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| blurb = [[Islamabad High Court]] disqualifies Pakistan's [[Minister of Foreign Affairs (Pakistan)|foreign minister]] '''[[Khawaja Muhammad Asif]]''' from [[Parliament of Pakistan|parliament]] for life.
| recent deaths = no
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| sources = [https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-pakistan-politics/pakistani-court-disqualifies-foreign-minister-in-new-blow-to-ruling-party-idUKKBN1HX1CC?il=0 Reuters] [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/world/asia/pakistan-foreign-minister-ousted.html NYT] [https://www.voanews.com/a/pakistan-court-ousts-foreign-minister-for-concealing-assets/4365707.html VoA]
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| nominator = 39.50.153.93
| updater = Saqib
| ITNR = no
| nom cmt = As notable as ''Kim Wall'' or ''Bill Cosby'' story. But I feel this is going to be tagged as domestic politics. Lets begin the litmus test.
| sign = [[Special:Contributions/39.50.153.93|39.50.153.93]] ([[User talk:39.50.153.93|talk]]) 05:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
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==== Bill Cosby found guilty of sexual assault ====
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April 27

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2018 inter-Korean summit

Article: 2018 inter-Korean summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2018 inter-Korean summit begins at the Peace House in Panmunjom, South Korea (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Nominating this for Piotrus on the talk page Banedon (talk) 04:46, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 26

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Khawaja Muhammad Asif

Article: Khawaja Muhammad Asif (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Islamabad High Court disqualifies Pakistan's foreign minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif from parliament for life. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters NYT VoA
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: As notable as Kim Wall or Bill Cosby story. But I feel this is going to be tagged as domestic politics. Lets begin the litmus test. 39.50.153.93 (talk) 05:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Cosby found guilty of sexual assault

Articles: Bill Cosby (talk · history · tag) and Bill Cosby sexual assault allegations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American comedian Bill Cosby is found guilty of aggravated indecent assault following a retrial of sexual assault allegations. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American comedian Bill Cosby is found guilty of sexual assult in a retrial of a case that was closed as a mistrial in 2017.
News source(s): [2][3]
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, so article (and by extension, second article) will need updating. I imagine this will happen rather quickly. Some unsourced content, but should be easy to fix. Floydian τ ¢ 18:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support This is a major social news story. Natureium (talk) 18:06, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but article quality issues... This is easily a ITN story, but we need clarity on the blurb. Cosby's article is nearly there but there's a few tagged areas and the -ography sections lack references. If we are talking the allegations articles, there's far too much proseline in that, even though it seems reasonably sourced. It's more quality less than sourcing here. --Masem (t) 18:13, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant story, but similar reservations as per above on surrounding quality. Doesn't look too hard to fix, though.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for now; both potential targets have some cleanup issues, the Cosby article has some sourcing issues (esp. in Honors and Filmography/Discography sections) and the allegations article is a bit bloated, though that one is less of an issue for me. I really wouldn't object to the allegations article being the bold highlight, but it'd be nice to tighten up both of them before they hit the main page. --Jayron32 18:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak Support Though I hesitate to support stories about individual crimes with few exceptions for things such as terrorism, we recently posted to ITN a high-profile conviction for murder demonstrating that such stories are ITN worthy as long as they show significant interest which this one clearly does. As others have mentioned, I would recommend making any changes to the article deemed necessary. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 18:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I didn't read the whole thing because I don't care, but referencing is an issue. I also worry when I see a full paragraph with a single ref. Bill Cosby sexual assault allegations is a zoo. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Don’t now if I’m going against the status quo or not but this story has been in the news off and on ever since it first broke several years ago, and it’s constantly blasted on the news whenever a major development like this happens. It’s not “just an individual crime” when it’s multiple charges of the same crime by at least 50 different alleged victims. 66.31.81.200 (talk) 19:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify, I typically don't call for posting criminal activity in general with exceptions for extreme cases such as terrorism (both international and domestic) and mass killings or shootings. However, I do recognize that this is story is demonstrably notable and highly publicized, meaning I have no real reason to oppose it, which is why I did support it (except the article really does need better sourcing to pass BLP concerns, in all cases this should be fixed before we post stories) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 19:29, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Hans-Reinhard Koch

Article: Hans-Reinhard Koch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Abschied vom ersten Weihbischof: Hans-Reinhard Koch stirbt nach schwerem Sturz
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Iselilja (talk) 22:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

