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July 20

July 20, 2020 (2020-07-20) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

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July 19

July 19, 2020 (2020-07-19) (Sunday)
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Science and technology

Emirates Mars Mission launched

Article: Emirates Mars Mission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Arab Emirates launches its first interplanetary mission to Mars. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Looking at List_of_Solar_System_probes UAE seems to be only the seventh entity after USA, USSR, EU, Japan, China, and India to send an interplanetary probe that is not piggybacked on someone else's spacecraft. See original post below for a few people supporting at launch, some at arrival. It is unusual for a new space agency to launch a probe leaving Earth's gravitational well. It entered orbit a few minutes ago, and should leave low Earth orbit in a few hours. 205.175.106.45 (talk) 22:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait per the nom below. Kingsif (talk) 23:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "not piggybacked on someone else's spacecraft" but it did piggyback on someone else's rocket, and it was built by Americans in the US. I'll admit ignorance of the field, but this doesn't really strike me as a indigenous launch. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support & Comment There seems to have been consensus to post AFTER launch occurred, per original nom. Sorry to GCG, but it was built by emirates, albeit with help from American universities.104.243.98.96 (talk) 01:04, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for landing Hardly a mission to Mars if you don't reach Mars, and right now, Dubai hasn't. Seeing a spacecraft leave Earth is mundane now, cool fifty years ago. Not sure "interplanetary" needs saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The Chinese Spacecraft to Mars is supposed to launch in 3 days (orbiter/lander/rover), and then the US spacecraft is supposed to launch 1 week later. The fact that there will be 3 spacecraft from 3 countries launching towards Mars around the same time will definitely be ITN, we should do a short blurb for UAE which will then be modified for the chinese and american spacecrafts when they launch.

2020 China floods

Article: 2020 China floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters (via Yahoo), BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: " the end of June flooding had displaced 744,000 people across 26 provinces with 81 people missing or dead.[2] In early July, the South China Morning Post reported that about 20 million residents had been affected and at least 121 people were dead or missing.[8] As of 13 July, floods have affected 37.89 million people in 27 provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities, 141 people are dead or missing, and 28,000 houses have collapsed.[5] The Ministry of Water Resources said that a total of 443 rivers nationwide have been flooded, with 33 of them swelling to the highest levels ever recorded.[9] The 2020 China floods have described as the worst since at least 1998" This is a major event affecting the world's most populous country, deserves to be in ITN. Sheila1988 (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (Stale) Tolulope Arotile

Closed, stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:18, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tolulope Arotile (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Tolulope Arotile, first female Nigerian combat pilot. (Post)
News source(s): Akinpelu, Yusuf (July 16, 2020). "OBITUARY: Tolulope Arotile: Nigeria's first female combat helicopter pilot dies in accident". Premium Times. Kingsley, Omonobi. "How NAF's first female combat helicopter pilot died in accident". The Vanguard. Retrieved 16 July 2020.
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: New article. Pending AFD, which should be resolved by a Speedy Keep. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:57, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per criteria: Articles that are subject to serious issues, as indicated by 'orange'- or 'red'-level tags at either the article level or within any section, may not be accepted for an emboldened link. ——Serial 14:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale, as she died on the 12th and the oldest RD at the moment is from the 15th. Also, AfD does not help, though it will likely result in keep. I suggest the DYK approach here, the article is long enough and new enough. --Tone 16:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

July 18

July 18, 2020 (2020-07-18) (Saturday)
Business and economy
  • Japan launches a ¥70 billion payment scheme to pay firms to move factories out of China to either Japan itself or countries within the Southeast Asian region in an attempt to better secure its supply chains. 57 firms, including face mask manufacturer Iris Ohyama, are among the first to receive the subsidy. (Bloomberg)

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(Closed) Nantes Cathedral

Not going to gain consensus, and orange tag will prevent posting in any case. Mjroots (talk) 09:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Nantes Cathedral (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nantes Cathedral (pictured), France, is damaged by fire in a suspected case of arson. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Arson destroys an organ in Nantes Cathedral.
News source(s): BBC News Online
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Nominator's comments: Article tagged for needing more references. Mjroots (talk) 12:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lack of general significance a fire of a cathedral and its suspected criminal origin? Come on!
Preceding comment posted by Alsoriano97. – Sca (talk)
Lacks broader significance; appears to be a parochial event. – Sca (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Connecting it to others ITN already ignored decreases significance by association, though. Luckily for you, the "wave" is said to exist in the US, a whole ocean away. This doesn't have to be washed out with those. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
None of these other incidents occured in a 15th century cathedral, and most were not arson, so I would never expect any of these other incidents to be considered by ITN. I'm sure none of these incidents are even connected. My comment about the recent wave was merely in response to your citing a lack of connection to the early Norwegian black metal scene as a basis for opposing.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, OK. I misread that this act gets its significance as another deliberate attack on a Catholic church. If someone commits arson in a 15th-century stone temple in North America, that would certainly be huge, regardless of denomination. But in Europe, even 300-year-old organs aren't so rare. If a representative of any musical genre opposed to church music is arrested, I'll reconsider, even someone who just prefers Anglican or Orthodox tunes. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Anti-terrorism act of 2020

Article: Anti-Terrorism Act of 2020 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Philippines, the controversial anti-terror law takes into effect. (Post)
News source(s): (Rappler)
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: It was notable because of protests and condemnation, even Greta Thurnberg and Taylor Swift oppose this. AngelesYabok (talk)

