen't) 15:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle. The article seems to be minimally sufficient and should be expanded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak support. Unusual event, high death toll which seems likely to rise further, similar to Grenfell Tower fire which was posted. The article is not hugely informative but long enough and adequately referenced. Weak !vote as I'm getting a bit tired of disasters with mediocre articles, but this is postable and keeps the blurbs ticking over. Modest Genius ^talk 16:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • I think we have to recognize that such disasters in non-Western countries have language-barrier issues that make it hard for typical en.wiki editors to find sources to expand (not that foreign language sources aren't usable, just that knowing how to use those requires language familiarity). In addition to the difference of attention due to systematic bias that the media would give to a fire in downtown London versus somewhere in Taiwan. Just a point of consideration of expectations on length we should keep in mind. --Masem (t) 16:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Oh I wasn't expecting it to have as good an article as Grenfell did (that one developed amazingly over the first 24 hours). The current length is adequate. But I take your point. Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Article is sufficient length and quality, well referenced, and the topic is being covered by major news outlets. Checks all of the requirements. --Jayron32 16:31, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is actual news, unlike the space flight of 10 minutes. Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 17:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Please remove tower from the blurb - the damaged building isn't a tower, which is why the article's title is under discussion. Jim Michael (talk) 11:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  More likely to get a response at WP:ERRORS.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

October 13

Portal:Current events/2021 October 13

October 13, 2021 (2021-10-13) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kongsberg attack Five people are killed and two others are injured in the streets of Kongsberg, Viken, Norway, by a man using a bow and arrow. A suspect has been arrested. (BBC News) 2021 Bangladesh communal violence Four people are killed and 24 others are injured as police open fire on a mob of 500 Muslims protesting over an alleged Quran desecration at a Hindu temple in Haziganj Upazila, Bangladesh. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) 2021 Eswatini protests Pro-democracy protests intensify in Eswatini, as police use tear gas and water cannons to disperse crowds during this week's protests. Government spokespeople have denied to comment as King Mswati III denies accusations of autocratic rule in the last absolutist monarchy in Africa. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Eight people are hospitalized as a fire breaks out at the El Gouna Film Festival in El Gouna, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. (BBC News) A Cessna 172 with two pilots crashes near Halat, Lebanon, during a training exercise. Rescue teams have been dispatched to look for the pilots. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia COVID-19 vaccination in Malaysia, COVID-19 pandemic in Sarawak Sarawak becomes the first state in Malaysia to offering a third and booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccines using the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine for high-risk individuals who had received their second dose of that vaccine at least six months ago. (Codeblue) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan It is reported that at least 415 children committed suicide in Japan in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic while schools were closed. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Philippines surpasses 40,000 deaths from COVID-19. (Philstar) COVID-19 pandemic in Nigeria The Nigerian government announces that they will require workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or to submit a negative PCR test from the previous 72 hours beginning on December 1. (Vanguard) COVID-19 pandemic in Papua New Guinea Papuan health minister Jelta Wong says that the pandemic is pushing the health system to its limits and also admits to a slow response by the government, as only 2% of the population have been vaccinated. Peter Numu, the governor of Eastern Highlands Province, says that the situation in his province is "scary". (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the second consecutive day of 984 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 219,329. (Newsweek) Iqaluit, capital of the Canadian territory of Nunavut, issues a state of emergency after evidence is found of gasoline in the city's tap water. All residents are advised to not drink, boil or cook with the city's water. The city had issued a Do Not Drink Water advisory the previous day. (Global News) Law and crime LGBT rights in Namibia The Supreme Court of Namibia rules in favor of a gay couple who conceived a baby using a South Afric]n surrogate, to grant the baby, who was born in South Africa, Namibian citizenship. The judge ruled that there is no need for tests to confirm that the baby is the son of the couple. However, homosexual activity remains illegal in Namibia. (Reuters) Pandora Papers Opposition lawmakers present a formal impeachment proceeding against Chilean president Sebastián Piñera over connections to a 2010 sale of a mining company, for which a prosecutor opened a case against Piñera for alleged bribery, corruption, and tax violations. (Al Jazeera) Masten Wanjala, who was imprisoned for murdering 14 boys in Kenya escapes from his prison cell in Nairobi and is on the run. He is described as "extremely dangerous". (BBC News) Kenyan world record holder in the women's 10 kilometres event Agnes Tirop is stabbed to death at her home in Iten, Elgeyo-Marakwet County, Kenya. Tirop's husband is the prime suspect in her murder, according to police. (BBC News) Science and technology Blue Origin NS-18 Blue Origin launches four crew into sub-orbit on a New Shepard rocket from its Corn Ranch spaceport in Van Horn, Texas. The crew includes Blue Origin Vice President Audrey Powers, NASA engineer Chris Boshuizen, space tourist Glen de Vries, and actor William Shatner. Shatner, best known for his portrayal of Captain Kirk in the Star Trek media franchise, becomes the oldest ever person in space at the age of 90. (BBC News) Sports South Korean short-track speed skater Shim Suk-hee is barred from the national team ahead of qualifying for the 2022 Winter Olympics as the Korea Staking Union launches an investigation into a text message exchange involving her that suggests fraudulent behavior while competing at the 2018 Winter Olympics. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Ray Fosse

Article: Ray Fosse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Unfortified Castle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Good depth of coverage, fully referenced. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 06:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Kongsberg attack

Article: Kongsberg attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed, and two others injured inside a supermarket by a man using a bow and arrows in Kongsberg, Viken, Norway. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Five people are killed and two others injured in a bow-and-arrow attack inside a supermarket in Kongsberg, Norway.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Sky News, AP, The Guardian, Independent, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Created by Love of Corey (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article is still a stub. Also, I don't know if the number of deaths are enough to warranty its publication on the MP, but yet I think it's worth to nominate it. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 23:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak Support Although the article is a stub, I still feel that the topic is notable enough. I hope it can be improved on further, though.TootsieRollsAddict (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait but leaning oppose. While they are presently considering a potential terror angle, this reads like the hallmarks of domestic violence and with the small numbers involved, the type of crime we shouldn't cover at ITN. But if there was a serious terrorist angle here, that would be potential angle for posting, just that this seems really far from that. --Masem (t) 00:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Domestic violence? The attacker is said to have launched the assault inside a supermarket and then moved over a large area.Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Not the best phrase I used, but right now, it is a localized crime that may involve ties to terrorism (due to the suspect's recent Islam conversion), types of crime that happen everywhere across the globe that don't get reported because they don't have international impact. It is the weapon of choice that caught media's eye here as to why it got widespread attention. --Masem (t) 13:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak support if expanded beyond stub Low death count for a mass casualty event, but the bizarre weapon choice makes this far more notable than a typical shooting. Mlb96 (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• This won't stop until we have meaningful wood stick and string control. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Good point. 1,329,000 (or 25 per 100 people) registered firearms, but not sure we have any figures for bows and arrows. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose -- a bizarre weapon choice, but I don't think there's any inherent notability beyond that. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 01:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait - article is a stub currently, too early for posting and needs further development. - Indefensible (talk) 05:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality article is a microstub. If that's all that can be said about it, then it's not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as of now, article is not long enough to qualify for the main page. Once it is expanded to sufficient length, I would support its posting. --Jayron32 11:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• What's the minimum size for Start class? How much more would be needed? WP:STUB says: "AutoWikiBrowser is frequently set to automatically remove stub tags from any article with more than 500 words" Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• I was ec'd there to mention that anything that surpasses stub is at least a Start class. Note that is based on readable prose, so no infobox/references/template, etc. --Masem (t) 13:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• And currently I'm getting 1583 characters which is also just above the general requirements for stub as well as DYK, so this should be okay for size. --Masem (t) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks. I now count 1829. But can we post stubs or not? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Schwede66 has now moved all project tags to Start class. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment This seems like the perfect thing for DYK (if it ever meets the requirements). Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Heavily covered due to the peculiar nature of the attack, but a lone perp. and a comparatively small death toll don't equate to general significance, regardless of the assailant's presumed motives. Don't see the EV. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sca. Tabloid interest item, no long-term encyclopedic value. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• The New York Times, The Times, BBC News, etc.? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Ephemeral spot news. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are car crashes that kill 5 people every day. List of mass shootings in the United States has a murder with that many victims every couple of months, and that's just one country with one weapon. The unusual choice of a bow here is attracting headlines, but isn't a significant enough detail to justify ITN. PS. could be nominated for DYK instead. Modest Genius ^talk 13:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Meanwhile, arguably significant news seems below the radar. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• Support if ties to a known terrorist group is confirmed. That's the criteria I generally use for developed countries. For conflict zones, where these events are unfortunately common,it gets more complicated Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sca, GCG etc. Small-scale attack and no lasting significance likely.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support on notability we had some people suggest they'd support if it was a terrorist attack; it now appears to be so. It was the number one global headline when it happened and it's still the number one global headline a day later. The purpose of ITN is to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news, and this event fits that criteria. I would prefer if the article was a bit longer first but everything already in there is well-cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  One addled terrorist acting alone is not a movement, and this one's no Brevik. – Sca (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  PS: Article at 335 words is barely over a stub. – Sca (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment requested it for DYK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Kongsberg_attack Heythereimaguy (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Does the unusual method make it more notable than if the attacker had killed same number of people using a gun, knife or bomb? Jim Michael (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Perhaps so, a bow is an interesting weapon of choice. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Crossbows are more usual e.g. [4]. I see that some sources are erroneously saying this incident involved a crossbow. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Kongsberg attack. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Swedish sources also add that he had other weapons as well, a knife is mentioned. cart-Talk 18:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

