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*::No it's not! Especially now we are running with a new system, as long as it's ready within a week ... &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
*::No it's not! Especially now we are running with a new system, as long as it's ready within a week ... &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:50, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' What's there seems narrowly over the line, though I would acknowledge there are issues. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' What's there seems narrowly over the line, though I would acknowledge there are issues. ''<small>[[User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost|<span style="color:#938f8d">GreatCaesarsGhost</span>]]</small>'' 23:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is now stale at. Even had it been posted, it would have cycled off by now. [[Special:Contributions/104.243.98.96|104.243.98.96]] ([[User talk:104.243.98.96|talk]]) 08:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This is now stale. Even had it been posted, it would have cycled off by now. [[Special:Contributions/104.243.98.96|104.243.98.96]] ([[User talk:104.243.98.96|talk]]) 08:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


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RD: Doug Anthony

Article: Doug Anthony (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-20/former-deputy-prime-minister-doug-anthony-dies/12590524?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf241285205&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf241285205=1&fbclid=IwAR26tDWqGAQ-YRUiMmpM1BwWFR2fI_PODkZ3vOBa6n--04M4mZZ84leqbPs
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australia's longest-serving deputy prime minister HiLo48 (talk) 03:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. While the subject is MORE than notable to qualify for ITN, along with a pretty slow week in terms of news, the article in question is somewhat under-referenced and doesn’t quite meet the standards of ITN. If the article is improved, I’ll support putting it on ITN. The Image Editor (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There's some uncited material, including the birth date. Something appears missing or scrambled at the start of the section "Deputy Prime Minister (1975–1983)". Otherwise looks in reasonable shape, although I have not done a sources check. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

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2020 United States federal government data breach

Article: 2020 United States federal government data breach (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Bit late to post this as blurb now, how about ongoing? Banedon (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tentative support Having now read WP:ITNCRIT, it's clear the article meets the second criterion. (Check the article's reflist if you think press coverage has been narrow or shallow, and I'm sure you'll see it has not been; the topic is very much "in the news" and seems likely to be significant for a while, both politically and technologically.) As the article creator, though, I feel I should abstain on whether the quality of the article is sufficient, so I'll just comment that I hope other editors feel I have done a good job with it. (And if not, then I'll try to engage on the article's talk page to address specific criticisms.) Comment As the article creator, I think I should abstain from voting on this. I'll let other people decide. Thanks for pinging me, though, Thanks, Zazpot (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC); edited Zazpot (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think this would have been better suited as a blurb if it was nominated a few days ago. But I'm not sure if it will work for ongoing. I mean, how long would we keep it,till the investigations are concluded? Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not really "in the news" or "ongoing" (the breach has already happened). If the article was about an investigation into this which was receiving significant continuous media coverage that would be different. This is better suited for a blurb, but even then the exact extent is not known to gauge its aptness for that. Gotitbro (talk) 12:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not in the news, not ongoing-worthy, not remarkable in any sense, not even really interesting. So that's a no. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb The article is really good, which is the most important thing. This would be hard to find normally because of the title, so we could do some good by featuring it. I'm confused by the "not in the news" comments; I can't get away from this story. I don't think that we should go straight to ongoing just because it was expanded over a few days. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Not in my news, anywhere. Much more interesting and novel things in the news than this. Also, not a US ticker. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This may be in the news but definitely not on the front page and it doesn't portend anything with a long-lasting impact. And if the article looks good, then it could get nominated for an FP and appear on the main page as such but I'm not going to buy that argument to make concessions on this nomination.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – There was some coverage, but the 'breach' doesn't seem highly impactful in a world dominated by more threatening issues. – Sca (talk) 14:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's definitely in the news, but its a slow-motion train wreck that's being attributed to yet more antics from the Trump administration that did actions to allow it to happen, and hence getting a bit of over-coverage here in the US. --Masem (t) 14:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, either a blurb or ongoing. "Not in the news"? Please, give me a break! As of today, it is front page news at BBC[1], France24[2], DeutcheWelle[3], LeMonde[4], just for starters. Guardin reports[5] that, with Trump still being silent, Biden has indicated there will be significant retaliation once he takes office. This story definitely has legs and it will have major impact. Nsk92 (talk) 15:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait for the impact, then judge whether it's major. – Sca (talk) 15:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's America so it's guaranteed to have a "bigly impact". After all, it's only the US that gets hacked by the Russians, isn't it? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The horrible but impactful Americans raise their ugly heads once again. Help!Sca (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Terrible business. I suggest we all climb into boats and have a rowing race down the Thames, to settle this once and for all.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Or a round of snooooker. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
...he said tactfully but impactfully. – Sca (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What he means is, his impact on the nom. was modest. – Sca (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jerry Relph

