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John Hopfield (left) and Geoffrey Hinton John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton (both pictured) receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks. A gang attack on the Haitian town of Pont-Sondé leaves seventy people dead and fifty others injured. More than twenty people die in flooding and landslides in Bosnia and Herzegovina. A school bus crash and fire in Pathum Thani, Thailand, kills twenty-two school children and three teachers. Amid escalating tensions in the Middle East, Israel invades Lebanon, and Iran launches missiles against Israel. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Christopher Ciccone Humberto Ortega Gavin Creel Rohan de Saram Stoika Milanova Dikembe Mutombo view — page history — related changes — edit

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December 7

Portal:Current events/2020 December 7

December 7, 2020 (2020-12-07) (Monday) Business and economy China–United States trade war, Censorship of TikTok Carl J. Nichols, a federal judge for the District Court for the District of Columbia, blocks the Commerce Department from imposing restrictions on China-based app TikTok. (Reuters) Swedish furniture giant IKEA says it will stop printing its famed annual catalogue, ending a seven-decade tradition as customers move to digital alternatives. (Retail Gazette) Israel–United Arab Emirates relations Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family, purchases a 50% stake in Israeli Premier League club Beitar Jerusalem F.C., following the establishment of relations between the two countries this year. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Ontario Ontario reports 1,925 cases, a new single-day record. (Global News) Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says that the country will receive 240,000 doses of Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine candidate by the end of the year. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser announces restrictions on high-contact sports amid a rise of cases in the area. However, the restrictions will not apply to professional or university sports. (NPR) COVID-19 pandemic in Michigan After the state surpasses 400,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19, Governor Gretchen Whitmer extends the statewide partial shutdown on businesses, indoor dining in restaurants, and in-person instruction at high schools and colleges through December 20. (The Detroit News) (WDIV) COVID-19 pandemic in Wyoming Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon issues a statewide mask mandate for indoor public spaces, tighter restrictions on gathering sizes, and a reduction in hours for certain businesses. The mask mandate will go into effect on December 9 and will last until January 8. (Wyoming Tribune Eagle) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen announces a tightening of a partial lockdown in 38 municipalities across Denmark, including Copenhagen, from December 9 to January 3. (The Local Denmark) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Interior Minister Luciana Lamorgese tests positive for COVID-19. (La Repubblica) COVID-19 pandemic in Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announces that the country will maintain its COVID-19 restrictions until January 11. (News.trust.org) COVID-19 pandemic in Lithuania The Lithuanian government announces that it will tighten and extend the nationwide lockdown until the end of the year. People are advised to leave their homes only for essential reasons, and the education of senior students will be conducted remotely. (DELFI EN) COVID-19 pandemic in Turkey Turkey reports a record 203 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 15,103. (Daily Sabah) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia Former vice-governor of Jakarta and former vice-presidential candidate Sandiaga Uno tests positive for COVID-19. (detikNews) COVID-19 pandemic in India, COVID-19 vaccine The Indian government announces that the country will speed up their reviews of vaccines developed by Pfizer and AstraZeneca. (Hindustan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Victoria eases restrictions, allowing larger private and public gatherings, relaxing patron quotas for businesses (including allowing nightclubs to reopen for the first time since the pandemic began), and relaxing mask-wearing rules. The state has not reported a COVID-19 case in 37 days. (The Guardian) Eluru outbreak The number of people infected by a mysterious illness in the city of Eluru, Andhra Pradesh, India, increases to more than 400. The majority of those infected are children and young people. (CNN) International relations Holy See Press Director Matteo Bruni announces that Pope Francis will make his first international apostolic visit in 15 months after accepting the invitation of the Republic of Iraq and the local Catholic Church to visit the Middle Eastern country of Iraq from 5–8 March 2021. (Vatican News) Law and crime Islamic Defenders Front, Islam in Indonesia Six suspected supporters of controversial Indonesian Islamic cleric Muhammad Rizieq Shihab are killed in a clash with police on a highway near Jakarta. The incident occurred when a police car was attacked while following a car believed to be carrying supporters of the cleric, resulting in a shootout. The police have been investigating the cleric for violations of health protocols during the COVID-19 pandemic after large gatherings occurred to celebrate his return to the country from self-exile in Saudi Arabia. (Reuters) The National Football League announces an investigation into the Washington Football Team for allegations of workplace sexual harassment. (The Washington Post) Hong Kong Autonomy Act The US Department of the Treasury imposes sanctions on all 14 Vice Chairpersons of the National People's Congress of China, for "undermining Hong Kong's autonomy and restricting the freedom of expression or assembly." (US Department of the Treasury) Politics and elections 2020 Ghanaian general election Voters in Ghana head to the polls to elect their president as well as the members of parliament. Current president Nana Akufo-Addo of the New Patriotic Party is expected to have a tight race with his most promising challenger, John Mahama of the National Democratic Congress. (Reuters) 2020 Egyptian parliamentary election The final phase of Egypt's latest parliamentary election begins. The voting process will continue until the end of the next day. (Arab News) 2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election President Nicolás Maduro's United Socialist Party of Venezuela has reportedly won almost 68% in Venezuela's latest parliamentary election. The vote was overshadowed by a boycott of the political opposition led by Juan Guaidó and a low voter turnout of only 31%. (DW) The United States refuses to recognize the results, describing the election as a "charade". The European Union also rejects the legitimacy of the election. (Reuters) (VOA) 2020 Romanian legislative election Incumbent Prime Minister Ludovic Orban resigns after the poor results of his candidacy in the legislative election. He is succeeded ad interim by Minister of National Defence Nicolae Ciucă. (BBC News) Sports Belarus at the Olympics The International Olympic Committee announces that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and his son Viktor will be banned from all Olympic Games, including the upcoming Tokyo Games. (ABC News) The International Olympic Committee, after an unanimous vote, decides to make competitive breakdancing a sport, and would appear in the 2024 Olympics in Paris. (Deadline.com)

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RD: Dick Allen

Article: Dick Allen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: MLB player, was an All-Star for multiple teams. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 22:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Seeing a lot of uncited info in the career. Gotitbro (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: Natalie Desselle-Reid

Article: Natalie Desselle-Reid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Beast
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actress probably best known for her work on UPN.