So: "Knife-wielding, unnamed Danish-Norwegian man slays five people and injures three others in a bow-and-arrow rampage" – ??
– Sca (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Now that...that is a funny hook for DYK. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Per confirmed terrorist act. Per expansion from stub to start class. Terrorism is very unusual in Norway posting this definitely makes sense.BabbaQ (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support As per BabbaQ. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose The bow-and-arrow is propelling the story into the limelight, and I'm very surprised that even CNN has this as a top story like any muck-raking tabloid. Aside from the unusual weapon, it's a minor terrorist attack by today's standards (can't believe I'm writing that phrase), and terrorists have always proved crafty when it comes to weapons for attacks. cart-Talk 19:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Norway has had no terrorist attack for ten years. And there are 5 deaths which is notable for the Scandinavia region. BabbaQ (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course it's notable in Scandinavia and should be a main page event on all Nordic Wikipedias, but I don't think it's big enough for this ITN. cart-Talk 20:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree. It's not in French, German or Dutch Wikis' versions of ITN, either. – Sca (talk) 22:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – Norway is an unlikely place for Islamic terrorism in Europe. It's a major pro-Islamic terrorist incident in the country, and the impact is the police officers now carry firearms on duty (normally they don't). STSC (talk) 20:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
  • It has not be definitively ruled as Islamic terrorism yet. There is a possible link and police are keeping that in mind, but we absolutely cannot label it terrorism yet. --Masem (t) 21:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The case is now being treated as an act of terrorism. STSC (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Best I'm finding in the few updated sources is that they are still treating the incident as an act of terror due to the Islam conversion [5], but that given the suspect was already a known person of interest and is now under mental evaluation (as per Sca below) gives me pause to think they're treating this guy as a wacko that went off the cuff and they had plenty of warnings they didn't heed. This is unlike incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing or 2017 London Bridge attack of quietly planned and far deadlier results that absolutely were terrorist attacks. I'm not saying that this being a terrorist attack has been ruled out, but it seems very much unlikely given all that's there this was tied to an actual terrorist cell (like this other ones) and more like just a guy broke down mentally and went crazy. I will add that the fact that looking for sources, there's almost no new English-based news fresher than 18-24hr ago outside a couple BBC articles tells me that unless some major revelation about a terrorist connection is made here, most of the world press appears to be treating this as a random attack and not a world-shaking terrorist one. --Masem (t) 13:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Slight support per STSC and BabbaQ. Heythereimaguy (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Changing mine to "Slight support" because it isn't super notable outside of the Nordic countries, but still notable due to the weapon used. Heythereimaguy (talk) 21:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support; a terrorist attack that killed five people in Britain, New Zealand, Canada etc will almost always be "ITN" (See Lindt Cafe siege and 2017 London Bridge attack) for comparable events) - the fact that this happened outside the Anglosphere shouldn't change that. Further, given the rarity of such events in Norway, I suspect that this one will be long-term significance in Norway. I would note though that the proposed text will have to be changed to reflect the fact that it is now considered a terror attack. BilledMammal (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Yes, the 2017 London Bridge attack killed 11, including the 3 perpetrators. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

We would likely have posted the Plymouth shooting had it been proved to have been motivated by an ideology. Jim Michael (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. This has been nominated to appear at DYK. It can't run as the bolded item in an ITN blurb and as the subject of a DYK nomination so if this is posted the DYK nomination should be withdrawn, or if it's approved at DYK this should be closed, but having both open at once is not ideal. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 22:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• That's only half true: if it's posted at ITN, it isn't DYK eligible anymore. The converse is not true- even if it appears on DYK (which it wouldn't do for a while anyway, as there's at least 10 days of hooks already queued up), it would still e eligible for ITN. Articles have run on DYK and ITN simultaneously before (2020 and 2021 London Marathons were added to ITN whilst also on DYK), and there is no actually rule against it that way round. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• At the current rate of promotion it would be too stale to post at ITN after DYK, but if it's approved and added to the long, slow queue, it would be a shame to have to pull it in a few days if it finally gets posted here; there's no likelihood of it appearing at DYK before ITN but a decision should probably be made sooner rather than later. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Agree it's probably a moot point for this nomination, but it's still worth correcting them, as if people read this thread in the archives, don't want people thinking that's actually a rule, when it's not. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support per above. A terrorist attack in a Scandinavian country carried out with a bizarre weapon is clearly significant, and I don't think this can be omitted just because there's an ongoing DYK nomination (while the converse is true, it's not in the case with ITN).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – It's the next day and world media has already lost interest in this. cart-Talk 08:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Meanwhile, the Nobel Prize in Economics is still on everyone's front page? Well, at some internet backwaters perhaps. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

True, but then again, I think the Nobel Prize receives a disproportionate amount of attention these days. When it was instituted, it was as a way to help important research get published and shared. We hardly have the same issues these days. cart-Talk 09:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Perp., still unnamed, sent for psychiatric evaluation. [6] [7] [8] [9] – Sca (talk) 12:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment This is getting stale, and a consensus will not form any time soon. Time to close? Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:30, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Agreed. I don't see any consensus, albeit that I'm involved as I !voted. Suggest it be closed.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Furthermore, it is well down the media's coverage today, suggesting they don't see it as having any sort of lasting impact. The suspect is being treated for mental health problems, apparently so it seems unlikely it's part of some huge radical terror plot. And we're not a news ticker as you well know. Today's story is the knife attack on David Amess it would seem.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support This is a significant attack and the article has been expanded sufficiently.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – I can't see this ever getting blurbed unless/until the perp. is ID'd. Also, hohum aftermath section lacks his being slated for psychiatric evaluation. (Thus, not ready for 'attention' yet.) – Sca (talk) 14:10, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support As of now, the article is in decent shape, considering this is still developing. Obviously more info will emerge later, but what's there is sufficient. Brandmeister^talk 14:25, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• 'Support, as it's a significant attack and the article is decent.Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Myriam Sarachik

Article: Myriam Sarachik (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Physicist. Death announced in WP:RS today. Obituaries have started appearing and there is good material to build this into a neat article. If someone wants to get to this before me, please feel free to do so. Ktin (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 23:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. Edits done. Very nice work as always by AP. They are still making a few edits, but, the article is good to go. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Fully sourced and ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 03:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks like all that needs to be there is there JW 1961 ^Talk 07:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) William Shatner in space

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: William Shatner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the age of 90, William Shatner becomes the oldest man to fly to space. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Blue Origin NS-18 spaceflight is launched, carrying William Shatner, the oldest person to reach space.
News source(s): CNN NBC News BBC Independent CBC
Credits:

• Updated by Randy Kryn (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Captain Kirk is going boldly 86.187.160.91 (talk) 14:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose not important enough to justify a substantial update to any article. I expect the humor crew to come by soon with more amusing opposes. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 14:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Strong oppose We have no posted the other "space tourists" this isn't the time to start. --Masem (t) 14:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is very much in the news and the opposes above are just personal opinions contrary to WP:NPOV. The only issue is that it hasn't happened yet but it's T-11 so not long to go. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:39, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • @Andrew Davidson: Is the fact that there is just one paragraph in the Shatner article which just says "he went to space today" my "personal opinion contrary to NPOV"? User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 14:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
    • The supposed fact is bogus because the dust has barely settled on the event and so it's too soon to rush to judgement. There's obviously more than one article to be considered. Blue Origin is a big part of this and I also liked the way that Jeff Bezos acted as the doorman. We can wait on the full details, reception, news coverage and resulting updates. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Historic event. For ITN in my opinion.BabbaQ (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'm not convinced even tabloid/clickbait coverage would be particularly interested in age alone if this weren't Captain Kirk, and as Masem points out, we've not been posting space tourism before—without any notable firsts, I'm not sold on "oldest" as the metric that gets us to start. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose just like we opposed all the other space tourism nominations. The content about it is about 3 sentences in his article, and that's all that can be said about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:50, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose this is perfect WP:TOP25 material, i.e. the sort of thing that we'd see just for clickbait. But it's much better suited for DYK than ITN, it's a factoid, of literally zero encyclopedic value. We could post the youngest person in space. The richest person it space. The hairiest person in space. It's all rather embarrassing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  The hairiest person in space: Sorry to disappoint but I'm afraid of flying. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:59, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Grapple X: You're begging for somebody to make a Shatner's toupee joke. pbp 15:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support: There's clearly enough sourcing here for it to meet the criteria. pbp 14:58, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Sourcing isn't an issue, goodness me. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:03, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support I assume it's the same Shatner who's legendary musical career included the best cover of a Beatles song ever. Has he done anything else before or since? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  He did a great song with Lemon Jelly actually. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support not because it is Shatner, but because it is the oldest person in space. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

If there is an article about the flight, that should be linked to(don't know the name of the flight). 331dot (talk) 15:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Blue Origin NS-18 is the flight. JRHorse (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

