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This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section – it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

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Glossary

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps

  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers

  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.

Suggestions

April 23

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(Closed) WASP-104b

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Article: WASP-104b (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: WASP-104b, a Hot Jupiter exoplanet discovered in 2014, has been labeled as the “darkest planet” ever found and darker than charcoal, with about 99% of light observed. (Post)
News source(s): (New Scientist) (Inquisitr) (I4U)
Credits:
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RD: Dave Nelson

Article: Dave Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resignation of Armenian PM

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Article: Serzh Sargsyan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Serzh Sargsyan resigns as Prime Minister of Armenia, following large-scale protests (Post)
News source(s): GuardianBBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Supersedes the protests nomination below; article needs some work with cites. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, 2018 Armenian protests needs updating to reference the protests' successful outcome. FWIW I think this should be a "two bold article" blurb.--LukeSurl t c 15:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Duchess of Cambridge gives birth to a son the fifth in line to the British throne (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is going to be going round the world like wildfire when the states wakes up to this news, this is going to to be in the news all round the world and has already begun. WTKitty (talk) 12:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Very much a stub as of time of writing this.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to neutral, as we didn't post one for Charlotte. Yet another example of how ITN is IMHO dysfunctional because it serves as a vassal for editor prejudice and original research rather than reader convenience and the posting of things that are actually *in the news*. But hey ho, there's nothing I can do about that I guess...  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru What "prejudice" is involved here? No prejudice was involved in forming my opinion. ITN is not a news ticker and has never been based solely on what is in the news(if it were, we would post Donald Trump's tweets almost daily); we use factors like editorial judgement and article quality to evaluate what merits posting. As I stated, we did not post Charlotte because her birth is of little consequence as she is not directly in line for the throne, once George has kids she will be bumped down. The same goes for this child. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: you say it's down to editorial judgement, yet the judgement of those who !vote here seems to differ from the judgement of all the most of the major news outlets of the world, including the serious outlets not just tabloids. I get that WP:OR and WP:SYNTH don't apply to main page content selection, but we should still be presenting the world as it is, not how we think it should be, and it should still be reader-focused. Perhaps you and I have a different view of what ITN should be about, but I think one of its main purposes, especially given its prominent position on the main page, should be to navigate editors to the articles they want to see at the moment. Kate Middleton's article has seen a big spike in views in the past couple of days, because readers want to read it, and "she is not directly in line for the throne" is not a reason why we shouldn't provide a link to the article for people.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Readers want to read about Kim Kardashian's hairstyle, should that be a permanent link in the ITN box? We need to reflect what readers are interested in, but this is also an encyclopedia, and what readers are interested in also needs to be viewed through that lens. ITN is not a news ticker or tabloid. What you think is important for readers is not necessarily what I think is important for readers, or what other editors think, and so on. Hence the need for discussion and consensus. "She/he is not in line for the throne" is absolutely a reason not to post this, as if it was not a royal birth, it would not be in the news at all. It has no consequence to who the head of state of the UK/other nations is(which is why George was posted). If consensus turns and decides this merits posting, I would post it despite my personal views, but I don't expect that to happen. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We posted George because he is directly in line for the throne, we didn't post Charlotte because she isn't, the same should go for this son. Once George has children, his new brother will be bumped down the line. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per 331dot. Mjroots (talk) 12:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Children are born all the time. What 331dot said. talk to !dave 12:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. George was maybe justified (just about) as he will probably become king some day. Other more minor royal births are not. It would be huge systemic bias if we posted this sort of story about the British royal family but not those of other countries. Just being in the news is not sufficient for ITN; we are not a tabloid newspaper. Modest Genius talk 12:51, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Along the lines of Extra, Extra: Woman Has Baby; Bear Defecates In Woods. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 12:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Modest Genius; the number of "ifs" for this child to become king are too many to count. --Masem (t) 13:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - by the logic above how did the winner of a horse race get to be in the news then? It is still just a horse race and hundreds take place each day. What is being missed here is this is not What is notable but what is in the news. Articles are for what is notable. ITN is well for what is in the news that is connected to articles. This event will have more coverage than it deseerves, but it will get massive amounts of coverage. How this does not meet the ITN standards is beyond me. All I see from the opposers is I don't like this being given news coverage so lets not include it. That is not hwo ITN works AFAIK. WTKitty (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also since when did the need to sit ones arse on the British throne become criteria for what is and is not in the news? I assume from the comments here the Wedding of Prince Harry is an automatic no because his arse isn't going to be sat on the throne of England because he is behind this boy. These decisions must be consistent or they are simply arbitrary. WTKitty (talk) 13:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular horse race, the horse you want us to promote on the main page came in third. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above is nothing to do with this nomination it is distraction, there is zero criteria ere regarding ITN it is all just simple opinion and Like/dislike of nominations. WTKitty (talk) 13:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We judge significance of news, not just number of articles written about a subject. Otherwise ITN would be all Kardashian all the time. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm a monarchist and this doesn't belong on the main page. While I am very happy for the couple, the birth of princes that have no realistic chance of succeeding to the throne is just not that important. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Add We don't really have a lot of precedent for this sort of thing as monarchies have gone out of style in much of the world and the British Royal Family is typically the only one that gets a lot of global press. But FWIW my feeling is that the birth or death of heirs apparent, that is to say those who in the normal course of events are expected to succeed to a throne, probably should get a blurb. Others who are not expected to succeed usually will not merit any notice here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