RD: Haruma Miura

Article: Haruma Miura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese actor, filmography and needs refs. PotentPotables (talk) 12:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ekaterina Alexandrovskaya

Article: Ekaterina Alexandrovskaya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TASS (in Russian), RT, Fox News, BBC, Adelaidenow
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Olympian and junior world champion Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article is of good quality and has been updated to the past tense. — UnladenSwallow (talk) 09:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
UnladenSwallow Notability is not at issue for RD nominations, as every person with an article is presumed notable enough for RD. This discussion is only to evaluate article quality/updates. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Thank you. I have updated my comment. — UnladenSwallow (talk) 09:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Preceding comment the only post from this IP address. – Sca (talk)

RD: Barry Jarman

Article: Barry Jarman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-18/former-australian-test-cricket-captain-barry-jarman-dies/11903316?section=sport
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian Test cricketer and International Cricket Council (ICC) Match Referee. HiLo48 (talk) 04:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

July 17, 2020 (2020-07-17) (Friday)
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(Posted) RD: Zizi Jeanmaire

Article: Zizi Jeanmaire (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Icon in ballet and revue, also Hollywood films. Can't believe there wasn't more article. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed)(Blurb pulled) RD/blurb: John Lewis

Posted to RD, posted to blurb, returned to RD, now the discussion is getting unproductive. There is a full consensus for RD, let's leave it like that. --Tone 13:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: John Lewis (civil rights leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American civil rights leader and congressman John Lewis dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, Atl. J-C, NPR, BBC, Guardian
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Not many sources yet, but this is confirmed by his staff so it's still worth checking into. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the only problem with the article is one citation needed tag in the SNCC Chairmanship section, but that can be easily fixed. To think that only six days ago he had a false death report. - Jon698 talk 3:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Also the obvious tense problems that come with death. --Masem (t) 03:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • However, I oppose blurb here. The death was not a surprise (he said since Dec he was on such a watch), and while an important civil rights figure, he does not carry the type of weight in the overall field of politics that would make him one of the top of the field. We may be a bit sensative to civil rights issues at the current time to think this might be important, but we to step back and recognize he was beloved, but that's not the same as top of field --Masem (t) 12:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support So sad. Article is pretty good; the forthcoming obits should be able to patch the few missing cites. Would support blurb too. Davey2116 (talk) 03:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Are we sure that it is true this time? He just released a press release earlier today according to hit site https://johnlewis.house.gov/, none of the sources say where they got these reports, and he was wrongly reported dead last week. All sounds fishy to me. 131.93.247.66 (talk) 03:55, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Right now I think the tense of his article has been updated by me and a few other people. - Jon698 talk 4:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Congressman John Lewis and minister C. T. Vivian, Freedom Riders and leaders of the civil rights movement in the United States, die at the age of 80 and 95, respectively.
I also created File:John Lewis and C.T. Vivian.jpg. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:25, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support this, an accurate and timely blurb. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support that, also. ([The US loses two icons of the civil rights movement in one day])Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
While there is a certain romanticism to the coincidence, I don't think it reflects well on us to dabble in such sentimentality (shades of Fisher/Reynolds). GreatCaesarsGhost 13:23, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: J. I. Packer

Article: J. I. Packer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ChristianityToday
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: prominent Anglican evangelical theologian Awsomaw (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @GreatCaesarsGhost: That's an interesting point. Admittedly, some sources are closely connected (Regents College particularly). I would be helpful if I had print biographies of Packer; there's at least three of them out there. Note that TheGospelCoalition source is really just pulling from the print sources, and the ChristianityToday source is written by one of his past biographers. WORLD is an independent conservative Christian magazine. So out of the four citations that I used to clean up the article, I can concede that RegentsCollege is definitely not independent (he taught there), but confirms some of the information on the subject. The other three are sources that are within his area of notability, so you can draw some sort of connection there, but none of the three are officially affiliated with him or his church (Anglican). Let me know what you think, Awsomaw (talk) 01:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Zenon Grocholewski

Article: Zenon Grocholewski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic News Agency; Vatican News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: C. T. Vivian

Article: C. T. Vivian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs some work. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roshni Nadar

Article: Roshni Nadar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Roshni Nadar becames the new HCL Tech chairperson Technologies and the first women to lead a listed IT company in India. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg Quint
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 Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Real Madrid win La Liga

Articles: Real Madrid C.F. (talk · history · tag) and La Liga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid win their 34th La Liga title. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Instagram
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 139.192.206.157 (talk) 10:16, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Iranian Explosions

Article: 2020 Iran explosions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of explosions at Iranian nuclear, military, and industrial facilities kill at least 21 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of explosions of unknown origins at Iranian nuclear, military, and industrial facilities kill at least 21 people.
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Potentially interesting item for ITN. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:24, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

July 16, 2020 (2020-07-16) (Thursday)

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RD: Neela Satyanarayanan

Article: Neela Satyanarayanan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mumbai Mirror
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: COVID-19 related TJMSmith (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Arthur J. Samberg

Article: Arthur J. Samberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times via Legacy.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: News of his death only appeared on July 16 --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Taylor (baseball)

Article: Tony Taylor (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The Philadelphia Inquirer
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Gabonese Prime Minister

Article: Rose Christiane Raponda (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rose Christiane Raponda becomes Prime Minister of Gabon. (Post)
News source(s): Gabon Media Time (in French), Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

