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Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Go On Lad
... that Go On Lad was voted "Advertisement of the Decade" by the British public in 2009?
Created by GeeJo (talk). Self nom at 17:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Silver King Mine
... that the location of the Silver King Mine was first discovered by a soldier building a road during the Apache Wars finding black rocks (example pictured) that flattened when struck?
Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt: That the Oceanography Society gives out the Jerlov award "in Recognition of Contribution Made to the Advancement of Our Knowledge of the Nature and Consequences of Light in the Ocean?" (might be too long) ResMar 18:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that despite being shown only three times in its entirety, the TV adOld Lions is credited with increasing sales of Carlsberglager in the UK by over four hundred percent?
Created by GeeJo (talk). Self nom at 17:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The hook contains two components, which are cited individually. The "three times in its entirety" is in the "Release" section, and cites reference 7 (as of writing this). The "400% increase" is in the "Reception" section and cites reference 17. GeeJo(t)⁄(c) • 17:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by GeeJo (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT:... that, when asked to return a prop taken from the set of IKEA's 2002 TV adLamp, the person responsible responded by calling the producers "crazy"? GeeJo(t)⁄(c) • 15:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length of the article verified. However there are some issues with the hook. The corresponding to the hook sentence in the article reads "In 1993 the creek was declared one of the state's ten worst polluted streams, with no significant living thing found except tube worms". There is no explicit mention there of uranium and mercury contamination. Moreover, I looked through the rest of the article's text and I did not see anywhere in it explicit mention of the creek's contamination by depleted uranium and mercury. Such mentions, with in-line refs directly supporting them, are necessary in order for the hook to be verified in its present form. Also, (although that's not a deal breaker), it'd be nice to know by whom (which agency) the creek was declared one of the 10 most polluted. Nsk92 (talk) 14:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hope I addressed the concerns regarding DU and Mercury, though I was unable to find what agency specifically declared it one of the top 10 though this is consistent across multiple sources from scientists, environmentalists, and not just fluffy sources. I hope that it passes muster now but please let me know if there is more I can do. Thank you for your time and work.Camelbinky (talk) 15:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, it is better now, but not OK yet. The way the hook reads now, it appears to imply that mercury and uranium were found in the creek back in 1993. The text that you added to the article says something different and mentions tests conducted in 2003. This needs to be reconciled somehow. I think you need to come up with an alt hook avoiding these problems. Nsk92 (talk) 15:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded the hook... does that look better? I'm a novice at this, this is only the third I've nominated myself, I must admit this is harder than I thought! I'm glad you are being patient with me and helping me through this, I am sorry I am taking up your time.Camelbinky (talk) 20:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I have looked more carefully at the refs used to support the hook fact. The one regarding uranium (ref no. 16) is OK. However, for the mercury contamination sentence ("Mercury has also been found in the creek downstream from the Superfund site and is being investigated by local college professors") you use ref no. 17[1]. Neither this ref nor the sentence actually mention the 2003 date. Moreover, ref 17 is a personal webpage of a university professor, rather than an actual publication. This is a bit wobbly as WP:RS for a DYK hook. Plus, as I said, the 2003 year is not mentioned there. I think the simplest thing here would be to simply drop the mention of mercury from the hook. E.g. "and heavy metals such as depleted uranium were found in the creek in 2003". Or you could look for another ref explicitly mentioning the year. Another possibility would be to replace "in 2003" by something like "within the last 10 years". However, for mercury I would then still want to see a more solid ref than a professor's personal webpage. Nsk92 (talk) 20:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Ricketts Glen State Park (pictured) in Pennsylvania was to have become a national park before budget issues and World War II ended that plan?
Comment: Expanded from 10 kB to 44 kB in a sandbox - diff of move to article space (history merge). Will be expanded a bit more, not sure if we can quite get to 5x though, so hopefully 4.7 or so is enough.
Date, length, and hook verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Eugene Goossen, Doug Ohlson
... that art historian Eugene Goossen saw abstract paintings by Doug Ohlson as depicting "yellowish pink and green dawns, blue noons, and red-orange sunsets that swiftly slide from purple to black"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hook is only mentioned in Ohlson's article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A mention has been made, with the required source, in the Goossen article. Alansohn (talk) 02:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellently done. Date, length, hook, and source verified, both times. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length verified. AGF-ing offline hook. BejinhanTalk 06:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm slightly dubious about this claim, several women served as SOE agents in France (Noor Inayat Khan and Odette Hallowes for two), working with the French Resistance, which carried out guerrilla actions, though I suppose the distinction may rest on British Army, the SOE agents often had commissions in FANY and or the Women's Auxiliary Air Force. David Underdown (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bower was commissioned in the British Army and therefore the only female guerilla. She was under the direction of the 14th Army and V Force. She was not an agent. Is this going to cause a problem for the nomination? Jack1956 (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 11:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Saw-shelled Turtle
... that the Saw-shelled Turtle is one of the few native Australian animals which successfully prey on the introduced poisonous Cane Toad? Large toads are first shredded with their front claws.
... that the Philadelphia transit strike of 1944 started when black transit workers were allowed to hold jobs previously reserved for whites only, such as streetcar motormen and conductors?
Created by Nsk92 (talk). Self nom at 08:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, expansion verified. Hook relies on the reference from the New Jersey Health Department; it does not say "should", but says "recommended", and can not be generalized to other states and countries like it is in the hook. Materialscientist (talk) 07:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Smokefoot, perhaps inadvertently, just stubified this article (cutting it down to about 1000 chars from its original 2000). I'm not going to revert it back myself because he did give an explanation for his edits in the edit summary, but since 1000 characters is below the minimum prose size, I'm not quite sure what to do to get this article back up to DYK standards. Stonemason89 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Smokefoots edits are legitimate (WP:CHEM articles indeed avoid rephrasing MSDS). A solution could be to re-expand it with non-health related information (if there are health checks for people who are going to work with SeF6, then it is used for something). I would oppose ALT1 anyway. Materialscientist (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not that hook was reworded to reflect appointment as resident superintendent by The Mount Vernon Ladies' Association, rather than by the President. Original hook had been based on his obituary in The New York Times which provided information that was misinterpreted. An alternative source more clearly describes the details of his appointment. Alansohn (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the first episode of The Force, a 2009 documentary series, followed a murder investigation after the burnt corpse of a woman was found in a suitcase?
Date and 5x+ expansion verified. However, I have a bit of an issue with the wording of the hook. The corresponding sentence in the article says: "Kirishima and her sister ship Haruna were the first two capital ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy to be built in private shipyards." Being one of the first two capital ships to be built in a private shipyard is not the same as being the first such ship, as the current hook's wording suggests. I would like to see the hook modified to more precisely correspond to what the article says. Nsk92 (talk) 16:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I've tweaked it slightly. Part of my issue is that - to avoid making the hook too long - I want to avoid the mentioning of the lack of available slipways. The way it's worded now is that she was one of the first capital ships of the IJN built in a private shipyard (which Kirishima was). Hope that helps. Cam(Chat)(Prof) 17:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now the hook sounds a little weak compared with what the article says. How about "[...]was one of the first two capital ships[...]"? Nsk92 (talk) 18:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that many crew members began to cry while filming hospital scenes for the Swedish film Glowing Stars, because they thought the scenes were emotional?
Accepted foreign language source in good faith. This meets requirements in length, citations, and neutrality. SkarmCA (talk) 23:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indoplanorbis exustus
... that the invasive freshwater snail Indoplanorbis exustus(pictured) is important in veterinary and in medical science?
It could be also added somehow a wikilink to Schistosoma spindale that is also a new article with DYK hook criteria. --Snek01 (talk) 23:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Walter Tyndale
... that artist Walter Tyndale painted landscapes and buildings in England that had inspired Thomas Hardy's famous "Wessex" novels?
The problem with this is the source for the hook is from archive.org, and the author/nominator was unable to find a year of publication for the cited source. This must be addressed before it can be accepted. SkarmCA (talk) 23:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The publication year for volume 38 of The Studio was 1906 and is on the title page. The author seems to have missed it but I see no evidence that he/she was "unable" to locate it (did you ask?). --Hegvald (talk) 08:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've double-checked all citations and refs on the page for The Studio article in question. All now have the date appended - the date also appears on the title page at archive.org (when you click on "read online"). I've also added 2 more citations for the relevant paragraph. Shadygrove2007 (talk) 09:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pflasterspektakel
... that the Pflasterspektakel ('pavement spectacle') is an annual street art festival in Linz, Austria, featuring around 400 artists from 40 nations and attracting some 200,000 visitors each year?
ALT1: The hook has 193 characters; if that's too long, the last part ("and attracting...") could be left out.
ALT2: ... that the annual Pflasterspektakel ('pavement spectacle') in Linz, Austria features over 400 international street artists?