April 22

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  • UK Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt writes to social media firms including Google and Facebook giving them until the end of the month to come up with ways to counter online bullying, underage usage, and unhealthy amounts of interaction online. He says they will face new legislation if they do not comply. (BBC News)
  • Tanzania's Communications Regulatory Authority issues a two week deadline for bloggers, Internet TV shows, and other online content creators and distributors to register with the government. (Xinhua)

Sports

2018 London Marathon

Article: 2018 London Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 2018 London Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge wins the men's race and Vivian Cheruiyot wins the women's race. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Slim but sufficient article on an ITN/R item. LukeSurl t c 16:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyzstan PM

Article: Muhammetkaliy Abulgaziyev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Muhammetkaliy Abulgaziyev is appointed as the new prime minister of Kyrgyzstan. (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Not ITNR but considering the stability situation in the region, this change of govt seems pretty big.
Granted the article is woeful, but if its supportive pending improvements here then that'd be an incentive to improve the article. (MKR down under may be getting more headlines but this is more globally important). Lihaas (talk) 05:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OH well. Still, a country with population of 6 million and gdp the size of Guam's is not worthy an ITN mention, imho. Randomnickname567 (talk) 09:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Size and population are irrelevant. Per longstanding consensus, we post most if not all changes in head-of-state. Also, please leave your jingoistic sentiments at the door; your comments about the country being "unimportant" and "not worthy" are frankly insulting.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 2018 Kabul suicide bombing

Article: April 2018 Kabul suicide bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 57 people are killed in a bombing in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Post)
News source(s): CNN reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Barely a stub now, but with nearly 60 people killed its guaranteed to be posted once it has a few more lines of prose. LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

support IFF the article is up to scratch. this is a high death toll even for Afghan standards.Lihaas (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, support in principle - Feel free to contact me when the article is improved and I will support this, but all ITN listings should meet the quality thresholds necessary. We posted last month's Kabul bombing because it demonstrated clear significance. I believe 331dot's argument that we shouldn't post this because they seem to happen frequently is a blatantly obvious WP:CRYSTAL argument. Unlike annually scheduled events, you can't just declare that a mass killing in Kabul will happen every month, or that it's just Afghanistan being Afghanistan. I'd even say that asking "Are we going to post one of these a month?" is subtly jingoistic of you, even though I wouldn't go as far as to say you made the argument in bad faith. The significance of this event is beyond question based on our precedents; it's the quality of the article that should be addressed instead. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is not WP:CRYSTAL to state that Afghanistan has a history of terrorist attacks and that it seems unlikely to change in the near future.(if any expert or politician foresees a quick end to the terrorism there, I'd love to read that piece.) The War in Afghanistan template in the nominated article shows 4 attacks(not including this one) this year, 14 last year, 19 in 2016, and 11 in 2015. That's just about one a month, and that is just the ones that merit articles. I am just asking if we are going to have a permanent Afghanistan War link in the ITN box, maybe in Ongoing. No more, no less. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh

