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*::No it's not! Especially now we are running with a new system, as long as it's ready within a week ... — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' What's there seems narrowly over the line, though I would acknowledge there are issues. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' What's there seems narrowly over the line, though I would acknowledge there are issues. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' This is now stale. Even had it been posted, it would have cycled off by now. [[Special:Contributions/104.243.98.96|104.243.98.96]] ([[User talk:104.243.98.96|talk]]) 08:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC) |
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December 20
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RD: Doug Anthony
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-20/former-deputy-prime-minister-doug-anthony-dies/12590524?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf241285205&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf241285205=1&fbclid=IwAR26tDWqGAQ-YRUiMmpM1BwWFR2fI_PODkZ3vOBa6n--04M4mZZ84leqbPs
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australia's longest-serving deputy prime minister HiLo48 (talk) 03:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. While the subject is MORE than notable to qualify for ITN, along with a pretty slow week in terms of news, the article in question is somewhat under-referenced and doesn’t quite meet the standards of ITN. If the article is improved, I’ll support putting it on ITN. The Image Editor (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. There's some uncited material, including the birth date. Something appears missing or scrambled at the start of the section "Deputy Prime Minister (1975–1983)". Otherwise looks in reasonable shape, although I have not done a sources check. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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2020 United States federal government data breach
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Zazpot (talk · give credit) and GoingBatty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Bit late to post this as blurb now, how about ongoing? Banedon (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Tentative support Having now read WP:ITNCRIT, it's clear the article meets the second criterion. (Check the article's reflist if you think press coverage has been narrow or shallow, and I'm sure you'll see it has not been; the topic is very much "in the news" and seems likely to be significant for a while, both politically and technologically.) As the article creator, though, I feel I should abstain on whether the quality of the article is sufficient, so I'll just comment that I hope other editors feel I have done a good job with it. (And if not, then I'll try to engage on the article's talk page to address specific criticisms.)
Comment As the article creator, I think I should abstain from voting on this. I'll let other people decide. Thanks for pinging me, though,Thanks, Zazpot (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC); edited Zazpot (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC) - Comment I think this would have been better suited as a blurb if it was nominated a few days ago. But I'm not sure if it will work for ongoing. I mean, how long would we keep it,till the investigations are concluded? Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Not really "in the news" or "ongoing" (the breach has already happened). If the article was about an investigation into this which was receiving significant continuous media coverage that would be different. This is better suited for a blurb, but even then the exact extent is not known to gauge its aptness for that. Gotitbro (talk) 12:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose not in the news, not ongoing-worthy, not remarkable in any sense, not even really interesting. So that's a no. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support blurb The article is really good, which is the most important thing. This would be hard to find normally because of the title, so we could do some good by featuring it. I'm confused by the "not in the news" comments; I can't get away from this story. I don't think that we should go straight to ongoing just because it was expanded over a few days. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not in my news, anywhere. Much more interesting and novel things in the news than this. Also, not a US ticker. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose This may be in the news but definitely not on the front page and it doesn't portend anything with a long-lasting impact. And if the article looks good, then it could get nominated for an FP and appear on the main page as such but I'm not going to buy that argument to make concessions on this nomination.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – There was some coverage, but the 'breach' doesn't seem highly impactful in a world dominated by more threatening issues. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose It's definitely in the news, but its a slow-motion train wreck that's being attributed to yet more antics from the Trump administration that did actions to allow it to happen, and hence getting a bit of over-coverage here in the US. --Masem (t) 14:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support, either a blurb or ongoing. "Not in the news"? Please, give me a break! As of today, it is front page news at BBC[1], France24[2], DeutcheWelle[3], LeMonde[4], just for starters. Guardin reports[5] that, with Trump still being silent, Biden has indicated there will be significant retaliation once he takes office. This story definitely has legs and it will have major impact. Nsk92 (talk) 15:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Let's wait for the impact, then judge whether it's major. – Sca (talk) 15:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, it's America so it's guaranteed to have a "bigly impact". After all, it's only the US that gets hacked by the Russians, isn't it? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- The horrible but impactful Americans raise their ugly heads once again. Help! — Sca (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Terrible business. I suggest we all climb into boats and have a rowing race down the Thames, to settle this once and for all. — Amakuru (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Or a round of snooooker. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Terrible business. I suggest we all climb into boats and have a rowing race down the Thames, to settle this once and for all. — Amakuru (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- The horrible but impactful Americans raise their ugly heads once again. Help! — Sca (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, it's America so it's guaranteed to have a "bigly impact". After all, it's only the US that gets hacked by the Russians, isn't it? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Let's wait for the impact, then judge whether it's major. – Sca (talk) 15:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hah, BBC.com, sure. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- A blurb would require a separate nom I believe. Gotitbro (talk) 19:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. We blurbed the Indian farmers protests from what was originally an Ongoing nomination. Personally I think it should be very rare for a story to go straight to Ongoing, with no blurb first. If it's newsworthy enough to merit an Ongoing entry then we should first tell our readers about the opening and latest developments, as a full blurb. Then move to Ongoing once it falls off the bottom. — Amakuru (talk) 20:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Not really impactful enough IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- ...he said tactfully but impactfully. – Sca (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Listing me as an "updater" is kind, but may be misleading. I primarily worked on making the references look consistent. I didn't make any significant updates to the content. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- What he means is, his impact on the nom. was modest. – Sca (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Fun Fact An incident this major calls for "Federal Responders" to "safeguard" the details of it, to "the extent permitted" by law, per section III(c) of Presidential Policy Directive 41. What happened will be speculative, hard to find and/or partially factual. That much is near certain. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose ongoing, Support blurb when information regarding the investigation is revealed, i think the blurb ks better suit for this. 36.65.40.44 (talk) 23:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Espionage and signal intelligence has been an ongoing activity of great powers for over 100 years. Nowadays "the NSA intercepts and stores the communications of over a billion people worldwide" and that probably includes everything that we're typing here too. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support Blurb I don't remember seeing such sustained coverage of what should otherwise be usual espionage. Trump's silence is also more interesting. Maybe re-nom as blurb? 104.243.98.96 (talk) 08:22, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jerry Relph