Article: Jerry Relph (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not super long, but seems okay for a one-term state senator. No ref problems I can see. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Needs a source for the birth date (only year in source given) and middle initial. There is very little detail between 1974 (legal graduation) and 2016 (election), though his notability derives solely from his short political career. Otherwise seems an acceptable start-class article. ETA: I note, however, there's been some conflict over the text on his votes in office; a part of this section has now been removed but looking at the history all of it appears to be disputed. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not seeing too much dispute there outside of the insulin claim, which shouldn't be that hard to verify, but probably not worth it if it's contentious. What's left in the article now appears to be fairly cut and dry. There's no wiki article on the publication for the DOB source I just added, but the article's from a former Star Tribune/New Yorker political writer, so it looks like RS to me Nohomersryan (talk) 06:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support bare bones, but given his non-notable career until 2016, I suppose it's understandable. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good enough. Every paragraph is cited and it isn't a stub. Mlb96 (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pierre Buyoya

Article: Pierre Buyoya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former dictator of Burundi dies from COVID-19. Alsoriano97 (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Òscar Ribas Reig

Article: Òscar Ribas Reig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diari d'Andorra
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1st Prime Minister of Andorra who led the Principality during the Constituent process. Working to improve his article. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm working on it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Alsoriano97: It's somewhat improved, thanks, but still nowhere near main-page quality. There needs to be a coherent account of his notable career in detail, which is completely sourced to reliable sources. For example, just under "Beginnings" (which I'll edit to something better in a moment), when did he join the National Liberal Party; which exact party is referred to (wikilink); was he elected to the General Council or appointed in some fashion; if elected in what election, representing whom; what did he do as a council member; what happened between 1979 and 1981... And so on. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your contribution, but I have to say that I'm struggling to find information as there's few specific information in the net. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict and Gex4pls: I added more sources and info, but as I said, there's not much more. I will continue tomorrow if it's necessary. Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article is significantly better now, thanks. I'm still puzzled by what happened between 1979 and 1981 -- was the General Council dissolved, or was he just not elected in 1979? Also there's nothing on the basic personal life -- marriage(s), children -- apart from unsourced material in the infobox. There's also a requested source in the awards. I have not checked the non-English sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is significantly improved, though I've noticed one one uncited sentence and a preexisting cn tag. Get those fixed and I'll change my !vote to a Support. Gex4pls (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: José Vicente Rangel

Article: José Vicente Rangel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, El País
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan senior ranking politician, including former Vice President, presdential candidate and journalist. Prominent figure in the left wing political history of the country. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Jeffery

Article: Michael Jeffery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7062335/former-governor-general-gentleman-and-great-australian-michael-jeffery-dies/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Governor-General of Australia HiLo48 (talk) 06:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

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(Posted) RD: John Barnard Jenkins

Article: John Barnard Jenkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/cymrufyw/55362586
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former leader of Welsh nationalist group Mudiad Amddiffyn Cymru. Imprisoned for a bombing campaign in Wales and surrounding areas. 15:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: Jeremy Bulloch

Article: Jeremy Bulloch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Boba Fett. Needs some sourcing. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: R. N. Shetty

Article: R. N. Shetty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian businessman. I have not read the article in detail. Surely some amount of rewrites will be required. Will get to it this evening. Posting this here in case someone wants to get started prior to me getting to it. Update: Been a long day, have not able to get to this, will have it picked tomorrow. Edits done. Rewrote most of the article to avoid reading like a corporate press release. Meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal of Russia doping case penalties