 Tyseria (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

True, but it should be noted that there have only been 11 before her and the post did not even exist for 15 years of the country's post-independence history. The six who have served under the incumbent president have tended to last only about two years. The swinging-door nature of the office is all the more remarkable given that Gabon is one of the continent's last old-style dictatorships!  —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:03, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - The Gabonese government has seen many shuffles since the January 2019 coup attempt, but what makes this notable is her being the first woman to hold this position and that she replaced the coup-appointed PM. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 15

July 15, 2020 (2020-07-15) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Kieran O'Connor

Article: Kieran O'Connor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times; RTÉ
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Reposted) Twitter Bitcoin scam

Article: 2020 Twitter Bitcoin scam (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Several significant Twitter accounts have been compromised to promote a Bitcoin scam. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A security breach in an administrative interface used by Twitter employees led to many prominent accounts tweeting a bitcoin scam.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Twitter administrative tools are breached and used to compromise several significant accounts for a bitcoin scam.
News source(s): Forbes, Newsweek, CNBC, The Verge
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Nominator's comments: Ongoing. Major accounts such as Elon Musk's, Bill Gate's, Barack Obama's, Joe Biden's and Apple's have been hacked and affected. Jamez42 (talk) 22:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support once the article has been further developed, it is a bit too short right now but is quickly being expanded. Buttons0603 (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as article creator - being described as "the worst hack of a major social media platform yet" is clearly quite significant. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 23:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support lots of high profile people's twitter accounts being compromised to promote a bitcoin scam is something which probably should make the news. The article is being expanded quickly, so should cover most of the incident soon, if not now. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 23:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support big enough news; article covers the basics. Natureium (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing, Wait on the story but general support. I am not downplaying how big this is, but we do want to have an idea of its size, # of accounts hacked, as there have been hacks in the 100s of millions, and that's not yet apparent here, it doesn't seem as big if it was only after the most influential accounts. (eg saying "the worst hack of a major social media platform" is extreme hyperhole right now given known hacks of 3B accounts at Yahoo!) I oppose the ongoing because it appears the hack is under control for the time being, and this is certainly not like Wannacry where it is a computer virus or worm that is propagating the attack and thus would take time for it to be resolved and stop the spread; it is all at Twitter's systems, so this is a singular event, not an ongoing one. --Masem (t) 23:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, "worst" is a value judgement; personally speaking, I'd argue it is potentially worse than a hack of 3B accounts, because whilst that might be linked to poor security precautions on the part of the people who were hacked, this looks like it's shaping up to be a platform compromise rather than an account-specific compromise. (I don't know if that was the case with Yahoo too, to be fair.) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 23:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing is a non-starter, but reluctant support in principle I'm highly reluctant to post Twitter stuff here, but this seems to have crossed the social media/mainstream media barrier. I don't think any resultant investigation is ongoing-worthy, but maybe we can post convictions, if any. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as John M W says, this is not an ongoing event - but a major cybersecurity scam that appears to have compromised Obama's Twitter? Good for a blurb. Article currently looks good enough. Kingsif (talk) 00:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a hack of a social media platform hardly seems so newsworthy to support its inclusion here, regardless of whose account was hacked. Ljgua124 (talk) 02:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post Posting Support - You do understand that so many accounts got hacked, don't you? Former POTUS and future (hopefully) POTUS, richest guy in the world, largest tech company by value, and many other accounts! This is definitely serious. 45.251.33.179 (talk) 03:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I understand, it's a financial scam which made use of Twitter employee privileges, and in which posts were removed in a matter of minutes. I concur with Brigade Piron – "its real-world and long-term effects are likely to be minimal". Ljgua124 (talk) 05:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post posting support Significant cybercrime news and good to see news other than the usual disasters, conflicts or politics. Also highlights growing cryptocurrency fraud on which Wikipedia itself has had to take significant measures, WP:GS/Crypto. Gotitbro (talk) 05:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Better blurb needed. If the story here is the hacking of the accounts, then the blurb should focus on that. Mentioning bitcoin and scams tells me nothing about what this story is. In fact I came here to oppose, because a "bitcoin scam" does not sound significant to me. But the compromising of large numbers of twitter accounts is likely a major story.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not so much as those high profile Twitter accounts are compromised as staff accounts/login are compromised which allow the hacker to make post appears on the high profile accounts. Current wording at least to me implies the accounts were individually and seperately hacked. -- KTC (talk) 09:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Rushing to post details of a hack in this way is debatable. The article in question is open to anyone to edit – even IP editors – and that includes the hackers, who could use it to sow further confusion. The article has, at various times, contained an image of one of the fraudulent tweets, including details of the bitcoin account. Topics of this sort should go through some security screening, rather then being broadcast indiscriminately and in haste, to make sure that we don't become part of the problem. We're supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a live feed, like Twitter. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: There's currently a discussion on the article's talk page about the inclusion of the Bitcoin wallet - there is an argument (which I advance) that keeping it is useful for academic purposes. Very little vandalism has been seen on the article, and it's consistent with our principles that unless there was a significant issue, it would be open to anyone to edit. "Go[ing] through some security screening" is against the fundamental principles of Wikipedia - an encyclopedia that anyone can edit with well-sourced content. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Our terms of use forbid "Posting or distributing content that contains any viruses, malware, worms, Trojan horses, malicious code, or other device that could harm our technical infrastructure or system or that of our users;" Redistributing fraudulent postings seems contrary to this warning. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: A Bitcoin wallet address is a number, it is not executable code. It does not fall into the criteria of contains any viruses, malware, worms, Trojan horses, malicious code, or other device that could harm our technical infrastructure or system or that of our users. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:36, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The account number is a "device" that could "harm" "our users". Presumably that's why it has been suppressed by editors like Masem. But there has been edit-warring about this. The article is still not protected in any way and so is wide open. The pandemic should have taught people something about the ease with which a virus can spread and cause chaos. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: The account number is not a "device", it's a number, and it cannot harm the technical infrastructure or system of Wikipedia users - again, it's a number. There isn't an opportunity to spread a virus using it. Whether it could potentially harm users in other ways is a subject for debate, but we already have policy on this, and it's WP:NOTCENSORED. To my knowledge, there has been no edit warring about this, either - just people following BRD - and there's no cause for page protection, because there is no widespread vandalism, and protection is not pre-emptive. Either way, this isn't the place for this discussion - it belongs on the talk page. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Anything may be expressed as a number – see Gödel numbering. Saying that it's just a number is therefore meaningless. The issue is what may be done with the information. I would have thought it was common sense that we shouldn't be broadcasting information like bank account numbers. If the article is in hands of editors who think otherwise, it should be pulled until we can be sure of its quality and safety. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Logic here, and Anything may be expressed as a number – see Gödel numbering seems rather flawed. If I create a function that maps every word in the dictionary to something malicious, can I now claim that Wikipedia should be taken down, as everything on here is now malicious? ProcFunc has a ring to it, I must say. A bitcoin address isn't malicious, it isn't a virus. If someone is silly enough to send money to an address listed on an article about a scam, that's on them. We document the steps for hanging, weighing the benefit of the information as more important than the risk that a small percent might use it as a guide on how to hang. We write LD50s for drugs, with the risk that some drug users might treat it as a how to guide for how far they can go and end up ODing. Censorship because an address is 'malicious' is absurd, it's just another Bitcoin address, nothing technically special about it, and we can expect editors don't send money to it. Respectfully, I can't understand your reasoning. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose: I don't see what is particularly newsworthy about this. Yes, it is an impressively large piece of hacking but its real-world and long-term effects are likely to be minimal. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose. A scam that nets $100,000 is hardly Earth-shattering news. Using celebrity Twitter accounts to spread it (rather than e.g. emails or WhatsApp) makes the event more visible, but this is hardly going to have long-term encyclopaedic value. Would make a decent DYK, but is extremely underwhelming as an ITN blurb. I also think it needed more than 90 minutes of discussion before posting. Modest Genius talk 11:32, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The importance of it is not the scam, but the fact that the backend of a Silicon Valley giant was compromised. That almost never happens. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 12:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Security flaws in software or web services are not rare, even those written by large companies. The effects of this one seem less substantial than e.g. password or credit card leaks, which occur frequently. Modest Genius talk 15:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Modest Genius: If credit card information linked to one of the world's most prominent websites was breached, that would be significant, too, and I'd argue warrant an ITN post. Amazon, for instance, having credit card information breached from its users, would be of huge consequence to millions of people. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 16:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Whilst the specific combination of Amazon and millions of credit cards hasn't happened recently, see List of data breaches for the sheer number of these that occur, many involving larger companies than Twitter and far more users. Modest Genius talk 16:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose wow, less than two hours from nom to post! Per Modest Genius, this is hardly worth worrying about for its long-term impact. It's tabloid fodder, WP:TOP25 would no doubt nom it up, as would another part of the main page, but it's not ITN material. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: A major security breach of one of the most popular social networking services in the world, as it has now been confirmed to be, is definitely not "tabloid fodder" - and, indeed, worldwide news organisations agree with the assessment that it is not, if you look at what the headlines are like. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 15:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled for the time being as there is a substantial opposition to the posting. Let's first discuss here what is the proper way to continue. --Tone 12:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For future reference, is there any guidance on length of time from nom to posting? I can see why the United States going to war with China could be posted in 90 minutes but it's pretty odd in any other context. It also means only users in one time-zone may get to vote which, I suspect, is what happened here. —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is not a specific length of discussion requirement, nor a requirement that a nomination be held so users in different time zones can comment. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot, I imagine not. It would still be nice at least to show that we care about a global perspective on Wikipedia? There are uncontroversial WP:RD nominations which have not been posted after double the number of user endorsements and days after opening. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Brigade Piron It's been discussed before(minimum discussion time) and not reached consensus, as any limitation would be arbitrary- and if there are exceptions to it(such as a major news event) that would render any limitation meaningless. Even within the same time zone, people could work third shift or otherwise be unavailable to comment when users typically comment(in a given time zone). I know I'm on Wikipedia at different hours depending on my schedule. As for postings, there has to be administrators available to do so. But I digress from this discussion. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment and support as nominator: as it has been noted prevously, at least 12 bitcoins have been transferred during the scam, the equivalent of over US$110,000. It might be useful to include this information in the blurb to give a perspective of the magnitude of the scam. --Jamez42 (talk) 10:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Oscar Hugh Lipscomb

Article: Oscar Hugh Lipscomb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Birmingham News; WPMI-TV (NBC)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) 2020