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheTechnician27 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Not super long, but seems okay for a one-term state senator. No ref problems I can see. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Needs a source for the birth date (only year in source given) and middle initial. There is very little detail between 1974 (legal graduation) and 2016 (election), though his notability derives solely from his short political career. Otherwise seems an acceptable start-class article. ETA: I note, however, there's been some conflict over the text on his votes in office; a part of this section has now been removed but looking at the history all of it appears to be disputed. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing too much dispute there outside of the insulin claim, which shouldn't be that hard to verify, but probably not worth it if it's contentious. What's left in the article now appears to be fairly cut and dry. There's no wiki article on the publication for the DOB source I just added, but the article's from a former Star Tribune/New Yorker political writer, so it looks like RS to me Nohomersryan (talk) 06:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support bare bones, but given his non-notable career until 2016, I suppose it's understandable. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good enough. Every paragraph is cited and it isn't a stub. Mlb96 (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Pierre Buyoya
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former dictator of Burundi dies from COVID-19. Alsoriano97 (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Half of the article is uncited. Mlb96 (talk) 01:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. In addition to the lack of sourcing, there is no clarity on, for example, whether he was in prison at the time of his death. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:07, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Òscar Ribas Reig
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diari d'Andorra
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Williamsdoritios (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: 1st Prime Minister of Andorra who led the Principality during the Constituent process. Working to improve his article. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Vast majority uncited. I wish you luck in improving this mess. Gex4pls (talk) 03:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Recent edits have unfortunately created a garbled mess. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm working on it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Attention required Espresso Addict Gex4pls. Can you both take a look now? I have improved it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Alsoriano97: It's somewhat improved, thanks, but still nowhere near main-page quality. There needs to be a coherent account of his notable career in detail, which is completely sourced to reliable sources. For example, just under "Beginnings" (which I'll edit to something better in a moment), when did he join the National Liberal Party; which exact party is referred to (wikilink); was he elected to the General Council or appointed in some fashion; if elected in what election, representing whom; what did he do as a council member; what happened between 1979 and 1981... And so on. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contribution, but I have to say that I'm struggling to find information as there's few specific information in the net. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict and Gex4pls: I added more sources and info, but as I said, there's not much more. I will continue tomorrow if it's necessary. Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- The article is significantly better now, thanks. I'm still puzzled by what happened between 1979 and 1981 -- was the General Council dissolved, or was he just not elected in 1979? Also there's nothing on the basic personal life -- marriage(s), children -- apart from unsourced material in the infobox. There's also a requested source in the awards. I have not checked the non-English sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict and Gex4pls: I added more sources and info, but as I said, there's not much more. I will continue tomorrow if it's necessary. Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contribution, but I have to say that I'm struggling to find information as there's few specific information in the net. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- It is significantly improved, though I've noticed one one uncited sentence and a preexisting cn tag. Get those fixed and I'll change my !vote to a Support. Gex4pls (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: José Vicente Rangel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, El País
Credits:
- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Venezuelan senior ranking politician, including former Vice President, presdential candidate and journalist. Prominent figure in the left wing political history of the country. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment 1 section unreferenced (tagged) and a couple of citations elsewhere (tagged), could also use ISBN's for the books if available. Will support when fixed. JW 1961 Talk 21:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Incoherent, no information on his career in government, lacks sources throughout. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Michael Jeffery
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7062335/former-governor-general-gentleman-and-great-australian-michael-jeffery-dies/
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Governor-General of Australia HiLo48 (talk) 06:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose several cn tags and unreferenced paragraphs Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose at present per WP:PROMO. Lots of advert-like language at the moment, though that could probably be fixed relatively quickly. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:38, 18 December 2020 (UTC)- Support. It's been cleaned up substantially. Only outstanding issue I see that we're missing a page reference for Who's Who in Australia, but I'm not super worried about that. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:05, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I've removed some promotional text, but there are still sources required throughout. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- @MSGJ, Black Kite, Dumelow, Stephen, and Spencer:, pardon the intrusion, this is ready to be posted to homepage / RD. Thanks Amakuru. Ktin (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: John Barnard Jenkins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/cymrufyw/55362586
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Kosack (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former leader of Welsh nationalist group Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru. Imprisoned for a bombing campaign in Wales and surrounding areas. 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-referenced. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Jeremy Bulloch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Boba Fett. Needs some sourcing. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support. Pretty well sourced, in the process of replacing some references to his website. Per below, filmography needs work. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 22:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Folks, sorry about this, but, the filmography section is almost fully unsourced. Will have to be sourced prior to going to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 22:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- That was something I overlooked, I'll see what I can add. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 22:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose the television appearances section is almost entirely unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: R. N. Shetty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Espresso Addict (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian businessman. I have not read the article in detail. Surely some amount of rewrites will be required. Will get to it this evening. Posting this here in case someone wants to get started prior to me getting to it. Update: Been a long day, have not able to get to this, will have it picked tomorrow. Edits done. Rewrote most of the article to avoid reading like a corporate press release. Meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Needs much better sourcing. The entire career section is sourced to a single article of 2010, now offline, so out of date and quality unjudgeable. Despite some editing to tone it down, it still reads like a corporate press release. Also no personal life beyond childhood, a >30-year period between birth and setting up R N Shetty & Company which is largely undocumented. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Edits done per request above. Rewrote most of the content to avoid reading like a press release. Meets hygiene conditions for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 12:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - looks good to me after the updates, thanks Ktin. Marking as ready. — Amakuru (talk) 12:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- @MSGJ, Black Kite, Dumelow, Stephen, and Spencer:, pardon the intrusion, this is ready to be posted to homepage / RD. Thanks Amakuru. Ktin (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Since I'm currently the lone support on this, I'd prefer another admin to cast eyes on it, or at least one more support, before it's posted. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, and I've just noticed that I was not in the "please post" ping, but in the "thanks Amakuru" ping so I should definitely read messages fully next time! — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Since I'm currently the lone support on this, I'd prefer another admin to cast eyes on it, or at least one more support, before it's posted. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Appeal of Russia doping case penalties
Blurb: On appeal of the ruling from the World Anti-Doping Agency related to Doping in Russia, the Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces the penalties against Russia, allowing Russian athletes to participate in the Olympics and other international events but only as neutral athletes for a two year period. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces the ban against Russia to two years in the doping in Russia scandal and allows Russian athletes to compete as neutral athletes during the ban period.