Article: Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Palestinian lecturer. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nabi Tajima

Article: Nabi Tajima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ryan Reeder (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comments: World's oldest person, longest-lived person thus far in the 21st century, and third-oldest of all time

Possibly. We gave a blurb to the last person born in the 1800s, Emma Morano.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DOB says August 4, 1900 ... which would be the start of the 20th century. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, the 20th century began on January 1st, 1901. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah? Ok, I stand corrected. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Verne Troyer

Article: Verne Troyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 JuneGloom07 Talk 20:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

India death penalty for child rapists

Articles: Unnao rape case (talk · history · tag) and Kathua rape case (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's Cabinet has approved the introduction of the death penalty for child rapists, amid uproar over Kathua rape case and Unnao rape case. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Making news because of the two cases. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

oppose considering the executive asks the final KANGAROO court to review its decision...this is nothing more than vote grabbing.Lihaas (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Brandmeister MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Shane Yarran

Article: Shane Yarran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Samuel Wiki (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • This still a BLP, and I’m uncomfortable that an article with so much negative information would be put on the Main Page when he has just taken his own life. Ultimately the admins will decide if my concerns have validity. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD : Rajinder Sachar

Article: Rajinder Sachar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, The Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Skr15081997 (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, article has been updated and sources added wherever required. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea nuclear site

Articles: Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site (talk · history · tag) and North Korea and weapons of mass destruction (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: North Korea says it is closing its nuclear test site. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ North Korea says it will suspend its nuclear weapon testing program and shut down the Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site in advance of summits with South Korea and the United States.
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

 50.30.144.20 (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose quite the surprise, however the target article is a stub class with no mention of the shut down. In addition, the article provided is very vague in terms of content, as it does not mention why North Korea shut down the facility; most of the content in the source is also just a repeat of past events. SamaranEmerald (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is a bit more to this story than just shutting down the test site; I've added a different target and blurb, though the target is not yet updated with this news. --Masem (t) 00:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Oppose if it wasn’t for the fact that the summit between Kim and Moon are next week, I would undoubtedly support this nomination. However the summit itself will be the dominating news next week, which will largely make this nomination, should it be posted, obsolete. Kirliator (talk) 00:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – This whole situation remains in flux. Suggest we wait to see whether the proclaimed sea change in DPRK policies actually comes to pass – in some tangible way. Sca (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Avicii