• Oppose unreferenced stub. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per The Rambling Man. I tried to help by adding citations to the "Filmography" section, but I may have done more harm than good. Either way, it is a stub and would need to be expanded. Aoba47 (talk) 22:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Too short and still missing references. Gotitbro (talk) 23:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election

Article: 2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Venezuela, the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela wins an absolute majority in the parliamentary elections. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Venezuela, the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela wins an absolute majority in the parliamentary elections despite boycotts from opposition parties.
News source(s): AP The Washington Post France 24
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Cyfraw (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Latest election event in the country, as well as in South America. Waiting for the final update of the election. Election had a 31% turnout rate with the ruling party winning 67% of the election. cyrfaw (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Surprise! – Sca (talk) 14:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Why are we using <small> here? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 16:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

'Cuz it's an aside. – Sca (talk) 23:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support As with any other election in a major country, article appears well sourced. Albertaont (talk) 17:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support for main blurb, as it is customary for this type of election. I'd suggest more information from the introduction is reflected, such as the rejection of the results by other countries, but this is probably one of the most neutral and non-controversial blurbs, so it should do. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Not really big on venezuelan politics, but this seems important enough and controversial. Gex4pls (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Support on quality but shouldn't we like include in the blurb a mention that the election was illegitimate? I genuinely don't know post elections from for example North Korea, but we don't post them as is, right? CoronaOneLove (talk) 21:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

We don't post judgements about the legitimacy of the election. The current President of the United States and his supporters say the 2020 election he lost is illegitimate. We post rigged Russian elections. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

But that it was boycotted is not a judg(e)ment, it's a fact, from the RS stories I've read. So it should somehow be included in the blurb, IMO. – Sca (talk) 23:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose results section is tagged as unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Rambling, need sources there. Also, seeing two blurbs here not really sure which one is better. Gotitbro (talk) 23:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

December 6

Portal:Current events/2020 December 6

December 6, 2020 (2020-12-06) (Sunday) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Washington, D.C. Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor and personal lawyer to President Donald Trump, tests positive for COVID-19 and is admitted to a hospital in Washington, D.C. (CNN) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Ontario Ontario reports 1,924 cases, a new single-day record. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Bavaria formally declares a “disaster situation” in the state and announces to tighten its lockdown restrictions starting from December 9, banning people from leaving their homes with some exception and a nightly curfew from 9:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. local time in communities that have more than 200 infections per 100,000 inhabitants within seven days. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a new single-day record of 29,039 cases, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 2.46 million. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy surpasses 60,000 deaths from COVID-19. (The Irish Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden Sweden imposes new restrictions on large gatherings and issues alcohol sale curfews and school closures amid a rise of cases. (Wall Street Journal) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea The number of new confirmed cases in South Korea reaches a nine-month high of 631 cases in the last 24 hours, the majority being from the Seoul Capital Area. The country now has 37,546 total confirmed cases, according to data from the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency. (Yonhap News Agency) The government decides to raise social distancing level to level 2.5 in the Seoul Capital Area for the next three weeks. (The Korea Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia, COVID-19 vaccine Indonesia receives its first shipment of 1.2 million doses of the CoronaVac vaccine. (CNA) Havana syndrome An expert committee of the U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine releases a report, concluding that "directed" microwave radiation was the likely cause of illnesses among American diplomats in Cuba and China. (BBC News) Eluru outbreak At least one person has died and 227 have been hospitalised by an unidentified illness in Eluru, India. The patients had a wide range of symptoms from nausea to fits and falling unconscious, and all had tested negative for SARS-CoV-2. (BBC News) Law and crime Corruption in Indonesia, Corruption Eradication Commission Indonesian social affairs minister Juliari Batubara turns himself in to the national anti-corruption agency for COVID-19 pandemic aid graft. (ABC News) Politics and elections Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on politics, COVID-19 pandemic in Arizona The Arizona State Legislature announces that the House and Senate will close for a week starting tomorrow due to COVID-19 concerns. The move comes shortly after Rudy Giuliani, who met with several Republican lawmakers to discuss supposed election fraud in the 2020 presidential election, tested positive for COVID-19. (KSAZ-TV) (The Washington Post) 2020 Romanian legislative election Voters in Romania head out to elect the members of their country's Chamber of Deputies and Senate. Widespread lack of interest in politics and the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic have raised fears of a low voter turnout. (France 24) 2020 Venezuelan parliamentary election Parliamentary elections are underway in Venezuela amidst multiple ongoing crises. The election is boycotted by the political opposition to President Nicolás Maduro and has been called unfair by international observers. (DW) Anglophone Crisis Cameroon holds its first regional elections amidst criticism of President Paul Biya and a growing separatist insurgency in the English-speaking areas of the country. The election will elect representatives to local councils and is supported by the government, whereas separatists have vowed to disrupt the election, arresting anyone participating in it. Gunfire is also reported in some areas. (Reuters) Supporters of President-elect Maia Sandu gather in Moldova to call for the resignation of the Russia-backed government and a new parliamentary election. (San Francisco Chronicle) Science and technology Uncrewed spaceflights to the International Space Station A SpaceX Falcon 9 launches a cargo ship into orbit to re-supply the International Space Station. (CBS News) Sports 2020 NFL season In American football, the Cleveland Browns defeat the Tennessee Titans 41-35 to secure their first winning season since 2007. (USA Today) 2020 Formula One World Championship Racing Point's Sergio Pérez wins the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix at the Bahrain International Circuit, claiming his first Formula One win, and becoming the first Mexican Formula One driver to win a race since Pedro Rodríguez won the 1970 Belgian Grand Prix. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Soedardjat Nataatmadja

Article: Soedardjat Nataatmadja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Held various offices in Indonesia's regional government. The highest person in office in Bogor, 2nd highest person in Papua, 3rd in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and served as an MP. He died the same day after I finished his article. RIP. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 15:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article is in good shape, all paragraphs cited. Yoninah (talk) 17:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul Sarbanes

Article: Paul Sarbanes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Very good nom, the table might need some width fixes though. Gotitbro (talk) 10:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good. Here's the NYT obit with more info which might be an useful source as well. Regards SoWhy 13:13, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support – Seems well-written. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced and ready to go. Gex4pls (talk) 15:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: Peter Alliss