  • Weak Oppose I'm not sure if all of the relatively few sources are WP:RS. Also I am not sure how "in the news" this is. I am open to correction if the sources are in fact reliable and there are more than a couple of short obituaries in local news outlets. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Murder of Kim Wall

Article: Murder of Kim Wall (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Danish entrepreneur Peter Madsen is sentenced to life imprisonment for the Murder of Kim Wall (Post)
News source(s): [4], see article for more
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: No lasting impact, but since developments in this case has made the news at various points + we're short blurbs, nominating this to see what ITN thinks. Banedon (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

  • Sure. But that's water under the bridge really, although making that claim about Hindley indicates to me that you have a very different interpretation to news and crime from me, so it's probably best to can the conversation right now. P.S. the Madsen article was created in 2011, so I'm unclear about your "were it not for the murder" comment. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Madsen article was barely there at the time of the murder. Neither of these people are remarkable in any sense. Rich guy kills journalist, chops her up - it's salacious. A sensational story doesn't become encyclopedic because the MSM picks it up. ghost 16:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That it was "barely" here is irrelevant. Featured for some time all over reliable sources, of interest to our readers, and of suitable quality. Works for me. Now I suggest you all go and do something more useful than simply argue the toss with me, after all it won't make any difference now. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support – It's a seamy story all right, but it's long been featured intermittently on mainline news sites (including NYT), and not only English-language [5] ones. The sordid circumstances, and not least the underwater aspect, inevitably generate high reader interest. Sca (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Madeeha Gauhar

Article: Madeeha Gauhar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pakistan Today
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Short article, but reasonably well referenced. Minor copy-edits may be required however. Stormy clouds (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

(Closed) Arrest made in the Golden State Killer case

Consensus against posting now. Closing per WP:TOOSOON and WP:SNOW. Stormy clouds (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Golden State Killer (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After three decades, police arrest a person they suspect to be the Golden State Killer. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Police arrested 72-year-old Joseph James DeAngelo as the suspected Golden State Killer, alleged to have committed 50 rapes and 12 murders.
News source(s): [6] [7]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Major news in a cold case with international attention. Gap between crimes and arrest is unusual and noteworthy. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, if it's too soon, I can retract my ITN nomination. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Ongoing: 2018 Gaza border protests

Article: 2018 Gaza border protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8] [9] [10]
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ongoing protest campaign continuing to receive deep coverage in reliable sources. Recent removal treated a largely weekly protest with major mobilizations on Fridays as "stale" b/c of diminished Monday-Wednesday coverage. Carwil (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

It should also be noted that there will be more developments, tomorrow. --Mhhossein talk 05:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe hold the nomination until Saturday, then? Support, but prefer a standalone blurb. I'm wary of using ongoing for too long (surely an editor committed enough could update Syrian Civil War every day with new RS). But I think the five executions (Hey, they know where every bullet landed) this week warrant mention. ghost 11:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's been out of the news for a few weeks and the article hasn't been significantly updated with new developments for a while. There have been a few edits, but it looks mostly like cleanup of the organization. Most of the things going on now are minor and restricted to local news. And, lets try not to anticipate events before they happen. OtterAM (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Recent edits, which include substantial new information, are visible here: [11].--Carwil (talk) 04:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 24

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(Posted) RD: Haddon Donald

Article: Haddon Donald (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dominion Post
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Expanded and updated the article. Well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

(Posted) RD: Sachio Kinugasa

Article: Sachio Kinugasa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyodo News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wish I could do better expanding this article, but I don't understand Japanese. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

(Posted to Ongoing) Nicaraguan protests

Article: 2018 Nicaraguan protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests break out in Nicaragua, resulting in at least 26 deaths
Alternative blurb II: ​ Protests break out in Nicaragua after a social security reform, resulting in at least 26 deaths
Alternative blurb III: ​ Protests break out in Nicaragua, demanding the resignation of president Daniel Ortega, resulting in at least 26 deaths
News source(s): Al JazeeraABC NewsReuters
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Nominator's comments: Has been ongoing for a week now and 26 deaths have been reported Jamez42 (talk) 15:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

  • Support blurb Has been in the news and events have been escalating. I think posting a blurb would be fitting, which then goes down to ongoing if events continue and the article stays updated. SpencerT•C 17:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing The article is showing updates basically daily for a week, that seems to be ongoing, especially since no one has produced a blurb which would be more detailed than "There are protests in Nicaragua". Seems like a perfect target for ongoing. Would consider a blurb if it were properly worded, but one has not yet been produced. --Jayron32 17:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing as nominated. This has started almost a week ago and the news has been virtually the same everyday since then and even today no major difference from the previous days. It may be renominated for blurb when it culminated in some serious changes or political moves–Ammarpad (talk) 17:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would suggest renominating if the protests end and/or if, for example, Ortega resigns as president. For now, the social security reforms were pulled back due to the protests. --Jamez42 (talk) 18:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul)