Article: Avicii (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Swedish musician and DJ Avicii dies at the age of 28. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lacking references as of this nomination. --TompaDompa (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support blurb Given his influence on pop music in general (indeed, he appeared on many lists of influential young musicians), I feel he is on the borderline of blurb/RD listing. Sceptre (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • support blurb - He is a major figure within music. His death is reported world wide.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for RD. Article is in fairly good shape source-wise, although the writing leaves a lot to be desired - it's basically all WP:PROSELINE. There are a couple of CN tags to fix and the discography needs referencing, which shouldn't take too long. Don't think he's blurb worthy.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb No, obviously no blurb. Being among a influental young musician is very very far from being top of one's field. Needs a few references here and there but overall looks pretty near ready Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - According to WP:ITNRD, "In rare cases, the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb". While Avicii has been quite famous in the past few years, he was hardly "transformative" or "leader" in his field. Is there any award or other recognition that named him as the top in world music? HaEr48 (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, wait on blurb. If the death itself becomes newsworthy for the manner of death, then we can revisit the blurb. So far, all we know is that he died. If we can't say more than that, RD is sufficient. --Jayron32 18:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, no opinion on blurb as per above. Nice4What (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Unexpected, tragic, article looks good enough, but not that big for a blurb. talk to !dave 18:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - As with others, I think we should wait on blurb until the circumstances behind the death become apparent. Jayden (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD (once a few unsourced paras are dealt with) but Oppose blurb - Barbara Bush was certainly more influential than him, and is only in RD. -Zanhe (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD as an unexpected passing of a big name in his field, but Oppose blurb on general notability. Radagast (talk) 18:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Support blurb on principle, wikipedia's editor base is normally not into modern EDM music, but it's one of the biggest music genres in todays market and he is one of it's biggest names, the unexpected young death of a supremely popular (his biggest single has 1.4 billion views on youtube) musician should be exactly what the blurb feature is made for. There's no precedent for such a big EDM musician to have died so obviously there's noone to compare it too, Frankie Knuckles never had mainstream popularity. This is the first death of a worldwide EDM figure. The Barbara Bush comparison is odd, she is not even close to being one of the most notable first ladies, unlike Avicii in EDM. Certainly meets the Paul Walker and Carrie Fisher standard, the difference here is that Star Wars and action movies appeal to an older white male base that edits Wikipedia. GuzzyG (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Definitely not making the same kind of impact of Paul Walker or Carrie Fisher's deaths, nor anywhere close to Mandela/Thatcher/Prince/Bowie. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
this was first reported two hours ago, how can you be so sure? GuzzyG (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure Fisher and Walker news was louder two hours after their deaths were reported. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously a cardiac arrest on a public flight and a car crash are more tabloid worthy then an undisclosed cause of death in Oman but we're an encyclopedia and what is more important, first death of a international (1.4 billion views on ONE song) EDM performer, or two character actors, i don't even listen to this kind of rubbish but a point has to be made if 1.4 billion people (more would be unaccounted) have listened to your song and you have died young and unexpected like this and not to mention the FIRST major performer in your field then by principle you should be blurb worthy. When historians track specific 21st century entertainment who will show up more, Avicii or Paul Walker? GuzzyG (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Final comment, i'm in shock, honestly - this Thatcher/Mandela saying has to go if we posted people like Walker and Fisher. IF you're expecting Thatcher/Mandela types then that's like 10 people a century. I think it's a straight up disgrace that a 10 day old aircrash is still on our main page but a leader in their genre dying at an unexpected young age and the number one story on the front page of BBC cannot be posted. 11 billion streams on spotify and you're not of "sufficient worldwide notability". A joke. I dislike this kind of music and am generally a luddite but i call it for what it is. GuzzyG (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: Just my opinion as it's not going to happen. This Thatcher/Mandela yardstick would be honourable but it hasn't been fully uniform. I would honestly not put Debbie Reynolds, Carrie Fisher and Paul Walker in that category of people who changed the course of human history. However there have been people from the world of popular culture whose premature deaths have been news stories in an of themselves. I'm not talking cult figures like Lil Peep, but when someone measurably famous like Avicii or Chester Bennington dies prematurely that falls in the same bracket as Fisher and Walker: well-known, contributed to multi-million dollar works, death is big news but not world changer. Just my two cents. Harambe Walks (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who are Reynolds, Fisher or Walker? I would have oppose their blurbs as well. Also, if we post blurb for Avicii then in the future someone might cite it as precedent to allow even more "famous people" blurbs. IMO, we should stick with the bar set formally by WP:ITNRD, "the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb", and not by previous example which might have been a mistake. HaEr48 (talk) 00:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting

Article: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting is held in the United Kingdom. (Post)
News source(s): BBC BBC topic
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Tidy article about a meeting of about 50 governments, almost all represented by their heads of government. Prince Charles' appointment as the next head is the main BBC headline, but I prefer simply linking to the article. I believe it's just closing as I type, a few past/preent/future tense issues can be ironed out over the next few hours. LukeSurl t c 16:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Really not a reason just an opinion.WTKitty (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walter Moody

Article: Walter Moody (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Agnès-Marie Valois

Article: Agnès-Marie Valois (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): World War Two heroine 'Angel of Dieppe' dies at 103
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: New article that is a bit short, but I believe sufficient as it is difficult to expand her story a lot without getting into trivia and legends. Iselilja (talk) 22:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Iselilja (talk) 15:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Attention needed) Armenia protests