Article: Doping in Russia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On appeal of the ruling from the World Anti-Doping Agency related to Doping in Russia, the Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces the penalties against Russia, allowing Russian athletes to participate in the Olympics and other international events but only as neutral athletes for a two year period. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Court of Arbitration for Sport reduces the ban against Russia to two years in the doping in Russia scandal and allows Russian athletes to compete as neutral athletes during the ban period.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We posted the original WADA ruling last December [6] where Russia was outright banned from the Olympics for four years. This appeal ruling drastically cuts that to still allow Russia to compete but as a "Neutral Athlete/Team" for a period of two years. Among other factors. Masem (t) 19:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Saufatu Sopoanga

Article: Saufatu Sopoanga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (New Zealand Government)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former PM of Tuvalu. Article seems good. Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hennadiy Kernes

Article: Hennadiy Kernes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ukrinform, BBC Ukrainian (in Ukrainian)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Kharkiv. Article is quite decent. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great conjunction

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Article: great conjunction (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The closest visible great conjunction since the year 1226 occurs on December 21st (UTC). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The closest visible great conjunction since the year 1226 occurs on December 21st.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The closest great conjunction since the year 1623 occurs on December 21st.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The closest great conjunction, between Jupiter and Saturn, since the year 1623 occurs on December 21st.
News source(s): Guardian Forbes (soft paywall) NPR Rice University (very interesting if you like to geek out with orbital math
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: (nominated early to ensure sufficient time if this barely wins) "great conjunction" is the technical astronomy term and astrologic mumbo for this rarest category of planetary alignment known before the discovery of Uranus. They occur on a c. 19.86 year cycle and this one's only 0.2 Moon diameters apart for most of the world. All longitudes and most latitudes can see, only early night or dusk. This is also the start of an air trigon mutation in astrology meaning the triangle is in air signs for awhile, two trigons ago the fire one starting in 1603 made people freak out about apocalypse causing a papal bull banning divination and mentions by Shakespeare, Bacon, Dante, Tycho and Kepler. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content

Complete list 1800 to 2230:

  • Jul 17 1802: 7 times further apart than 2020
  • Jun 19 1821: 12 times further apart than 2020
  • Jan 26 1841: 6 times further apart than 2020
  • Oct 21 1861: 8 times further apart than 2020
  • Apr 18 1881: Invisible
  • Nov 28 1901: 4 times further apart than 2020
  • Sep 10 1921: Lost in Sun's glare
  • Aug 08 1940: 12 times further apart than 2020
  • Oct 20 1940: 12 times further apart than 2020
  • Feb 15 1941: 13 times further apart than 2020
  • Feb 19 1960: 2.5 times further apart than 2020, predawn
  • Dec 31 1980: 10 times further apart than 2020
  • Mar 04 1981: 10 times further apart than 2020
  • Jul 24 1981: 11 times further apart than 2020
  • May 31 2000: Lost in Sun's glare
  • Dec 21 2020: Double planet
  • Oct 31 2040: 11 times further apart, near bright dawn only
  • Apr 07 2060: 11 times further apart than 2020
  • Mar 15 2080: About as close as 2020 but must look at dawn
  • Sep 18 2100: 12 times further apart than 2020
  • Jul 15 2119: 9 times further apart than 2020
  • Jan 14 2140: 2.5 times further apart than 2020
  • Dec 21 2159: 12 times further apart than 2020
  • May 28 2179: 7 times further apart than 2020
  • Apr 07 2199: 4 times further apart than 2020
  • Oct 31 2219: Invisible
Each event is c. 243° counterclockwise of the last which looks like 117° clockwise which looks like a counterclockwise spinning triangle when you connect them with lines in chronological order
  • Support in principle There's a lot of hype around the event in every astronomical community that I'm familiar with. While I'm not sure how famous the event is to the average Joe,it's nevertheless being reported in major news outlets and given the rarity of the event, I think it deserves a blurb. However, the target article has a lot of problems so oppose until that's fixed. Scaramouche33 (talk) 05:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Scaramouche33. But don't use the term win; we're not winning anything there. Several of my blurbs get rejected in the past and I don't consider it as a loss, just stale. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose tagged. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, despite being an astronomer myself. Although the event is underway, closest approach doesn't happen until 21 Dec. It's also pretty unimpressive to see and has zero scientific interest or value. Some amateur astronomy organisations are promoting it, but there's little-to-no interest among professionals. For the general public it's less impressive to look at than the Geminid meteor shower that's also happening right now. Whilst I like to see astronomy stories in ITN, I think general readers would see that blurb, think it was something dramatic like an eclipse, then be hugely disappointed to realise what's actually visible. We certainly shouldn't be promoting the pseudoscience of astrology on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 11:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It's great to have an actual astronomer here, it really helps us differentiate the important stuff from the trivia Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    To be honest I don't know at what point 2 points of light are close and similar enough to be visually impressive. If this was Venus (brightness about minus 4) and Jupiter (about minus 2) several arcminutes apart it would definitely be visually impressive, this is 6 arcminutes apart and only about magnitude 0 and minus 2. I won't guess if they will be or won't be close enough to impress the general public in a good telescope. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Support. The claims made above are incorrect. The event will be impressive to see; both planets will be visible in the same field of view in a telescope (only the second time this has happened since the invention of the telescope). Another close conjunction won't happen again until 2080 so this is a very rare event, and it is important as it has been given significant prominence in many astronomical almanacs/year books/magazines. The event is also of some scientific value: I know of some astronomers who are are using this event to study Jupiter's magnetosphere as Saturn passes through it as seen from Earth. However, I do agree that the article should be improved (help would be appreciated), the mentions of astrology removed (as unimportant), and the blurb reworded a bit something like "The planets Jupiter and Saturn appeared at their closest together in the sky for almost 400 years on 21 December, in an event known as a great conjunction (explaining what it is rather than just mentioning it).