No consensus to post. SpencerT•C 19:57, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Great Mosque of al-Nuri (Mosul) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Arab Emirates is to give $50m (£36m) to help rebuild a landmark mosque in the Iraqi city of Mosul blown up by Islamic State militants. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Positive news from the city and country. Article has slight referencing issues and there has been a minor update on the pledge. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
opposenothing notable about political posturing. Good faith, nonetheless.Lihaas (talk) 11:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2018 Hajjah Governorate airstrike

Article: 2018 Hajjah Governorate airstrike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Hajjah Governorate, Yemen, an airstrike at a wedding kills as many as 50 civilians. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An airstrike hits a wedding in Hajjah Governorate, Yemen, killing at least 33 people.
News source(s): RT CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Mass airstrike on civilans, namely women and children. Article is still a stub; please feel free to help update the article to make it suitable enough for ITN (I will try to update the article as much as I can though). Andise1 (talk) 06:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

@LukeSurl: I expanded the article as best I could, feel free to take a look. Andise1 (talk) 05:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Andise1: Is there any source for The planes repeatedly flew over the area where the strike was being conducted, thus preventing medical personnel from being able to help the victims other than RT? It's a very accusatory statement, and RT is allied with the opposite side of this conflict to the Saudis. --LukeSurl t c 08:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, the Press TV source effectively Iranian state media, which I would not trust to be neutral on this. --LukeSurl t c 10:44, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
weak support per above.Lihaas (talk) 11:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: I expanded the article as best I could, feel free to take a look. Andise1 (talk) 05:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Civilian deaths for this conflict far outpace belligerents. Back of the envelope says about 10/day. Unfortunate and tragic, but not news. ghost 14:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Meaningful text in the article describing the actual event is basically no longer than the blurb would be; other than the blurb text there are two quotes. Nothing else meaningful is in the article, so it is too short to provide any real useful information to the reader. If someone were to greatly expand the article, I would re-read it and reconsider. --Jayron32 17:30, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Weak support It's better than it was; it would be nice to see more here, but I won't hold it up with an oppose vote. It's tolerable for the main page. --Jayron32 14:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jayron32: I expanded the article a bit (as much as I could), feel free to take a look. I will continue to update it as more information is released. Andise1 (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added three {{Unreliable source?}} tags to some strong statements that are currently sourced only to RT and Press TV. Given that these organisations are effectively state broadcasters of Saudi opponents in this conflict they cannot be the sole source in what amount to accusations of war crimes. --LukeSurl t c 10:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
LukeSurl: I tried to address some of your concerns. --Mhhossein talk 14:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Saleh Ali al-Sammad

Article: Saleh Ali al-Sammad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Houthi-recognized President Saleh Ali al-Sammad is killed in a Saudi Arabian airstrike. (Post)
News source(s): [12], [13]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Panam2014 (talk) 00:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Support RD, oppose blurb — Well referenced, but not notable enough for a blurb.  Nixinova   T   C   06:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 23

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[Closed] Penis and scrotum transplant