Comment - I suggest shortening the hook - I think it says about the same. Oh and the picture is great! but it must be in the article to comply with the rules. Oh and I'd add some links to Street Art - its mostly about 2D artists. Victuallers (talk) 17:45, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your hook is fine. The article Street art, though, seems to be mostly about painting, while the Pflasterspektakel is about (see article). Any better umbrella term in English for what the artists do? --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article on Street Art is wrong. Of course (in English) the first thing you think of... is people on pavements with chalks, but the unicyclists etc are street art too. Could you spare the time to add some bits to Street Art ..... or don't link to it... You could try "installation art" but that doesnt include the chalks etc Victuallers (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I took the liberty of removing the link in your hook; the article doesn't link to Street art anyway. And I'm going to place an "accuracy disputed" template or something to the Street art article. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that the annual Pflasterspektakel ('pavement spectacle') in Linz, Austria features over 400 international street artists and attracts some 200,000 visitors each year?
Date and 5x+ expansion verified. However, the hook is over 320 characters long. Note that by the DYK rules (see WP:DYK) there is a hard 200 character limit on hook length. Please suggest a shorter hook and don't try to pack so much information into it. Nsk92 (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is fine in terms of length but I am having trouble verifying it in the article. There is a subsection there called "Saving Richardson Bay and Bolinas lagoon" but it needs to have a sentence more explicitly corresponding to what ALT1 hook says. That sentence will also need an in-line ref in it. At the moment the entire section has a single in-line ref, at the end. Per DYK rules, that's not enough in any event:"The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." Nsk92 (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that L. Martin Griffin, Jr., an environmentalist in California's Marin County, preserved the coastline by buying Audubon Canyon(pictured) which was threatened by development? — ALT hook, shorter total hook, changed photo and added inline citation for accuracy. Jusdafax 18:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but I still have a minor issue. Please add the publication details (name of the publication where the article appeared and date of the publication) to ref item 5, which is used to verify the ALT2 hook fact. Nsk92 (talk) 18:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done Ref item five now includes wiki-linked publication name and the date the article appeared in it. Thanks, and standing by. Jusdafax 19:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks, I am marking ALT2 as verified. Nsk92 (talk) 19:43, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It seems AWK to me to say that the hotel was "involved in" the scandal; though unfortunately I can't think of a better short way to phrase it, off-hand.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length of the article verified, hook length OK, hook fact verified with an on-line ref. Everything is in order. The article, while it passes the length requirements, does feel a bit short, and I suggest that you try expanding it, at least a little. Nsk92 (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1:... that the Web content lifecycle can be so complex that most experts do not agree on descriptions of the number, name, or type of stages to include in the process?
... that although the 1481 Rhodes earthquake caused only a minor tsunami, it matches the age of a tsunami deposit found near Dalaman on the Turkish coast?
... that former fighter pilot Robert V. Whitlow (pictured), although trying to secure an NFL franchise for Phoenix, said the Philadelphia Eagles' plans to relocate to Arizona did not "seem very wise"?
Length and date are confirmed, but the associated reference for the first claim ("that Wyandot chief Roundhead had his own brother executed") does not confirm this claim. Nevertheless, I think it's a more interesting DYK than ALT1, so if a suitable reference can be found to support the original claim, this would be preferable. Taiwantaffy (talk) 04:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I rearranged the references and added one more to back up the above hook. In the article, ref2 verifies their relations; ref3 states that Roundhead killed Leatherlips; ref5 again verifies their relations and also mentions Roundhead heading council that called for his death; and ref6 (a new reference) mentions the political reasons behind his execution and also points more fingers at Roundhead. — ♣№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė♫♪ 07:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Creation, date and length verified. Offline ref to movie AGF. Nice dam article. --NortyNort(Holla) 03:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rati
... that many sex positions derive their Sanskrit names from that of the Hindu goddess of sexual pleasure - Rati (pictured with her husband the lovegod Kama)?
... that the Baganda people of Buganda(flag pictured) are sometimes described as "The King's Men" because of the importance of the king, or Kabaka, in their society?
The line in the article mentions nothing about the church being located on a "former island in a lake", although the latter, about a approach from a causeway, is mentioned. SkarmCA (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Llyn is Welsh for Lake. I've added this as a "translation".--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald Garson
... that Gerald Garson, a New York Supreme Court Justice who was later convicted of accepting bribes, assured the lawyer bribing him: “Justice is being done”?
Date and length of the article verified (although in terms of length the article certainly could use one-two extra sentences). Length of the hook OK. A bit of an issue with the hook fact. The corresponding sentence in the article ("It is found from Toowoomba and the Darling Downs in south-eastern Queensland...") does not have an in-line ref. There is a ref two sentences later, at the end of the paragraph, but it is not clear what exactly that citation refers to. Please add an in-line cite to the sentence mentioning the hook fact. Nsk92 (talk) 16:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, rather than pepper the article with inline cites, what I have done is added <!-- ref cites paragraph --> at the end of the paragraph, is that okay? If you want I can add the same inline at the end of each sentence but I think it would look odd. Casliber (talk·contribs) 20:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, sorry, that's not quite good enough. The DYK rules are quite specific:"The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." I don't want a cite at the end of every sentence, but I do want it at the end of the "It is found from Toowoomba and the Darling Downs in south-eastern Queensland.." sentence. If a redundant cite there really irks you, you can remove it later, after the article has appeared and is gone from the main page. Nsk92 (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gudmund Hatt
... that Gudmund Hatt was the first investigator to systematically inventory cultural similarities and differences amongst northern people? Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment: Gudmund Hatt and Emilie Demant Hatt (see below hook) were husband and wife. If someone can come up with a hook to include both people, that might be a good way to go. Or not, is ok, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length of the article verified, length of the hook OK. I have a bit of a problem with verifying the hook. The hook ref is ref no. 5 in the article[2], which is Hatt's own paper. That is a primary source, but for a hook like the one suggested I would want to see a secondary source: that is someone other than Hatt saying that she was the first to discover [...]. Do you have a secondary ref for the hook fact? Nsk92 (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I couldn't find another source for this. There may be other references in Danish or Sami language, but the only one I found in English is within the referenced online article written by her husband, Gudmund Hatt. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Then I suggest that you try to come up with a different hook which does not have this problem. Nsk92 (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that while most of the tidewater and terrestrial glaciers in the Park are said to be thinning and receding over the last few decades, Margerie Glacier, in Alaska, is said to be stable?
Date and length of the article OK, length of the hook OK. However, after looking through this (fairly long) article a couple of times I did not find a sentence that would correspond to what the hook says. There needs to be such a sentence in the article, with an in-line ref. If I missed it, please point out which sentence it is. Nsk92 (talk) 14:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well the DYK rules do not say the exact "sentence" needs to appear in the article. But it does say the "fact" (singular) does, so I see your point. In this case, I was concluding that since he was recorded marketing Kona coffee in the 1870s (ref 19), and his great-grandson is now (ref 53, 54, 55), that simple arithmetic of dates would be allowed. For example, if one's birth date and death date are 50 years apart, although supported by different sources, we should be able to conclude that the person lived for 50 years without needing a citation for the arithmetic. Coffee was just one of their many products, actually, so perhaps a better hook would summarize the article better. There was a murder trial, but I wanted to avoid a negative hook. Let me work on it a bit. And you are right it could be split in the future, I already split out the Greenwell Store for example. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 17:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, no, sorry, that sounds a bit too WP:ORish to me, at least for a DYK entry. I'd like a hook (perhaps a different hook rather than a variation of this one) where a particular ref addresses the hook directly on point. Nsk92 (talk) 18:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that as superintendent of Mount Vernon(pictured) starting in 1937, Charles Wall would ride on horseback to inspect the grounds, which he saw restored to the way they were in the days of George Washington?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
TNM 02067
... that the fragmentary fossil jaw TNM 02067 may be the only known mainland African member of the enigmatic Gondwanatheria?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Argentodites
... that the Cretaceous mammal Argentodites is known only from a blade-like tooth with eight cusps arranged in a row?
Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
basically, almost everything is in order, but there is one minor issue with the hook ref, Kielan-Jaworowska et al article. There is an apparent typo in its title:"First ?cimolodontan [...]". Please fix that typo. Nsk92 (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, the title is correct; they only tentatively referred Argentodites to Cimolodonta, so they put a question mark there. Ucucha 17:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that is interesting. OK, I am marking the entry as verified: date and length of the article OK, hook length OK, hook fact verified (off-line ref accepted per AGF). Nsk92 (talk) 17:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that The Ecumenical Council (1960) is Salvador Dalí's portrayal of the meeting of heaven and earth, inspired by the first communication between the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury in more than four centuries?