Article: Peter Alliss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Decent golfer but legendary broadcaster. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose There's a large amount of uncited content in the prose and the tables also need citations. P-K3 (talk) 02:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose All stats are unsourced along with some uncited sentences here and there. Gotitbro (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Yet another rd nom in need of some better sourcing (I'm too lazy and too terrible at this to do it myself, so kudos to whoever can clean it up) Gex4pls (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

  Definitely, I'm no golf aficionado so it was just because it popped up on my news feed and I have know Alliss commentating on golf for almost my entire adult life. Shame golf editors (especially UK ones) can't help out. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) Juliari Batubara

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Juliari Batubara (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Minister of Social Affairs Juliari Batubara faces death sentence on charges of COVID-19 funds embezzlement. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Minister of Social Affairs Juliari Batubara under arrest on charges of COVID-19 funds embezzlement.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Joko Widodo's minister Juliari Batubara under arrest on charges of COVID-19 funds embezzlement.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Joko Widodo's minister Juliari Batubara faces death sentence on charges of COVID-19 funds embezzlement.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, SCMP, CNA, IndiaToday, Straits Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
• Created by Simeon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SiberianCat (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: If this is a SNOW close please ping me as I'm not too active on Wikipedia for the oncoming week. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:15, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Country (Indonesia) not ID'd in blurbs. Juliari "could face life imprisonment or the death penalty if convicted." Posting might be appropriate if convicted & sentenced. – Sca (talk) 14:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on principle - he has only been arrested, no trial has yet been held. It would be different if we were talking the sitting PM of India or the like. --Masem (t) 14:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• @Masem: I think you meant Indonesia in your comment above. Gotitbro (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Gotitbro: We don't have one. The last time we had a prime minister was about 54 years ago. Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 23:46, 6 December 2020

  @Jeromi Mikhael: I see, but my comment was in the context that Masem probably confused the Indonesian nom for Indian. And please sign your comment above. Gotitbro (talk) 08:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

  @Gotitbro: Thanks for reminding me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 10:09, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

  NO, I think Masem was implying that if this "event" had been the PM of India it would have been more notable. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

  Well I guess an Indonesian example (like its president) would've been more apt then. Gotitbro (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 World Rally Championship

Article: 2020 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win the World Rally Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Frenchmen Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win the World Rally Championship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In motorsport, Frenchmen Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win the World Rally Championship.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In motorsport, Frenchmen Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win the World Rally Championship, while Hyundai win the manufacturers' title.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In motorsport, Frenchmen Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win their World Rally Championship, while Hyundai claim the manufacturers' title for the second straight year.
News source(s): WRC.com Autosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: will update asap. Unnamelessness (talk) 13:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support alt-blurb 3 Largely okay, needs more sources in the results section though. Gotitbro (talk) 13:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Added sources from the FIA. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support slow week This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:47, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment two things, we don't need "in rallying" because the sport is in the title of the award, and second we don't put year in the title of the award, so something like ""Sébastien Ogier (pictured) and Julien Ingrassia win the World Rally Championship while Hyundai win the manufacturers' title." But since we already have about three hundred blurb options, I thought I'd just toss in one that was properly formed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Made some tweaks. Unnamelessness (talk) 02:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Marked as ready as they were no real oppositions for the last 24 hours. Would suggest ALT III personally. Unnamelessness (talk) 13:25, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tabaré Vázquez

Article: Tabaré Vázquez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País Uruguay Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oncologist and President of Uruguay for two non-consecutive terms for a total of ten years. His article needs a lot of work. As a former leader, maybe a blurb is better. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, article has vast swathes of unreferenced material. A lot of work will be needed to get this mainpage-ready - Dumelow (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Support RD after excellent referencing work by TDKR Chicago 101 - Dumelow (talk) 12:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Referencing issues all over. Gotitbro (talk) 11:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Also, Oppose blurb just not seeing blurb worthy significance here. Gotitbro (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Gotitbro Dumelow: Comment, I would not oppose that he wouldn't be posted as blurb, even though he was a transformative Uruguayan president. The article is a mess but until the middle of next week I will not have the time that I would like to dedicate to improve it, so I would be grateful if someone could give me a helping hand, to me and some who are doing some specific editions. Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support RD Looks fine now. Gotitbro (talk) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• @Alsoriano97: Challenge accepted and accomplished (hopefully). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• @TDKR Chicago 101: You did a great job! Thank you very much!! I'm trying to improve it in my little free time, so I will try to keep improving it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:36, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb because I'm not seeing the regional or international significance necessary. Oppose RD as well, because the article is missing a ton of citations, and furthermore says virtually nothing about his second term in office. NorthernFalcon (talk) 00:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD tag Made ref improvements. @Dumelow:, @Gotitbro:, @NorthernFalcon:: Made article improvements for RD tag approval. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC
• Support after ref improvements. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support good work cleaning up article, looks fine for RD now JW 1961 Talk 14:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Like it was never even unreffed Gex4pls (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