Consensus is that this is better suited to DYK than ITN. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Human penis (talk · history · tag) and Scrotum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Doctors at Johns Hopkins University successfully complete the first transplant of a penis and scrotum on a United States veteran. (Post)
News source(s): Time New York Times BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A world's first that is in the news...hopefully not too grotesque for ITN. Andise1 (talk) 22:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know of a more suitable article than penis (or scrotum)? Those were just the two that first came to my mind, but open to others if more suitable ones exist. Andise1 (talk) 22:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry to say that this is well outside of my field of knowledge. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
support If the first heart transplant was notable (and WP was not there then) then this is. Although might have to watch the wording. "Male secual organ"/"urinary gland", I do not know.Lihaas (talk) 03:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a stretch. Most people would probably agree that heart transplants are far more important. Lepricavark (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most people are stupid. The heart is just a pump; that's why it was the first organ to be transplanted. People only think its special because of the mythical association as the seat of emotion, which is WP:FRINGE. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
...what? Killiondude (talk) 05:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral / mixed It's interesting and certainly notable, but DYK does seem more fitting. I'm willing to switch to either support or oppose based on other editors' comments. I agree with Banedon that there should be indication of what makes transplant in particular unique compared to past transplants. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not only is this more DYK material, this is also very inappropriate in terms of decency. SamaranEmerald (talk) 04:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Show me the policy that applies. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the one you're looking for is WP:NOTCENSORED. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Show me the policy that applies. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do we not post things when the news reports about them? This is technically "in the news" now, whereas in March it was not. Andise1 (talk) 05:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The simple point is that there is absolutely no basis for any claims of obscenity. Do please read what's behind that link. HiLo48 (talk) 07:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try once more. What in this item is obscene according to Wikipedia policy? I have asked this of several people who have already suggested it. None has responded. It looks an awful lot like "I don't like it" to me. HiLo48 (talk) 08:57, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I seriously doubt that there is any encyclopedic benefit that can be gained by putting this front and center on the main page. I also don't appreciate Hilo's bludgeoning of voters. That puts me off even more. WaltCip (talk) 09:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And do you really think the Wikipedia community should appreciate a bunch of conservatives trying to control what gets published in direct contravention of policy? I am the one defending Wikipedia policy here. The conservatives are ignoring and confronting it. HiLo48 (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If the reasons aren't backed up in policy, then the posting admin that oversees this nom will take that into account. You do not need to harangue, harass, bully, bludgeon, etc. every single oppose vote that even hints the slightest discomfort with this blurb. Doing so only imperils your own position. Of course, none of this is notwithstanding the fact that this may not even be news, per Modest Genius. In which case, DYK is an ideal forum to bring this up at, not ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 11:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see the utility on going for a double-bold blurb for this. In which article is the reader going to find info on the transplant? Currently the answer is neither. Human_penis#Surgical_replacement makes no mention of this 2018 transplant and says the first successful transplant was 2005. I find no mention of transplants in the Scrotum article. Oppose unless there is a meaningful addition to article space regarding this event. --LukeSurl t c 09:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2018 Toronto van incident

Article: 2018 Toronto van incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least nine people are killed in a vehicular attack in Toronto, Ontario. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least nine people are killed when a van drives into pedestrians in an apparent vehicular attack in Toronto, Ontario.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A vehicle ramming attack in Toronto, Ontario kills at least 9 people and injures dozens of others
News source(s): CBC BBC Globe Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Deaths - yes. But ... minimum deaths? Dunno... LaserLegs (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Thanks. That ten was a nine when I asked, but simply updating is the way to go. Saying "at least" kind of implies (at least some) of the injured are expected to die, rather than might. Not the most positive (or neutral) thinking. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:32, April 24, 2018 (UTC)
  • Out of curiosity, where on earth are you getting I don't think this has happened outside of Europe before from? Indiscriminate ramming attacks are fairly routine in Israel, and there were three high-profile ramming attacks in North America last year alone (Charlottesville, Edmonton and NYC). ‑ Iridescent 2 08:50, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Significant and prominently featured in Englang media (and also, quite frankly, because it's not in the U.S.) – Sca (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perhaps it's futile, but as a Canadian citizen living in the USA I can't decide what's more pathetic and insulting here: the flippant disregard for stories about tragedies in the USA or that this (not terrorist) attack in Canada is "ITN worthy" "because it's not in the U.S.)" --LaserLegs (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) WASP-104b

Early closure. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: WASP-104b (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ WASP-104b, a Hot Jupiter exoplanet discovered in 2014, has been labeled as the “darkest planet” ever found and darker than charcoal, with about 99% of light observed. (Post)
News source(s): (New Scientist) (Inquisitr) (I4U)
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(Posted) RD: Dave Nelson

Article: Dave Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

(Posted) Resignation of Armenian PM

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Article: Serzh Sargsyan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Serzh Sargsyan resigns as Prime Minister of Armenia, following large-scale protests. (Post)
News source(s): GuardianBBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Supersedes the protests nomination below; article needs some work with cites. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Additionally, 2018 Armenian protests needs updating to reference the protests' successful outcome. FWIW I think this should be a "two bold article" blurb.--LukeSurl t c 15:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That';s CRYSTALBALL. iT IS more the ongoing-ness of this.Lihaas (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added my support below to the closure/merger with this one.Lihaas (talk) 12:12, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
BrendonTheWizard WP:ERRORS is generally better for anything currently on the main page Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:47, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I wasn't sure whether or not this constituted an error but I'll post it there. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 14:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