QuantumPulsar2002 (talk) 17:32 (edited 23:03), 17 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Huh you're right, I hadn't thought of that. Jupiter is I believe the only planet in the solar system who's magnetic field is long enough to "touch" another planet. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I saw this covered on The Sky at Night yesterday and it looked quite special. I looked at the planets earlier in the year when out late observing the comet, which we blurbed. The planets were a lot brighter than the comet then and this conjunction will make them even more prominent. Unlike Brexit and other human affairs, this is quite a sure thing and it is good to give people advance notice so they have a chance to see it themselves.
Note also that we have had Nana Akufo-Addo as the picture blurb for an entire week now and it's embarassing to have such a low-impact story as our lead for so long. Like the comet, the conjunction will have plenty of good pictures for us to highlight and so we should make the most of them.
Andrew🐉(talk) 13:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Luzy Bronze

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Article: Lucy Bronze (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ English footballer, Lucy Bronze, is awarded The Best FIFA Women's Player as the top women's player of the year at the The Best FIFA Football Awards 2020. (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated, Sky Sports, Eurosport
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Top global award for footballers Hmlarson (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. a) There are already seven football events per year on WP:ITNR; I don't think the sport needs even more coverage. b) I don't remember us ever posting blurbs about individual awards in other team sports. c) The article The Best FIFA Women's Player is little more than a stub, indicating how little interest there is in this award. d) It's strange not to include the men's award that was announced at the same time. e) The Ballon d'Or is a more prestigious award. Modest Genius talk 18:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They are listed in WP:ITNR#Football_(association). Espresso Addict (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was surprised to find that the Ballon d'Or doesn't appear to be ITN/R, but it wasn't awarded this year, so that seems to be moot. If we post this, we definitely should have both men's and women's together. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kan-etsu Expressway

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Article: Kan-etsu Expressway (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Around 1,000 drivers are stranded on the Kan-etsu Expressway after heavy snowfall impacts northern Japan. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News The Japan Times
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A major disruption to the country's national expressway network that is not able to be remedied in a routine manner. Military is involved. The image included is of the expressway from two years ago.  ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 06:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Anthony Casso

Article: Anthony Casso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: High-profile mobster. Death from COVID. Poydoo can talk and edit 22:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Flavio Cotti

Article: Flavio Cotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former President of the Swiss Confederation. Dies from COVID-19. The article is...quite insufficient Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose Seems like a stub but fully cited. Needs expansion. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 23:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Steinberger