... that Public Employees Federation president Kenneth Brynien was elected in 2006 by a margin of 860 votes out of 14,898 cast, but was unopposed for reelection in 2009?
Length OK, refs seem OK, good article, no obvious wikistyle issues. Shadygrove2007 (talk) 11:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Carl Gordon (actor)
... that Carl Gordon's character in the TV series Roc thought Larry Bird(pictured) was too good at basketball to be white, insisting "Larry Bird was born and bred in Harlem" and "his real name is Abdul Mustafa"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is all about a fictional character. It has no connection with a real-world fact. It was made up specifically to be funny. And it has no actual connection with Larry Bird. DS (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is a remark made by a fictional character about a real world person. I fail to see any relevant DYK policy guideline that would prevent an item for an article like this from being used as a hook, and it seems to me to be serving the purpose of what a hook should be doing. The picture only confirms the fact for observers that Bird is one of the whitest white people out there. Alansohn (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While there may be nothing specifically against it in the rules, the hook doesn't really work for me anyhow. It looks as if there are some other possible hooks in the article you could use though. Gatoclass (talk) 16:42, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 04:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The list of WHS candidates grows longer every year. IMO, it may be better to elaborate in the article what makes this park a worthy candidate as a WHS and use some of the interesting features as hook materials (e.g.: ... that there are almost 400 distinct species of corals in Wakatobi National Park(pictured), the largest marine national park in Indonesia and a tentative World Heritage Site since 2005?). --PFHLai (talk) 13:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestions. Note that is not the largest, and that another Indonesian marine park already had a similar DYK about the number of coral species. But I understand your concern and provided some Alts below:
Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on July 22
George F. Veenker
... that George Veenker has the highest winning percentage of any basketball coach in Michigan history and served on the NCAA Football Rules Committee from 1938 to 1945?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
List of demolished places of worship in Brighton and Hove
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Marie-Josephte Corriveau
... that Marie-Josephte Corriveau, a figure in Québécois folklore whose story has inspired many books, songs and plays and even ballet over the centuries since her execution, was gibbeted for mariticide in 1763?
Creation, length and reference verified. I added "currently" in the hook. At one point the dam had the capability of providing flood control. Obviously not anymore.--NortyNort(Holla) 09:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good call. Thanks for the tweak. --PFHLai (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I did link to wiktionary deliberately (and yes it is allowed)
Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are their older statues of one person making love? Or three, for that matter? Daniel Case (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL! Actually there are other phallic sculptures of this date which I haven't seen. I assume you don't think its important that we remove "two"..If so then just remove it. oh and congrats on 350 plus. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 16:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length, image and hook all check out (I added an inline citation for the "near Bethlehem" claim), good to go. BabelStone (talk) 23:28, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Everything checks out okay. Nicely done. SkarmCA (talk) 23:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Óscar Zamora Medinaceli
... that Óscar Zamora Medinaceli, a communist student activist and leader of a Maoist insurgency in the 1970s, would become a senator, mayor, ambassador, prefect and minister of Bolivia?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Deer Rock
... that the Deer Rock, a heritage monument of the Tlingits in Haines Borough, Alaska, USA was witness to a peaceful settlement of conflicts between Chilkoot and Chilkat clans?
Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Its unclear what the image is until you click on it. Victuallers (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Stuart F. Feldman, a co-founder of Vietnam Veterans of America was credited as having "single-handedly... won billions of dollars for veterans programs" through his lobbying efforts?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph Chaikov
... that Skulptur, a 1921 book by Joseph Chaikov, was the first book on sculpture written in Yiddish?
... that CenSeam is an initiative to biologically sample seamounts (underwater volcanoes), of which about 100,000 exist and only 350 have received attention?
Created by ResMar. Self nom at 22:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to mainspace on 22 July.
This looks good for DYK - the length, creation date (moved from userspace) and citations all check out. The hook citation checks out based on the snippet view of the book available on Google Books. Thanks. Nick Ottery (talk) 12:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This hook is screaming for a {{Says who}} tag. (Greater than the Aswan Low Dam?) Whoever made this claim has better be an authority with a wikibio. Also, what do you mean by "work"? A painting or a poem about a barrage? Might be better to use quote marks and mention that Willcocks is a British civil engineer (for the uninitiated amongst general readers on MainPage). --PFHLai (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Arthur Williams (Elevator Bandit)
... that after 33 years in jail as the "Elevator Bandit", 63-year-old Arthur Williams went on a final crime spree with a gun in one hand, a cane in the other and an oxygen tank hooked up to his nose?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created/expanded from redirect by GW Simulations (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent article, well referenced and already in very good shape. The hook is cited in-line though might I suggest a minor tweak as I think it is slightly misleading to imply that the repair was effected by an endoscope. My proposed ALTs are below. Could I also ask why the hook is referenced to the image page rather than the article itself? Not a major thing but just curious. Thanks. Nick Ottery (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a surgeon repaired damage to the CryoSat-2 satellite with the assistance of an endoscope?
ALT2: ... that a surgeon carried out an endoscopy on the CryoSat-2 satellite after a problem was found during final preparations for launch?
Either option is fine, my personal preference would be the second one. The reference to the image page was in error; the reference at the end of the next sentence was intended to cover it, I then added the surgeon's name and referenced the image page for that (it wasn't in the article itself), however I put the reference in the wrong place. I have rectified this error. Thanks. --GW… 14:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks for taking a look at that. This is now good to go for DYK. I would suggest using the ALT2 hook per the nom's preference. Nick Ottery (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, this is a terrible hook and a terrible subject for the main page. And I'd argue about whether that image is 'gloomy'. DS (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pura (Balinese temple)
... that Pura, is BalineseHindu temple that - unlike common indoor Hindu temples - it is designed as an open air place of worship?
There is no inline citation directly after the sentence where this informaiton appears in the article. Even if it were passed, it should read this way (fixing grammatical errors): "... that Pura is a BalineseHindu temple that—unlike common indoor Hindu temples—is designed as an open air place of worship?"--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the owner of the American Quarter Horse stallion Poco Pine once bet against his horse winning a Grand Championship, and lost the bet?
Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Larry Keith
... that as the first American to play Henry Higgins on Broadway in My Fair Lady, Larry Keith said he doubted if he could get away with his English accent in England, "but I think I can in New York"?
5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that The New York Times called Jim Neu's 2008 play Gang of Seven "a brief but engaging torrent of intriguing ideas and dizzying wordplay" that "rewards repeat viewing"?
ALT1:that playwrightJim Neu described himself as being "unlucky enough to be drafted after graduating college, but lucky enough not to be sent to Viet Nam"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The blinded/castration part is located in the Feuding uncle and nephew section; the joint-rule bit is in the 'A divided kingdom section.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The New Christy Minstrels, Presenting The New Christy Minstrels
double nom 5x expanded/created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 08:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, hook referencing, and 5x expansion on group verified. Settlet (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Marche, Arkansas
... that the town of Marche, Arkansas was founded by a Polish count who wanted to restore the agricultural environment familiar to most Poles before their arrival in America?
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 07:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 05:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ladies' night
... that courts in California, Maryland, and Wisconsin held that ladies' night discounts are unlawful gender discrimination under state or local statutes?
... that Adolfo Kaminsky made forged IDs for the Jewish refugees, South American leftists and North American draft dodgers? Written by User:Tazmaniacs. I only bring it here - East of Borschov 20:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kampforbundet for Rød Sportsenhet, Arbeidernes Idrettsforbund
... that for hundreds of years the Buddha was known by symbols like his footprint before images like the Seated Buddha from Gandhara(pictured) were carved in Pakistan?
Date, length, hook and picture all OK. However I suggest changing "known by symbols like his footprint" to "represented by symbols such as his footprint" in order to avoid two "like"s in the hook and because "known by symbols" doesn't quite work for me: BabelStone (talk) 12:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, though I think the original hook is clearer and I'd like to retain Sasselov's nationality and occupation. Todor→Bozhinov 07:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's still phrased too awkwardly. DS (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT: that the historianJohn Ardis Cawthon wrote about "poor whites" from the Louisiana hills scorned by plantation owners on the big rivers "considered unworthy of the historical record"?
Created by Circeus (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length of the article verified, length of the hook OK, hook refs OK. The wording of the hook looks fine to me but somebody may want to double-check the finer points of grammar and style when the entry is moved to prep. I did modify the hook slightly by adding the year. Nsk92 (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article seems very incomplete; there is nothing in there about rhythm and blues from 1980 onwards. Also, no mention of the Great British Rhythm & Blues Festival, which has been a major event in British rhythm and blues for over 20 years. BigDom 07:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a reasonable point, although the article was started in order to summarise the particular period in the 1960s when British R&B was a key phase in the development of rock music, and to forestall attempts to remove any mention of it from the main Rhythm and blues article. The article will be expanded over the next few days, or it could (perhaps) be renamed. But I still think it's appropriate to go forward for DYK. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Well, what's there is good, and the hook checks out so I'll tick this one. BigDom 12:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
José de la Borda
... that José de la Borda went from being the richest man of Taxco to near-bankruptcy to being the richest man in Zacatecas?