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: We posted the original WADA ruling last December [6] where Russia was outright banned from the Olympics for four years. This appeal ruling drastically cuts that to still allow Russia to compete but as a "Neutral Athlete/Team" for a period of two years. Among other factors. Masem (t) 19:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The news reports that they can appeal against this decision made on an accepted appeal (AP). Are we going to post it every time the penalties are reduced upon accepted appeals until the ban is lifted?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- If the appeal results in a significantly different outcome, yes. I would consider that the change from "Can't participate at all for 4 years" to "Can participate, but limited to 'Neutral' for 2 years" is a significantly different outcome here. When I first read this AP story and comprehended what it meant, I thought it was only a reduction from 4 to 2 years but otherwise under the same terms, and thus would have considered that not significant enough to post. But as I reviewed what we had already on the target article, it made sense this is a big change. --Masem (t) 20:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support Target article is well referenced. Update is present and referenced. It's not very extensive, but it's enough I guess. --Jayron32 20:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Update is not great, quite short. Also meh in general This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Post now and post again, if and when Russia pays off enough officials to have the ban lifted completely. This shame bears beaing reposted. I am also adding a shorter alt blurb. Nsk92 (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose "Powerful and corrupt fat cats scratch each other's backs" is not news. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:46, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Corrupt people are corrupt, what's new? Gex4pls (talk) 02:59, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Saufatu Sopoanga
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (New Zealand Government)
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former PM of Tuvalu. Article seems good. Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiple missing citations, odd structuring, and some very weird grammar. Not to mention nothing on his death. Gex4pls (talk) 15:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Hennadiy Kernes
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ukrinform, BBC Ukrainian (in Ukrainian)
Credits:
- Nominated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yulia Romero (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Mayor of Kharkiv. Article is quite decent. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks good --Tensa Februari (talk) 14:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Slight Oppose Article looks almost good, just the awards section needs more sources. Gex4pls (talk) 15:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support good article, seems to have a notable history other than as mayor as well. Albertaont (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The business career section states that he's been described as a mini-oligarch. Shouldn't there be a citation for that claim? Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I've hidden some material that needs sourcing, and requested other sources. Has anyone been able to check the non-English sources, particularly for the negative material? Espresso Addict (talk) 03:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Orange tag in awards section, will support when fixed JW 1961 Talk 21:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Hanif Al Husaini and Yulia Romero: any chance that section could be referenced? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Great conjunction
Blurb: The closest visible great conjunction since the year 1226 occurs on December 21st (UTC). (Post)
Alternative blurb: The closest visible great conjunction since the year 1226 occurs on December 21st.
Alternative blurb II: The closest great conjunction since the year 1623 occurs on December 21st.
Alternative blurb III: The closest great conjunction, between Jupiter and Saturn, since the year 1623 occurs on December 21st.
News source(s): Guardian Forbes (soft paywall) NPR Rice University (very interesting if you like to geek out with orbital math
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: (nominated early to ensure sufficient time if this barely wins) "great conjunction" is the technical astronomy term and astrologic mumbo for this rarest category of planetary alignment known before the discovery of Uranus. They occur on a c. 19.86 year cycle and this one's only 0.2 Moon diameters apart for most of the world. All longitudes and most latitudes can see, only early night or dusk. This is also the start of an air trigon mutation in astrology meaning the triangle is in air signs for awhile, two trigons ago the fire one starting in 1603 made people freak out about apocalypse causing a papal bull banning divination and mentions by Shakespeare, Bacon, Dante, Tycho and Kepler. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Support in principle There's a lot of hype around the event in every astronomical community that I'm familiar with. While I'm not sure how famous the event is to the average Joe,it's nevertheless being reported in major news outlets and given the rarity of the event, I think it deserves a blurb. However, the target article has a lot of problems so oppose until that's fixed. Scaramouche33 (talk) 05:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Scaramouche33. But don't use the term win; we're not winning anything there. Several of my blurbs get rejected in the past and I don't consider it as a loss, just stale. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose tagged. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, despite being an astronomer myself. Although the event is underway, closest approach doesn't happen until 21 Dec. It's also pretty unimpressive to see and has zero scientific interest or value. Some amateur astronomy organisations are promoting it, but there's little-to-no interest among professionals. For the general public it's less impressive to look at than the Geminid meteor shower that's also happening right now. Whilst I like to see astronomy stories in ITN, I think general readers would see that blurb, think it was something dramatic like an eclipse, then be hugely disappointed to realise what's actually visible. We certainly shouldn't be promoting the pseudoscience of astrology on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 11:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's great to have an actual astronomer here, it really helps us differentiate the important stuff from the trivia Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- To be honest I don't know at what point 2 points of light are close and similar enough to be visually impressive. If this was Venus (brightness about minus 4) and Jupiter (about minus 2) several arcminutes apart it would definitely be visually impressive, this is 6 arcminutes apart and only about magnitude 0 and minus 2. I won't guess if they will be or won't be close enough to impress the general public in a good telescope. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. The claims made above are incorrect. The event will be impressive to see; both planets will be visible in the same field of view in a telescope (only the second time this has happened since the invention of the telescope). Another close conjunction won't happen again until 2080 so this is a very rare event, and it is important as it has been given significant prominence in many astronomical almanacs/year books/magazines. The event is also of some scientific value: I know of some astronomers who are are using this event to study Jupiter's magnetosphere as Saturn passes through it as seen from Earth. However, I do agree that the article should be improved (help would be appreciated), the mentions of astrology removed (as unimportant), and the blurb reworded a bit something like "The planets Jupiter and Saturn appeared at their closest together in the sky for almost 400 years on 21 December, in an event known as a great conjunction (explaining what it is rather than just mentioning it).