Article: 2018 Armenian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Police in Armenia have detained an opposition MP who has been leading anti-government protests. (Post)
News source(s): via Yahoo
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Nominator's comments: Article is a little under prepared, but the protests are daily and if precedent in georgia is anything this is getting precarious. "Velvet Revolution" they are calling it (yes, soros' closed society sounds involved). --Lihaas (talk) 23:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose article is out of date, no blurb is suggested, bad nom. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems premature. The article mentions only 100 protesters, so as yet is not anywhre near the scale for an ITN posting.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now but conditional support if there's even a blurb to support (that's kind of important) and the article is improved. I'm interested, but the article has very poor translations in it such as "Oppositional signals spark the flag of Armenia, clamoring for the motto of the movement" which even with context does't make sense. The article needs a lot of work and the nom didn't even offer a blurb for me to support, so oppose by default, but if improvements are made before this closes as oppose I'll reconsider my vote. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all of the above. Kirliator (talk) 00:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - In the news now. And article looks good. Added blurb as well. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:26, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changing !vote to Support - The new blurb looks good and there has been significant progress made on the article. Now that @The Rambling Man:'s concern has been dealt with & @Pawnkingthree:'s concern that there were only 100 protesters is obsolete (now there's reportedly well over 50,000 participating and hundreds of arrests) I no longer have reasons to oppose this blurb. The latest developments in this event seem to be warning signs of a government in crisis, meaning this story demonstrates long-term significance regardless of whether the protests succeed or fail. Update: I reinforce my support now that this article has been significantly improved since my last comment. I am impressed with the the sourcing and the subject has become more notable with the resignation of high-level politicians as a direct response to the protests. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC) BrendonTheWizard (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability, really a minor protest. The article claims that 115k people participated in it (some 5 times the size of the largest rally during the 2014 revolution in the Ukraine), but it's sourced by twitter of all places. Which brings me to the quality threshold, which I think the article does not pass. Many statements are very poorly sourced by twitter/facebook posts, many are not sourced at all. IF someone fixes them then maybe I can tentatively support it, but then the blurb should mention the actual number of people on the square since the current one may be misleading, not to mention that arresting an mp in itself for organising a rally is not in itself ITN-worthy Randomnickname567 (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to Support now that Sargsyan has resigned, which makes the protests a notable event. The article was improved too, most statements were sources, and notable unsourced ones I removed. Randomnickname567 (talk) 13:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) Kingdom of eSwatini

Article: Swaziland (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Swaziland's King Mswati III officially renames the country the Kingdom of eSwatini. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Marking the country's 50th anniversary of independence, Swaziland's King Mswati III officially renames the country the Kingdom of eSwatini. (BBC) --
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't this been done before? Sca (talk) 20:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. This definitely needs more work.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New president of Cuba

Article: Miguel Díaz-Canel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Miguel Díaz-Canel succeeds Raúl Castro as President of Cuba (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Diaz-Canel was selected as the only candidate on Wednesday and RSs are indicating that he will be unanimously approved by the National Assembly on Thursday (i.e. later today). We should post as soon as that happens, which will be the point he officially takes over. However his article is a bit bare bones at present, with only one sentence of update edit: I've added a short section. Modest Genius talk 12:39, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of a 'Head of state' article guideline, perhaps you could link to it? Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As he is described as "a party technocrat who is little-known to the public" there's probably not much more out there to add to the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I am basing my oppose on past precedent at ITN. We generally have a higher standard for presidents prime ministers etc. But in all honesty I think I would oppose posting this in its current state even if it wasn't a head of state. It is not up to scratch for the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As Cuba is a sovereign state its covered under ITN/R and so postable as long as the quality is of a sufficient level. The article is shorter than some (given the new President is a relatively unknown technocrat in a single-party communist regime that is not exactly unusual) however it is sourced, contains the relevant biographical info and no glaring errors. Most heads of state have long careers in the public eye before they reach the top spot. Cuba has been about the Castro's and only the Castro's for the last 50 years+. Coupled with the wide variety of sanctions on the country, the lack of information in the western media on other public figures there is also not unusual. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. IMHO an article that can be summed up as "X exists, was born on... was a party technocrat... and is now the dictator err... President of country Y" no matter how well sourced, is not the kind of quality article we promote on the front page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The quality of ITNR items must be discussed at ITNC, as you well know. If it was a GA, sure, but the article is short and lean. Some people may have raised legitimate objection if given time. ghost 16:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment: perhaps the blurb could also say, while Castro remains First Secretary. Adpete (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting that any other articles linked in ITN blurbs should be subject to the same level of quality scrutiny as the main target? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I actually thought that was the case. If it isn't, there should at least be some scrutiny of them. Now, backtracking slightly on my "real leader" comment, I've seen another source (BBC) that says Díaz-Canel will in fact become the "real leader"; while the The Guardian link says it's more of a transition. I don't know, but I think the additional link to First Secretary might help. Adpete (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not nor as I believe to be true, has ever been the case. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What, zero scrutiny on an article linked from the ITN blurb? Surely that's a policy that needs fixing. Anyway, on this blurb and link, I argue that something needs to change because it's not a simple succession but more like a transition arrangement. See e.g. NY Times ("Castros still hold sway" [4]); ABC ("Castro is almost certain to remain the most powerful person in Cuba for the time being" [5]). Adpete (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a policy. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have an opinion on my proposed amendment to the blurb? Adpete (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The posted blurb is just fine and reflects reliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove from ongoing: Gaza border protests