When Wally Funk flew into space on the first Blue Origin space flight and became the then-oldest person in space, we didn't post that. This is even less notable because it's not a "first".  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 16:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose No space tourists please, we haven't posted any yet (basically because they're effectively all trivia more suited to DYK) and we really don't want to see "b-b-b-but Shatner was posted, so...". Black Kite (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Oh, this is so tragic. Bezos handing out "astronaut badges". Seriously. "absolutely amazing" apparently. This is not ITN. Shatner's voice, that's the only redeeming feature here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. If anything, suggest a reference to the Blue Origin NS-18 mission itself (which may or may not be suitable for ITN) instead of the subject in question. JRHorse (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Wrote an altblurb deemphasizing Shatner. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Still just highly paid space tourists doing something that is now just every day stuff. Shatner on board? Factoid. See WP:DYK. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment fails WP:ADVERT as well. This is just free advertising for Bezos. No thanks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Likely confusing to a lot of readers who aren't familiar with Star Trek fandom.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Shatner has appeared in many non-Star Trek productions over a long career. 331dot (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. I will also point out that the first stated purpose of ITN is "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news." I don't see where it says we don't post things because we don't like Jeff Bezos or rich people, or that this isn't important. 90 year olds going to space is not common and won't be as most are not physically fit enough to do so(even as tourists). 331dot (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
  • There are lots of pages that routine hit the top 25 most-viewed for a day, that include topics in the news, but aren't the type of topics that meet the type of encyclopedic coverage that ITN tries to balance to avoid media's systematic bias. For example, I'll bring up Squid Game again, as big news of it being Netflix's most-watched show yesterday and still one of our most viewed pages. But is that an ITN type blurb? Heck no. It means little in the overall nature of the world. We rarely post superlative events on their own, only if they are tied to other critical events, such as the recent tennis one, an ITNR but in addition where the first qualifier won the grand slam. If this was a first such flight for Blue Origin (hint, its not) as an ITNR, and so happened that Shatner being the oldest passenger to low-orbit was part of that, that might have been appropriate, but by itself, its more trivial in nature, and while it may be TOP25 right now, its not reflecting on what ITN generally covers. --Masem (t) 16:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I will furthermore note that many TV networks interrupted their regular programming to broadcast about this event with a special report. 331dot (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Interesting that we are now at the point in society where 90 year olds in space is "ho-hum". 331dot (talk) 16:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Was 82-year-old woman and long-time actual contributor to this technology Wally Funk posted? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

That a mistake was made before should not preclude correcting it in the future. I don't have a DeLorean handy to go back to July and change people's minds. 331dot (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Me neither. Yet it's clear that we don't need to suddenly start posting age-related space tourist records at ITN. I imagine DYK would be the perfect venue for such trivia. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait, pretty obviously. If this flight crashes, I suspect there might be a few changed !votes. Might change to Support if it comes back full of Tribbles. Wow, he looks good for 90. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC) look..... no jokes about Shatner his pants.

• Reluctant oppose. Probably not carbon neutral. I honestly thought Jeff was gonna kiss him. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

The flight is already back down. 331dot (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, might change my !vote, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it was very much an "up-and-down" flight, nothing to write home about in any sense, technically, encyclopedically or otherwise. Just a "famous" old person surviving a two-hour ride which cost millions and millions of dollars to achieve literally nothing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

What a let down. So not the final frontier after all. If only we could get Tyson Fury up there. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

It was ten minutes at altitude in total. And no, Tyson Fury in space as a tourist would be equally, even less, interesting. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Who said anything about tourism. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Quite a few people. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• On the balance, I'm going to go with Oppose. Understand the additional interest given who it is but a 10 minutes straight up and down is a bit meh. -- KTC (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. We have well-established criteria for the notability of space flights and this does not meet them. --LukeSurl ^t c 16:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

LukeSurl We have criteria for automatic notability of a space flight, at WP:ITNR, which does not preclude other flights from being nominated if conditions warrant, such as a 90 year old going to space. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Strong Support and a brave admin should put it up per WP:IAR if the opposers succeed and bring him down to Earth. The flight was so psychologically important to human spaceflight in the 2020s, and equally or moreso for the highlight - Shatner's conversation with Bezos, words which should be quoted and honored with a monument somewhere. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  In what sense was the "flight so psychologically important to human spaceflight in the 2020s"?? Space tourists are now just meh. What makes Shatner more important than an individual who recovered from bone cancer and who actually spent three days in actual space? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Randy Kryn Thanks for your comments. All I know is that with every nomination like this that is not posted I am further pushed towards the ITN-is-broken camp. I'm not there yet, but it's getting closer. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Indeed. So make a proposal. We've had a recent slew of people suggesting that ITN should mimic WP:TOP25, that it's all about pageviews. I have literally no objection if that becomes the new mission of ITN. But in the meantime, endless moaning about the current ITN methodology and endless, pointless nominations isn't the way to solve a "purported" issue. Wikinews and other projects are available for those who wish to just continually publish clickbait. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose ITN isn't for media hype like this. Heythereimaguy (talk) 18:29, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Joseph, TRM. Lifestyles of the rich & famous. Sure, we liked Star'Trek a lot back in the day, but this $tunt is completely without general significance. – Sca (talk) 18:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Blue Origin NS-18 doesn't even tell us how much it cost him. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  Per WSJ , he did not have to pay as he was a guest of the company.[10] Ktin (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Shucks. So not even a real tourist, as he didn't get overcharged. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• "Useful post" (TM). The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Agnes Jebet Tirop ​

Article: Agnes Jebet Tirop (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mul511 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death unexplained, world record holder. Could do with some more info on 2017-2020 achievements Joseph2302 (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Ready for RD as far as I can see.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The results in the International Competitions section are all verifiable from her World Athletics profile which is given as an external link, except for the 2012 African Cross Country Championships which doesn't seem to be listed there.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  The 2012 African Cross Country Championships was sourced in text, so added same source to the table. And put the World Athletics profile as a source below the table (as this seems easier than repeating it for every line of the table). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

  It was also mentioned in her World Athletics obituary which I must have added the same time as you.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Looks fully sourced now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – Adequate. – Sca (talk) 18:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Pretty grim news. I assume she's the first competitor from Tokyo 2020 to die? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Brian Goldner

Article: Brian Goldner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; NBC News; Variety
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment he's just died, we shouldn't be using a non-free portrait yet. I doubt anyone has actually checked properly whether a freely available image exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks to be good for RD, well sourced JW 1961 ^Talk 10:50, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 06:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Comet Bernardinelli-Bernstein

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Article: C/2014 UN271 (Bernardinelli-Bernstein) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A giant comet is discovered (picture) heading for the inner solar system. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Independent, National Geographic, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Agmartin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kheider (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Great comets are ITN/R. This is unusual in that, while it is comparatively huge, it has been spotted a long way out and so it will be 10 years before its closest approach. This is not the usual brief 15 minutes of fame but, as we're an encyclopedia with a long view, we should report this at some point. Do we want to wait until 2031? Andrew🐉(talk) 21:18, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

This NOIRLAb illustration is free and so would be a good picture too.

• The article says "It will not be visible to the naked eye because it will not enter the inner Solar System", so it will not be a "Great comet", just a large comet by size and not by tail. Probably not a story for ITN, except if one wants to highlight that it is large. But too many ifs at the moment. --Tone 21:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Not actually a great comet, as Tone pointed out. Also, wasn't this announced several months ago? Ionmars10 (talk) 23:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Also a very stale story. We knew earlier this year (not this week) about what the nature of this comet's orbit would be. --Masem (t) 00:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Tony DeMarco

Article: Tony DeMarco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

• Nominated by AntonioMartin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Boxing world welterweight champion and international boxing hall of fame member Antonio el vagabundo Martin (aqui) 16:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support as nom-obviously, otherwise I would not have nominated him! Antonio DC Superhero Martin (decime) 17:49, 12 October, 2021 (UTC)
• Support - good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Career - unsourced. Legacy - half unsourced. Record - unsourced. How can anyone consider this is "good to go"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Wayyyy undersourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Sorry people, but it's far from ready to go. Several paragraphs are unsourced. Due to the extensive lack of sources, this could be easily orange tagged.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marie Wilcox

Article: Marie Wilcox (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Vanamonde93 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yngvadottir (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Last fluent speaker of Wukchumni, according to most sources. Died some days ago, making the news only this week. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support, as nom: Yngvadottir has brought it up to the mark. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support quality meets minimum requirements for RD. If the language had gone extinct, I'd consider it blurbable, but fortunately the article suggests that this lady managed to teach it to a few others before she passed away. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - RD ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