- To be honest I don't know at what point 2 points of light are close and similar enough to be visually impressive. If this was Venus (brightness about minus 4) and Jupiter (about minus 2) several arcminutes apart it would definitely be visually impressive, this is 6 arcminutes apart and only about magnitude 0 and minus 2. I won't guess if they will be or won't be close enough to impress the general public in a good telescope. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's great to have an actual astronomer here, it really helps us differentiate the important stuff from the trivia Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
QuantumPulsar2002 (talk) 17:32 (edited 23:03), 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Huh you're right, I hadn't thought of that. Jupiter is I believe the only planet in the solar system who's magnetic field is long enough to "touch" another planet. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support I saw this covered on The Sky at Night yesterday and it looked quite special. I looked at the planets earlier in the year when out late observing the comet, which we blurbed. The planets were a lot brighter than the comet then and this conjunction will make them even more prominent. Unlike Brexit and other human affairs, this is quite a sure thing and it is good to give people advance notice so they have a chance to see it themselves.
- Note also that we have had Nana Akufo-Addo as the picture blurb for an entire week now and it's embarassing to have such a low-impact story as our lead for so long. Like the comet, the conjunction will have plenty of good pictures for us to highlight and so we should make the most of them.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 13:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – How does this affect anyone on Earth? – Sca (talk) 13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- People on earth are learning about it because media are covering it, and they are likely to be interested in a quality Wikipedia article on the topic. --Jayron32 13:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Answer: it doesn't. It's almost embarrassing to consider it encyclopedic. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Of course it doesn't, nothing really does except a direct hit by an asteroid. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Depends on where it lands.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Lol. Unless it's an even rarer huge one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- ASTEROID STRIKES THE US, THOUSANDS CONFIRMED DEAD "Us centric" Gex4pls (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Lol. Unless it's an even rarer huge one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:08, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Depends on where it lands.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Of course it doesn't, nothing really does except a direct hit by an asteroid. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose in deference to Modest Genius and his credentials.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Modest. Not of general significance or impact. – Sca (talk) 14:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Is there a precedence of garden-variety total lunar eclipse nominations not being posted, that might help clarify minimum visual impressiveness for events that science has already learned all it could from as TLEs impress kids but are "eh I'll look but that's it" at best to astronomy PhDs and people who've had an astronomy hobby for long enough. I recommend collecting photographs of lunar eclipses with different skyscrapers or mountains or whatever to cure those repetitive doldrums. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Sagittarian Milky Way, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2018#(Posted)_Longest_lunar_eclipse_of_the_21st_century appears to be the last time we posted a lunar eclipse. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. It's an interesting and rare event. While it has no scientific value, that's also true for almost all other news stories. Count Iblis (talk) 14:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support per above. 108.41.121.223 (talk) 15:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose appears to be of astrological, rather than astronomical, importance per Modest. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not quite, it's important in astrological mumbo jumbo but it's still the 2 most visually impressive planets in a telescope being unusually close (less than or about 10 Jupiter or Saturn diameters). They're only in the same telescope field of view once every few decades much less this close. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Fair enough, although I stand by my oppose as it doesn't seem as significant as, say, an eclipse. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not quite, it's important in astrological mumbo jumbo but it's still the 2 most visually impressive planets in a telescope being unusually close (less than or about 10 Jupiter or Saturn diameters). They're only in the same telescope field of view once every few decades much less this close. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose deferring to expertise of Modest Genius This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, per Modest and others. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support pending improvements to quality and appropriate update. This is both in the news and of general interest to our readers. We should not be so pompous to reject this as not being scientifically important. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- There's hardly anything pompous about scientific importance, especially compared to other ITN/R topics such as award shows or horse-racing.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed. This is not pomposity, it's just a rejection that in general (per the nomination) this is "very interesting if you like to geek out with orbital math". Enough said. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Science may have had its last significant discoveries about conjunctions with Tycho's measurement advances, Kepler's elliptical orbits and Galileo's work 4 centuries ago but it would still be new and interesting to some readers. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed. This is not pomposity, it's just a rejection that in general (per the nomination) this is "very interesting if you like to geek out with orbital math". Enough said. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- There's hardly anything pompous about scientific importance, especially compared to other ITN/R topics such as award shows or horse-racing.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nominator and Andrew. Visible worldwide with significant media coverage. Opposers fail to convince that this is not an ITN-worthy blurb. Tagged section can be edited down or removed to the article Talk page for discussion as needed. Jusdafax (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- "... Tagged section can be edited down or removed ..."!! That's two-thirds of this shoddy article... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality. ~ Destroyer🌀🌀 17:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose due to article quality; parts are unsourced, much that is sourced depends on a reference that is someone's private webpage, half of it is astrological nonsense. Black Kite (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Am I at least halfway done with bringing article to minimum quality? There is less pseudoscience and more positional astronomy now. And anything of that pseudoscience that might generously be called history has been moved to new section called in history Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment There's a lot more astronomy bytes in the article now and a lot less astrology and more sourcing and no tags. I note that a planetary science Ph.D. (U. of Arizona) who's been full professor at Rice University since 2007 has cared enough to write these detailed articles on great conjunctions: [7] [8], making 3,000 and 20,000* year lists and writing about the cyclical mathematics and so on, one astronomy PhD not finding this interesting wouldn't mean they all don't. Those institutions aren't bad, University of Arizona's astronomy program is rated 5th to 24th in America depending on metric and their planetary science is 6th to 33rd. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Luzy Bronze
Blurb: English footballer, Lucy Bronze, is awarded The Best FIFA Women's Player as the top women's player of the year at the The Best FIFA Football Awards 2020. (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated, Sky Sports, Eurosport