December 5

Portal:Current events/2020 December 5

December 5, 2020 (2020-12-05) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan, Participants in Operation Enduring Freedom Belgium announces that all troops will be withdrawn from Afghanistan in 2021, bringing an end to Belgian involvement in the war. Belgium currently has around 70 military personnel deployed in Afghanistan, as part of a train, advise and assist role for pro-government forces. (The Brussels Times) Disasters and accidents A carbon monoxide leak kills at least 18 miners at a coal mine in Yongchuan District, Chongqing, China. A search and rescue effort is underway to find six other missing miners. (The Guardian) A fire partially destroys the Middle Collegiate Church in New York City, United States. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Alberta Alberta reports 1,879 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new single-day record since the pandemic began. (Edmonton Journal) COVID-19 pandemic in Ontario Ontario reports a new single-day record of 1,859 cases, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 125,385. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Quebec Quebec reports a new single-day record of 2,031 cases, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 149,908. It is also the first time that a Canadian province has reported more than 2,000 cases in a single day. (CFCF-DT) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in California The California Department of Public Health issues a stay-at-home order for the San Joaquin Valley and Southern California as part of an effort to reduce the spread of COVID-19. The order will take effect tomorrow at 11:59 p.m. (The Washington Post) (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Iowa Iowa reports 960 hospitalized cases, making it the first time the state reported fewer than 1,000 hospitalized cases since November 18. (The Gazette) COVID-19 pandemic in Pennsylvania Pennsylvania reports 12,884 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new single-day record since the pandemic began. (WPVI-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia COVID-19 vaccination in Russia Moscow begins to vaccinate high-risk workers with the Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine at 70 newly opened clinics across the city, marking Russia’s first mass COVID-19 vaccination. (Al Jazeera) The number of new confirmed cases in Russia increases by a record 28,782 cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 2,431,731. (France 24) COVID-19 pandemic in Hungary Hungary reports a record 193 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 5,706. (Hungary Today) COVID-19 pandemic in Turkey Turkey reports a record 196 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 14,705 as a weekend lockdown takes effect. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom Labour Party Leader Keir Starmer self-isolates after one of his staff members tested positive for COVID-19. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India COVID-19 vaccination in India Pfizer announces that it has submitted their vaccine for approval in India. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran surpasses 50,000 total deaths from COVID-19. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Tokyo reports a new single-day record of 584 cases, according to data from the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, bringing the total number of confirmed cases in the city to 43,377. (The Japan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia reports less than 200 new cases for the first time since April 4. (Arab News) Politics and elections 2020 Kuwaiti general election Kuwaitis turn out to vote for the 50 electable National Assembly members in the general election. (Kuwait Times) Stonehenge closes to the public after protesters gathered at the site to protest the British government's plan to build a road tunnel near the monument. (AP) Science and technology JAXA space probe Hayabusa2 delivers the first ever subsurface asteroid samples to Earth. The capsule, containing a small amount of material from Apollo asteroid 162173 Ryugu, landed in the Australian outback. (CBS News)

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(Posted) RD: Belinda Bozzoli

Article: Belinda Bozzoli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News 24
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South African academic and politician. I gave it a quick once over but it wasn't too bad to start with - Dumelow (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Too short on political career. Gotitbro (talk) 11:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Not much time to edit today but I have expanded a little more here - Dumelow (talk) 14:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support It is now long enough for RD. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks ok for RD now following improvements JW 1961 Talk 14:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Short but decent article, well sourced and well written. Gex4pls (talk) 15:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Well done to all who worked on the article. Lefcentreright ^{Talk | Contribs | Global} 15:31, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Hayabusa2

Article: Hayabusa2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hayabusa2 successfully returns to Earth after collecting samples from asteroid 162173 Ryugu. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hayabusa2 successfully returns samples collected from asteroid 162173 Ryugu to Earth.
News source(s): Science Alert, NYTimes, AP, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Successful end of a six year mission. We know the capsule w/ sample had landed in Australia and just a matter of recovery. (And this is a prelude to the assumed posting of Chang'e 5 next weekish. Masem (t) 19:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I see a couple of uncited paragraphs in the "Rovers" section. Mlb96 (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Not many sample returns in history. Albertaont (talk) 21:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Seems like the perfect science achievement to put ITN, though from a cursory glance appears to have some referencing problems. Gex4pls (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality due to various unreferenced paragraphs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above, would support if referencing is fixed. A nitpick but "Science Alert" shouldn't be up there. Gotitbro (talk) 03:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Hayabusa2 has not returned to earth and its mission has been extended. The sample return capsule has returned. The blurb needs changes. Support in principle but few paragraphs needs references. -Nizil (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I've added altblurb to indicate that the original parameters (returning samples to earth) is complete. If they do extend the mission, we're not talking about destinations until 2026 or 2031, so well beyond the current issue. --Masem (t) 07:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Nizil makes an excellent point. Hayabusa2 still has about half its fuel left and it appears that it will continue to explore the solar system, visiting other bodies such as Venus, until the fuel runs out. As the nomination seems confused about this, we should not rush at this until the details and outcome are clear. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
      • There was one original mission for this craft: go to the asteroid, get samples, go back to earth, and deliver sample. That they found they have more fuel left over to possibly do it again is great (a similar story of the Mars rovers) but the original mission has been completed, and if these extended missions are taken, it would be years before any "success" is determine. --Masem (t) 14:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support alblurb ITNR and no serious quality issues now. Brandmeister^talk 16:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Brandmeister — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orbitalbuzzsaw (talk • contribs) 16:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Blurb should say it's Japanese. – Sca (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt, important mission. There are a few paragraphs needing refs, though.  Nixinova   T   C   04:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt, per nom.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

December 4

Portal:Current events/2020 December 4

December 4, 2020 (2020-12-04) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War American military intervention in Somalia U.S. President Donald Trump orders the withdrawal of almost all U.S. troops and assets from Somalia by January 15, according to the Department of Defense. (BBC News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict A 13-year-old Palestinian is killed by Israeli troops during clashes in the West Bank. (The Washington Post) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea The number of new confirmed cases in South Korea reaches a nine-month high of 629 cases in the last 24 hours, the majority being from the Seoul Capital Area. The country now has 36,332 total confirmed cases, according to data from the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency. (Yonhap News Agency) Acting Seoul Mayor Seo Jung-hyup announces that stores, theatres and other facilities must close at 9:00 p.m. local time for two weeks beginning tomorrow. This announcement comes after the city reported a record 295 new cases. (The Korea Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Bahrain Bahrain grants emergency use authorization for the COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer and BioNTech, becoming the second country after the United Kingdom to approve the vaccine. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Japan reports a record 45 new deaths in the past 24 hours as the number of severe cases also hitting a record 505 patients. (Nippon.com) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Vienna, Tyrol and Vorarlberg begin a nationwide mass testing of their populations in an effort to limit infections when families meet during Christmas. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Hungary Hungary reports a record 189 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 5,513. (Hungary Today) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia Health Minister Tomaž Gantar announces that Slovenia plans to launch mass COVID-19 testing before the end of the year as current restrictions have failed to reduce the infection rate. Testing should start after December 11 or 12, when the first 100,000 test kits are expected to be delivered to the country. (The Slovenia Times) (Barron's) COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in the United States The United States records 227,885 new cases of COVID-19, breaking a record set the previous day. (The Associated Press via WEYI-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada Canada exceeds 400,000 cases of COVID-19. (Global News) International relations Federated States of Micronesia–United States relations The Federated States of Micronesia declines to host the annual Operation Christmas Drop with the U.S. Air Force. The annual operation, which delivers food and other humanitarian aid to Pacific islanders, has been cancelled by Micronesian President David W. Panuelo, who cited the threat of COVID-19. (RNZ) Rohingya refugee crisis, Ashrayan Project Despite international pressure to back down, Bangladesh begins transferring thousands of Rohingya refugees to the remote island of Bhasan Char in the Bay of Bengal. Bangladesh says all the refugees being moved have given consent and that the relocation was voluntary. (BBC News) Law and crime Decriminalization of non-medical cannabis in the United States The House of Representatives votes 228–164 to pass a bill, known as the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement Act, that would decriminalize recreational cannabis at a federal level. (BBC News) 2020 Nova Scotia attacks Three people have been arrested for illegally providing ammunition to the gunman who killed 22 people across Nova Scotia, Canada in April. One of the three arrested is the gunman's common-law spouse. (CBC) The Mayor of Liverpool, England, Joe Anderson is arrested along with four others for conspiracy to commit bribery and witness intimidation. He is subsequently suspended from the Labour Party. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2020 Montenegrin parliamentary election The parliament of Montenegro approves a new coalition government of centre-right, pro-Serb minority and green parties, formally ending three decades of Democratic Party of Socialists of Montenegro (DPS) rule in the country. New Prime Minister Zdravko Krivokapić vows to dismantle a state apparatus built by the DPS, and root-out corruption and organised crime. (Reuters) Science and technology The Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search completes testing of all Mersenne numbers with exponents less than 100,000,000. Following the milestone, the server experienced an increase in traffic, prompting maintenance and the temporary removal of the top section of the "Milestones" page which normally shows the live real time progress report toward upcoming milestones. (Mersenne Forum) (YCombinator)