WP:SNOW. Consensus to post this is unlikely to develop. --Jayron32 14:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Duchess of Cambridge gives birth to a son the fifth in line to the British throne (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
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Nominator's comments: This is going to be going round the world like wildfire when the states wakes up to this news, this is going to to be in the news all round the world and has already begun. WTKitty (talk) 12:09, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See Third child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Very much a stub as of time of writing this.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to neutral, as we didn't post one for Charlotte. Yet another example of how ITN is IMHO dysfunctional because it serves as a vassal for editor prejudice and original research rather than reader convenience and the posting of things that are actually *in the news*. But hey ho, there's nothing I can do about that I guess...  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Amakuru What "prejudice" is involved here? No prejudice was involved in forming my opinion. ITN is not a news ticker and has never been based solely on what is in the news(if it were, we would post Donald Trump's tweets almost daily); we use factors like editorial judgement and article quality to evaluate what merits posting. As I stated, we did not post Charlotte because her birth is of little consequence as she is not directly in line for the throne, once George has kids she will be bumped down. The same goes for this child. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: you say it's down to editorial judgement, yet the judgement of those who !vote here seems to differ from the judgement of all the most of the major news outlets of the world, including the serious outlets not just tabloids. I get that WP:OR and WP:SYNTH don't apply to main page content selection, but we should still be presenting the world as it is, not how we think it should be, and it should still be reader-focused. Perhaps you and I have a different view of what ITN should be about, but I think one of its main purposes, especially given its prominent position on the main page, should be to navigate editors to the articles they want to see at the moment. Kate Middleton's article has seen a big spike in views in the past couple of days, because readers want to read it, and "she is not directly in line for the throne" is not a reason why we shouldn't provide a link to the article for people.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Readers want to read about Kim Kardashian's hairstyle, should that be a permanent link in the ITN box? We need to reflect what readers are interested in, but this is also an encyclopedia, and what readers are interested in also needs to be viewed through that lens. ITN is not a news ticker or tabloid. What you think is important for readers is not necessarily what I think is important for readers, or what other editors think, and so on. Hence the need for discussion and consensus. "She/he is not in line for the throne" is absolutely a reason not to post this, as if it was not a royal birth, it would not be in the news at all. It has no consequence to who the head of state of the UK/other nations is(which is why George was posted). If consensus turns and decides this merits posting, I would post it despite my personal views, but I don't expect that to happen. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - by the logic above how did the winner of a horse race get to be in the news then? It is still just a horse race and hundreds take place each day. What is being missed here is this is not What is notable but what is in the news. Articles are for what is notable. ITN is well for what is in the news that is connected to articles. This event will have more coverage than it deseerves, but it will get massive amounts of coverage. How this does not meet the ITN standards is beyond me. All I see from the opposers is I don't like this being given news coverage so lets not include it. That is not hwo ITN works AFAIK. WTKitty (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also since when did the need to sit ones arse on the British throne become criteria for what is and is not in the news? I assume from the comments here the Wedding of Prince Harry is an automatic no because his arse isn't going to be sat on the throne of England because he is behind this boy. These decisions must be consistent or they are simply arbitrary. WTKitty (talk) 13:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular horse race, the horse you want us to promote on the main page came in third. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above is nothing to do with this nomination it is distraction, there is zero criteria ere regarding ITN it is all just simple opinion and Like/dislike of nominations. WTKitty (talk) 13:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We judge significance of news, not just number of articles written about a subject. Otherwise ITN would be all Kardashian all the time. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm a monarchist and this doesn't belong on the main page. While I am very happy for the couple, the birth of princes that have no realistic chance of succeeding to the throne is just not that important. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Add We don't really have a lot of precedent for this sort of thing as monarchies have gone out of style in much of the world and the British Royal Family is typically the only one that gets a lot of global press. But FWIW my feeling is that the birth or death of heirs apparent, that is to say those who in the normal course of events are expected to succeed to a throne, probably should get a blurb. Others who are not expected to succeed usually will not merit any notice here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Bob Dorough

Article: Bob Dorough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN, The Wrap
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Accomplished jazz musician. Prolific composer and singer of many Schoolhouse Rock! episodes. CoatCheck (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

April 22

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  • UK Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt writes to social media firms including Google and Facebook giving them until the end of the month to come up with ways to counter online bullying, underage usage, and unhealthy amounts of interaction online. He says they will face new legislation if they do not comply. (BBC News)
  • Tanzania's Communications Regulatory Authority issues a two week deadline for bloggers, Internet TV shows, and other online content creators and distributors to register with the government. (Xinhua)

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RD: Hoyt Patrick Taylor Jr.