Article: 2018 Gaza border protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: These protests are no longer making headlines. Last activity noted in the article is 16 April, last major protests were 13 April. LukeSurl t c 10:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...and the article is getting updates. The removal was an immature decision. --Mhhossein talk 13:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only substantive new information to the article, made after it was pulled, was a single sentence about a Woman's protest. It may or may not still be in the news, that's of minimal importance given that if no one can be bothered to expand the article with that information, there's no need to keep it in ongoing. It may be the biggest story in the world right now; that doesn't matter if the article is not receiving quality updates. If you can provide enough information to make it clear that this article needs, and is getting, daily updates then sure, maybe we can add it to ongoing. At the state it was in when it was removed, that was not evident from the article text. --Jayron32 14:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What Jayron32 is telling you—correctly—is that we don't care about the sources for the purposes of ITN. The purpose of the Main Page is to highlight quality Wikipedia articles, not to highlight articles for which sources exist but which haven't been written. ‑ Iridescent 18:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What I find amazing is that the amount of effort you just wasted complaining about this could have been better applied to fixing the article text. Had you, days ago, added that information to the article then it, very likely, would never have come up in discussion to be removed from ongoing. As usual, it's much easier to assume some mysterious "others" will do necessary work, and then complain when it isn't done. Go fix the article, because posting sources here is of no use to the encyclopedia. --Jayron32 18:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, the article needs to get updates. Thank you. --Mhhossein talk 16:47, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated — This protest is running on a largely weekly cycle of larger protests on Fridays. Extensive coverage continues, including profile pieces in places like The New York Times of individuals killed. I don't object to the pressure to keep the article up to date but now it is. Maybe we can avoid nominating it for removal on a Wednesday or Thursday, only to have to debate re-adding it later in the week.--Carwil (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Jerry Green (politician)

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Article: Jerry Green (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): InsiderNJ.com and MyCentralJersey.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Member of the New Jersey General Assembly from 1992 to 2018. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Dale Winton

Article: Dale Winton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trial against president Nicolás Maduro

Articles: Nicolás Maduro (talk · history · tag) and es:Tribunal Supremo de Justicia de Venezuela en el exterior ([[Talk::es:Tribunal Supremo de Justicia de Venezuela en el exterior|talk]] · history · [[[:Template:Fullurl:Talk::es:Tribunal Supremo de Justicia de Venezuela en el exterior]] tag])
Blurb: ​ The Venezuelan National Assembly approves a graft trial against president Maduro (Post)
News source(s): ABC NewsVoice of AmericaPanam Post
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I'm not sure if this should be considered for the ITN sections, but I'd still like to open a discussion. Venezuela currently has a de jure Supreme Tribunal, also called the Supreme Tribunal in exile, named during last year's protests, and a de facto one. Not long ago the de jure Supreme Tribunal approved the pre trial of Maduro due to corruption charges realted to Operation Car Wash after a motion was introduced by the former Attorney General Luisa Ortega Díaz, and yesterday the opposition controlled Assembly approved to proceed with the trial with a two thirds majority, legally removing him from the presidency. Although it's unlikely that Maduro will leave the office, the region has showed support of the decision. Jamez42 (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - for fairly obvious reasons we cannot have the target article be in Spanish, or not on en.wikipedia.org. No comment on the nomination thus far however, but without a suitable target article, any further discussion is moot. - Stormy clouds (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no target article, even the Maduro article doesn't seem to cover this in any detail. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As noted by the ABC News article, this trial is mostly symbolic, as those involved have no recognized authority by the current ruling gov't (which I'm aware its the call towards corruption in the gov't that is at issue here). And as this only is a start of the trial, it would be better to recognize when it is over; even if it has no recognized authority, various world leaders may speak towards it and support it. --Masem (t) 17:14, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional oppose - The news section for en.wikipedia.org should link to another article on en.wikipedia.org. If there was an English Wikipedia article that covers the subject, then I may reconsider, but oppose for now. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close per WP:SNOW. We will not link an article from another wiki at the main page. And the news is not newsworthy anyway: even if this was a regular trial, we would include it as news when there is a sentence, not when the trial has just started. Cambalachero (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the above user. Python Dan (talk) 02:35, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Bruno Sammartino