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(Posted) RD: James Odongo

Article: James Odongo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent (Uganda)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ugandan Roman Catholic archbishop. Could be expanded perhaps, but I found this is reasonably good condition - Dumelow (talk) 10:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Just passes basic RD-needs, would like to see more info about his activities as a Bishop though. Gotitbro (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support ok for RD JW 1961 Talk 12:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ferenc Tóth (politician)

Article: Ferenc Tóth (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TEOL (Hungarian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian engineer and politician. I've tidied up the text and fixed a ref but was otherwise pleasantly surprised with the conditin of this article, though it it a little on the short side - Dumelow (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support A bit short but RD-passable. Gotitbro (talk) 11:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: David Lander

Article: David Lander (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Aka "Squiggy" from Laverne & Shirley. Article needs a lot of sourcing fixes. Masem (t) 20:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Basically a mostly uncited mess ATM. Gotitbro (talk) 03:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Sadly about 40% uncited. Gex4pls (talk) 15:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: Jayant Meghani

Article: Jayant Meghani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Gazal world (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian editor, translator and book publisher. Gazal world (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose practically a stub. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per TRM. Bio section = 90 words. – Sca (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose While notability is not necessarily a criteria, this person's page was created for the purposes of RD and is less than a day old. Albertaont (talk) 03:47, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

  Albertaont, there is a subtle difference. It is not true that notability is NOT a criteria for WP:ITNRD. It is assumed that anyone by virtue of having a Wikipedia article (obviously non PRODed or non AFDed) is inherently notable. Now, with this being stated, imo, it does not matter if the article was recently created as long as it meets the notability guidelines to exist as an article within WP. Hope this helps. Ktin (talk) 06:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

  I don't think there is an issue about notability. --Gazal world (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support The article covers enough basic info about a person and his works (300+ words). It is a start-class article in my opinion. I will try to add additional info. -Nizil (talk) 06:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. There's no issue with an article being created posthumously, RD rules still apply. But that said, it is currently effectively a stub. The "Works" section is really just a list, formatted to look like prose. More info on his life and work is needed in the bio section.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Bsrely long enough, could use some more expansion. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Narinder Singh Kapany

Article: Narinder Singh Kapany (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian American Physicist. CN tags fixed. Seems alright. Can make any additional edits as required. Ktin (talk) 01:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks generally okay to me. Gotitbro (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Mostly fine. The artist section is not fully supported by the single reference provided. As near as I can tell, he was not a serious artist, so I wonder if that should be stricken from the lede. We could certainly call him an art patron. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:45, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

  GreatCaesarsGhost, done. Removed artist from the lede. Agree, primary focus should be on the physicist portion. Added another source as well. Ktin (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support looks alright to me. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Montenegrin PM

Articles: Zdravko Krivokapić (talk · history · tag) and Krivokapić Cabinet (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Zdravko Krivokapić takes office as Prime Minister of Montenegro, becoming the first independent Prime Minister to hold the post, after 30 years of Democratic Party of Socialists rule in the country. (Post)
News source(s): Government of Montenegro, Radio Free Europe, BBC, Al Jazeera, RTCG, Vijesti, Pobjeda, N1, Reuters (Eng.), AFP via RFI (Eng.)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by WalterII (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Elserbio00 (talk · give credit) and Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 WalterII (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, the personal article needs more references, the PM of of Montenegro article has only 1 reference (to an article on the PM of Kosovo) JW 1961 Talk 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

  I think that this news is important enough for publication, also i think that the main article is more informative, as well more referenced than the recently published article on the new Lithuanian PM, for example. -WalterII (talk) 13:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

  Yes of course it is important enough. It was the article sourcing quality I had reservations about. The article on Zdravko Krivokapić is now improved enough for the main page, but, I would still have concerns that the PM article has only a single source JW 1961 Talk 15:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Since this is not a normal electoral change, it should be explained in the blurb how he came to power; also an uncommon acronym (DPS) shouldn't be in there. Gotitbro (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Now that the referencing issues have been fixed, would still to see an alternate blurb though. Gotitbro (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose I support the idea of a blurb, once the issues Joseywales1961 raised have been resolved. I also agree with Gotitbro's comment on the potential blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support All citation needed tags have been resolved. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:58, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose we already featured the elections, but it's a slow week This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is a significant news about regime change by a democratically election. --Tensa Februari (talk) 02:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

  Changes of heads of state/government (whoever holds actual power) are (such as this one) WP:ITN/R , i.e., their significance is already known only the article quality needs to be fine. Also, this particular change was not through an election but internal parliament shuffling. Gotitbro (talk) 04:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