Article: Jack Steinberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Physics Nobel prize winner. Death announced today 12/16 in English Media, and yesterday, 12/15 in German media. Article requires some amount of work in referencing. Added [citation needed] tags in case someone wants to give it a go in the next couple of hours. Completed the referencing. If someone finds any other edits that are required, let me know. I will be up for the next three hours. Ktin (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not a physicist, but my understanding is that one can state "scientist researched x topic" with a primary source, but one can't state "scientist discovered x, proved y, or demonstrated z", or the like, without a secondary source. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's also a bit lacking in dates; I tried to construct a list of where he was when but there isn't precise enough info in most cases. In particular, the retirement date from CERN is missing. Espresso Addict (talk) 07:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Espresso Addict, Added the retirement date from CERN. Added the other sources that you'd wanted. Anything else that I can help? Ktin (talk) 07:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Espresso Addict, don't get me wrong, but, you've got to be more specific than this. The statement It's also a bit lacking in dates doesn't give me anything to work with, particularly when the article is littered with dates. Ktin (talk) 07:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Awesome Again

Article: Awesome Again (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Press Box
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian Hall of Fame Racehorse, article in surprisingly better condition than a lot of human BLPs JW 1961 Talk 18:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 PostedJohn M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Chang'e 5

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Article: Chang'e 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Chang'e 5 successfully completes its lunar sample-return mission. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Chang'e 5 sample-return mission returns samples of the Moon to Earth
News source(s): AP, Space News
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Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Please note this has not happened yet but the return vessel is in the final approach stages to land in Inner Mongolia real soon now (next few hours of writing this). As confirmed by the Space News link, the return capsule has been successfully recovered. Since I've been one heavily cautioning about posting this until this point, I figure I will be one to get this going since this is the point I've said we should make ITN. Masem (t) 18:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Replaced image with one which shows the lunar lander, lunar ascender, and return to earth modules.
  • Support. I have healthy scepticism of anything reported in Chinese state media, and the BBC and Guardian both caveat the news with 'Xinhua said' or similar, but there's no particular reason to doubt that the capsule has arrived in some form. We should probably avoid explicitly saying it was a success until there's independent confirmation. This is the right point to post this story and the article seems in good enough shape. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 20:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • PS. There seems to be some back-and-forth reverting of the article regarding whether the capsule recovery has a reliable source. Maybe wait a few hours for that to settle down before posting. Modest Genius talk 20:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good news organizations, if they can't have eyes on the actual event, nearly always use "According to (source), this happened..." and this is well beyond anything China related. I know we need to be cautious around China + state-sponsored media, but let's not go overboard here. --Masem (t) 00:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As promised. Gex4pls (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Quality and referencing is good.  Nixinova T  C   00:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. In the UK, the BBC now seems to be stating in its own voice, while The Guardian is still quoting Xinhua. It would be nice to get two independent non-Chinese sources stating success directly. An alternative would be to post the main blurb, deleting the word "successfully". Espresso Addict (talk) 00:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are times where we should be cautious of the China-state sponsored media for what they report, but their space program is not one of those things they seem to "make up" compared to other factors related to governance. The fact that the Guardian and AP take Xinhua at their word should be sufficient for us here. --Masem (t) 00:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • NYT is even showing videos now, can also find the pictures everywhere. Albertaont (talk) 03:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think there's adequate confirmation and update now. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: Aren't you an admin? You should've been able to insert it yourself considering the consensus now. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's considered a conflict of interest for an admin to post their own nom, even with consensus.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This. The only time (I recall) I posted my own nom was a clear SNOW support for the death of Stephen Hawking. This nom wasn't a clear SNOW due to source questioning. --Masem (t) 19:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Leticia Lee

Article: Leticia Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HKFP, SCMP, The Standard (HK)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Known for anti-gay, pro-police activism in Hong Kong and as an opponent of the city's pro-democracy movement. feminist (talk) 12:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a bit of work. None of the information mentioned in the lead is cited or mentioned in the main article - Dumelow (talk) 13:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on it - feminist (talk) 13:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can take another look now. feminist (talk) 04:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Donald Fowler

Article: Donald Fowler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post and Courier
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former DNC chair, leukemia. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Several Google services go down without warning around 11:50 UTC, including YouTube, Google Search, and the Google Play Store. The chatting app Discord and mobile video game Pokémon Go also go down. The cause was revealed to be an “authentication system outage” by the Google Cloud Twitter account. (IGN) (Newsweek)
  • Amid controversy over alleged illegal content, Pornhub removes all non-verified user-uploaded videos, which make up the majority of the videos on the platform. Pornhub says that its new measures are now "more strict than any social media platform". (BBC News)