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Article: Bruno Sammartino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Legendary Professional Wrestler and Weightlifter Spman
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(Stale) RD: Paul Jones

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Article: Paul Jones (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Charleston Post and Courier, Canadian Online Explorer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Famous professional wrestler and manager for three decades GaryColemanFan
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(Closed) Southwest Airlines Flight 1380

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Article: Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 (aircraft pictured) suffers an uncontained engine failure, leading to the death of a passenger. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Right, before you all say "only one person died", this is a highly unusual accident. Yes, uncontained engine failures happen several times a year. However, they do not usually end in fatalities. Article is in good shape, well-formed and well referenced. Mjroots (talk) 04:22, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First fatality on a US airline since 2009 - these things are fairly rare.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:23, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose similar to the nomination made regarding the Youtube Headquarters Shooting earlier this month, this nomination has all ready attracted a number of bias from both sides of the argument, with one side stating this is “unusual” and “major”, while the other arguing that this is “minor” and “short-term”; this is the kind of nomination that spells trouble, especially if it concerns only a single fatality. Python Dan (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Python Dan, this is an example of when systematic bias put an event at a dangerous level. Besides, as unusual as this accident is in nature, this is nothing more than another aircraft accident. Kirliator (talk) 12:46, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose minor event, if it led to anything changing in the world of aviation it might be of interest, but I can't see that happening, a one-off catastrophic engine failure is just as Martinevans123 notes really, a chance in a million, and with the number of flights per day, there was always going to be a chance it'd happen some time. And it did. This would be a far better candidate for DYK as how well the pilot did getting such a broken aircraft down without further fatalities. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kirliator and TRM, a minor aircraft accident at best with almost no chance of long-term impact. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 13:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 is a major news story at this time, the first death causing American flight in close to one decade, and should be featured in ITN. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apple and pears. That crash killed 92, not one, and was one of the worst disasters of the year. This is just a minor accident. So no, we wouldn't post a rickety Soviet military plane which had an engine failure and only killed one person, definitely not. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it was a military plane and the person killed on duty, no we likely wouldn't. If it were a commercial plane and it was a passenger, we'd probably would. Unfortunately, I can't think of any close examples to pull from here and searching ITNC isn't immediately providing any results. --Masem (t) 14:26, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, you missed the point again, you're attempting to compare a hull loss with 92 deaths to a minor incident in which one person died. There is no comparison here, and just because it involved Americans and was in America, it doesn't make it more notable, despite what some supporters have said. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed just because something is not in America does not make it more notable. So just let me know the minimum number of deaths and we're all set. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)