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 23:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) 2020 (talk · history · tag) and Statue of Edward Colston (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bristol, the sculpture A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) 2020 is erected in place of the statue of Edward Colston. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Let's give this a try. This replaced the toppled statue of Edward Colston which we had nominated to ITN before but a consensus wasn't achieved. Is this earth-shattering news? No. But it's terribly interesting and it has made its way over to the U.S. and probably other countries as well. I urge people to give this article a closer look before pushing for a WP:SNOW close. WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 20:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's interesting and it's notable, not just as a work of art (in the objective sense), but also significant in that it's another chapter in what happened to this notable statue that has been there since the 19th century. It's rather like that statue that was put up on Wall Street of a girl standing up to a bull. Although that wasn't posted on ITN, its significance has withstood and warranted an independent article of it. I feel this is an opportunity for ITN to take a more open mind in terms of posting notable content.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 21:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It very well could be, but it's in the news right now. Where is the distinction?--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 21:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Muboshgu, According to the AP article, Mayor Marvin Rees said "the future of the plinth and what is installed on it must be decided by the people of Bristol" at some point in the future. – Sca (talk) 21:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If the people of Bristol decide to keep this statue, that would be a less notable moment than right now, when it has already been erected and the message has been sent.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 21:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And Rhodes lost his head in Cape Town the other day. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I could support this on notability if Bristolians (?) eventually voted to keep Jen Reid up there, signifying a profound cultural shift. Even as things stand now, it's drawn wide RS coverage. – Sca (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sir Toke Talagi

Article: Toke Talagi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in responding! Great! ^_^ CoryGlee (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Emirates Mars Mission

Article: Emirates Mars Mission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Arab Emirates launches its first Mars mission. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mohammed bin Rashid Space Centre launches its first Mars mission.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Arab Emirates launches its first Mars mission from Tanegashima Space Center onboard a H-IIA rocket.
News source(s): CNN
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Looking at List_of_Solar_System_probes UAE seems to be only the seventh entity after USA, USSR, EU, Japan, China, and India to send an interplanetary probe that is not piggybacked on someone else's spacecraft. Launch was delayed to two days from now, but I think when it happens, it should be posted at ITN, probably with a nicer blurb. 205.175.106.45 (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Struck ITNR justification since it isn't the country's "first successful indigenous orbital launch" since it was launched from Japan, but I still feel this merits an ITN, as the UAE's first Mars mission, a major accomplishment not many nations have achieved.--Tdl1060 (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

July 14, 2020 (2020-07-14) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Daniel Lewis Lee

Article: Daniel Lewis Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This is related to the ITNC from July 13 on US federal executions - SCOTUS ordered through the blocking order overnight and the execution was carried out this morning. Based on the comments on that ITNC, I doubt the blurb would be going through but as a BLP/BIO, RD does apply here. Masem (t) 13:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Grant Imahara

Article: Grant Imahara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8] [9]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Shocking breaking news. MythBusters and White Rabbit Project star.  Nixinova   T   C   03:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

July 13, 2020 (2020-07-13) (Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy
  • Diageo plc announces that Johnnie Walker Scotch whisky will soon be sold in paper bottles. The bottles will be made from wood pulp and will be fully recyclable. A trial run is scheduled for spring 2021. In addition, Diageo is co-launching Pulpex with venture management firm Pilot Lite that will make paper bottles for beverage companies such as Unilever and PepsiCo. (BBC News)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime
  • Capital punishment in the United States
    • An appeals court overturns a ruling by a federal judge blocking the execution of convicted murderer Daniel Lewis Lee, who along with Chevie Kehoe, murdered a family during a home invasion in Arkansas in 1996. It will be the first federal execution since 2003. (BBC News)
    • Federal district judge Tanya Chutkan blocks the four federal executions scheduled for July and August including that of Daniel Lewis Lee, whose execution was scheduled for later today per the Chicago U.S. Court of Appeals' ruling Sunday. Judge Chutkan said this will allow continuation of the condemned men’s legal challenges to the new lethal injection protocol. She stated scientific evidence before the court overwhelmingly indicates the 2019 protocol is very likely to cause extreme pain and needless suffering during their executions. The federal government is likely to appeal her ruling. (Reuters) (NPR)

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Marilyn Howard

Article: Marilyn Howard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 23rd Idaho Superintendent of Public Instruction and most recent member of the Democratic Party elected to statewide office in Idaho. Jon698 (talk) 16:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Naya Rivera