Article: Hoyt Patrick Taylor Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Iselilja (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

(Posted) 2018 London Marathon

Article: 2018 London Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 2018 London Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge wins the men's race and Vivian Cheruiyot wins the women's race. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Slim but sufficient article on an ITN/R item. LukeSurl t c 16:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Kyrgyzstan PM

Article: Muhammetkaliy Abulgaziyev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Muhammetkaliy Abulgaziyev is appointed as the new prime minister of Kyrgyzstan. (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Not ITNR but considering the stability situation in the region, this change of govt seems pretty big.
Granted the article is woeful, but if its supportive pending improvements here then that'd be an incentive to improve the article. (MKR down under may be getting more headlines but this is more globally important). Lihaas (talk) 05:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

OH well. Still, a country with population of 6 million and gdp the size of Guam's is not worthy an ITN mention, imho. Randomnickname567 (talk) 09:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Size and population are irrelevant. Per longstanding consensus, we post most if not all changes in head-of-state. Also, please leave your jingoistic sentiments at the door; your comments about the country being "unimportant" and "not worthy" are frankly insulting.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree w/ WaltClip about the jingoistic nonsense. Just want to add it was not head of state, hence I did not tag it as ITNR.Lihaas (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 2018 Kabul suicide bombing

Article: April 2018 Kabul suicide bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 57 people are killed in a bombing in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Post)
News source(s): CNN reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Barely a stub now, but with nearly 60 people killed its guaranteed to be posted once it has a few more lines of prose. LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

support IFF the article is up to scratch. this is a high death toll even for Afghan standards.Lihaas (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality / support when improved - Feel free to contact me when the article is improved and I will support this, but all ITN listings should meet the quality thresholds necessary. We posted last month's Kabul bombing because it demonstrated clear significance. I believe 331dot's argument that we shouldn't post this because they seem to happen frequently is a blatantly obvious WP:CRYSTAL argument. Unlike annually scheduled events, you can't just declare that a mass killing in Kabul will happen every month, or that it's just Afghanistan being Afghanistan. I'd even say that asking "Are we going to post one of these a month?" is subtly jingoistic of you, even though I wouldn't go as far as to say you made the argument in bad faith. The significance of this event is beyond question based on our precedents; it's the quality of the article that should be addressed instead. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is not WP:CRYSTAL to state that Afghanistan has a history of terrorist attacks and that it seems unlikely to change in the near future.(if any expert or politician foresees a quick end to the terrorism there, I'd love to read that piece.) The War in Afghanistan template in the nominated article shows 4 attacks(not including this one) this year, 14 last year, 19 in 2016, and 11 in 2015. That's just about one a month, and that is just the ones that merit articles. I am just asking if we are going to have a permanent Afghanistan War link in the ITN box, maybe in Ongoing. No more, no less. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, asserting that it's going to happen again, regardless of whether or not you have reasons x y and z to assert that it's likely, is literally a WP:CRYSTAL argument. ITN occurs on a case-by-case instance and this case meets every notability threshold that we have. You're literally opposing because you assert it's probably going to happen again in the near future, that's more or less Wikipedia's textbook definition of a WP:CRYSTAL argument. Don't pretend that it's not. We both oppose this nomination, but the valid reason is that the article needs a lot of work. TheRamblingMan makes an excellent point. Every time there is a mass shooting in the US that kills 4-5 people, the nominations get slapped down because many Americans concerned with Americentrism unintentionally and ironically make the Americentric argument that it's local news, not global news -- then when a mass tragedy in a country facing crisis occurs, we see godawful arguments that assert that it's just the Middle East and/or -stan countries having terrorists as usual, therefore it's unimportant and not notable because it's just Afghanistan being a broken county or something. In both instances, these are highly problematic arguments yet despite contradicting each other we tend to see the two endlessly in ITN. In summary, I hope to see the article improved and would support allowing more time to pass for necessary changes to be made before closing as a SNOW oppose as many of us only take issue with the article's current state, not the subject it covers. Cheers. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC) Additional comment: I would like to add that I do see where you are coming from; questions along the lines of at what point do terrorist attacks become normalized and insignificant? are certainly worth considering, but I'm unconvinced that this event in particular is unimportant and I still maintain my problems with the argument that this event is not ITN worthy because there might be another one next month. I felt that I may have been too harsh and I wanted to clarify this. Cheers. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose but with dramatic regret this is hilarious. Every time a US shooter gets nominated for glory here, we get the usual "well, if you don't like it, nominate some of the mass killings in the war-torn areas of the world". Then, once a "mass killing in a worn-torn area of the world" is nominated, it's all about "nah, it's just life there". Pathetic and insulting. In other news, article is a stub so unsuitable. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Take a look in a mirror TRM, "Pathetic and insulting" applies the other way too. Cheers bro. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh really? What's pathetic and insulting here is precisely what I've written. There is no application "in the mirror". People who complain about repeated US gun crime noms are told to nominate other such tragic events (which are 20 times+ more tragic) and when someone does, it's all about the "war zone, forget it, not notable" bullshit. Cheers bro. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support LaserLegs...there is a two way street. acting like SOnya and Hadil on MKR does not change things.Lihaas (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