  The new PM and his cabinet were formally voted in the parliament, following the results of the 30 August parliamentary election (negotiations on the formation of the new government lasted for three months), which resulted in fall from power of the DPS of Milo Đukanović, which had ruled the country since the introduction of the multi-party system in 1990. -WalterII (talk) 13:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support This information is of merit considering that the former ruling party firmly ruled for 30 years, that is, from the very start of multi-party system in Montenegro. Additionally, the article has been updated and it looks better now. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 02:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose from read of the article, does not seem like an "independent" in the regular sense, could support if WP:NPOV. Albertaont (talk) 03:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support - The article has been significantly improved, and the news is important due to the overthrow of the authoritarian regime after 30 years.--WEBDuB (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Per comment above this one Elserbio00 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. I removed Prime Minister from the latter portion of the blurb as posted as it seemed redundant, and I left off the last portion of the proposed blurb as it seemed unnecessary if we are stating that he's the first independent. 331dot (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

December 3

Portal:Current events/2020 December 3

December 3, 2020 (2020-12-03) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Azerbaijan says that 2,783 Azerbaijani soldiers were killed during the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. (Al Jazeera) Mali Civil War The United Kingdom announces that 300 troops will be deployed to Mali as part of the MINUSMA peacekeeping mission. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2020 California wildfires A wildfire breaks out in Orange County, California, U.S., and spreads to over 2,000 acres, prompting evacuations. (Los Angeles Times) Avonmouth explosion Four people are killed and another injured by an explosion at a wastewater treatment works in Avonmouth, Bristol, England, United Kingdom. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in California California Governor Gavin Newsom introduces a regional stay-at-home order that requires the closure of bars, wineries, hair salons, and barbershops for three weeks in regions where ICU capacity falls below 15% and also restricts non-essential travel in those regions. The order divides the state into five regions. (CBS News) COVID-19 pandemic in North Dakota North Dakota lawmakers issue a mask mandate for their upcoming legislative season at the state capitol. The measure will take effect on January 5. (Grand Forks Herald) (U.S. News & World Report) COVID-19 pandemic in Iowa Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds says that the state is expected to receive up to 172,000 vaccine doses this month. (Des Moines Register) COVID-19 pandemic in Vermont The number of new confirmed cases in Vermont increases by a record 178 cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the total of confirmed cases to 4,642. (Vermont Public Radio) President-elect Joe Biden announces that Dr. Vivek Murthy and Jeff Zients will lead his administration's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. He has also asked Dr. Anthony Fauci to remain in the White House Coronavirus Task Force and become its chief medical advisor. (Politico) COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Alberta Alberta reports 1,854 new cases, a single-day record. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Quebec Quebec Premier François Legault cancels a plan to allow Christmas gatherings of up to 10 people in the province amid an increase of cases. (The Globe and Mail) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Greece The government extends the nationwide lockdown by one week until December 14 to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Ekathimerini) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italy reports a record 993 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 58,038 and surpassing the previous record of 919 new deaths recorded on March 27. (Corriere della Sera) Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte signs a decree that bans inter-regional travel between December 21 and January 6 except for work, health, or emergency reasons. In addition, people will not be allowed to leave their towns on Christmas Day, Boxing Day, and New Year's Day. (The Guardian) (BBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Hungary Hungary reports a record 182 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 5,324. (Hungary Today) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia The number of new confirmed cases in Russia increases by a record 28,145 cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 2,375,546. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom The United Kingdom surpasses 60,000 total deaths from COVID-19. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia The number of new confirmed cases in Indonesia increases by a record 8,369 new cases over the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 557,877. Papua reports the most cases of any province with 1,755 new cases. (Okezone) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran Iran surpasses one million total cases of COVID-19. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Chile President Sebastián Piñera extends the state of catastrophe for another three months until March 13, 2021 due to the ongoing pandemic. (UrduPoint) COVID-19 vaccine Moderna says that they are expected to have 100–125 million doses of their vaccine shipped globally during the first quarter of 2021. (Reuters) Sinovac delivers one million doses of CoronaVac to Butantan Institute in São Paulo. (Reuters) 2020 H5N8 outbreak South Korea reports a new case of highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N8 in wild birds in Buan, North Jeolla Province according to the Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs. (Yonhap News Agency) International relations North Macedonia–United Kingdom relations North Macedonia and the United Kingdom sign a Partnership, Trade and Cooperation Agreement to continue preferential trade terms after the end of the UK's Brexit transition period on December 31. The agreement also strengthens political, economic, security, and cultural ties between both nations. (Gov.uk) Nauru–United States relations The United States and Nauru sign a trade deal which is expected to provide access to the full range of investment support offered by the United States to the Pacific Island nation. Nauru High Commissioner Michael Aroi thanked Joseph Cella, the U.S. Ambassador to several Pacific Island nations, for continuing American support to boost relations between both countries. (RNZ) Law and crime 2020–2021 United States racial unrest Kenosha unrest shooting The Kenosha County Circuit Court orders Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old teen accused of shooting three people, two fatally, during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, to stand trial for first degree homicide and reckless endangerment. His lawyers are claiming he did so in self defense. (ABC News) Hong Kong national security law, Pro-democracy camp (Hong Kong) Hong Kong media tycoon and pro-democracy activist Jimmy Lai is denied bail and remains in custody over alleged fraud related to the lease of a building that houses his Apple Daily, an anti-government newspaper. (Reuters) Science and technology Misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic Facebook announces that it will remove misinformation related to COVID-19 vaccines as countries prepare to distribute them. (CNBC) Chinese space program The China National Space Administration probe Chang'e 5 lifts off from the surface of the moon as it begins a journey back to Earth after collecting samples of lunar soil. The ascender will rendezvous with the orbiter, transferring over the samples, and the orbiter will then land at a location in Inner Mongolia, China. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Maria Fyfe

Article: Maria Fyfe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Scotsman
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish politician. I've tidied the article a little, adding some stuff, removing some uncited material etc. It's short but probably OK - Dumelow (talk) 10:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support seems brief but what's there is ok. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Taut but RD passable. Gotitbro (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

So taut it's thin. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alison Lurie