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Hmlarson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ampimd (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Top global award for footballers Hmlarson (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. a) There are already seven football events per year on WP:ITNR; I don't think the sport needs even more coverage. b) I don't remember us ever posting blurbs about individual awards in other team sports. c) The article The Best FIFA Women's Player is little more than a stub, indicating how little interest there is in this award. d) It's strange not to include the men's award that was announced at the same time. e) The Ballon d'Or is a more prestigious award. Modest Genius talk 18:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback Modest Genius. Can you share which specific football events are featured per year? Hmlarson (talk) 18:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- They are listed in WP:ITNR#Football_(association). Espresso Addict (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I was surprised to find that the Ballon d'Or doesn't appear to be ITN/R, but it wasn't awarded this year, so that seems to be moot. If we post this, we definitely should have both men's and women's together. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - definitely worthy and the article quality looks good. Could more be written about the award and the circumstances? Why was she awarded, any reaction, etc.? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Seems like a nice enough article, which should matter here. Does anyone recall if we post the men? GreatCaesarsGhost 02:07, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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Kan-etsu Expressway
Blurb: Around 1,000 drivers are stranded on the Kan-etsu Expressway after heavy snowfall impacts northern Japan. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News The Japan Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Mccunicano (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: A major disruption to the country's national expressway network that is not able to be remedied in a routine manner. Military is involved. The image included is of the expressway from two years ago. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 06:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Snow close (sorry; I couldn't help it) this is not nearly significant enough, nor is the update all that substantial. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Anthony Casso
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Daily News
Credits:
- Nominated by Poydoo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Vaselineeeeeeee (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: High-profile mobster. Death from COVID. Poydoo can talk and edit 22:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The "Big money" section seems undercited. Would support if those and a few other uncited paragraphs got citations. Mlb96 (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose too much unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Poydoo and Vaselineeeeeeee: any progress with the article? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:51, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I've removed some unsourced pov, but there are still problems that The Rambling Man pointed out with the tags. I have half a mind to remove the "big money" section unless sourcing can be found. Maybe User:Lenin and McCarthy can help? Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 00:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Flavio Cotti
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former President of the Swiss Confederation. Dies from COVID-19. The article is...quite insufficient Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Seems like a stub but fully cited. Needs expansion. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 23:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Undersourced stub. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support now that I've expanded the article. Sandstein 10:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support now it's long enough for RD. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jack Steinberger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Espresso Addict (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Physics Nobel prize winner. Death announced today 12/16 in English Media, and yesterday, 12/15 in German media. Article requires some amount of work in referencing. Added [citation needed] tags in case someone wants to give it a go in the next couple of hours. Completed the referencing. If someone finds any other edits that are required, let me know. I will be up for the next three hours. Ktin (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support I think it's good to go, although one question. Isn't the term married to his wife a bit tautological? Scaramouche33 (talk) 04:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Scaramouche33, done. Fixed this one. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. The lead could do with expansion to include
his major positions held anda summary in layperson's terms of the impact of his research. I also noticed that several claims in the text are only supported by primary sources or later reviews authored by Steinberger -- all of this needs to be sourced independently. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:42, 17 December 2020 (UTC)- Espresso Addict, while the lede can be expanded, can you be specific about the latter comment? The nature of research papers is that the papers themselves are the sources. I will not claim to be an expert on this topic, but, reading the article, it didn't jump out as something that I would rush to change. Ktin (talk) 06:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not a physicist, but my understanding is that one can state "scientist researched x topic" with a primary source, but one can't state "scientist discovered x, proved y, or demonstrated z", or the like, without a secondary source. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's also a bit lacking in dates; I tried to construct a list of where he was when but there isn't precise enough info in most cases.
In particular, the retirement date from CERN is missing.Espresso Addict (talk) 07:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)- Espresso Addict, Added the retirement date from CERN. Added the other sources that you'd wanted. Anything else that I can help? Ktin (talk) 07:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, don't get me wrong, but, you've got to be more specific than this. The statement
It's also a bit lacking in dates
doesn't give me anything to work with, particularly when the article is littered with dates. Ktin (talk) 07:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's also a bit lacking in dates; I tried to construct a list of where he was when but there isn't precise enough info in most cases.
- Not a physicist, but my understanding is that one can state "scientist researched x topic" with a primary source, but one can't state "scientist discovered x, proved y, or demonstrated z", or the like, without a secondary source. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Alright folks, I am calling it a night. I think the article as it stands is good to go to homepage / RD. Above feedback is good, but, to the extent that specific feedback has been provided, those have been incorporated. With this, I believe we should be good to go. Ktin (talk) 08:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support good enough. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Awesome Again
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Press Box
Credits:
- Nominated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian Hall of Fame Racehorse, article in surprisingly better condition than a lot of human BLPs JW 1961 Talk 18:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support - You're right, that is a good article. Poydoo can talk and edit 19:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Horse article is good article. Gex4pls (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) Chang'e 5
Blurb: Chang'e 5 successfully completes its lunar sample-return mission. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Chang'e 5 sample-return mission returns samples of the Moon to Earth
News source(s): AP, Space News
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Please note this has not happened yet but the return vessel is in the final approach stages to land in Inner Mongolia real soon now (next few hours of writing this). As confirmed by the Space News link, the return capsule has been successfully recovered. Since I've been one heavily cautioning about posting this until this point, I figure I will be one to get this going since this is the point I've said we should make ITN. Masem (t) 18:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Should we be using a CGI of the lander, maybe of the return capsule instead? Landing was confirmed by Spacenews and CNet. Albertaont (talk) 19:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Replaced image with one which shows the lunar lander, lunar ascender, and return to earth modules.