October 11

Portal:Current events/2021 October 11

October 11, 2021 (2021-10-11) (Monday) Arts and culture Pope Francis opens the two-year Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops. This XVIth Synod of Bishops, ends in Rome in October 2023. In his opening address, Pope Francis presented three “key words”: communion, participation, and mission. (Catholic World News) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in the Maghreb 2021 Niger attacks Ten people are killed and another is wounded as gunmen open fire at a mosque in the village of Abankor, Tillabéri, Niger. (VOA) Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir Five soldiers are killed by rebels in a mountain pass in Jammu and Kashmir. (Al Jazeera) Tigray War A spokesperson for the Tigray People's Liberation Front says that the Ethiopian Ground Forces have launched a ground offensive against rebels, with the support of local militias of the Amhara Region. (Reuters) Business and economy Economists David Card, Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens are awarded the 2021 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for their natural experiments showing economic impacts. (Deutsche Welle) Disasters and accidents European migrant crisis The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees reports that it has recovered the bodies of 15 people as well as 177 survivors from two Libyan coastguard boats returning to Libya after they attempted to cross the Mediterranean Sea in order to reach Europe. (Reuters) 2021 China floods At least 15 people are killed and three are missing as heavy floods affect Shanxi. (Al Jazeera) Two people are killed, and two homes and a UPS delivery van are destroyed after a Cessna 340 crashes in Santee, California, United States. (CNN) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in New South Wales New South Wales (NSW) lifts lockdown restrictions for fully vaccinated residents after 107 days. Travel restrictions are lifted, businesses reopen in a limited capacity, and private and public gatherings are permitted with some restrictions. NSW residents who are not fully vaccinated, with the exception of residents of some regional towns where infections are low, will be expected to continue to follow lockdown restrictions. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand, COVID-19 vaccination in New Zealand The New Zealand Government announces a new vaccine mandate that would require disability and healthcare workers to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by December 1 and teachers by January 1, 2022, as the country suspends its "zero-COVID" strategy amid the spread of the Delta variant. (Forbes) COVID-19 pandemic in Papua New Guinea A two-week lockdown begins in Eastern Highlands Province as cases overwhelm hospitals and the number of deaths increases nationwide. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Wales Wales begins to require people over the age of 18 to show their NHS COVID Pass or their proof of vaccination status in order to enter nightclubs, indoor non-seated events for more than 500 people, outdoor non-seated events for more than 4,000 people and any event with more than 10,000 people. (Evening Standard) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Germany ends free COVID-19 testing for non-medical reasons in order to encourage people to get vaccinated. Children younger than twelve and pregnant women are exempt from this rule. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia, Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic Malaysia lifts a ban on non-urgent interstate travel and resumes international travel where Malaysians travelling internationally are exempt from MyTravelPass as the country reaches a target to fully vaccinate 90% of its adult population. (Bloomberg News) COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha announces that Thailand plans to end quarantine requirements for fully vaccinated travellers from at least 10 low-risk countries beginning on November 1. Additionally, the government will allow entertainment venues to reopen on December 1 and permit alcohol sales at establishments. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Texas Texas governor Greg Abbott signs an executive order prohibiting all entities in the state, including private companies, from enacting vaccine mandates. (Reuters) COVID-19 vaccine The WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts recommends that immunocompromised people receive a third dose of the vaccine due to the risk of breakthrough infections after standard immunization. The panel also recommends that people over the age of 60 receive an additional dose of the Sinopharm or Sinovac vaccine three months after their second dose, citing the performance of the vaccines in Latin America. (Reuters) Law and crime 1987 Burkinabé coup d'état The trial for the 1987 assassination of former leader of Burkina Faso Thomas Sankara, known as the "African Che Guevara", begins in Ouagadougou against 14 people, including former president Blaise Compaoré, who will be tried in absentia. (Al Jazeera) Two teenagers are arrested in Batemans Bay, NSW, Australia, for killing 14 kangaroos two days ago. The animals were found slaughtered on two different roads. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2021 Iraqi parliamentary election Preliminary results show that the Sadrist Movement of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr will retain its plurality in the Council of Representatives. (AFP via The Times of Israel) Alar Karis is sworn in as the 6th President of Estonia, succeeding Kersti Kaljulaid. (Euronews) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports, COVID-19 pandemic in Boston 2021 Boston Marathon The 125th Boston Marathon, which was postponed from May 28, 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, takes place. The men's marathon is won by Benson Kipruto and the women's marathon is won by Diana Kipyogei, both from Kenya. (ESPN)

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RD: Paddy Maloney

Article: Paddy Moloney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Times, RTE
Credits:

• Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Irish musician and founder of The Chieftains {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)^{Updated 09:23, 15 October 2021 (UTC)}

• Oppose orange tagged for more sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Joseph2302: orange tag now addressed and removed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support seems fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – as per Bloom6132. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: David H. DePatie

Article: David H. DePatie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-creator of the Pink Panther. Died on Sept 23, but was only first reported on this date by the Seattle Times (local paper). Some sourcing issues. Masem (t) 16:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Deon Estus

Article: Deon Estus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; Billboard; CNN
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support well sourced and enough text for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Boston Marathon

Article: 2021 Boston Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Boston Marathon, Diana Kipyogei and Benson Kipruto win the women's and men's foot races, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Diana Kipyogei and Benson Kipruto win the 2021 Boston Marathon women's and men's races
News source(s): Boston Globe, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• I know this came up in the last marathon item so I would ask, is it possible (given how the event is usually covered) to put the women's winner before the men's? Would we be skewing anything inappropriately? --Masem (t) 00:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  For me, it's ok. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  Didn't we list the last marathon winners in Tokyo alphabetically? Stephen 04:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  The faster one should get whichever position feels like the better reward, per the point of competitive racing. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  The women's and men's events are different races. They are run simultaneously, but are not ranked against each other. --Jayron32 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  Alphabetical seems fine to me, and is what we've done (either deliberately, or coincidentally) in most marathon noms that I've seen. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  I get that they ran separately in Boston, but here, they're both contenders for first place billing. One is objectively the more impressive athlete, by whole minutes. Alphabetical order is fair enough, too, just not based on any actual relevant accomplishment. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs prose summary of race. Spencer^T•C 05:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose needs a race summary, see 2021 London Marathon for an example. Joseph2302 (talk) 05:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. No prose summary of race. Consider this a full support if anyone fixes that. --Jayron32 12:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment also, they were called the elite races, not the foot races. Calling them foot races makes no sense, as it's made up terminology. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Updated I have added a race summary for each event, and also added an alt blurb, which matches the wording of the 2021 London Marathon ITN from a few weeks ago (and avoids the use of "foot race"). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks ready now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good. Marking ready. Ktin (talk) 18:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 18:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• Already 2 complaints on WP:ERRORS (one of which is my ignored complaint above about "foot races"). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:33, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stewart Murray Wilson

Article: Stewart Murray Wilson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZ Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Stuartyeates (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealander criminal. Do criminals also qualify for RD? - Indefensible (talk) 21:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Yes, they do. And, in this particular case, I think the article is good enough for a RD. It's fully sourced, so I think it meets RD criteria.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 01:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks good for RD JW 1961 ^Talk 08:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 09:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Nedumudi Venu

Article: Nedumudi Venu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian actor. Unfortunately, has an entire section on filmography that might be a challenge to source. Go well sir. Thanks for all the performances. Condolences to the family and friends. RIP. Ktin (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - article in general does not meet the quality standard. - Indefensible (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  Unfortunately, yes. I agree with you. Will require some hard work. Ktin (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Economics Prize

Articles: David Card (talk · history · tag) and Joshua Angrist (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Economics is awarded to David Card's work on labor economics, and jointly to Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens for their work on causal relationships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Economics is awarded to David Card for his work in labour economics, and jointly to Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens for their work in causal relationships.
Alternative blurb II: ​ David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens are jointly awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics.
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Spencer (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Last Nobel. Three target articles. Card's needs a few more sources. I'm getting "pulled from CV"-vibes from Angrists. Imbens is short and could be expanded. Masem (t) 13:14, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: Conversely, I think Angrist's has much more depth of coverage than a CV and is a model article for a Nobel winner because it has very solid depth of coverage on the subject's work. Doesn't appear to have COI; the main contributor Arbraxan has edited other economists' articles. Spencer^T•C 18:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Its depth is good - but something just seems off to me, but if others find no issue, then hey, it seems ready to go. Just caught my eye in how its written rather in a means I've seen common in CVs or self-written bios, but I could be completely wrong. --Masem (t) 19:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Have referenced Card's bio and added additional information. Imbens' article still needs some more work. Spencer^T•C 20:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Nice work by Spencer in referencing David Card's article. Imbens' article seems referenced and passes minimal hygiene expectations imo for the homepage. Ideally, I would have loved to spend some time in expanding Card and Imbens' articles. Unfortunately, off-wiki commitments means that I would not be able to do so in a timely manner. But, this news article is good to go to the homepage in its current state. Ktin (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - the labour economics article has an orange banner currently. The difference in article content between co-winners Joshua Angrist and Guido Imbens is interesting to note as well. - Indefensible (talk) 21:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Found an orange banner on the article for causality too. Probably not going to meet the quality standard for the front page. - Indefensible (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Non-target articles linked are not required to have the same quality as bolded, targetted articles. --Masem (t) 21:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
    • That seems like a pretty sketchy policy and doesn't mean that bad articles should be let through on a lower standard. - Indefensible (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
      • It's pretty much standard policy for the sections of the main page: any bolded internal link is expected to point to an article that demonstrates the quality that WP can be, but all other non-bolded links to support that entry (such as those in TFA or DYK) are not required to be of any type of quality, though why they should be linked should be germane to the topic. Now, we can talk about a non-bold linked that is completely in bad shape, but that's not the same thing as a few orange tags. --Masem (t) 03:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - per the Literature Nobel, added generic altblurb2 with the non-bio articles removed. - Indefensible (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Imo posting was a little premature. I have no idea what work Imbens specifically does related to causal relationships (or really, anything in economics) based on his article, which is mostly a list of educational history, positions, and awards. Spencer^T•C 01:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Spencer: Expanded Guido Imbens with his econometrics work. I feel it looks good for homepage. Please have a read. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Looks great, thank you. Spencer^T•C 04:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) 60th Anniversary Additional Commemorative Non-Aligned Meeting

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Article: 60th Anniversary Additional Commemorative Non-Aligned Meeting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 60th Anniversary Non-Aligned Movement Meeting brought together Third World leaders commemorating 1961 1st Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in Belgrade SFR Yugoslavia (Post)

 MirkoS18 00:25 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Neutral But sign your nomination, please. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Unorganised stub.  Nixinova   T   C   04:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is just an anniversary with no clear significance, and it's not reported by BBC, CNN (can't add a link thanks to the site's search results being blacklisted), The Guardian (TG uses Google to show search results so there is no link to the results), Reuters, and AFP. Tube·of·Light 04:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per above comments. --Tataral (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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October 10