Article: Alison Lurie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Neverbuffed (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1984 Pulitzer Prize winner, famous novelist Neverbuffed (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - The sourcing is very bad. There are entire sections without a single ref. This article needs a lot of work to be ready for posting.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 01:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Agree with comment above, sources needed for 3 sections, as well as numerous statements throughout article. Not to mention an orange tag. Gex4pls (talk) 01:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above and could also do well with MOS:LAYOUT edits. Gotitbro (talk) 02:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: I have added citations to the "Awards" section and changed the "Selected novels" section to a "Bibliography" one with further citations. Apologies if these edits are not constructive as I usually do not edit these types of articles. Aoba47 (talk) 17:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support. It's been massively improved (thanks Aoba47), but still not sufficiently comprehensive as to her literary impact. I've added what I could but more is needed. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. I would do more, but I am not familiar with how this kind of article should be structured. I agree with you that it is not comprehensive with her literary impact (or writing career in general). Aoba47 (talk) 19:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• I think there's enough in there now about her life and work for a full-throated support. (Not to toot my own horn re: the additions, of course :) ) Important, Pulitzer-winning novelist with obits in all major English-language papers, and would be a nice corrective the pretty egregious male dominance of RD these days. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 20:23, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• support - seems ready after improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 20:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bill Fitsell

Article: Bill Fitsell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sudbury Star The Whig
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recent death and article update Flibirigit (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks good. Gotitbro (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jutta Lampe

Article: Jutta Lampe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary stage actress of the Schaubühne, and had a stub for an article. Much more in the sources, if someone wants to help. A translation of the praise by Botho Strauß would be great! Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support good enough for RD. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support This one looks good to go for RD JW 1961 Talk 00:17, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is good enough. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Fine for an RD. Gotitbro (talk) 03:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Betsy Wade

Article: Betsy Wade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Valereee (talk · give credit)
• Created by Angshah (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lopifalko (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is a bit thin but otherwise in good shape. —valereee (talk) 14:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine for an RD, though could do well with an infobox. Gotitbro (talk) 15:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support just about adequate. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 16:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. The career section, particularly the bottom half, suffers from WP:PROSELINE. In 1972...., In 1974 ...., In 1987 ...... A round of copy-edits would be good. Also, the 'Spencer' test -- currently, the article has a lot of positions, and some notable firsts, which is good. But, the article should add some of Ms Wade's works as well. E.g. what notable news topics did she cover? Some elaboration of her Pultizer winning work? I think the article is almost there, but, needs some work to get it to homepage / RD. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 16:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Running a bit thin on sources and some grammatical issues per above, but it seems passable. Gex4pls (talk) 16:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support I was going to nominate this article just now! Article is in good condition, great length and sourcing is good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dharampal Gulati

Article: Dharampal Gulati (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fylindfotberserk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian entrepreneur, founder and CEO of MDH Spices. Edits done. Clean Start-class biography. Good for homepage. Ktin (talk) 03:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Name as called out in WP:RS vs Honorific claim

Comment Mahashay is an honorific not a name, should be removed from the title/lead/ib per WP:NCIN. Gotitbro (talk) 04:00, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Gotitbro, If some other knowledgeable editors want to chime in and / or even go directly make the move, I will not object. None of the articles that I have read so far seem to indicate this, and I do not want to be guilty of WP:OR Ktin (talk) 04:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC) @Ktin: Removing honorifics doesn't fall under OR. Many Indian sources (which are used in the article) don't bother removing honorifics. His WP:LEGALNAME is listed without the honorific in official company filings. Gotitbro (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Gotitbro, I will admit, I am not knowledgeable about this topic. I do not want to use a collins dictionary link to make a translation myself as you have done above, to say that it is a honorific. I am not saying you are wrong. All I am saying is if there is a more knowledgeable editor (including yourself) and they want to move the article, I will not object. My sources have been The Hindu, Indian Express, ThePrint. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 04:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Edit: For what it is worth, the Padma Awards site here has him called out as Mahashay Dharampal Gulati. Also seen here in the notification. Seems like the above move was hasty. Ktin (talk) 04:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC) @Ktin: I've gone ahead and made a WP:BOLD move as I am pretty sure about this. Yeah, Padma Awards add their own numerous honorifics (for e.g. Shri) to names so not surprising. Anyway WP:LEGALNAME is also a precedent here which is fulfilled by the company records. Gotitbro (talk) 04:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Gotitbro, Shri is equivalent to Mr. in this context, and should not be misconstrued. E.g. Shri John Chambers. I am always weary about statements like "I am pretty sure about this" as a leading statements here, since that is the definition of WP:OR while WP:RS sources say otherwise. But anyways, I do not have too strong an opinion on this one, unless a different editor wants to chime in one way or the other. Ktin (talk) 05:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Seems fine. Ref spot check is good.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Decently referenced article, suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 11:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: 2020 Indian farmers' protest

Article: 2020 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, a quarter of a billion strike for 24 hours and 100,000 continue with a farmers' siege of New Delhi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, a nation-wide general strike occurs and 100,000 continue with the farmers' protests surrounding New Delhi.
News source(s): BBC, AP, India Today (Bharat Bandh = India-wide strike), Al Jazeera English,
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SangrurUser (talk · give credit), DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit) and KyloRen3 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ongoing. Updates being posted. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support The article is light on the scale of the protests (no mention of number of protesters), but its definitely in non-indian news as well over the past week. There are sympathy protests with the farmers outside of India, to a lesser extent. Albertaont (talk) 04:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Number of protestors added. DTM (talk) 09:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support on significance, Wait due to grammar issues. The article could use a thorough grammar and MOS cleanup. 45.251.33.78 (talk) 10:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

One round of copyediting complete. DTM (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Could use some more cleaning. "Awards return", "announced to return his award" and "Chief minister of Punjab" not being properly capitalised are 3 grammar/MOS issues in just the last 2 lines of the article and a subsection's title. The article may need some editors who focus on grammar and MOS. 45.251.33.78 (talk) 04:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support in principle, oppose on quality what exactly are the provisions/policies in the bills that cause concern, and what specifically are the demands? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I have listed the demands in its own section 2020 Indian farmers' protest#List_of_farmer_demands. The provisions are elaborated in the clearly linked parent article Indian farm reforms 2020. However as the demands show, the demands encompass more than just the three new laws. Nevertheless, changes can be made as you said. DTM (talk) 12:39, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – RS coverage seems slight, although AP carried a photo series with brief descriptions of protest conditions. – Sca (talk) 14:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