ALT1 ... that José de la Borda's family motto was "God gives to Borda, so Borda gives to God"?
The first hook is largely uncited in the article, and while the second hook is cited, the citation cannot be read, as the format seems to be missing a few crucial components. In the meantime, the length is confirmed. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added extra citations to support the first hook (look in the beginning and end of the second paragraph of the Mining career section). I fixed the citation number 5... it was just missing a bracket.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, and offline sources accepted in good faith. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 01:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 21:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date checked, offline source AGF. Zoeperkoe (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Los Angeles Daily News (historic)
... that the first edition of the old Los Angeles Daily News was nearly sabotaged when an explicit sex story was inserted in what was meant to be a "clean" newspaper?
Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very interesting article. Creation, link and offline ref verified AGF. --NortyNort (talk) 10:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maureen Ogden, 22nd Legislative District (New Jersey)
... that Maureen Ogden of New Jersey's 22nd Legislative District sponsored a bill making original birth certificates available to adoptees, saying "basic rights of the little babies were not being considered"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tomm Murstad, who featured in show performances on skis and started a summer camp for youths, used the moniker "Onkel Tomm" (Uncle Tom) on himself?
5x expanded by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Denise Jefferson
... that Denise Jefferson started learning to dance when she was eight, but didn't pursue a career in ballet because she "had never seen anyone who wasn't white in a ballet company"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Minor one for consideration: delete the first "had"?--Epeefleche (talk) 18:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Removed first "had", as suggested. Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Silly Billy
... that, at English fairs, women enjoyed sticking pins into Silly Billy's legs?
.... but can you find an additional ref please? Two reassures, three and you feel its a consensus view. Victuallers (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Victuallers, thanks for your review. I'm adding it now. Thanks, ArcticNight 10:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC) - Thanks AC Victuallers (talk) 12:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sadd-el-Kafara Dam
... that while the ancient Egyptians were constructing the Sadd-el-Kafara Dam in the 3rd century BC to control floods, it was destroyed by one?
Created and self nom by --NortyNort (talk) 12:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Date, length OK. Offline ref AGF. However, the hook makes it sound like the ancient Egyptians were the ones destroyed. I suggest writing it this way:
Yea, that is fine. It would be nice to include Egypt in the hook but like you said, it is hard to fit it in there without distorting who destroyed the dam. Omitting Egypt may also make a reader more curious as well. Thanks for taking the time to review it and provide an ALT.--NortyNort | Holla 03:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 09:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook refs verified. Won't it be simpler to say "worth £36 in 2010" instead of "£36 at present worth as of 2010"? Anyway, definitely a quirky (crappy?:) hook for the end of a DYK set. —Bruce1eetalk 12:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mind if I alter the hook and article to match your sensible suggestion? --Senra (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Changed as suggested --Senra (talk) 15:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit confused, and was unable to clarify w/a quick look at the refs. Does "adult head" refer to "head of household"? If it just refers to adult, might we not do better to dispense with "head"?--Epeefleche (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK I suppose, but that's a bit bland. There are plenty of stoups around; this one is described as being unique because of its elaborate decoration — the canopy and the crockets. At least the "obscurity" of the original hook carries an air of "what's that?". What do others think? Incidentally, from an Englishman, what are "druthers" (can't find it in Chambers English Dictionary, but my (American?) spell check does not query it)? Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Claude Aveline
... that a bust of Claude Aveline, a French writer, was the last sculpture created by Ossip Zadkine before his death?
ALT1 ... that at only 21, French writer Claude Aveline already founded his own publishing house called Chez Claude Aveline éditeur and was subsequently named "the youngest publisher in France"?
ALT2 ... that Portrait de L'Oiseau-Qui-N'existe-pas, a poem in French written by Claude Aveline about a nonexistent bird, was translated into 55 languages?
... that as a young priest, Alexandre Le Roy accompanied an 1881 expedition to Bagamoyo, Tanzania, during which he wrote articles for European magazines?
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and size of expansion are fine but the article contains no inline citations. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added in-line citations on some of the major points. Hope thats enough. If not, please let me know what I can do to improve the article. Thanks DJSparkyhuh? 03:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Top Secret America
... that the report "Top Secret America" revealed that over 800,000 people work for the US intelligence community?
... that, after Ryanair Flight 4102 performed an emergency landing at Rome Ciampino Airport, the airport was closed for 35 hours after the Boeing 737-8AS became stranded on the runway when the port side landing gear collapsed?
Date, length OK. However, I am having trouble finding the hook ref, which is not clearly stated in the article. But I did find other interesting things to say which are referenced, like:
... that the main town and mission of the Ibi, a Timucua tribe, were evidently destroyed by the government of Spanish Florida as a result of the Timucua Rebellion of 1656?
Date, length OK. I see the scan of the newspaper but am unable to read it, so I accept the hook fact AGF. Fixed the links and it's good to go.Yoninah (talk) 22:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You should be able to zoom in on the article with a zoom box or scroll wheel and read it that way (which is how I do it) or download the PDF and zoom with your PDF reader. However, on closer reading, it is a bit ambiguous if there was one or two 1858 voyages of the same ship. So suggest something like:W Nowicki (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length OK, but just a couple of niggles about the hook: 1) both hoards were found in fields near Wickham Market, which may or may not have been within the parish boundaries; 2) the ref indicates that there was another hoard found near WM in 1984, but it does not indicate that there were no other hoards discovered in the vicinity before 1984 or between 1984 and 2008, so it is not conclusively the "second hoard" from MW. Perhaps you could modify the hook to remove these two uncertainties. BabelStone (talk) 23:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
comment, just found in the Andris Nelsons article: "On July 25th, 2010 Nelsons made his debut at the Bayreuth Festival, conducting the opening-night performance of a new production of Lohengrin." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 05:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was a little confused by "rabbit digging and seal wallowing" at first (assuming them to be human activities), but I think it's fine. DYK hooks are supposed to grab people's attention. Length, date and hook refs all check out. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I make it about 400 short of 5x expansion -- could you add a little bit more to the article? BabelStone (talk) 23:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The May 26 2010 expansion was a copyright violation from http://www.stateparks.com/temperance_river.html . I was under the impression from here: [[3]] (A4) that copyright violations weren't counted as article length. The only prose in the revision before that was 45 characters long. Norstrem (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though I have just added about another 550. Norstrem (talk) 23:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It does not seem to be indicated as copyvio anywhere in the article history, but google shows that it is indeed copied from here. It would be useful to reviewers if you mentioned such factors in the nomination next time. On the basis that it was copyvio, the length is now OK (written before the further expansion). Date OK, and offlline hook claim AGF'd. BabelStone (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Cute hook! Yoninah (talk) 21:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wonoboyo hoard
... that the Wonoboyo hoard is a collection of 9th century golden artifacts from the Medang Kingdom that were discovered in a paddy field in Central Java during irrigation work?