Portal:Current events/2021 October 10

October 10, 2021 (2021-10-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War Six people are killed and seven others are injured by a car bomb targeting the governor of Aden. Both the governor and a minister survive and are moved to a secure location. (Reuters) Business and economy Southwest Airlines cancels more than 1,000 flights and delays hundreds more over the Columbus Day weekend. The airline cites problems resulting from both air traffic control and the weather. (KGO-TV) Disasters and accidents 2021 Menzelinsk parachute Let L-410UVP-E crash A Let L-410 aircraft carrying a group of parachute jumpers, with 22 people on board, crashes after take-off from Menzelinsk Airport, Tatarstan, Russia. Sixteen people are killed and six others are injured. (Al Jazeera English) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Brunei Brunei reports a record 381 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 8,980. (The Star) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy, COVID-19 vaccination in Italy Italy surpasses its target to fully vaccinate 80% of its adult population. (RTÉ News and Current Affairs) COVID-19 pandemic in Venezuela Venezuela receives a shipment of 2.5 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines via the COVAX initiative. (Reuters) International relations Cross-Strait relations In a National Day speech, President Tsai Ing-wen states that Taiwan will not bow to pressure from China, vowing to uphold the island's sovereignty and democratic norms. (The Guardian) China denounces Tsai Ing-wen's speech, saying that it incited confrontation and distorted facts. China also says that seeking Taiwanese independence closes the door to dialogue. (The Jerusalem Post) Law and crime Thirty people storm a hospital in Rome, Italy, trying to free an injured man under arrest due to his involvement in violent acts yesterday during an anti-Green Pass protest. Four people are injured during the incident. (The State) The personal doctor of Georgian politician Mikheil Saakashvili says that he needs hospital treatment as he continues his hunger strike after returning from exile and being arrested on October 1. Saakashvili's condition has been described as "worsening". (Reuters) Politics and elections 2021 Iraqi parliamentary election Iraqis head to the polls to elect the members of the Council of Representatives. (AFP via UrduPoint) Sports 2020–21 UEFA Nations League In association football, France defeat Spain, 2–1, in the final held at the San Siro in Milan, Italy, to win their first UEFA Nations League title in only the second edition of the tournament. (AFP via ABS-CBN News)

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(Ready) RD: Luis de Pablo

Article: Luis de Pablo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential self-taught composer who connected Spanish music - oppressed under Franco - back to European developments, - some of the article written by Jerome Kohl. - As below: I added the recent refs and some facts. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. Do the 2 writings have a ref? Seem to be the only items not covered. - Indefensible (talk) 05:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you, I found refs for the 2, which would be good for a larger bibliography if someone has the time. The first one was translated to French, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support refs done by Gerda. Article seems to be fine now. Grimes2 (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Great job, Gerda. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Evelyn Richter

Article: Evelyn Richter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sächsische Zeitung
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Black&white art photographer who captured everyday life in East Germany with empathy, don't miss well-phrased jury reasoning about her life's work. There were - by several editors - already good facts and lists of exhibitions and publications. I added only recent refs and a bit for that "empathy" touch ;) Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:34, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support No issues. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ruthie Tompson

Article: Ruthie Tompson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Disney, NYT, NPR, Yahoo! (USA Today)
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rimmel.Edits (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Disney artist for ~40 years. Has refs issue with filmography section which can be removed as needed. - Indefensible (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment - As usual, the filmography is unreferenced.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Will just delete that section if the rest of the article is good and blocked from that. - Indefensible (talk) 06:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN; @Kacamata: filmography now referenced after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Bloom6132 Thanks for updating the filmography section. - Indefensible (talk) 05:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Article was improved and looks fine now. She made the films I grew up on. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:49, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 23:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 02:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Ramon Barba

Article: Ramon Barba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Bulletin
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Alternativity (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino horticulturist. - Indefensible (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Start-class article and fully sourced. So, I guess it meets the criteria for RDs.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Both Refs. #1 & #2, re-used multiple times in this article, appear to be deadlinks. Replacement refs are in order. --PFHLai (talk) 02:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Second ref is available on the Wayback Machine archive at [14]. Not sure how to best format that into the existing ref. Spencer^T•C 04:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  You're right. My bad. Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 05:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Restored the 2 refs with archived copies, should have caught that earlier; thanks for providing the Wayback Machine link for the 2nd ref. Hopefully the article is covered now, there also seem to be 5 external links not used as refs that can be used to provide extra coverage if needed. - Indefensible (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Thank you, Spencer & Indefensible, for the links to the web archives. However, it doesn't look like either refs support too much of the details in the wikibio, and more refs will be needed. Yes, materials listed in the external links section are indeed potential replacements/supplements. --PFHLai (talk) 12:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:45, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Russian plane crash

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Article: 2021 Parachute Menzelinsk Let L-410UVP-E crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sixteen people are killed and six are injured after a plane crashes in Siberia. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian UPI
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Per UPI, it is the " third deadly crash involving an L-410 in Russia this year. " Sixteen dead, six injured Destroyer (Alternate account) 01:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose literally "the third deadly crash involving an L-410 in Russia this year.". I don't know when fatal plane crashes became ITN/R. A chartered regional turbo prop operated in a remote part of Russia is going to have no impact on aviation safety. List of accidents and incidents involving the Let L-410 Turbolet --LaserLegs (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  If three aircraft of the same type crash in one year, doesn't that suggest a possible pattern that may have some "impact on aviation safety"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per LaserLegs. --Tataral (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment We generally do not post private or military aviation disasters unless there is something of a larger scope involved (eg Kobe Bryant's death). That's not to say that outright eliminates this from posting. --Masem (t) 05:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - we do post military accidents. Sixteen is a death toll high enough to add some weight to the case for posting. Mjroots (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per LaserLegs. -- Kicking222 (talk) 09:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Military accidents are occasionally posted, but the bar is higher because military personnel are in a risky and dangerous business. I'm not convinced this rises to that level. As noted, this is the third such incident for this type of aircraft this year. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - While the article isn't too good, it certainly is notable. 16 people dying from a plane crash, even if it is a military one, is definitely a notable event. Heythereimaguy (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per 331dot. Toll isn't huge for plane crashes, and military aviation accidents seem fairly common in RU. Not broadly significant. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - We do occasionally post military accidents, but not this kind, where the death toll is low and the impact marginal.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2021 Czech legislative election

Article: 2021 Czech legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the aftermath of the 2021 Czech legislative election, SPOLU sign a memorandum to form a coalition government with Pirates and Mayors with SPOLU leader Petr Fiala (pictured) as the new Prime Minister. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2021 Czech legislative election, SPOLU win the popular vote coming ahead of the ruling party ANO.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the 2021 Czech legislative election, the Czech opposition gain a majority of seats in the Chamber of Deputies.
News source(s): Reuters, Reuters (2), France24, AP, BBC, EuroNews, Aljazzera, DW, Theguardian, dpa
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Davide King (talk · give credit), Aréat (talk · give credit) and FellowMellow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Big news in Europe, in the world too as we are seeing an unexpected opposition victory in Czech Republic. As the sources state, the opposition have signed an agreement to form a government with Babis (current PM) conceding. BastianMAT (talk) 10:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb 1 unless a government is formed, in which case it can be cut down. Support altblurb 1 but would prefer we didn't pipe "SPOLU" to "Together", considering the article is titled SPOLU. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose/wait. It's too early; wait until a government is formed. --Tataral (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Czech President in intensive care after holding talks on dramatic election. Count Iblis (talk) 13:14, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

  Must have been really intense talks Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

  President Zeman, 77, "receiving treatment in ... intensive care" Sunday for an undisclosed illness. The Czech president would play a role in formation of a new govt. – Sca (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support alt2. The election is the news, the new government can take some time to be formed. Sandstein 17:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Wait for more developments and the new administration to be in office. - Indefensible (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support, we don't usually wait until government is formed; we posted the German election well before a government was formed.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support either alts. The election is ITN/R so now is the time to post. Defeated guy already conceded. Article is fine, decent reactions section, one CN tag not worth holding up. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posting. I'll go with the first one. --Tone 07:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - "SPOLU agree to a coalition with Pirates and Mayors" - this sounds like some kind of cross between a villainous organisation in a James Bond film and rival boats in an Arthur Ransome novel...  — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) Abdul Qadeer Khan