    • The vast majority of low death toll aircraft disasters don't get posted. However, a lack of deaths does not necessarily mean a lack of notability. IMvHO, the unusual circumstances in this case merited a nomination. Mjroots (talk) 13:42, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also we generally only post commercial aviation incidents or where a larger number of civilians were involved. Incidents involving cargo planes, military planes, and private aircraft typically are not considered ITN with common sense exceptions. --Masem (t) 13:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support mostly due to the exceptionally-good article. It is in the news, so it does fit the criteria. Davey2116 (talk) 14:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - minor incident in terms of fatalities. Any lasting notability or impact will arise due to potential changes in airline policy, but to post on these grounds would be a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. If the crash is truly so intriguing, take the (admittedly excellent) article to DYK. Stormy clouds (talk) 14:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Oppose At the risk of sounding callous, things break and people die. In the grand scheme of things this is a really minor accident. (Thank God.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as noted above, a minor incident with probably very little lasting impact. Lepricavark (talk) 15:03, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Airplane accidents are not uncommon, even in the US, and often result in more deaths than this. Though airline accidents are rare in the US, in my opinion that distinction does not increase significant enough for a blurb. Mamyles (talk) 15:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) RD: Barbara Bush

Article: Barbara Bush (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former US First Lady. EternalNomad (talk) 23:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So 63 standard citations and 5 additional references is still considered “needing source work”? 66.31.81.200 (talk) 23:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When there are unsourced statements, yeah. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Kasell

Article: Carl Kasell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time American broadcaster for NPR dies at 84. Sourcing needs work. Davey2116 (talk) 23:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Matthew Mellon

Article: Matthew Mellon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Big Tom

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Article: Big Tom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Irish country music star. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • An international team researching a plastic-consuming bacterium discovered in 2016 at a Japanese landfill site announce the accidental synthesis of an artificial enzyme that breaks down plastics more efficiently than the bacterium. The team suggest the molecule could be used for environmentally sound plastics disposal. (The Guardian)

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(Closed) RD: Choi Eun-hee

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Article: Choi Eun-hee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: South Korean actress. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:09, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Harry Anderson

Article: Harry Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBCNews
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unfortunately weak in sourcing. Masem (t) 02:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove from ongoing: Rif Dimashq offensive (February–April 2018)

Article: Rif Dimashq offensive (February–April 2018) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: I propose to remove the Rif Dimashq offensive (February–April 2018) article from the main page "ongoing" section. First, the offensive is essentially complete, with the government declaring two days ago that the locale was fully liberated, and I don't see that any reliable sources are debating this; indeed reliable sources agree the locale is under full government control. Secondly, the article itself has not received any substantive updates since April 14 either. Thirdly, there is already a blurb describing both the chemical attack and the response, which seem to be where the story has migrated, seeing as the offensive itself has ended. Given those three things, we should think about taking this off of "ongoing". --Jayron32 16:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Marathon

Articles: 2018 Boston Marathon (talk · history · tag) and Desiree Linden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Yuki Kawauchi and Desiree Linden win the 2018 Boston Marathon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Desiree Linden becomes the first American woman in 33 years to win the Boston Marathon.
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: big news for American atheletics, 2nd American woman to win a major American marathon this year Cellodont (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Not to change too much from Cellodont's submission, but as the Boston Marathon is an ITNR, I've refactors this to be more to this point. I would comment that we generally do not focus to much on the first X of a nation to win this type of event (We're a global work), but we certainly can ID the winners, and if either article is in good shape, can make them secondary targets. I will note the Marathon article needs prose before this can be posted. --Masem (t) 19:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I totally agree with the new blurb, go for it. Hope someone gets this done soon, it's relevant/great news for Japan, for the USA, and everybody, really.Cellodont (talk) 20:01, 16 April 2018 (UTC)cellodont[reply]
  • Oppose Classic example of stub. Mere rephrasing of news piece. This needs non trivial work and lot of actual encylopeic prose before even considering judging its quality. At present, this is unpresentable in every respect. –Ammarpad (talk) 20:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment good point. The 2018 boston marathon article has all the salient info on the race that anyone in the future is likely to be looking for, but it's not exactly a good read as a redirect from the front page. this is big news, though....maybe the blurb should point primarily to Kawauchi's and Linden's Wikipedia articles, and secondarily to the little stub? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cellodont (talkcontribs) 20:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's a stub. A sporting event needs to do better than that. Black Kite (talk) 23:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nowhere near ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and unsure about significance. I'm typically opposed to annual events unless there's something unique that occurred during them, and if the winner was the first woman period to win the even then I'd consider that more interesting, but I'm debating whether or not the first woman in a few decades is enough to make the 2018 Boston Marathon worthy of ITN. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 19:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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