aaah! a hoard that isn't from the UK! Well done. I have made changes so that it now passes the DYK rules. 1600 plus chars. Now has two refs and the hook fact is reffed. Can someone overcheck please Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length OK. I copy edited the article, and added a ref to the hook claim about the irrigation project (missing in the English language source). I have edited the hook to remove the mention of a jar as one source says 1 jar and the other says 3 jars, and I have also changed paddy field to sugar cane field per the English language source, and other copy editing of the hook. Good to go now. BabelStone (talk) 22:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually many Indonesian sources (in Indonesian language) confirmed that it was discovered in "sawah" which means "rice field or paddy field" in Indonesian language. The irrigation project on lowering the field surface is typical irrigation works for rice fields, not for sugarcane field. As far as I know, from some Indonesian media (and as far as I've remember) it was discovered in paddy field. Yet it is possible to change the crop according to the seasons, from rice in wet moonsoon season to sugarcane in dry season. And October (the month of its discovery) is a wet season, which means it was rice planting seasons. I suspect the Australian exhibition report (in english) source is somehow cite falsely on mentioned sugarcane field. (Gunkarta (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]
No. Absolutely not - not like this, anyway. It's too focused on "this MIGHT happen, at SOME POINT in the future!!!!" DS (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and hook all OK, ready to go. BabelStone (talk) 23:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Peter J. Genova
... that Peter J. Genova sponsored a bill that would make English the state's official language, stating that "Spanish has just grown too prominent in New Jersey"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and hook OK (after copying a ref to the sentence with the hook claim). Ready to go. BabelStone (talk) 23:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Deanlaw (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and hook all OK. Nice to see a bind rune hook, although I personally think that it is not quite right to call strung out runes along a single stem like these examples "bind runes" as they are very different to the traditional bind rune ligatures of two adjacent runes. BabelStone (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the alternative, but I am not sure it is better. First of all not all the team were IDF veterans or Palestinian prisoners, and besides prisoners of what? They did not climb the Mountain of Israeli-Palestinian Friendship. They climbed an unnamed mountain, and then they named it to commemorate the friendship they developed, and at last IMO the first hook is much more "hookier".--Mbz1 (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not say the fjord is located in the Arctic (only implicitly in the categories and in the titles of the sources). Also, can you confirm that the lettuce part is in the offline ref? With so many DYKs under your belt I assume you know the rules, just want to make sure. I assume the calculation is based on the time to grow lettuce as summer crop (with a hardiness of 6 it will not survive the winter there). --Pgallert (talk) 10:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Pgallert, thanks for reviewing this article. I have made it clear in the article that the fjord is located in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. I didn't want to say 'Arctic' because that would probably involve saying 'since it's north of the Arctic Circle line, it is in the Arctic' and referencing that... I thought that would disrupt the article's flow. I suppose it's just like saying 'Panama is in Central America' - if I was using this example, I wouldn't be defining the bounds of Central America. Please let me know if I should insert the Arctic bit into the article. In addition, the lettuce part is explicitly stated in the offline source - "there are 65 frost-free days at Tanquary Fiord... one could conceivably grow lettuce." Thanks, ArcticNight 11:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Arctic Night, all fine now. Offline source accepted igf. --Pgallert (talk) 13:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
x5 expansion and self nom by--Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]
To assist in verification see ref 8 which is a large web based doc. The entry for 15 December confirms the name of one of the Polish destroyers and the entries for 22 December gives the list of Royal Navy, Norwegian and Polish navies involved. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook refs verified. I moved "(pictured)" from after "Holocaust survivor" to after "Elie Wiesel". I think it looks better there, but feel free to put it back. —Bruce1eetalk 09:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that American abstract artist Frederick Hammersley devised three categories for his paintings (example pictured): "Hunches", "Geometrics", and "Organics"?
Created by Mandarax (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook ref verified. —Bruce1eetalk 10:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length verified. Foreign language ref AGF. However, while it says the hook fact in the ref (I could at least read that in German:) ), you didn't include it in the article. Yoninah (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You were right, changed. Please look which wording you prefer, because I see that the 'its' in the hook might also mean the festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding the year to the article. Reworded the hook to make it read clearly. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
1501 bytes of prose; because of the sheer number of hooks we have I'd have to ask for a bit more before approving it. WizardmanOperation Big Bear 16:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kirin Kiki
... that the Japanese actress Kirin Kiki auctioned off her first stage name on a television show because she claimed she had "nothing else to sell"?
Created by Michitaro (talk). Self nom at 13:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Creation, length and reference (Google translate) verified. --NortyNort(Holla) 10:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alan of Farfa
... that before being elected abbot of the Abbey of Farfa in central Italy, Alan of Farfa was a hermit who had gained fame for penning a popular homiliary?
Was the homiliary and him famous before or after he was elected? Maybe "who would later gain fame"? --NortyNort(Holla) 10:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you have the correct ISBN for the Brook reference? It comes up blank on Google, and references a different book on Amazon. Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
140–142 Hospital Street, Nantwich; Hospital of St Nicholas, Nantwich
Date, length for both articles OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Nice articles. I tweaked the hook to balance "16th century" with "11th century", and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. I rewrote the rollover text per DYK rules, and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Politician opposes some large project because of economic and environmental factors? Dull hook. Daniel Case (talk) 04:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Danield, can you see if you can come up with something better considering the limited information I had on this representative? Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. As an avid photographer, I added a few words from the article about just how silver phosphate was used in early photography. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
John W. Shumaker
... that John Shumaker, as new president of the University of Tennessee, ordered $493,000 in renovations and furnishings for his official residence, which had been remodeled shortly before he arrived?
Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As the article's creator, I acknowledge that this is a BLP article and the hook is admittedly negative, but I think the hook is fairly mild. Orlady (talk) 00:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. We recently had another DYK for an article that was entirely about a negative event, but we still found something positive (and hooky) to write. How about:
I have two complaints about the proposed alternative hook. First, I think it's dull; in particular, I find the stadium part unremarkable because lots of universities build new stadiums. Second, and more importantly, it's not clear that he actually accomplished those things. There's a reason that the article says he was "credited with" those things (I see that you edited it in a manner that says he actually did them; I changed the wording back, but did not change your other copy edits). These things happened while he was at the university, but it's highly unlikely that he did those things single-handedly, and the only source linking him to those accomplishments is a piece of paraphrased puffery from an executive recruiter. In contrast, the fact that Shumaker spent almost half a million dollars on the house is very solidly sourced and is still almost current news in Tennessee, even though it's been 7 years since the story first came out; here are just a few of the recent articles that discuss it: Knoxville April 2010, Chattanooga March 2010, Memphis March 2010, Knoxville January 2010. I consider my proposed hook to be pretty mild because it merely suggests that he is picky and has expensive tastes; whereas there are other facts about him that are a lot more negative. For example, I would never think of suggesting that DYK say that he used a state airplane at taxpayer expense to make weekend visits to his girlfriend, who was president of a university in Alabama (I didn't even include the girlfriend part of that story in the article, although it is solidly sourced). --Orlady (talk) 23:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the original hook is salvageable, but needs a little work for NPOV. Suggested alt:
ALT2: - that in spite of resigning as president of the University of Tennessee over a series of expenditure controversies, John Shumaker was later honored by the same institution?Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pray tell, how did the University of Tennessee honor him? I wrote the article, and I don't recall anything of the sort. --Orlady (talk) 15:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, according to your article, they named a building after him :) Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I still worry about the BLP issue on that one, why not lose the "following exp controversies" and use the rest. If thats the notable bit thats going then I would suggest it is BLP issue. Victuallers (talk) 10:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We don't have to run completely positive hooks about people, we only have to ensure that hooks are not unduly negative. My suggested alt gives a more balanced picture. Gatoclass (talk) 13:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If that hook is used, "following" should be changed to "in the midst of" the controversy -- on the day he resigned, the controversy was the hottest thing going in state politics, and a lot of his questionable expenditures were not revealed until after he resigned. I figured that my original hook (that John Shumaker, as new president of the University of Tennessee, ordered $493,000 in renovations and furnishings for his official residence, which had been remodeled shortly before he arrived?) was fairly neutral, in that it does not indicate that anybody thought there was anything wrong with his spending that money in that fashion. Indeed, in an interview the following year (reference I added to the article on Saturday 24 July), Shumaker defended the expenditure as having been reasonable. --Orlady (talk) 13:21, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that tired of taking measurements by hand, Seymour London created the first automatic sphygmomanometer using an old blood pressure cuff, a column of mercury, a pump from a fish tank and a microphone?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good for DYK. Article creation, length and sources all check out. Only suggestion might be to add a few more wikilinks into the hook - blood pressure, mercury and microphone for example. Thanks. Nick Ottery (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Snabba Cash (film)
... that actor Zac Efron is set to star in and produce the American remake of the successful Swedish thriller film Snabba Cash?
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length and date verified. I have no access to Kazhdan at the moment to verify most references, but I have no doubt in the accuracy of citations either. Todor→Bozhinov 08:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Garima Gospels
... that the Ethiopian Garima Gospels(pictured) was redated by radiocarbon testing to between 330-650, making it one of the oldest illuminated Christian manuscript in the world?
Alt:That although the Garima Gospels are believed to be among the oldest illuminated Christian manuscripts in the world, expert birdwatchers are needed to determine whether the illustrations were painted in Ethiopia or the Middle East?