Article: Naya Rivera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times, BBC, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ventura county captain confirms body found on July 13; refs added over the last few days so should be all good. Given the circumstances of disappearance/death, I also suggest a blurb. Kingsif (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose RD and neutral on blurb Missing some citations in filmography and other tables. Once that's fixed I will Support for RD. Everything else looks ready good. I would definitely have supported this but considering the previous debate on Won-soon and Rajput's exclusion, I'm very hesitant on RD's as blurbs. Will reconsider my position depending on other peoples points. Dantheanimator (talk) 19:52, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dantheanimator: Anything not cited in filmography (etc.) is cited in prose, something supported by MOS. Kingsif (talk) 19:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: Thanks Kingsif, I had no clue. Dantheanimator (talk) 19:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, this person's death, while tragic, will have precisely zero long-term impact. It was an accident, she died young, it's definitely a sad situation, but if we're now going to continue the Carrie Fisher mistake (and Carrie Fisher had much more call for a blurb than this individual, yet it was still wholly incorrect), then ITN is morer of a running joke than I thought. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @The Rambling Man: A 4/5-day disappearance that's been making headlines around the world is a story, which is what would be blurbed, not just her death. As you said, tragic as it is, she's nowhere near famous/whatever enough for a death blurb if not for the circumstances. Of course, death blurbs are a mess of inconsistencies and debate (I didn't outright nominate for blurb because I'm still not sure where we're sitting on the 'criteria') Kingsif (talk) 21:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @The Rambling Man: You make some good points, I have thoughts (which I don't think will change your view, as they build on subjectivity) that would probably be better expressed in the death blurb discussion on talk than drawing this nom out. In short: public response to the disappearance story has been overwhelming internationally in a way you would expect for those much more notable actresses. As said, though, I'm not going to fight blurb views because of how messy the area is. Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "public response"? What, "we're sad someone young and on television has died"? I get it, and I am not suggesting this isn't getting a lot of popular traffic (just like Hamilton, see WP:TOP25) but this is no way to run the rule over who is notable enough for a blurb. We pretty much universally agreed that Carrie Fisher's posting as a blurb was a mistake, and this would just doubly double down on that: a popular yet not-transformative American actress getting a blurb? Nope. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Rambling Man What happened with Carrie Fisher nom's blurb that make it so "bad"? I wasn't with wiki when she died nor when the nom was made so I have no clue what is the big deal with Carrie Fisher. I would think being a lead Star Wars actor would be notable on its own but that's just my thoughts. Dantheanimator (talk) 22:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well yes, that's practically nailed it. She was big in one set of movies about 35 years before her death and then not much else. That was the problem. But even then, she had some historic movies behind her rather than this individual here who literally has been a US TV "star" for a while. Fisher shouldn't have been posted and sadly this individual pales into insignificance when compared to her. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Most celebrities die many years after what made them famous. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    But this "celebrity" was not "transformative". Popular, yes, but nothing more. While it may be considered disrespectful to say it, her death won't be long in the memory. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Dantheanimator: With Carrie Fisher, it was seen that she had a relatively natural death and was very famous for one franchise, without leaving any other impact, and that similar actors (especially from elsewhere in the world) would not even be considered for blurbs because the 'cult fan' thing Star Wars has doesn't apply. Posting Fisher as a blurb was kind of saying 'Star Wars is more important than better films'. Kingsif (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Body hasn't been ID'd nor a cause of death determined. In any case, very low EV. – Sca (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Body has now been identified. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious blurb, but wait for confirmation. This is a 33 year old network TV star whose disappearance was widely covered. If we don't blurb this, the RD criteria have no meaning. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    GreatCaesarsGhost same with Rajput and he didn't get a blurb. The RD criteria at this point already has no meaning. Dantheanimator (talk) 21:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    What does this have to do with the "RD criteria"? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man "Death as the main story: ... If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." Also, between 01 June to 6 July 2020, Rajput's page received 13,684,142 views (with a daily peak of 7M). That's over 10M more views than the page just under it (which had only 1,988,366 and a daily peak of 593K). One more thing "For deaths where ... the events surrounding the death merit additional explanation (such as ongoing investigations, major stories about memorial services or international reactions, etc.)." There is an ongoing investigation right now. Almost everything about Rajput's death warranted a blurb but he never got a blurb. Dantheanimator (talk) 21:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not the RD criteria then is it? That's the main ITN criteria. And you've nailed it there with "newsworthy reaction". What we're seeing herer for this individual is "sad, young actress dies in accident" but she wasn't transformative, she had not won any Academy Awards etc, in two days time this will be completely forgotten by 99.999% of people, and finally, please we all need to stop attempting to equate ITN candidates with pageviews. If that's what we really want to do, base it on popularity, not encyclopedic significance, then someone start an RFC to rework ITN to match that expectation. If not, please go to WP:TOP25 where you can find all the "popular" pages. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rambling Man don't get me wrong, I 100% agree with you and that's why I'm putting myself as neutral for the blurb. The only reason I'm equating page views with Rajput because the disparity is very, very large (I could also cite Google search trends if you like, which would also be very high). I am arguing for the same point you are (that this nom doesn't qualify for a blurb) just differently though. Dantheanimator (talk) 21:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    TRM, as ever, maintains that TOP25 (fun as it is) shouldn't dictate blurbs. Now, I don't think the difference between Rajput and other articles viewed that week adds much when he didn't have a notable death nor was a particularly influential actor. FWIW, Rivera was the top-viewed article last week, and dragged two other Glee actors into the top 25 with her, but this also isn't much support for the blurb case here. Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Both, I would be more than happy that, following an RFC to confirm that pageviews should form a constituent part of the decision-making process at ITN, we then institute that approach. Kingsif, you're right, and in fact I mentioned this very news story as it was top of the WP:TOP25 fun list. I also noted that most of the remainder of the top ten was related to Hamilton (the musical). We can't just look at pageviews and equate it to notability or even newsworthiness. But, as I mentioned, if an RFC is formulated which incorporates pageviews somehow, I'd be glad to see the proposal. In the meantime, this is an encyclopedia. We blurb a handful of individuals deaths a year, and they are usually considered the deeply significant, transformative individuals. We don't (or shouldn't) post "popular" TV actresses who die, albeit far too soon. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I am saying I agree, there's a shaky line at ITN between things that are actually in the news (which often dictates pageviews) and then things that are meaningfully in the news (rather than things reported to generate traffic, which also gets pageviews). I support ITN/C discussion taking precedence over but they have 5 million views arguments. Kingsif (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    As a point of reference, the inauguration of Donald Trump and the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court were two events that were both the top headline in virtually all papers across the world, and dominated page views at their respective times, but did not find consensus to post. (Trump's was eventually posted, but only because the protests surrounding the inauguration became notable in themselves). So even though the main aim of ITN is to showcase articles related to topics that are in the news, that is always nuanced by convention and the way consensus is built here. There is an oft-used adage that "ITN is not a news-ticker".  — Amakuru (talk) 23:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Ventura county sheriff press conference confirmed at 2pm PDT (9pm UTC). Pinging @Sca and GreatCaesarsGhost: as update to their 'wait's :) Kingsif (talk) 21:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, weak support for blurb Though not necessarily a "transformative figure", the story of her death is an international story itself. This is not a usual passing away, but the result of a five-day search with her young son surviving. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment tagging this good to go for the RD, and suggesting blurb discussion is allowed to continue, no point in holding up RD as the article is in good order and consensus for that exists. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only An unexpected death may warrant a blurb. This one doesn’t. P-K3 (talk) 22:38, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb I don't find the argument that the disappearance itself has been a headline story for days plausible when no-one nominated it here. If that story had been nominated and halted pending conclusion before the worst happened, then this would have had a much better chance for posting as something that ended tragically. In general, people tend to overstate all preceding events before the worst happens and so seems to be the case here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sensible were waiting before proposing a disappearance that would never get posted, but when the article of a not-otherwise-current/relevant actress was the top viewed on Wikipedia before she was found dead, it is entirely plausible that the disappearance was indeed a big story. Kingsif (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, RD only. The point of the "unusual circumstances" clause is that such deaths can be considered for a blurb outside of the usual extremely high bar for blurbing if it's a regular old age death (the much-discussed "Thatcher/Mandela test"). The clause does not imply that such deaths must automatically be elevated to blurb status. The question is whether we consider the story of the death significant enough for the blurb section, applying the usual standards that we would for any other story. In this case, like others above I don't think the story of Rivera's disappeareance and death is of sufficient global and overall significance, although of course it is very tragic particularly for such a young person with small children. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As they say on Star Trek, "She's dead Jim". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:10, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    She is. Are you supporting the RD, the blurb or both? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Filmography and below is poorly referenced. Stephen 23:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb unfortunately accidents and suicides (esp among entertainers, sportspeople etc or overdoses) or occur from time to time and there is nothing particularly notable about this accident (as opposed to suicides related to scandals and so forth). Bumbubookworm (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Stephen I think everything that lacked a citation in the table(s) is referenced inline in the prose. Can you let me know if anything is missing? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few days ago I went through and checked the filmography, I didn't think I'd missed anything but I'll add those and check the others again. And will add prose refs in the filmography, per suggestion below. Kingsif (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Very minor point, but the episode count for Step Up: High Water is given as 20 episodes, but I don't think that number is mentioned in the prose. Not citing those entries mentioned elsewhere does seem an odd way of doing things, personally I'd just repeat the ref in both the table and the prose, to avoid confusion and accidental removal if the text is later changed, but it is permitted anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:31, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only As we found out last week, blurbs are not for people about whom, prior to their death, most of the world's population would have said "who?" Black Kite (talk) 23:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Stephen and The Rambling Man: refs updated. There's no unified ref for the number of Royal Family or Devious Maids episodes. For the latter, they're all on YouTube so a note with the five YT links could be added. Royal Family seems too old, but if she was in every episode then it's correct. Kingsif (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 00:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani skirmishes