- Support. I have healthy scepticism of anything reported in Chinese state media, and the BBC and Guardian both caveat the news with 'Xinhua said' or similar, but there's no particular reason to doubt that the capsule has arrived in some form. We should probably avoid explicitly saying it was a success until there's independent confirmation. This is the right point to post this story and the article seems in good enough shape. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 20:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- PS. There seems to be some back-and-forth reverting of the article regarding whether the capsule recovery has a reliable source. Maybe wait a few hours for that to settle down before posting. Modest Genius talk 20:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Good news organizations, if they can't have eyes on the actual event, nearly always use "According to (source), this happened..." and this is well beyond anything China related. I know we need to be cautious around China + state-sponsored media, but let's not go overboard here. --Masem (t) 00:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support As promised. Gex4pls (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Quality and referencing is good. Nixinova T C 00:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. In the UK, the BBC now seems to be stating in its own voice, while The Guardian is still quoting Xinhua. It would be nice to get two independent non-Chinese sources stating success directly. An alternative would be to post the main blurb, deleting the word "successfully". Espresso Addict (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- There are times where we should be cautious of the China-state sponsored media for what they report, but their space program is not one of those things they seem to "make up" compared to other factors related to governance. The fact that the Guardian and AP take Xinhua at their word should be sufficient for us here. --Masem (t) 00:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- NYT is even showing videos now, can also find the pictures everywhere. Albertaont (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I think there's adequate confirmation and update now. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Masem: Aren't you an admin? You should've been able to insert it yourself considering the consensus now. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's considered a conflict of interest for an admin to post their own nom, even with consensus.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- This. The only time (I recall) I posted my own nom was a clear SNOW support for the death of Stephen Hawking. This nom wasn't a clear SNOW due to source questioning. --Masem (t) 19:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- It's considered a conflict of interest for an admin to post their own nom, even with consensus.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted, as no-one seems to have objected. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have listed File:Change-5.png at CMP, but I think a version without captions would be better because they will be too small to read — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Image updated — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:57, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
RD: Leticia Lee
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HKFP, SCMP, The Standard (HK)
Credits:
- Nominated by Feminist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit) and Citobun (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Known for anti-gay, pro-police activism in Hong Kong and as an opponent of the city's pro-democracy movement. feminist (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Needs a bit of work. None of the information mentioned in the lead is cited or mentioned in the main article - Dumelow (talk) 13:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm working on it - feminist (talk) 13:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Can take another look now. feminist (talk) 04:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm working on it - feminist (talk) 13:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. The lead now needs expanding again. I haven't looked in detail at the sourcing, but is it possible to find a different source for Ref. 24, about her son? The title of the current one appears unduly negative about a living person. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Feminist: any response to the above? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:36, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- I treat this nomination as stale. feminist (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- No it's not! Especially now we are running with a new system, as long as it's ready within a week ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- I treat this nomination as stale. feminist (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support What's there seems narrowly over the line, though I would acknowledge there are issues. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose This is now stale. Even had it been posted, it would have cycled off by now. 104.243.98.96 (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Donald Fowler
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post and Courier
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former DNC chair, leukemia. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Lots of cn tags. Poydoo can talk and edit 19:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have reduced it to two citation needed tags. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support @Poydoo: All citation needed tags have been fixed. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Ann Reinking
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Aoba47 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
gobonobo + c 00:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Seeing uncited sentences here and there; the credits section needs a lot more sources and the awards are completely unsourced.Gotitbro (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)- @Gotitbro: Sources have been added, thanks to User:Aoba47. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me now. Gotitbro (talk) 06:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Gotitbro: Sources have been added, thanks to User:Aoba47. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support I believe everything is cited Scaramouche33 (talk) 06:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support I'm not sure how standard some of the table formatting is, but everything is cited. Looks like we can confirm Playbill archives for Broadway credits. Kingsif (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article well-referenced. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Totilas
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Horse & Hound
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I've added the death, just working on referencing elsewhere - Dumelow (talk) 07:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for RD. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Roddam Narasimha
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Espresso Addict (talk · give credit) and Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian scientist. Padma Vibhushan awardee. I have not looked at the article in detail. But, will do so in a bit. Clear reasons to look at the article in detail (read below). Anyways, a thorough rewrite has been done. Here's the link to Earvig Copyvio [9]. Ktin (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine to me. Gotitbro (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment bare URLs need fixing. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, thanks for the catch. Fixed them. In addition, some links were dead / returning 404s, replaced them as well. Ktin (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article well-referenced. Note on the last book in the "Book" section: it would be better if someone gives a translation to the title. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Jeromi Mikhael, Done. Good idea. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 03:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I was considering posting this but it looks like much of the article was orginally a cut & paste from his profile [10]. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, Eikes. Let me have a look once I get back. Ktin (talk) 04:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- In addition to needing the copied material on his career and awards rewritten and replaced, little of it seems to be cited to proper independent sources; usually all awards need a proper source, not just the academic bio. The material on his research that I removed as a copyvio was cut and pasted from the bio, and so was not an independent appraisal of its significance. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, please have a look now, have given this one a thorough rewrite. Happy to make any edits. I will be awake for the next hour. Ktin (talk) 05:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ktin: Sorry, my internet went down shortly after I commented, and now I'm headed offline for the day. Will take a look once I'm back, if it isn't posted before then. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Espresso Addict, please have a look now, have given this one a thorough rewrite. Happy to make any edits. I will be awake for the next hour. Ktin (talk) 05:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- In addition to needing the copied material on his career and awards rewritten and replaced, little of it seems to be cited to proper independent sources; usually all awards need a proper source, not just the academic bio. The material on his research that I removed as a copyvio was cut and pasted from the bio, and so was not an independent appraisal of its significance. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted - it looks OK from my angle, thanks to Ktin's rewrites. Espresso Addict if you do see any further issues then please let me know or remove it directly. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Amakuru, I love the new template with comma separated values for updater names. Thanks to the folks who enabled that one. Very nice touch. Ktin (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ktin: as far as I can gather, we can mainly thank MSGJ for this nice improvement to the templates. Plus maybe others behind the scenes. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- MSGJ, thanks Martin! Very nice touch. Ktin (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Ktin: as far as I can gather, we can mainly thank MSGJ for this nice improvement to the templates. Plus maybe others behind the scenes. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Amakuru, I love the new template with comma separated values for updater names. Thanks to the folks who enabled that one. Very nice touch. Ktin (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Herman Asaribab