It is dated between 330-650 A.D. Actually we have more than 20 illustrated Christian manuscripts written between 400-650 A.D. (Codex Beratinus, Codex Vercellensis, etc.) Codex Washingtonianus usually is dated to the beginning of the V century, but according to some authors it was written in the 4th century. I propose a something like this: "... that the Ethiopian Garima Gospels after radiocarbon examination was redated ..." It will more safe. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. But the key is the complete phrase "oldest illuminated". Most of the older manuscripts are manuscripts, not illuminate manuseripts. It is certainly the oldest surviving Ge'ez manuscript. And it is a contender for being the oldest surviving illuminated Christian manuscript. these dates are not certain, but some experts now give this one the title palm. AMuseo (talk) 18:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)AMuseo (talk) 18:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It could be the oldest. Codex Vercellensis is dated to the 4th/5th century, so we have not assurance. It is only probability, but according to the Daily Telegraph and other newspapers it is the oldest. We should be more careful. I think actual hook is the best possible. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, certainly, "oldest" anything is uncertain, but it makes a good hook. I rather favor the birdwatching hook. It would be great if some knowledgeable ornithologist could locate the artist by identifying the sixth-century ranges of those birds.AMuseo (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Technically anything with more than a few pen flourishes can be called illuminated; I think the hook is fine. If it has significant figurative images, and dates before 650 Btw, I wish Leszek would actually include details of what little illumination there is in his articles. Johnbod (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You'll like these, full page saint portraits, text with elaborate surrounds. Quite extraordinary that such a fragile object survived.AMuseo (talk) 13:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length and date of both are fine, and "five fingered jack" is explicitly cited, but there's no inline citation for "tender brake". According to APNI, Paczkowska & Chapman (2000) use the name "tender brake", so if you've got access to that, that would be plenty. --Stemonitis (talk) 10:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Of the references used in the page, Eliot and Jones have that as the common name, as does Fairley - I just added a line and cited it. Casliber (talk·contribs) 14:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion, date and online hook ref verified, Russian refs accepted in good faith. I copyedited the hook a little. —Bruce1eetalk 09:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is a bit unclear. The American football 'Lineman' is not a term widely known outside the U.S. (for most parts of the world, a lineman is an Assistant referee (association football)), so perhaps a clarification of which sport we are talking about and in which year it occured would be good. Perhaps it should say "a Georgia Tech player" rather than "the Georgia Tech player", since he is not identified in the hook. And why is Gerald Ford piped as Jerry Ford? --Soman (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please rephrase this alt hook but the fact that they hit somebody hard doesnt remove what they did Victuallers (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your alt hook makes Ford and Borgman sound like "bad guys" for playing in the game. It creates the impression that they "agreed" that it should be a whites only game. I don't think it's fair to paint Ford and Borgmann in such a negative light. The decision by the athletic director at Michigan to bench Willis Ward was cowardly. But Ford and Borgmann were among the minority who spoke against the decision to bench Ward. Ford and Borgmann also meted out some physical retribution on the player making a racial taunt. I've revised the original hook below.
I have an issue with this phrase "racial taunt" ... my reading is that this was a racial game and some guy got hit because two people were not happy playing in it. The taunt was about racism not race - everyone in the game was from the same race. I'm not trying to say these were bad guys, but hitting a name-caller didn't make them good guys either). They were not defending racism they were participating in it.... as lots of people did. Victuallers (talk) 08:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Laccadive Sea
... that the pearls of the Laccadive Sea have been praised for about 2,000 years?
... that multisport coach Billy Laval's wife replied to his marriage proposal, "If you beat Clemson today, I will marry you", and he would later remark, "She has hated Clemson ever since"?
I can't find any mention of 'dogs' by itself in the article - all I can see is references to lion-dogs. In addition, I think that having 'dogs' as the link text might be a bit confusing to those thinking that they article they are about to visit the dog page. I also reworded the hook a little for clarity. Thanks, ArcticNight 13:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about using "Korean dogs", which appears in the first sentence of the article (see the new version of the hook)? I also reworded the article's beginning Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 14:10, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything checks out - source AGF. ArcticNight 14:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The 5x expansion and hook are fine, I just wondered whether it is still correct to have the conservation status as extinct? I can see that it is based on an IUCN reference but it seems stupid when it contradicts the hook. PS I've emailed someone to see if they can release an image to use in the article, I'll add it here if there is one available. Smartse (talk) 13:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A photo would be great, thanks! The conservation status looks odd, I know, but it's a very official thing and the IUCN are slow to upgrade a status—red tape probably. As far as I know, the official IUCN status is sacrosanct until they change it. That's why I added the last sentence to the second paragraph: "Even though it has been rediscovered, the fern is still officially listed as extinct." The Kew article, under footnote #5, puts it this way: "Anogramma ascensionis (fern) Extinct – although rediscovered, it is listed as extinct while its conservation status is reassessed." To make it more clear, I've tweaked my original sentence and moved it to the end of the first paragraph. I hope that helps. Thanks, First Light (talk) 14:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And perhaps the hook should lose the word 'officially', since it's still unfortunately 'officially' extinct. First Light (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed 'officially' from the hook. First Light (talk) 04:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an image, I removed the binomial from the hook too as it made it less catchy. Someone else should probably check the article now, as I've added a fair bit of content to it. Smartse (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and image all check out, but I'd suggest altering the name. A. ascensionis may well be a parsley fern, but when we get an article on Cryptogramma crispa (remind me in a week if it hasn't appeared by then), that is where parsley fern should point. The Kew press release calls it the "Ascension Island parsley fern", which would do:
Otherwise, ready to go, as far as I can see. --Stemonitis (talk) 15:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, "Ascension Island parsley fern" appears to be more specific and accurate, so ALT1 looks good. First Light (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Having Ascension Island in the hook sounds a bit stupid IMO. How about a more exciting hook: Smartse (talk) 15:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is fine; let's leave it at that and avoid awkward constructions like "the previously considered ex[t]inct Ascension Island parsley fern". --Stemonitis (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hook, length and sources have all been verified and everything checks out. Either "U.S." or "American" would be fine, and there would be no issue if it was left out entirely. It might be useful to link to Presidency of Bill Clinton rather than to the article about Clinton as an individual. Alansohn (talk) 22:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Daniel I. Arnon was the first to demonstrate the chemical function of photosynthesis in the lab outside of a plant cell, creating sugar and starch from inputs of carbon dioxide and water?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"[I]n the lab" and "outside of a plant cell" seem redundant. Also, should it be in "a lab", instead of "the lab"?--PinkBull 04:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on July 18
Ujazdów Avenue
... that Ujazdów Avenue in Warsaw was renamed after Stalin in 1953, but the traditional name was restored three years later?
I'm fine with this hook, but I suggest inclusion of File:Joseph Dudley.jpg, the Governor of Massachusetts who heard the case in the first instance. Savidan 04:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. But the hook ref says that Ligeti dedicated his concerto to the city of Hamburg, not Marie Luise Neunecker. Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As the creator of the article, I would reply that the Schott Music page at the top mentions: "Dedication: Marie Luise Neunecker gewidmet". The name Hamburg Concerto was given to the piece because the commissioning foundation wanted the work to be associated with the city of Hamburg.Francesco Malipiero (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict, simultaneously:) Sorry, I don't see that in the ref of publisher Schott, but "Dedication: Marie Luise Neunecker gewidmet. Premiere: January 20, 2001 Hamburg, NDR, Rolf-Liebermann-Studio (D) · Marie Luise Neunecker, Horn · Conductor: George Benjamin · Asko Ensemble · Organizer: NDR das neue werk". "Gewidmet" translates to "dedicated". Do we perhaps look at different refs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're right, it's just that I read the English at the bottom and not the German at the top! Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Copper Bull
... that the Copper Bull sculpture found in Iraq in 1923 was over 4,500 years old?
Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see they pioneered the organic coffee market but can't find fair trade in the reference. It would be best to cite that hook in the lead intro. --NortyNort(Holla) 10:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Under the heading "Expansion": "UCIRI launched an appeal that led directly to the foundation of the Dutch Max Havelaar Foundation...". The fair trade movement got going because UCIRI was pushing for it, and they were one of the first fair trade producers, but I suppose it was Max Havelaar that actually created the FairTrade brand and started trading... Maybe change to "...was a pioneer of organic coffee production and one of the first fair trade suppliers?" I will change the article's lead. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me. I wish the article had a bit more punch... still, I think the story is interesting. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 Verified. It is interesting. I didn't know what fair trade was until last year and its all I drink now. Too bad most Starbucks coffee isn't. --NortyNort(Holla) 12:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
date and length of the article verified, hook length OK, hook fact verified (off-line ref accepted per AGF). I tweaked the hook slightly by adding (pictured) and by making the bolded part point to a single article. Nsk92 (talk) 19:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bob Emery
... that Bob Emery at age 46 already ranks among the 20 all-time winningest college men's ice hockey coaches, with 465 wins?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Verified. --PinkBull 05:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comma added by me for clarity. --GrapedApe (talk) 20:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"winningest" ???? Johnbod (talk) 23:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1... that Bob Emery at age 46 already ranks among the 20 all-time most successful college men's ice hockey coaches, with 465 wins?