Article: Abdul Qadeer Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Pakistani nuclear physicist Abdul Qadeer Khan dies at the age of 85. (Post)
News source(s): DAWN, Tribune GEO
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 06:19, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support blurb - He was considered as the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb. Moreover, as a person who was embroiled in controversy there's bound to be some neutrality issues in the article which shouldn't stop it from getting posted. - Depressed Desi (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb too. His role in nuclear proliferation has shaped post-cold war Asia. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: The orange neutrality tag in the Proliferation controversy section must be addressed before this nom can proceed. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC) Can someone familiar with the subject review that section and remove the orange tag (if appropriate), please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 13:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC) The tag has been removed. --PFHLai (talk) 20:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Conditional support for RD, oppose blurb. He doesn't warrant a blurb, but an RD is fine if the quality-related problems (there are several tags highlighting various problems) are resolved. --Tataral (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb  – Sudden death of a very well known personality warrants blurb. I don't see any neutrality issue with Abdul Qadeer Khan#Proliferation controversy section, everything is well referenced. Radioactive (talk) 12:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• RD only – Per Tataral. – Sca (talk) 13:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose On quality and neutrality. The subject's main point of notoriety is his involvement in nuclear proliferation and that being tagged as POV should be a no go. I will note other areas where information is lacking or missing. While he is known as the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb it should be noted that he is a metallurgist not a nuclear physicist (there the credit goes to Munir Khan), his main area of expertise being in his acquisition of centrifugal tech and his organizational capabilities (the AQ Khan network through which he transferred nuclear tech). His life in the Netherlands is lacking with the major Urenco "espionage" episode sidelined in the article with no mention of Frits Veerman (the whistleblower who uncovered it). His Dutch wife is not mentioned at all. The major overlaps come in the proliferation episode especially the dealings with Iran and N. Korea, with Iran no mention of the Shahid Bagheri Industrial Group (through which the proliferation happened) is made, with N. Korea (and China) the proliferation happened through Japanese companies which is missing. A look at the Britannica, SNL, and the nl/ko/ja/de/fr wikis should make it clear where the info is lacking/slanted. I have tried fixing some technical issues but the ones mentioned remain. Gotitbro (talk) 14:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support blurb - An Important figure in Pakistan who was embodied in controversy at home (considered a hero, then a traitor then at death a hero) and abroad. As the BBC says 'AQ Khan: The most dangerous man in the world?' [15]
• Support, as he was a major metallurgist involved in Pakistan's nuclear program.Jackattack1597 (talk)
• Support RD, oppose blurb - article seems to meet requirements for normal RD posting but does not meet the threshold for a blurb entry. - Indefensible (talk) 18:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Blurbs for recent deaths are supposed to be rare. This individual does not come close to the significance required. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - The global attention his death has received and the fact that he was given a state-funeral definitely warrants a blurb. (See: The Guardian, BBC, NYT, WSJ, WaPo, CNN, AJ, The Hindu, Reuters, France24, DW) - Depressed Desi (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • That's standard long-form obit we see for any generally well notable figure in international history, but doesn't speak to blurb-level here. --Masem (t) 04:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD, there is no consensus likely to emerge for a blurb. Stephen 04:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Removed from Ongoing, Restored) 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption

Article: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Spencer (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Looking at 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption#Human impact of the lava flow, no updates in the past 5 days and only one sentence of update since 10/1. Does not meet regular considerable update criteria to continue to be in Ongoing. Spencer^T•C 01:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Only commenting that the actual event is still going on at least as of yesterday's news, so the lack of updates is a problem. --Masem (t) 01:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

•  Removed. It can return when the article gets updated. --PFHLai (talk) 02:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Here's the fresh Reuters report from just an hour ago: Lava blocks the size of buildings falling from La Palma volcano. As PFHLai is so quick to act on this, we look forward to their update. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • It was removed not because the event hadn't stopped, but because no updates had been made to the article for numerous days, which is an expectation of something in ongoing. --Masem (t) 18:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Please keep the wikipage updated. This story should appear on ITN, but the lack of updates on the wikipage means that it has no business being on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
    • The article has had over 100 edits so far this month, with multiple edits today, yesterday and the day before; so the claims that it is static seem to be false. It is true that the article isn't getting many readers but it's still doing better than the Baluchistan earthquake blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
      • I've heard this before somewhere, along the line of "never mind the quality, feel the width"!!! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
      • The page is not static, but looking at the prose, I can find one sentence about the lava flow on October 4th, but nothing about what happened between that and today. --PFHLai (talk) 19:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
        • This: The only serious update (ignoring wikignoming, reversions of unsourced claims, vandalism, etc.) is this bit about the comments about using it for tourism. That's not the type of updates we expect of an ongoing article, particularly if the ongoing is the disaster aspect. --Masem (t) 19:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Polite reminder for those posting news articles etc here, please don't misunderstand this removal: it was removed because of scant update on the page itself, not because nothing is happening with the eruption. Those posting such articles could help the situation by actually making substantive updates to the page rather than fill up this place with links. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment content diffs since 2021-10-01. Good pull. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• RESTORED There are now 2 new paragraphs of new materials on what happened the past four days. If anyone has any more to add, please go ahead to keep this article updated. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 21:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Remove one paragraph in nearly two weeks is not "continuously updated" as stipulated by the guidelines. Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section --LaserLegs (talk) 00:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

October 9

Portal:Current events/2021 October 9

October 9, 2021 (2021-10-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict Islamic State–Taliban conflict Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen rules out cooperation with the United States to fight the insurgency of IS–K in Afghanistan, saying that the Taliban "will be able to tackle Daesh independently". (Taiwan News) Nigerian bandit conflict At least 20 people are killed as gunmen open fire at a market and torch cars in Sokoto, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) Mali War A Colombian Roman Catholic nun who had been kidnapped in Mali near the border with Burkina Faso in 2017 by the Macina Liberation Front is freed. The nun is photographed with Malian President Assimi Goïta as the government refuses to state if any ransom was paid for her release. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2021 Cumbre Vieja eruption The north face of the volcano collapses, generating three new lava flows. No new evacuations have been ordered as authorities call for calm. (El País) Russian authorities say that 29 people have died in Orenburg Oblast during the past week due to alcohol poisoning, after drinking a beverage mixed with methanol. (Reuters) The Deir Ammar and Zahrani power stations shut down in Lebanon after running out of diesel fuel, leaving the entire country without electricity. According to a government official, power is not expected to be restored for several days. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Victoria reports a record for the second consecutive day of 1,965 new cases and five deaths from COVID-19, which is the highest daily total of new COVID-19 cases in any Australian state or territory. (ABC News Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record 968 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 215,453. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 3,703 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 124,157. (The Straits Times) Mental health during the COVID-19 pandemic A study conducted by researchers from the University of Queensland concludes that the COVID-19 pandemic led to a significant increase in diagnoses of generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder worldwide in 2020. (The Guardian) International relations Afghanistan–United States relations The U.S. State Department confirms that the first face-to-face meetings with high representatives of the Taliban since the departure of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, will begin today in Doha, Qatar. A spokesperson for the State Department says that the U.S. will pressure the Taliban to "respect the rights of all Afghans, including women and girls" and form an inclusive government. The spokesperson also clarifies that this is not a recognition of the Taliban government by the U.S., saying that the Taliban will have to earn recognition by its actions. (France 24) Law and crime Memorandum of understanding between Argentina and Iran Families of the victims of the 1994 AMIA bombing in Buenos Aires announce that they will appeal the ruling which acquitted former president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner of any wrongdoing. The memorandum aimed to make Iran cooperate in the investigation at the time that Argentina issued red notices against Iranian officials through Interpol. Relations between Argentina and Iran have been strained, with a recent condemnation by Argentina of the new cabinet of Ebrahim Raisi. (MercoPress) Central American migrant caravans Guatemalan police recover 126 United States-bound Haitian, Nepali, and Indian migrants trapped inside an abandoned shipping container near Nueva Concepción, Escuintla, Guatemala. (AFP via The Straits Times) In Rome, Italy, demonstrators protesting against the country's COVID-19 restrictions, notably the extension of the Green Pass, clash with police, and the demonstrations turn into riots. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2021 Czech legislative election The opposition SPOLU party calls for the formation of a new government in view of the poor electoral result of prime minister Andrej Babiš' ANO 2011 party. (Reuters) Kurz corruption probe Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz resigns amid a corruption inquiry against him, although he continues to deny any wrongdoing. (BBC News)

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RD: Hosea Macharinyang

Article: Hosea Macharinyang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Geschichte (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Kenyan athlete. Has a few unreferenced items but article might be good enough otherwise. - Indefensible (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a few more details; there's nothing about how he died (or indeed, anything about his personal life).-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Farooq Feroze Khan

Article: Farooq Feroze Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Nation, Pakistan Today
Credits:

• Updated by Limited Idea4me (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Air Chief Marshal of Pakistan. This wikibio is long enough and appears to have enough footnotes across the prose, and thus good enough for RD purposes already. Some copyediting may be helpful, too. --PFHLai (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 18:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:27, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

RD: Sikandar Hayat Khan

Article: Sikandar Hayat Khan (Azad Kashmir politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:

• Nominated by Depressed Desi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He served twice as prime minister and once as president of Azad Jammu and Kashmir. Depressed Desi (talk) 07:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment - Some cn tags and unsourced sentences, but it seems possible to fix. Ping me if these issues are addressed.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Sebastian Kurz, Austrian Chancellor, resigns, succeeded by Alexander Schallenberg

Article: Alexander Schallenberg (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sebastian Kurz announces his resignation as Chancellor of Austria following allegations of corruption. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alexander Schallenberg (pictured) becomes Chancellor of Austria following the resignation of Sebastian Kurz amid an ongoing corruption probe.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Alexander Schallenberg (pictured) becomes Chancellor of Austria following the resignation of Sebastian Kurz.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters (new), dpa, DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Smurrayinchester (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Kurz does technically remain chancellor until the President accepts his resignation, but that's a technicality and there's no question of it not being accepted Smurrayinchester 07:04, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Wait - the inauguration of a new incumbent is usually blurbed, not the resignation of an exiting officeholder. The most recent example is probably Yoshihide Suga who resigned as Prime Minister of Japan; the appropriate entry did not get onto the front page until Fumio Kishida officially became his successor last week. - Indefensible (talk) 07:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose/wait. I agree that we should wait for the appointment of his successor. --Tataral (talk) 11:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news now, and if a replacement is appointed soon we can just update the blurb. This is not ITN/R. The orange tag for "ad" is silly, the section is fully referenced. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment/Update – Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg sworn in Monday as the new chancellor of Austria. [16] [17] (Pic avail.) – Sca (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - Kurz's article is in good enough shape, but the ITN/R would have to include Schallenburg as the change of officeholder. That article is very short and needs some referencing too. I've added an altblurb  — Amakuru (talk) 13:02, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  Presumably would need some BG & reorg re Schallenberg, as he's now top dog. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support – Alt1 when article revised per previous. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