April 21

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(Closed) RD: Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh

Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Fadi Mohammad al-Batsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Palestinian lecturer. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:44, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Nabi Tajima

Article: Nabi Tajima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ryan Reeder (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

Nominator's comments: World's oldest person, longest-lived person thus far in the 21st century, and third-oldest of all time

Possibly. We gave a blurb to the last person born in the 1800s, Emma Morano.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DOB says August 4, 1900 ... which would be the start of the 20th century. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, the 20th century began on January 1st, 1901. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:09, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah? Ok, I stand corrected. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Verne Troyer

Article: Verne Troyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 JuneGloom07 Talk 20:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

[Closed] India death penalty for child rapists

Strong consensus against posting, not related to quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Unnao rape case (talk · history · tag) and Kathua rape case (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's Cabinet has approved the introduction of the death penalty for child rapists, amid uproar over Kathua rape case and Unnao rape case. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Making news because of the two cases. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
oppose considering the executive asks the final KANGAROO court to review its decision...this is nothing more than vote grabbing.Lihaas (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Brandmeister MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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April 20

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(Posted) RD: Shane Yarran

Article: Shane Yarran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Samuel Wiki (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

  • This still a BLP, and I’m uncomfortable that an article with so much negative information would be put on the Main Page when he has just taken his own life. Ultimately the admins will decide if my concerns have validity. --Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD : Rajinder Sachar

Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 13:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rajinder Sachar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, The Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Skr15081997 (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man, article has been updated and sources added wherever required. --Skr15081997 (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) North Korea nuclear site

This nom, like most of Kim Jong-un's bloviating, is stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site (talk · history · tag) and North Korea and weapons of mass destruction (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ North Korea says it is closing its nuclear test site. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ North Korea says it will suspend its nuclear weapon testing program and shut down the Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site in advance of summits with South Korea and the United States.
News source(s): [15], [16]
Credits:
 50.30.144.20 (talk) 22:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose quite the surprise, however the target article is a stub class with no mention of the shut down. In addition, the article provided is very vague in terms of content, as it does not mention why North Korea shut down the facility; most of the content in the source is also just a repeat of past events. SamaranEmerald (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is a bit more to this story than just shutting down the test site; I've added a different target and blurb, though the target is not yet updated with this news. --Masem (t) 00:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Oppose if it wasn’t for the fact that the summit between Kim and Moon are next week, I would undoubtedly support this nomination. However the summit itself will be the dominating news next week, which will largely make this nomination, should it be posted, obsolete. Kirliator (talk) 00:31, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – This whole situation remains in flux. Suggest we wait to see whether the proclaimed sea change in DPRK policies actually comes to pass – in some tangible way. Sca (talk) 14:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the reality strikes. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Avicii

Article: Avicii (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Swedish musician and DJ Avicii dies at the age of 28. (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lacking references as of this nomination. --TompaDompa (talk) 17:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