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Second highest officeholder in the Indonesian Army (sort of). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Gotitbro (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- cricket noises
- Support Seems cited fine enough, though there's a bit of odd grammar in "Enembe remarked that 'Papuans should be reach the rank of general, either in the police or in the armed forces'". I'm not sure if that's translation error or just a mistake on his behalf, so I'm not willing to remove it. Gex4pls (talk) 18:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- I have fixed the grammar. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Done Fixed the quote. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 01:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note to admin please decide the fate of this RD nom; otherwise it would be stale and not recent anymore.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 05:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Benjamin Abeles
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Idnes (in Czech)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Czech physicist. Article looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Barely long enough for RD and well-referenced. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment from a duplicated nomination: Austrian physicist. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the news in English media. Article is a tad small in size, but is start-class. Article seems to pass hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. I did not have to make any edits. But, if there are any edits required, I can give it a go, albeit with Google Translate as my aide. Ktin (talk) 03:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Very stubby on his career and research. The lead is inappropriate in its focus, and material appears there that is not expounded in the body. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support, notwithstanding the above comment which is reasonable, I do think it is acceptable for RD. —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Meets minimal standards. Items in the lead are sourced in the body, though not explained in detail any further.—Bagumba (talk) 08:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Sudan's removal from U.S. SST
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Blurb: The U.S. removes Sudan from its list of state sponsors of terrorism. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the United States has removed Sudan from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
Alternative blurb II: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo removes Sudan from the list of state sponsors of terrorism after it pays $335 million to US terror victims and families.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 98.116.113.164 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ed Poor (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thepharoah17 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment Wasn't this linked to relations with Israel of Sudan? Also this is stale now, was already known/"in the news" a few weeks back; this is just procedural. Gotitbro (talk) 00:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Create altblurb 2 Its important to note how Sudan was removed from the list. Albertaont (talk) 03:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose it seems we're nominating US foreign policy announcements on a near-daily basis. This is not interesting. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 12:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable event. --cyrfaw (talk) 13:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Many countries have some kind of list like this. It just happens that one big country took a country off their list. Gex4pls (talk) 13:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Quoting GreatCaesarsGhost:
AGF and all, but this is why we get accused of thinking this is US-pedia. This is such a small story it shouldn't even get an article, let alone be on ITN.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 13:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)- Well, I think this one warrants an article, but it's abundantly clear the SST label is political BS. Witness Iraq being removed only for the length of their war with Iran. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose We need to be wary of any policy decision that is being made during the lame duck period of Trump's presidency, as all are subject to change subsequent to Biden taking office in January.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Walt. Quack! – Sca (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as the US State Sponsors of Terrorism list is not notable enough for ITN, no matter who the president is. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- This user gets it! 😊 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 16:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Total solar eclipse
Blurb: A total solar eclipse occurs in Chile and Argentina (path pictured). (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Brandmeistertalk 18:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Article is really bare bones at the moment. The lead needs expanding to actually cover the details of this eclipse (it is mostly about eclipses in general right now). And the "Visibility" section has no refs at all. — Amakuru (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality - for now. Ping me when improved/expanded.BabbaQ (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above. Needs sources and better/more prose. Gotitbro (talk) 00:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: the article is poorly referenced and has minimal prose. Given that most observing events were cancelled due to COVID, there might not be much to say about this particular eclipse, which is a shame. I'd be surprised if there aren't at least a dozen popular news stories though. Modest Genius talk 12:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality little more than a stub, and poorly referenced. Particularly the sections on Argentina and Chile- though that may be due to the pandemic. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:18, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
OpposeComment – Ephemeral event. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)- Comment As stated in the proposal, this is covered by WP:ITN/R, so please restrict opposition to article quality issues only. 73.81.117.35 (talk) 16:46, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- pokes IP editor Who are you, IP editor? Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gérard Houllier
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
- Created by Arwel Parry (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hanif Al Husaini (talk · give credit) and Messi R9 R10 CR7 Thiago LFC (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French football manager, who was in charge of Liverpool, amongst others — Amakuru (talk) 10:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support that "award section" needs a ref otherwise ok. RIP. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 12:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose "Return to the French national team" and "Awards" sections and one paragraph of the Liverpool section is unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: the sections you mention are now fully cited I believe. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 18:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Weak oppose the update is not sufficient.Any cause of death? Related to his heart problems?-- P-K3 (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)- Update is all we have. No RS that I have seen do anything more than you have done, i.e. speculate. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- There you go: "... following a heart operation." added. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- That's better, thanks.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment "Return to French..." and "Honors" sections need sources. Gotitbro (talk) 17:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support now well sourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support per above JW 1961 Talk 21:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Tradediatalk 22:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - this one looks ready, if anyone's around to post it! — Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. I haven't looked at sourcing but the tone veers out of encyclopedic in several places, there's no section on his personal life (marriage, children?), and his activities after retiring in 2011 only seem to be mentioned in the lead. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not perfect, but good enough for RD — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Huang Zongying