(Posted) RD: Ann Reinking

Article: Ann Reinking (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 gobonobo + c 00:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Totilas

Article: Totilas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Horse & Hound
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I've added the death, just working on referencing elsewhere - Dumelow (talk) 07:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Roddam Narasimha

Article: Roddam Narasimha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian scientist. Padma Vibhushan awardee. I have not looked at the article in detail. But, will do so in a bit. Clear reasons to look at the article in detail (read below). Anyways, a thorough rewrite has been done. Here's the link to Earvig Copyvio [9]Ktin (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to needing the copied material on his career and awards rewritten and replaced, little of it seems to be cited to proper independent sources; usually all awards need a proper source, not just the academic bio. The material on his research that I removed as a copyvio was cut and pasted from the bio, and so was not an independent appraisal of its significance. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Espresso Addict, please have a look now, have given this one a thorough rewrite. Happy to make any edits. I will be awake for the next hour. Ktin (talk) 05:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ktin: Sorry, my internet went down shortly after I commented, and now I'm headed offline for the day. Will take a look once I'm back, if it isn't posted before then. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Herman Asaribab

Article: Herman Asaribab (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Second highest officeholder in the Indonesian Army (sort of). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 07:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Benjamin Abeles

Article: Benjamin Abeles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Idnes (in Czech)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Czech physicist. Article looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sudan's removal from U.S. SST

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Article: State Sponsors of Terrorism (U.S. list) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The U.S. removes Sudan from its list of state sponsors of terrorism. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announces that the United States has removed Sudan from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Secretary of State Mike Pompeo removes Sudan from the list of state sponsors of terrorism after it pays $335 million to US terror victims and families.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
This user gets it! 😊 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 16:34, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Total solar eclipse

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Article: Solar eclipse of December 14, 2020 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A total solar eclipse occurs in Chile and Argentina (path pictured). (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Brandmeistertalk 18:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pokes IP editor Who are you, IP editor? Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gérard Houllier

Article: Gérard Houllier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French football manager, who was in charge of Liverpool, amongst others  — Amakuru (talk) 10:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Huang Zongying

Article: Huang Zongying (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Shine.cn
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Chinese actress. Article is actually a GA already. Filmography needs citing though, looking at it now - Dumelow (talk) 09:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Vasubahen

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Article: Vasubahen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Akila News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article might need some copyediting. Nizil (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nizil Shah, thanks for the nomination. Unfortunately, the carousel has already moved past December 13. Ktin (talk) 15:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Re-posted) Blurb/RD: Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini

Article: Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Sitting Prime Minister of Eswatini Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini dies at the age of 52. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sitting Prime Minister of Eswatini Ambrose Mandvulo Dlamini dies at the age of 52 from COVID-19.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not sure if this would qualify for a blurb but he's a sitting head of government and the first to die of COVID-19. Unfortunately the article is pretty short at the moment. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD once article is expanded beyond stub tier, and willing to support blurb on the significance of an incumbent head of government dying, especially being the first incumbent to die of COVID-19, despite the fact that Eswatini is officially a monarchy.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • He died in a South African hospital while being treated for COVID-19, so the consensus among sources is that COVID is the assumed cause of death, but it's fair to say that this is still just an assumption unless or until Eswatini officials announce it. Nearly every result for the term "eswatini" in DuckDuckGo's news tab reads something along the lines of "dies after testing positive for COVID-19", but it's also true that his cause of death still remains unspecified for the time being. If he's notable enough for a blurb regardless of the cause of death, then we can post it without mentioning the cause of death and update the blurb once we get some sort of confirmation from Eswatini. Otherwise, if the cause of death being COVID is what makes the story notable, then we can post it to RD first and then move it to a blurb if it gets announced that he died of COVID.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do any sources say he did anything except die after diagnosis? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, no, which is why I agree with you that we shouldn't yet use a blurb that says he died of COVID.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 02:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why would you support a blurb at all? If he did nothing, what's the impact, the loss, the effect? Not seeing it a bit. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nor does Prime Minister of Eswatini have a standalone article; hard to be blurbworthy without general notability, one should think. Survivor Series (1989) is notable, and Zeus was the first from his match to die, of anything! Give him the presumptive COVID bump, if anyone. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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