"Winningest" is the more precise word here. "Winningest" is defined as "having achieved the most wins <the winningest coach in football>" per Merriam-Webster. See also Wiktionary. The alt "most successful" seems somewhat ambiguous. Cbl62 (talk) 18:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, now I'm more confused. What is the "Hacienda El Lucero"? Is it a neighborhood?--PinkBull 22:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I tweaked it again, giving a link to the word "Hacienda," which is a kind of rural establishment in Mexico. They were usually dedicated to agriculture in Mexico's history, but the few that exist today (legally none do) are usually tourist attractions. In this case, the word "hacienda" is part of the establishment's name.Thelmadatter (talk) 16:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Joel Kinnaman
... that Swedish actor Joel Kinnaman was a top-five contender for the lead role of the film Thor, based on the Thor of Norse mythology, because the people behind the film wanted a "Scandinavian touch" for the role?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook impresses that Lustbader proposed that juveniles should face stiffer penalties then adults. Perhaps this ambiguity should be rectified.--PinkBull 05:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed "stiffer" to "stiffening". I think that makes it a bit clearer. Alansohn (talk) 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Sorry about giving the run around, but the fact that Lustbader was in 21st Legislative District is not supported by in inline citation, as far as I can see.--PinkBull 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A source has been added to the Lustbader article to tie him to the 21st District. Alansohn (talk) 18:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also good. I liked the brevity of the original, but if it's not clear, then it has to be changed. --Stemonitis (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you mean about the first being simpler, if anyone thinks it isn't confusing then we could go with that, but if not let's go with ALT1. Smartse (talk) 20:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by MuZemike (talk). Self nom at 19:34, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 1: ... that website I Write Like reported that transcripts of rants made by Mel Gibson resemble writings by Canadian writer and feminist Margaret Atwood?
Sauganash Hotel
... that Sauganash Hotel (pictured), located at Wolf Point was Chicago's first hotel, first theater and the site where the newly-formed town elected its first town trustees?
Image, creation, length, and refs verified. Changed classification from stub to start (more appropriate anyways) to make eligible.~Gosox(55)(55) 00:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by --LAAFan (talk) 13:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Self nom on 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I find this hook misleading, as none of the 6 Hall-of-Famers mentioned were inducted as notable Indian managers, but as notable players (mostly on other teams), except perhaps Lopez, but he seems more famous as the White Sox manager. I looked up List of members of the Baseball Hall of Fame and sorted all the names by "position", and found no Cleveland managers there. Furthermore, Lajoie is a 7th Cleveland manager marked in the table on List of Cleveland Indians managers (the DYK candidate) as a Hall-of-Famer, and the first one to appear due to the chronological nature of the list, but there's no explanation (6 vs 7) in the text. --PFHLai (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This hook seems very plain. I would prefer that the first hook be modified to correct the issues raised by User: PFHLai.--PinkBull 19:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When Lajoie was manager, the team's name wasn't "Indians". --PFHLai (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Boudreau quit the Indians in 1950, 20 years before he became a Hall-of-Famer in 1970. So "later went on to" in the hook does not apply. I don't know about the other 5 (6!) Hall-of-Famers. --PFHLai (talk) 05:38, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify the 2nd alternate hook, there were 7, but Lopez was inducted as a manager, not a player. --LAAFan 15:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Joe Gordon was inducted last year, decades after his death, so "later went on to manage ..." would be impossible, unless his ghost has taken over Manny Acta's body -- please provide a ref for this, if this actually happened. (Just kidding) ;-) --PFHLai (talk) 01:18, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So was Lajoie. --PFHLai (talk) 01:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC) Not really. --PFHLai (talk) 01:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, was the not really to your crossed out comment or to the 3rd alt hook?--LAAFan 01:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To my crossed out comment. When Lajoie was manager, the team's name wasn't "Indians". --PFHLai (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the original hook was fine - other than the six should be seven - since it does not claim that they were enshrined as managers, just that they were enshrined, and that is reliably sourced. But if that is a problem, maybe ALT-4 could be "... that Baseball Hall of FamersTris Speaker and Lou Boudreau are the only two Cleveland Indians managers to lead the team to a World Series championship?" Rlendog (talk) 02:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a big problem with the original hook. However, the hook is not supported in the article with an in-line citation. It seems like it would require to reader to find support for that fact by combing through different sources. This applies to ALT 4 as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong.--PinkBull 17:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Verified.--PinkBull 18:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded hook slightly (from "that in St Mary Church is a memorial" to "that St Mary's Church contains a memorial"). BencherliteTalk 09:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Arch dam
... that the first known arch dam was the Glanum Dam, built by the Romans in modern day France during the 1st century BC?
5x expanded by --NortyNort (talk) 13:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Self nom by 13:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do we need a comma after Glanum Dam? Si Trew (talk) 17:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, I added it in.--NortyNort (talk) 21:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
date, length, all hook all check out. -Atmoz (talk) 13:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Battle of Buda (1849)
... that Hungarian National Defence Day falls on 21 May, the anniversary of the climax of the Battle of Buda (1849)(pictured)?
The article states it was the "last" day, which is not necessarily the "climactic" day.--PinkBull 18:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's true. I kinda beefed it up in the hook, should probably stick at "last day". Si Trew (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that Hungarian National Defence Day falls on 21 May, the anniversary of the last day of the Battle of Buda (1849)(pictured)?
Light front holography
... that Light front holographic methods were originally found by Stanley J. Brodsky and Guy F. de Tėramond in 2006 by mapping the spatial quark distribution in a proton to a higher dimensional warped space?
The suggestion above was modified by the article creator, to;
... that Light front holographic methods were originally found by Stanley J. Brodsky and Guy F. de Tėramond in 2006 by mapping the spatial quark distribution in a proton to a higher dimensional warped space? This new insight into the dynamics of quarks could shed new light into one of the major unsolved problems in elementary particlephysics:
why are quarks and gluons permanently bound within a proton?
([[::User:Conjecturix|Conjecturix]] (talk·contribs) |00:20, 19 July 2010</small)>
But I think reviewers will agree this is too non-neutral? Chzz ► 03:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I propose the text below which follows closely the wiki article
... that Light front holographic methods were originally found by Stanley J. Brodsky and Guy F. de Tėramond in 2006 by mapping the spatial quark distribution in a proton to a higher dimensional warped space? This new method provides a remarkably accurate first approximation to the mass spectra of mesons and baryons composed of light-quarkbound states.
There is a limit of 200 characters in a hook, that is currently 294 characters. Can you come up with a more catchy hook? Also every paragraph needs a reference, are the first three all referenced off the same paper? Smartse (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 ... that Light front holographic methods were originally found by mapping the spatial quark distribution in a proton to a higher dimensional warped space? Smartse (talk) 13:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The last version by Smartse is just fine and also neutral ... --Conjecturix (talk) 14:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with ALT3. And I believe, now, there are sufficient inline citations? Chzz ► 14:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone who has some knowledge of the subject check the article? Smartse (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have just cropped the pic - new version here - which I hope will be better for the DYK little pic. Chzz ► 04:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 07:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The latter part of the hook is part of a sentence in the article, the beginning of which states "He was said to be acutely aware of God's presence in his life..." I don't know if that type of hagiographic tone is appropriate for an encyclopedia. --PinkBull 19:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's often difficult to write around the hagiographic tone of the original sources. Here's my rewording: "Nehmé's contemporaries made special note of his constant repetition of the mantra, 'God can see me'." Let me know if you find that acceptable. — AlekJDStalk 09:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Verified. --PinkBull 14:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expansion (actually, it's 15x expansion!) verified. Date, length OK. I changed the credit line to DYKexpand and the "Nominated by" to "5x expanded by". Good to go.
Doug Turnbull
... that in 1925, Doug Turnbull became the first college lacrosse player to earn first-team All-America honors four times, and to date only three players have matched that feat?
It's a bit hard to verify because the inline citation (search for "three", second occurence) is just a link to Google Books. I'd guess we'd need at least the page number?