Article: 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani skirmishes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least sixteen people are killed in border clashes between Armenian and Azerbaijani Armed Forces. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, AP, BBC (updated), NYT (updated)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: More significant than a comet & to-be-Euro news. Invisible Lad (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment wow, this is a really strange day for me I guess. This is the second time I was about to nominate something but saw it was already posted in the past few minutes. Also would like to respectfully disagree with you comments on the comet and ERM II accession. Regarding the nom, I'll have to Weakly Oppose. Unless someone else brings up a good point, this feels too minor (and more or less insignificant) for ITN inclusion. For this to be posted to ITN, I would expect at least 10 soldiers killed and some injured. Dantheanimator (talk) 16:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per updates I'd imagine if something like this happened at the Korean DMZ, it would have had no trouble getting on ITN. Also support per below. If anything changes, I cannot update since I will not be editing Wiki anymore (for a long while) due to my obligations. It was a privilege working with everyone. Thank you. Dantheanimator (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – This locale has seen periodic skirmishes and warfare off & on for decades. The latest flareup seems like more of the same, without notable significance ... yet. – Sca (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Armenia and Azerbaijan always have minor skirmishes from time to time, but these are exceptional. They are the largest skirmishes since the 2016 4 day war, and unlike in 2016, these skirmishes are directly between the international borders of the two countries rather than on the line of contact in Nagorno-Karabakh. This is unusual, and it is the biggest fighting to have occurred on the border since the 1994 war. A 2-star Azerbaijani general has been killed, and there are protests going on in Baku in support of war. Achemish (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While significant seems like the reaction is relatively mute, compared to past instances, perhaps due to the pandemic. Not sure on long term impacts but this is clearly "in the news" material. Gotitbro (talk) 05:28, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've updated the blurb per recent developments, could we have an admin for assessment? Brandmeistertalk 22:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Oppose till issues fixed The background section has no references. Other than that there is a primary sources orange tag in the reactions section. I'm less worried about that myself, as reactions are the sort of thing you can just verify with the source of the reaction itself, as long as no interpretation is made. The tag should be either removed as not valid, or the issue resolved though, prior to posting.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted - the two issues I raised above have been resolved, and there is solid consensus to post otherwise.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Washington NFL team confirm name change