PS: German Wiki adds that Michael Linhart, hitherto ambassador to France, has been sworn in as Schallenberg's successor as foreign minister. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment reorganizing the nomination. Schallenberg is now the protagonist, and his article is pretty bad... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support altblurb but article(s) could use improvement; the Kurz corruption probe article is just a stub and probably not worth linking on the front page currently. - Indefensible (talk) 20:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support per others. Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support – Looks acceptable. Favor Alt2. – Sca (talk) 14:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• (ec) Posting alt2 since it seems best. The article has been expanded to the level that it is passable, though still short. --Tone 14:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  Suggest we replace David Card pic in the box with one of Schallenberg. – Sca (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III

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Article: Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, European Tyson Fury defeats American Deontay Wilder to retain his World Boxing Council heavyweight title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In boxing, Tyson Fury defeats Deontay Wilder to retain his World Boxing Council heavyweight title.
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, The Independent, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major boxing match that gained lots of media attention. Needs round by round information updated in article. Andise1 (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Question: The blurb's boldlinked article Tyson Fury has a seven-word sentence about him winning this bout. The article Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III does not have a link in the proposed blurb and does not have a bout recap or aftermath section. Where is the updating that qualifies this for ITN? --PFHLai (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not sufficiently significant for a broader audience. --Tataral (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • LOL, this was on the new on my side of the ocean as compared to 50% of the ITNR items. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - If we don't post this match, we're not posting boxing on ITN, period.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

  An undisputed heavyweight champion might get posted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. We didn't post Joshua vs Usyk recently, and that one was for multiple heavyweight titles at once, I don't see how we could then say that the WBC title supercedes all of those. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:06, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - An altblurb has been added to the nomination and a recap section has been added to the article. Andise1 (talk) 18:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose There are so many boxing titles. I would only support a reunification fight. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. This is in the news. To deny it isn't well... it doesn't serve our readers. Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III is updated and is better than most disaster stubs we post. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose tragic third episode of this money-making exercise. Limited sports notability let alone encyclopedic value. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

*What, they make money? We wouldn't want to post stuff where people make money, would we. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per TRM and PK3 Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support It's certainly in the news and the media seem to think this was a "fight for the ages". Tyson Fury has managed to knock Squid Game off the top slot which even James Bond couldn't manage. And nobody but nobody is reading about the small earthquake in Balochistan. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't deny that this match has some importance and it's in the news, but it'd be unjust to post this after we didn't post Joshua vs Usyk.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Two wrongs don't make a right. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Andrew Davidson: Please come back next year when Usyk and Fury defend their titles in the respective events, and we can re-evaluate the importance from the beginning. And, frankly speaking, this one is the less significant of the two matches because it was held under the auspices of only one out of four professional boxing organisations, while the other one was under the other three.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Never mind the quality, feel the clicks. This isn't about encyclopedic value, it's about pageviews, and trying to apply some kind of understanding of sporting significance doesn't fit the TOP25 narrative. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• I'd like to see boxing events on the main page, but you seem to have a very good point. Then we should probably wait until the championships unify and argue that it's worth posting because the event has determined the undisputed world champion. Shouldn't we?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• WP:ITN is not WP:TOP25. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Indeed – there are only three blurbs currently. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• For main page balance. This is so tiring. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Most of our readers use the mobile view which does not require any balancing. I suppose TRM is talking about the desktop multi-column view and that ITN is being balanced to match the TFA blurb. Currently, that's about an episode of the X-Files which was broadcast 25 years ago. Apparently this is an important anniversary and the news of the day must give way to it. Quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• "Most of our readers use the mobile view " [citation needed] and yet I note you're now onto passive aggression about TFA. This, once again, isn't the venue. Do try to focus. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose can't post every time a boxer wins a fight. Polyamorph (talk) 10:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• What a very bizarre arguement. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• huh? Its broad global significance is not great. Looking at major international news webpages there are many more significant news stories than this. Polyamorph (talk) 11:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Indeed. The UEFA Nations League Final took place last night, much more historically notable than this, but it's never going to be nominated, let alone posted. The difference here is that there appears to be a few individuals continually attempting to convert the main page of an encyclopedia to a tabloid newspaper. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• I'm really not sure anyone is arguing "we post every time a boxer wins a fight." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Recent history here seems to indicate that a certain group of people are in favour of posting these one-off bouts (or in this case, a third-off...) As you well know. Thankfully common sense has prevailed each time, despite the drive to turn ITN into a red-top. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah-ha. How about the pink-tops? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, and individual football matches get column inches in all such newspapers. Doesn't mean we post them all. But I think we're done here for today, the obligatory "trying to make ITN into TOP25" and the inevitable associated peanut gallery. Bingo! Can't wait to do it all again tomorrow. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:51, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Yossi Maiman

Article: Yossi Maiman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zigzig20s (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-Israeli businessman. - Indefensible (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Ready to go.--Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 00:00, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted RD/not Blurb) Abolhassan Banisadr dies

Article: Abolhassan Banisadr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of Iran Abolhassan Banisadr (pictured) dies at the age of 88. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ First President of Iran Abolhassan Banisadr (pictured) dies at the age of 88.
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and well sourced. He was the first President of Iran following the 1979 Iranian Revolution (of which he was a notable figure in). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support blurb The first president of a regional power with a rich history of the past 25 centuries as a monarchy is notable. Some may argue that he was in Khomeini's shadow, but he did play an important role in the Iranian Revolution.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb. Iran had a Supreme Leader (Khomeini) and the office of president was not the highest or most powerful office of the country, and not even the head of state. Many countries have had an office known as president (or similar) that was of secondary importance compared to the actual ruler of the country (for instance, the Soviet Union had a mostly powerless titular head of state when Stalin was the real leader of the country). Abolhassan Banisadr held the office that could at best be described as Iran's number two for only a year, forty years ago. --Tataral (talk) 11:31, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• I tend to disagree. The president of Iran is the figure who represents the country in international relations and has much greater power than many other subordinated office-holders in the world. The Supreme Leader has concentrated power mostly in domestic affairs and is relatively absent from world politics.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Given that he only held the office for a year, he didn't really have a very great impact on the world stage. He's not at all comparable to later presidents who held the office for years and became more widely known. That, and the fact that the position ranks below the Supreme Leader and is not the head of state, is why I believe an RD is more appropriate than a blurb. To illustrate the difference between him and his Supreme Leader counterpart: Everyone have heard of Khomeini who was an extremely well known political leader, but very, very few people outside Iran today have heard of Abolhassan Banisadr. --Tataral (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support RD, Oppose blurb The shortness of the article (well beyond sufficient for an RD) shows why this isn't anywhere close to the type of world leader that we would normally blurb. There's almost nothing in the article about his contributions to Iran during his time as its President, so it is impossible to judge importance as a major world figure here from that, compared to other world leaders that we have posted as blurbs with long detailed articles on their impact on their country and the world. RD is perfectly fine. --Masem (t) 12:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment From what I understand, it seems that it's his impeachment that has historical significance rather than his presidency as his impeachment cleared the path for the clerics to consolidate their control of the government. I think he's more comparable to Kasa-Vubu's presidency between Mobutu's first and second coups in Congo Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• RD only – Out of office 43 years, died age 88. – Sca (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• RD only – per above, Egeymi (talk) 18:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted as RD. I do not mind this in a blurb, but there isn't enough support for it at this time. We can upgrade this to a blurb later when more support appears on this page here. --PFHLai (talk) 19:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

October 8

Portal:Current events/2021 October 8

October 8, 2021 (2021-10-08) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict 2021 Kunduz mosque bombing At least 50 people are killed and more than 100 injured when a suicide bomber targets a Shiite mosque in Kunduz Province, Afghanistan. IS–K claims responsibility for the attack. (BBC News) Six migrants are shot dead by guards at a detention center in Tripoli, Libya. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Public sector undertakings in India Tata Sons is announced as the winning bidder for Air India, ending years of attempts by the government to privatise the loss-making airline. Tata Sons was the initial owner of the airline before it was nationalised. (NDTV) (Times of India) ITA - Italia Trasporto Aereo is announced as the new state-owned airline for Italy, following the closure of Alitalia due to bankruptcy. ITA is a reorganization of Alitalia under a new name signed by decree in October 2020. (CNN) The severity of the energy crisis in Jiangsu, Zhejiang and Guangdong provinces of China is reported as worsening, with power outages occurring every week and "notices ... telling us which days the following week that they will cut the power". Some factories report receiving power for only two or three days per week and are operating primarily on generators. China has also placed large bids for coal that are causing supply issues in locations as far away as Ukraine. (Nikkei Asia) (Interfax) Disasters and accidents Mining industry of Zimbabwe Gas cylinders explode at a gold mine in Mazowe, Zimbabwe, killing seven people and injuring another. (Reuters) At least 51 people are dead after their makeshift vessel sinks in the Congo River, Democratic Republic of the Congo. Several more are missing. (Al Jazeera) Five people are killed by flash flooding occurs in parts of the U.S. states of Alabama and Tennessee, with as much as 13 inches of rain falling in some areas. (ABC News) (CNN) The U.S. Navy reports that the USS Connecticut, a nuclear-powered fast-attack submarine, struck an unidentified object while submerged in the South China Sea, causing 11 crew members to be injured. The extent of the damage to the Seawolf-class submarine is still being assessed although the submarine is noted as being "safe and stable". (Bloomberg) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Cyprus President Nicos Anastasiades receives a booster dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. (Financial Mirror) COVID-19 pandemic in Iceland, COVID-19 vaccination in Iceland Iceland suspends the use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine due to concerns of side effects, becoming the fourth European country to do so. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record 936 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 214,485. (The Washington Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia, COVID-19 vaccination in Malaysia Malaysia grants conditional approval for the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to be used as a booster dose for people over the age of 18 years old who received their second dose at least six months ago. (The Independent) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore reports a record 3,590 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 120,454. (The Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Victoria reports a record 1,838 new cases and five deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, which is the highest daily total of new COVID-19 cases of any Australian state or territory since the beginning of the pandemic. (ABC News Australia) COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil Brazil surpasses 600,000 deaths from COVID-19. (VOA) Authorities in the Democratic Republic of the Congo announce that a 3-year-old boy who died last Wednesday in Beni tested positive for Ebola. The health minister could not confirm if this was related to the Kivu Ebola outbreak which ended in 2020 and killed more than 2,200 people, but said that they were closely monitoring 100 people who may have been exposed to the virus and that three boys, all of whom were neighbors of the toddler, were already showing symptoms of the disease. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2021 Nobel Peace Prize Journalists Maria Ressa of the Philippines and Dmitry Muratov of Russia are awarded the Nobel Peace Prize "for their efforts to safeguard the freedom of expression". (AFP via India Today) Politics of Austria The Green Party, a left-wing member of the coalition, says that Chancellor Sebastian Kurz is "unfit" for the position as he is investigated for corruption. The party demands that Kurz step down, although Kurz has denied any wrongdoing. (Reuters) In his first speech, Japanese prime minister Fumio Kishida vows to fight and end the COVID-19 pandemic and counter the Chinese and North Korean threats by strengthening Japan coast guard and missile defenses while maintaining the country's peace. Kishida also vows to strengthen the country's alliance with the United States. (Al Jazeera) The United States House Oversight Committee releases documents showing that the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. accumulated $70 million in losses while public financial disclosures claimed that the hotel was producing an income of $156 million for former president Donald Trump. General Services Administration documents also showed that Trump received "undisclosed preferential treatment" from Deutsche Bank on a $170 million construction loan during his presidency. (CNN) (Reuters)