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Shine.cn
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Chinese actress. Article is actually a GA already. Filmography needs citing though, looking at it now - Dumelow (talk) 09:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Article hasn't been updated to reflect her death and the filmography is completely unsourced.Gotitbro (talk) 10:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)- Gotitbro, just done my first run through and think I've covered all the missing refs and updated tense etc - Dumelow (talk) 10:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Can you cite/remove the brother (Huang Zongluo) part from the lead/ib, isn't mentioned in the body as well. Gotitbro (talk) 10:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Gotitbro, done - Dumelow (talk) 10:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Can you cite/remove the brother (Huang Zongluo) part from the lead/ib, isn't mentioned in the body as well. Gotitbro (talk) 10:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Gotitbro, just done my first run through and think I've covered all the missing refs and updated tense etc - Dumelow (talk) 10:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks very good now. Gotitbro (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Indeed, looks good now.BabbaQ (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support looks good, I have marked as ready to go as well. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 18:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
December 13
December 13, 2020
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(Closed) RD: Vasubahen
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Akila News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Nizil Shah, thanks for the nomination. Unfortunately, the carousel has already moved past December 13. Ktin (talk) 15:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
(Re-posted) Blurb/RD: Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Sitting Prime Minister of Eswatini Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini dies at the age of 52. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Sitting Prime Minister of Eswatini Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini dies at the age of 52 from COVID-19.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Not sure if this would qualify for a blurb but he's a sitting head of government and the first to die of COVID-19. Unfortunately the article is pretty short at the moment. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Support RD once article is expanded beyond stub tier, and willing to support blurb on the significance of an incumbent head of government dying, especially being the first incumbent to die of COVID-19, despite the fact that Eswatini is officially a monarchy. Vanilla Wizard 💙 01:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- support The article is well sourced and has enough information. Not only being the first incumbent world leader to die in office because of Covid, but Eswatini is notable for its traditions and status in the world as an absouloute monarchy. I would be willing to support a blurb as well Cavejohnson13 (talk) 02:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- OR Alert Before weighing significance, do any sources say COVID killed him? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- He died in a South African hospital while being treated for COVID-19, so the consensus among sources is that COVID is the assumed cause of death, but it's fair to say that this is still just an assumption unless or until Eswatini officials announce it. Nearly every result for the term "eswatini" in DuckDuckGo's news tab reads something along the lines of "dies after testing positive for COVID-19", but it's also true that his cause of death still remains unspecified for the time being. If he's notable enough for a blurb regardless of the cause of death, then we can post it without mentioning the cause of death and update the blurb once we get some sort of confirmation from Eswatini. Otherwise, if the cause of death being COVID is what makes the story notable, then we can post it to RD first and then move it to a blurb if it gets announced that he died of COVID. Vanilla Wizard 💙 02:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Do any sources say he did anything except die after diagnosis? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- At the moment, no, which is why I agree with you that we shouldn't yet use a blurb that says he died of COVID. Vanilla Wizard 💙 02:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Why would you support a blurb at all? If he did nothing, what's the impact, the loss, the effect? Not seeing it a bit. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- At the moment, no, which is why I agree with you that we shouldn't yet use a blurb that says he died of COVID. Vanilla Wizard 💙 02:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Do any sources say he did anything except die after diagnosis? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Oppose Unclear what his corporation was called (two versions noted) and whether the redlinked deputy is the PM now, or nobody is. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)- Deputy shouldn't be redlinked because he has an article at Themba N. Masuku. I fixed it by creating a redirect. I assume he's acting PM now but I haven't seen any sources saying so.Johndavies837 (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Deputy shouldn't be redlinked because he has an article at Themba N. Masuku. I fixed it by creating a redirect. I assume he's acting PM now but I haven't seen any sources saying so.Johndavies837 (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Precedent His more successful predecessor was nommed in nearly identical circumstances two years ago and went stale after weak RD support, worth a link, I can't paste. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support RD, per improvement. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD I don't mind changing this to blurb if a few more sources on his life and premiership can be added, right now I would say it is a "high-quality" stub. Albertaont (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Weakly support blurb in principle, as a deceased sitting head of government. If it turns out he died from Covid, we can (but by no means must) break the "no Covid blurbs until it's over" guideline and mention it in the blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:25, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Oppose blurb per absolute monarchy. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)- Oppose Neither does the prime minister hold real power in Eswatini (the king does), nor is the article up to par for an RD let alone a blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 07:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Nor does Prime Minister of Eswatini have a standalone article; hard to be blurbworthy without general notability, one should think. Survivor Series (1989) is notable, and Zeus was the first from his match to die, of anything! Give him the presumptive COVID bump, if anyone. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD contingent on article's expansion and outright oppose for a blurb. I fail to see any significance of a prime minister, albeit sitting, in an absolute monarchy and the fact that the article is merely a stub at the time of his death tells a lot.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- oppose blurb I think we should blurb prime ministers from constitutional monarchies and parliamentary republics only ( and maybe semi-presidential republics as well),but since Eswatini is an absolute monarchy, I don't think he's blurb-worthy Scaramouche33 (talk) 07:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD only just about long enough for RD but what is there is decently referenced JW 1961 Talk 08:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose RD only article is barely above stub, hardly a good summary of someone who purports to have held such a prominent position. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Posted to RD — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Pull / Oppose on quality. Article has no detail whatsoever on his tenure as PM, and is basically a glorified stub. — Amakuru (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)- There were several unaddressed opposes with this one even before posting, and it needs improvement before it would be ready for the main page. No detail on his premiership at all. Please can someone remove it. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Pulled. Per Amakuru, this is a stub with no information about his notable role as PM. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD Information about him as Prime Minister has been added by Joofjoof. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support RD - thanks to Joofjoof for the updates, it looks much better now. I think it can be re-posted. — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Restored. Thanks everyone. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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