Consensus will not develop to post. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Washington Redskins name controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Washington American football confirm they will change their controversial name and logo. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
 Long running saga over the offensive "Redskins" nickname appears to have come to an end. The name controversy article is a GA. P-K3 (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Eleanor Sokoloff

Article: Eleanor Sokoloff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Philadelphia Inquirer
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unique piano teacher for 80 years and a few, wanted to return to teaching after summer vacation, at age 106. Sourcing, however, is limited. There could be tons of sources, all bios of her now famous students mentioning her name, but she taught them early, so did not actually shape their playing beyond groundwork. See Keith Jarrett, whom she had forgotten when he came to visit her with thanks. (Anecdote not yet in the article. Feel free.) Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Reposted) RD: Zindzi Mandela

Article: Zindzi Mandela (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:25, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pulled. Given that two users object to the article on NPOV grounds, I have pulled it for the time being. If the issues are resolved, or consensus becomes clear again in favour, then it can be re-posted. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also Coffeeandcrumbs (talk · contribs), I looked through his page and did find a section about his use of Twitter and the controversy related to it. The section is called "Social media". Dantheanimator (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dantheanimator, yes of course there is controversy but it is not sectioned off as controversy and highlighted. Section headings should not be inherently negative or prejudiced. The "Social media" section also includes information that is not negative like "his tweets have been considered official statements". Please read WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION. It explains everything I am saying. Of course "most controversial living person on Twitter" is an opinion. Everything I write on a talk page is my opinion and my interpretation of the guidelines on Wikipedia as I understand. There is no need for me to say IMO. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 17:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear. You really do need to read the things you rely on (and avoid nonsense like "No BLP should have a controversy section"). WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION says ""Controversy" is not necessarily part of the name of such a section". It's not the name of the section that is the issue. Either way this article is now on the MP (as will Trump's be, despite sections about controversies and entire articles about it too), and the information is still there - there has been no change in the NPOV from when it was refused to when it was posted. - SchroCat (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Support per above. Thank you Amakuru for actually paying attention to the changing consensus and pulling it after the change, which is what real, true, and proper admins should do. We need more admins like you. Dantheanimator (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC) *Oppose per Muboshgu. Dantheanimator (talk) 16:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, yeah she definitely passed the Thatcher/Mandela test. I'm a little wary though of supporting any RD for a blurb now after the whole Park Won-soon event and everything else that happened thus far. As such, I'm going to leave myself as Neutral for the blurb until someone else offers a convincing claim with some convincing evidence.Dantheanimator (talk) 21:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest we post this one on odd-numbered dates only. – Sca (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dantheanimator: my comment was just a joke! There's no way Zindzi Mandela's death would ever be considered for a blurb, unless it happened under very unusual circumstances. I wrote the line in small text, which is usually a clue that it's a less-than-serious comment, much like Sca's immediately above this one. (I believe the small text can cause problems for people with impaired vision though, so it should be used with caution). Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sca I know it was a joke and that's why I italicized "definitely" and "Mandela" (since "obviously" she would fit the requirements because she literally is a Mandela). Sorry for the misunderstanding. In hindsight, maybe I should have bolded the words or placed them in quotes. Anyways. who cares, its just a joke. ;) Dantheanimator (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) First federal US Execution in over a decade

Reports of an execution were greatly overstated (or at least delayed). Either way, WP:SNOW close.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 15:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Capital punishment in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Convicted murderer Daniel Lewis Lee is sentenced to death in the first federal execution since 2003. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the first federal execution since 2003, a court overturns a ruling blocking Daniel Lewis Lee's execution.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After a court overturned a court ruling blocking Daniel Lewis Lee's execution, he will be the first federal execution since 2003.
News source(s): [12]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: First federal execution in a long time. Dantheanimator (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2020 Polish presidential election

Stale.  Nixinova   T   C   (non-admin closure) 01:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Polish presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent President Andrzej Duda is re-elected after winning 51.2% of the votes in a second round run-off. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The National Electoral Commission announces that incumbent President Andrzej Duda has been re-elected after winning 51.2% of the votes in a second round run-off with challenger Rafał Trzaskowski.
Alternative blurb II: ​ President Andrzej Duda is re-elected after the National Electoral Commission announces that he won 51.2% of the votes in a second round run-off.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Poland, incumbent President Andrzej Duda is re-elected with 51.2% of the vote in a second round run-off.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, dpa (Eng.)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: If there is any mistake, please tell me. This is my first proper ITNR nom. Dantheanimator (talk) 12:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you The Rambling Man. Yeah, should have included Poland in the blurbs. Thanks for improving them. Dantheanimator (talk) 15:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or, there's always "In Poland, x x x" – Sca (talk) 14:04, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but do we have to put three kisses in the hook like that?! Seems a little unencyclopedic...  — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC) [reply]
How do you feel about elipses? – Sca (talk) 21:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Amakuru those two sections need to be referenced, and there should be some prose in the Results section.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Needs citations throughout and a prose update. Kingsif (talk) 17:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is "improving" rapidly as additional information is being added by contributors. From a strictly news perspective, this has very significant impact in European politics as Poland is still one of the biggest members of the EU. Definitely a polarized election which would have seen significant shift in European politics had it also gone the other way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.243.98.96 (talk) 19:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
– Or did you mean a Polonized election? – Sca (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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