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RD: Martin J. Sherwin

Article: Martin J. Sherwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. Death announced in WP:RS on this day. Article requires some work before it is ready. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to do so. Edits and basic expansion done. Can be expanded further. But, is ready for homepage / RD in its current state. Ktin (talk) 21:21, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mordechai Geldman

Article: Mordechai Geldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): middleeast.in-24.com
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli allround artist, mostly poet, but much more, - article was basically there, just fixed references, with some help. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Long enough and with enough footnotes, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 21:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Budge Patty

Article: Budge Patty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Associated Press; ATP Tour
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (October 8); died on October 3. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Looks decent enough. Heythereimaguy (talk) 13:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 15:50, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Raymond T. Odierno

Article: Raymond T. Odierno (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Politico
Credits:

• Nominated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PFHLai (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Has lots of tags but the article really isn't that bad. Will need work, of course, but not a dumpster fire. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• No {cn} tags left. --PFHLai (talk) 04:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 18:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Peace Prize

Articles: Maria Ressa (talk · history · tag) and Dmitry Muratov (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2021 Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to journalists Maria Ressa and Dmitry Muratov for their efforts to safeguard freedom of expression in their home countries. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maria Ressa and Dmitry Muratov win the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize for their work to improve freedom of speech.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Both articles seem to be in good shape for this Masem (t) 12:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Muratov's article needs dividing into sections (someone has tagged it), other than that looks ok. Brandmeister^talk 13:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, good to go now. Brandmeister^talk 16:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I in general oppose nominating each Nobel Prize as a separate ITN piece for the same reasons we don't do the same for the winners of the Olympic Games. We can simply reduce that to an ongoing event (3-5 days) about giving out Nobel Prizes. I don't think we need a separate blurb for each Nobel Prize laureate unless a good reason can be provided to make an exception for this particular person/these particular people (same applies to all other nominations of Nobel laureates). An absolutely notable event, but not worthy of six separate news bits (which anyway won't normally fit in the ITN template, as it normally houses 4-5). Comment struck due to the issue being discussed at talk. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:08, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Szmenderowiecki Usually the most common criticism here is not enough turnover, not too much. That said, this issue is under discussion at WT:ITN 331dot (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support - articles seem to meet the requirements, but specifying which countries or simply ending the blurb with "safeguard freedom of speech" might be preferable. - Indefensible (talk) 03:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support and comment I think we should mention The Philippines and Russia are their home countries.-TenorTwelve (talk) 06:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is historic for the Philippines, their first Nobel Prize. Showiecz (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • This was not the first time a Filipino won a Nobel Peace Prize. In 2007, Jose Ramon Villarin of Ateneo de Manila University was part of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that won the Nobel; and as Muratov will tell you, the award wasn't for him. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support if the home countries (Philippines, Russia) would be mentioned. Simply saying "home countries" leaves it on an awkward ending.
• Comment - they may be working to improve free speech in their home countries of the Philippines and Russia, but really in principle they are improving worldwide human rights access. It would be preferable to link freedom of speech in the blurb than draw attention to the 2 countries, and the article seems to meet quality requirements for the front page too. - Indefensible (talk) 19:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Suggested altblurb to this effect. - Indefensible (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Post-posting concern. … for their efforts to improve freedom of speech sounds like they're engaged in legal or constitutional reform. Maybe "preserve", or, as the official rationale has it, "safeguard"? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Switched to "safeguard" as suggested. --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

2021 Kunduz mosque bombing

Article: 2021 Kunduz mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A suicide bomb attack at a mosque in the Afghan city of Kunduz kills at least 50 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Good article. Deadliest assault since US forces left. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality not a good article, it's a stub of length 1,000 characters. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support because it's certainly notable enough. It's being rapidly improved & expanded. Jim Michael (talk) 15:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – At 247 WORDS (as of 15:30 ) rather stubby and thin. – Sca (talk) 15:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose disaster stub and bombings in Afghanistan are as frequent as other things which are perceived as routine and consistently derided as non-notable at ITN. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  True enough, but another factor is the death toll, in this case reported as "at least 50." Just sayin'. – Sca (talk) 18:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• Slight support - It isn't fantastic, but it is big news. Heythereimaguy (talk) 00:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support No more stubby than that earthquake in Balochistan, with far more death and international intrigue. Widely covered, too. While bombings in Afghanistan were common during the war, they usually involved military/police forces; blowing up a mosque is rare in all contexts, and I can't recall any such atrocity used in relation to the Uyghur plight. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Insufficient article quality. --Tataral (talk) 11:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Still less than 500 words – rather thin for MP promotion. – Sca (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Global minimum corporate tax

Article: Corporate tax (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 136 nations agree on a global minimum corporate tax rate of 15% in an agreement orchestrated by the OECD (Post)
News source(s): FT, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by A. C. Santacruz (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: WP article isn't great but the news are very notable within tax law and global evasion. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 08:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Regardless of whether it's significant enough (I'm not sure), the article has numerous quality-related problems and includes no less than six maintenance tags highlighting various problems with the article, and would need a major rewrite and cleanup. --Tataral (talk) 11:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Tataral Perhaps corporate haven is a better article? the blurb could be changed to "136 nations agree on a global minimum corporate tax rate of 15% in an agreement orchestrated by the OECD as a measure to stop the use of corporate havens"? The corporate havens article is in sore need of splits and summarizing due to its large size. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 21:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment - can this tax rule even be enforced? It's just an agreement and even if it were broken, we can't say for sure whether any action would be taken against whichever country breaks it (if America broke it, I doubt any country (barring a couple of countries) would stand up against them). An agreement over nuclear weapons would be more worthy of inclusion as breaking it has much more serious consequences. Tube·of·Light 13:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Tube of Light corporate tax havens are an incredibly consequential aspect of the modern financial world, as evident by economic importance of tax inversion and BEPS.

• Comment - The most significant part of this tax agreement is the fact that tax haven countries like Ireland also signed onto the agreement.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Comment – Presumably the 136 countries each would have to legislate this minimum into effect. Also, the target is a general article about corporate taxes, and doesn't mention this agreement – which AFAIK has generally been absent from prime RS sites. – Sca (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Sca - Here are some more links: The Guardian, CNBC, Washington Post. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 21:56, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, found three RS articles, added above. Changing opsn to comment for now. – Sca (talk) 23:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, but support in principle for the subject eventually getting a blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• FWIW, I nominated this back in June when the G7 proposed this Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2021#(Closed) G7 agreement on global corporate tax rate though then it was agreed posted then would be premature due to the need for support by more nations. That support seems to be this point in time. --Masem (t) 22:37, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment per above: the article unfortunately needs a major scrub before it will be able to meet the guidelines and get posted on the front page, it might be easier to create a standalone article dedicated to this new deal and then cross-link it with the broader article. But we may also have to wait until further details come out and have more reliable sources available to write that content. Because of that, guessing it will probably miss the window again here, but if a draft is started now then it may be ready for posting at whatever the next milestone related to this subject is. - Indefensible (talk) 23:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Reminder This only applies to big corporations, grossing 20 billion Euros or more a year. Not as universal as the blurb suggests. Also not taking effect for at least a couple of years, in theory, with ten years of exemption for some (maybe most). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • It's not 20B Euro, its about 750M Euro/yr. Further, as stated "It is estimated to generate around $150 billion in additional global tax revenues annually" which is nothing to sneeze at either. There's a separate, higher tier in the policy but that has to do with the redistribution of their taxes, and applies to those over $125B in profit/yr (which is very few) [18] --Masem (t) 00:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Aye, 20 billion is the other part (these companies combined sell $125B), was just about to correct myself. Finance is complicated! Thanks for advising. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

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