  • Weak support blurb Given his influence on pop music in general (indeed, he appeared on many lists of influential young musicians), I feel he is on the borderline of blurb/RD listing. Sceptre (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • support blurb - He is a major figure within music. His death is reported world wide.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for RD. Article is in fairly good shape source-wise, although the writing leaves a lot to be desired - it's basically all WP:PROSELINE. There are a couple of CN tags to fix and the discography needs referencing, which shouldn't take too long. Don't think he's blurb worthy.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb No, obviously no blurb. Being among a influental young musician is very very far from being top of one's field. Needs a few references here and there but overall looks pretty near ready Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - According to WP:ITNRD, "In rare cases, the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb". While Avicii has been quite famous in the past few years, he was hardly "transformative" or "leader" in his field. Is there any award or other recognition that named him as the top in world music? HaEr48 (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, wait on blurb. If the death itself becomes newsworthy for the manner of death, then we can revisit the blurb. So far, all we know is that he died. If we can't say more than that, RD is sufficient. --Jayron32 18:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, no opinion on blurb as per above. Nice4What (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Unexpected, tragic, article looks good enough, but not that big for a blurb. talk to !dave 18:12, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - As with others, I think we should wait on blurb until the circumstances behind the death become apparent. Jayden (talk) 18:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD (once a few unsourced paras are dealt with) but Oppose blurb - Barbara Bush was certainly more influential than him, and is only in RD. -Zanhe (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD as an unexpected passing of a big name in his field, but Oppose blurb on general notability. Radagast (talk) 18:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Support blurb on principle, wikipedia's editor base is normally not into modern EDM music, but it's one of the biggest music genres in todays market and he is one of it's biggest names, the unexpected young death of a supremely popular (his biggest single has 1.4 billion views on youtube) musician should be exactly what the blurb feature is made for. There's no precedent for such a big EDM musician to have died so obviously there's noone to compare it too, Frankie Knuckles never had mainstream popularity. This is the first death of a worldwide EDM figure. The Barbara Bush comparison is odd, she is not even close to being one of the most notable first ladies, unlike Avicii in EDM. Certainly meets the Paul Walker and Carrie Fisher standard, the difference here is that Star Wars and action movies appeal to an older white male base that edits Wikipedia. GuzzyG (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Definitely not making the same kind of impact of Paul Walker or Carrie Fisher's deaths, nor anywhere close to Mandela/Thatcher/Prince/Bowie. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
this was first reported two hours ago, how can you be so sure? GuzzyG (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure Fisher and Walker news was louder two hours after their deaths were reported. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously a cardiac arrest on a public flight and a car crash are more tabloid worthy then an undisclosed cause of death in Oman but we're an encyclopedia and what is more important, first death of a international (1.4 billion views on ONE song) EDM performer, or two character actors, i don't even listen to this kind of rubbish but a point has to be made if 1.4 billion people (more would be unaccounted) have listened to your song and you have died young and unexpected like this and not to mention the FIRST major performer in your field then by principle you should be blurb worthy. When historians track specific 21st century entertainment who will show up more, Avicii or Paul Walker? GuzzyG (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Final comment, i'm in shock, honestly - this Thatcher/Mandela saying has to go if we posted people like Walker and Fisher. IF you're expecting Thatcher/Mandela types then that's like 10 people a century. I think it's a straight up disgrace that a 10 day old aircrash is still on our main page but a leader in their genre dying at an unexpected young age and the number one story on the front page of BBC cannot be posted. 11 billion streams on spotify and you're not of "sufficient worldwide notability". A joke. I dislike this kind of music and am generally a luddite but i call it for what it is. GuzzyG (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: Just my opinion as it's not going to happen. This Thatcher/Mandela yardstick would be honourable but it hasn't been fully uniform. I would honestly not put Debbie Reynolds, Carrie Fisher and Paul Walker in that category of people who changed the course of human history. However there have been people from the world of popular culture whose premature deaths have been news stories in an of themselves. I'm not talking cult figures like Lil Peep, but when someone measurably famous like Avicii or Chester Bennington dies prematurely that falls in the same bracket as Fisher and Walker: well-known, contributed to multi-million dollar works, death is big news but not world changer. Just my two cents. Harambe Walks (talk) 00:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who are Reynolds, Fisher or Walker? I would have oppose their blurbs as well. Also, if we post blurb for Avicii then in the future someone might cite it as precedent to allow even more "famous people" blurbs. IMO, we should stick with the bar set formally by WP:ITNRD, "the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb", and not by previous example which might have been a mistake. HaEr48 (talk) 00:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting

If anything notable happened at this meeting, it's now too late to post about it.--WaltCip (talk) 11:06, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting is held in the United Kingdom. (Post)
News source(s): BBC BBC topic
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Tidy article about a meeting of about 50 governments, almost all represented by their heads of government. Prince Charles' appointment as the next head is the main BBC headline, but I prefer simply linking to the article. I believe it's just closing as I type, a few past/preent/future tense issues can be ironed out over the next few hours. LukeSurl t c 16:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Really not a reason just an opinion.WTKitty (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, just truth. It matters not a jot who is the head of the Commonwealth, especially when they are the next in line to the throne. If it had been decided that Robert Mugabe or Beyonce was to be the next head, then that's significant. Noting that the natural succession will occur is not significant. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Walter Moody

Article: Walter Moody (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC) [reply]

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