Also, assuming the statement is correct, "only three players" should be "only three other players". Four in total, including Turnbull. Si Trew (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is cited by page number in the references section—page 231 (current ref #7). Here is a direct link: [4]. As for your second comment, I think you are misreading it. Turnbull was one of four, but after he did it in the 1920s, three others "matched [Turnbull's] feat". Turnbull didn't match his own feat. Strikehold (talk) 00:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see the page number, sorry about that (perhaps I had looked at a different reference). There is a slight difficulty with the quotation – and perhaps I am being over-picky – in that it doesn't actually say there were only four (including him). It lists four, but only goes up to the last in 2004, and the book was printed in 2006, so I suppose someone else could have come along in the meantime. Is that too picky? As an alt, you could say the feat was unequaled for fifty-four years... Si Trew (talk) 13:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The reference seems pretty clear to me that it is listing all four-time All-Americans in order: "unequaled for the next fifty-four years. In 1976... Urso became the second... in 1986... Dressel became the third... And in 2004... Powell joined the exclusive club begun by Doug Turnbull." Here is a source explicitly stating Powell was the fourth all-time. And no, no one else has done that in the years since. Every All-American all-time is listed here by year. Strikehold (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length of the article verified, length of the hook OK. A bit of an issue with the hook fact. The hook says that she sang the national anthem in Navajo. The ref given to support this in the article is ref no 6[5]. However, this ref does not mention which language she sang the anthem in, it just says " singer of the national anthem at Kennedy Space Center as the space shuttle launched the first American Indian into space in November" (plus the year is not mentioned here explicitly either). Do you have another ref for this? Nsk92 (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The text (excluding the quoted passages) only reaches about 1383 characters, 117 short of the bare minimum. --Stemonitis (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I should probably have mentioned this the first time, but even with the length increased (thanks for that, by the way) the whole article concerns me. Your second hook concerns an "urban legend". One blog (not a reliable source, I know, but a reasonable comment) states: "The only reference to the alleged suicidal subtext of ...Next Saturday and its subsequent banning is this page on Snopes.com that thoroughly debunks it as an urban legend fueled by a single Web page." I'm not sure a single webpage (especially one that is now only accessible through archive.org) can count as an urban legend. The first hook seems to be fair, but I'm reluctant to pass it while the article focuses on one person's misinterpretation of the text (which must have been deliberate, because the accompanying photographs would have made it all clear). Maybe I'm being too harsh. Feel free to solicit a second opinion. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly dislike the first hook as it is rather misleading. The most frequent (and default) meaning of "to blow one's head off" involves shooting with a gun. That is how I understood the hook when I read it the first and the second time. The full context of the quote, however, is very different "I'll blow horns. I'll blow and blow. Next Saturday I'll blow my head off." The article puts the meaning in context but the hook does not. A hook is supposed to be interesting, yes, but going for misleading shock value is not right. Nsk92 (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on July 17
Erich Ponti
... that freshman Louisiana State Rep.Erich Ponti was quickly caught up in a maelstrom over a large pay increase for legislators in 2008?
Date, length, hook fact all verified. Tweaked wording in ALT1 and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Adiantum formosum, Adiantum aethiopicum
... that the giant maidenhair fern(pictured) of eastern Australia may reach 2 m high, rather than the 10 to 45 cm height of the commonly cultivated maidenhair?
though the ref for the 2nd fact is not next to it. Johnbod (talk) 23:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length OK. Offline ref AGF. I tweaked the hook (calling her both Anglo-American and Mexican-American is redundant) and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anup Rai
... that IndiannoblemanAnup Rai was known as "Singh Dalan" (lion crusher) because he stopped a lion from attacking Jahangir during a royal hunt?
Date, length, hook fact verified. I prefer the first hook, but would like to know why you're using the emperor's name without saying it's the emperor? This makes me more curious about who Jahangir is than the subject. How about:
ALT2: ... that IndiannoblemanAnup Rai was known as "Singh Dalan" (Lion Crusher) because he stopped a lion from attacking Mughal emperor Jahangir during a royal hunt?
ALT3: ... that IndiannoblemanAnup Rai was known as "Singh Dalan" (lion crusher) because he stopped a lion from attacking the emperor during a royal hunt?
Reply Well, I couldn't find a way to say that Jahangir was an Indian Emperor without it sounding awkwark IMO. (Also, I prefer the ALT2 hook, and I changed "Emperor" to "Mughal Emperor" to clarify who's emperor of what ). Secret Saturdays (talk to me) 23:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I italicized Singh Dalan. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Dmvward (talk). Selfnom at 19:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length, hook source all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fred Trosko
... that Eastern Michiganfootball coach Fred Trosko suffered a 29-game winless streak after the school refused to follow a conference policy allowing athletic scholarships?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hook, date, and length check out. Strikehold (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm negotiating with the creators of the videos for freely licensed picture to illustrate this article, should have that in the next day or two. — raeky(talk | edits) 01:27, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added the image I'd like associated with the nom. — raeky(talk | edits) 23:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
inc pic (maybe try another hook? These are great and "one of" sounds a bit weak) Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well I think we'd need more sources to assert that it is the most popular, which I'm 99.9% sure it is, but I didn't find a definitive source to state that... Suggestions? — raekyT 15:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length, hook source all verified. Changed "carol concerts" to "choir concerts", as that's what it says in the ref. ALT1 is really catchy and good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kerrawang is fine to go, but don't the other two need to be mentioned in the article? Smartse (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have not heard that rule before. The link is somewhat tenuous and off-topic to place in each article, and I have never seen a source comparing all three words. Each is reffed in their own article though. Casliber (talk·contribs) 21:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Items mentioned in the hook are supposed to be checked as referenced in the article, which implies they would be in the article. I would think a linkified sentence saying the items should not be confused with a reference defining each of the terms would be acceptable and would fulfill the technical requirement.μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done, the tree and the bird are now reffed in the article.
This hook cries out for a picture of the bird or the tree that the shrub is not to be confused with. μηδείς (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that in Australia, the kerrawang, which is a shrub, should not be confused with the kurrajong, a tree, or the currawong(pictured), also known as the black jay?
This ALT sounds like the confusion is acceptable outside Australia. I don't think this is what you want to say. --PFHLai (talk) 12:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. Okay. It would be good to hear from Calsiber. How about this: (μηδείς (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]
ALT2 ... that the Australian kerrawang, which is a shrub, should not be confused with the kurrajong, a tree, or the currawong(pictured), also known as the black jay?
Clinton L. Riggs
... that Clinton L. Riggs got along so poorly with most of his comrades in the Spanish–American War that he resigned his position upon returning stateside, only to later take command of the same unit?
I'd put a "..." after "stateside" to emphasis it. Si Trew (talk) 10:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
An ellipsis would put it over the character limit. I inserted a comma instead, though, which adds some emphasis. Strikehold (talk) 23:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: It's exactly 200 char with the ellipsis. Yoninah (talk) 23:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am counting 202 with an ellipsis and exactly 200 with a comma (as above). Strikehold (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I donno. Ive posted a few concerns on the talk page of the article. But right now i think it would be best if the article had more diversity in its sourcing (all the sources are from the Virginia Pilot) it seems, it also seems there is not much persistance in coverage from the event (See talk page of the article for a more elaboration). But its only my opinion of the article, others may differ on it. Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added some more references-- Esemono (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding more sources. The case study is a good fit to place in the article. As well as a few more modern sources mentioning the team from 2007. So the two worries I have had seem to be resolved. The length, date and Le Deluges hook alt are certaintly in good shape (though i still think the original hook is easier to understand just not as pun ny), Im comfortable with approving if there are no further objections? Ottawa4ever (talk) 20:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think ALT1 is best but I don't see a direct citation on the hook. ALT2 is good as well but was it the first time he used his powers or the first time that specific power was used? I see the paragraphs that the hooks are in are referenced but the hook needs to be directly referenced. I myself am not a stickler for citing references in lead intros but for DYK and the hooks you have in it, it is necessary. Also, the intro is lengthy and portions of if are exactly identical to other parts of the article. Don't get me wrong, this is a good, structured and in-depth article but just some changes should be made.--NortyNort(Holla) 12:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is a summary of the "Powers of the President of Singapore#Financial powers" section, so it is referenced by footnote 4 and the footnotes in that section. As for ALT2, my reading of the sources is that it was the first time the President had been asked to approve the Government drawing upon reserves not accumulated by it during its term of office. — SMUconlaw (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no citation 4 in that section for ALT1. ALT1 is summarized in many other areas of the article and closest Cit 4 is in this section but it is not directly on the hook. The only citation after that goes to the ISA which isn't financial. See where I am confused? ALT2 seems good to go but needs to reworded to show it was the first time this specific power was ever used, not the first time he used his powers.--NortyNort(Holla) 08:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Special occasion holding area
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Although let me suggest this alternate, slightly fixed version to make it clearer (IMO). Staxringold talkcontribs 18:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Date and length of the article verified. However there are some issues with the hook. The corresponding to the hook sentence in the article reads "In 1993 the creek was declared one of the state's ten worst polluted streams, with no significant living thing found except tube worms". There is no explicit mention there of uranium and mercury contamination. Moreover, I looked through the rest of the article's text and I did not see anywhere in it explicit mention of the creek's contamination by depleted uranium and mercury. Such mentions, with in-line refs directly supporting them, are necessary in order for the hook to be verified in its present form. Also, (although that's not a deal breaker), it'd be nice to know by whom (which agency) the creek was declared one of the 10 most polluted. Nsk92 (talk) 14:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Looks good; foreign-language hook accepted in good faith. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hook is only mentioned in Ohlson's article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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This is all about a fictional character. It has no connection with a real-world fact. It was made up specifically to be funny. And it has no actual connection with Larry Bird. DS (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
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fine although I'd remove "being the result of a merger" to improve the hookiness of the hook. Victuallers (talk) 06:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