"RS coverage seems slight" — seriously? DTM (talk) 15:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

One source listed above. – Sca (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support once MOS issues have been fixed because... yikes This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article quality seems to have improved; it's not perfect and I encourage continued work, but it looks passable. It is very well referenced, and seems to cover well all of the main issues. Seems like a good target for an Ongoing link. --Jayron32 15:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support I was going to oppose this yesterday as "tens of thousands" is not a high percentage in India and the quality of the article wasn't there, but after separately reading that these were in the 100k's of ppl now and seeing that incorporated into this article as well as the further expansion, this is clearly significant with the events from last weekend (road blockages, etc.) --Masem (t) 15:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality grounds. The article may be well-referenced, but it is poorly written. One of the purposes of ITN is "To showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events," and I do not believe the article meets that standard. -- Calidum 15:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I think I've fixed most of the writing and grammar issues; there were a number of them. Black Kite (talk) 01:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: don't we usually blurb first and then consider ongoing later? Could a blurb be proposed for this item? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The protests have been going on since August so a blurb would be "stale" but they have ramped up over last weekend. There is no requirement for a ongoing to start with a blurb. --Masem (t) 14:08, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
  • This was my thought as well. Usually if something is newsworthy enough for Ongoing, it starts with a blurb. Readers won't necessarily know what this is about, but if we give them a headline story first, then bump it down to Ongoing once that's rolled off, it's much better.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support - the protests follow the 26 November 24-hour strike by 250 million people (= 25 crore) according to trade unions' estimates (Deccan Herald; Tribune (Chandigarh)). Without a police (or BJP) counterclaim, the estimate so far appears to be unchallenged. This does sound like a world record. The Delhi ongoing blockade is gradually attracting more and more worldwide media attention. I did a bit of tidying in the article. Boud (talk) 02:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Clarification - I see that there are two separate articles Indian general strike of 2020 and 2020 Indian farmers' protest. I only saw Indian general strike of 2020 up to now. The ongoing action is that of 2020 Indian farmers' protest. I support 2020 Indian farmers' protest for the reasons I stated, but "did a bit of tidying" applies to the strike article, not to the farmers' protest article. Boud (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - please could a blurb be proposed, as per MSGJ above. It should be blurbed before it goes to Ongoing.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Blurb1 proposal:

In India, a quarter of a billion strike for 24 hours and 100,000 continue with a farmers' siege of New Delhi.

Boud (talk) 20:36, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Comments - since the BBC says "hundreds of thousands", we could put 200,000, following the minimal literal interpretation policy that seems to be the preferred en.Wikipedia standard. But this is not the place to dispute numbers, so 100,000 would seem safer to me. A tricky thing for the blurb is the historical ambiguity in the word "Indians" - people of India versus Native Americans, which is why I avoided the word. Boud (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC) I fixed the typo (seige/siege) and posted the blurb above, and removed 'add' from the 'ongoing' parameter since otherwise the blurb would not display. Boud (talk) 21:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Journalism rule: Never assume anything. We definitely should not guess at the number of protesting farmers. (And the blurb is sensationalized in this respect.) Topic getting stale. – Sca (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I've no idea what "assume" is supposed to apply to - these numbers are from the sources. India Today says 200-300,000 farmers have besieged Delhi. As for "stale", the next national strike is planned for 8 December. There's no sign of the farmers giving up. Boud (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Is there a reason this hasnt been posted? We have gone straight to on-going in the past, and a blurb just belabors the point since it would just be an attempt to capture what is going on today. Added altblurb 2 if blurb seems sensational. Albertaont (talk) 15:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Whether with a blurb or directly to Ongoing, this should be posted. There seems to be a last-minute objection from Sca, but the objection lacks explanation and is difficult to understand in comparison to the article. Boud (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Suggest you rewind your watch. – Sca (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Let's quote the source(s) on "hundreds of thousands," then. Let's not pull a number out of the air, however reasonable it might seem. – Sca (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• India Today Hundreds of thousands of farmers marching from Punjab have laid siege ... The agitation has seen an estimated 200,000-300,000 farmers converging at various entry points to Delhi.
• BBC News Hundreds of thousands of farmers have laid siege to Delhi for the past few days, choking almost all the entry points to the national capital.
• Business Standard As per police estimates, the number of protesters belonging to the Left-leaning union BKU Ekta-Ugrahan could be between 1.5 to 2 lakh with sizeable number of youngsters and women. 1.5 to 2 lakh = 150,000 to 200,000.

Boud (talk) 21:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This is an ongoing siege of the government of the biggest democracy in the world, it's well-covered in en.Wikipedia by the usual criteria, and we have a strong (not perfect) consensus to post. Boud (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb – It seems very appropriate for Ongoing, but not for a blurb. Factors include lack of reported casualties and its essentially parochial character, regardless of whatever numbers may be guessed at – and the lack of general RS confirmation. – Sca (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Whether this is posted with a blurb or immediately as Ongoing is a minor issue. Regarding deaths or injuries ("casualties"): Wikipedia ITN is not intended to be a tabloid where blood is required for coverage. Regarding "parochial" - India is the world's biggest democracy. There are plenty of sources: claiming otherwise won't make them disappear. This is not the USopedia or UKopedia. Boud (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

The world's most populous democracy. – Sca (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Comment: Are we missing something right here? There doesn't seem to be opposition (the only oppose was for quality issues that had long been fixed). Do we have conflicts of interest which prevent this from being posted? Albertaont (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

•  Posted altblurb — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Pull The article seems to be quite poor quality. I just read it to understand the issue, as it had not appeared in any news report that I'd read or seen, unlike Brexit say, which is all over the news. The article kept talking about the "mandi" system as a key demand of the farmers but doesn't explain it and we don't have an article. After some research, I find a source which explains that these mandis are local markets for produce – the sort of topic that we might cover under a English title like marketplace or agricultural marketing. The word seems to be Hindi but this is the English-language Wikipedia. The article uses other foreign words like Gherao, Dharna and Raasta roko which will likewise be incomprehensible to our English-language readership.

Now, this may not just be a matter of language. While searching the BBC for this topic, the main article I found was India farmers: Misleading content shared about the protests from the BBC Reality Check unit. This explains that misinformation about this matter is being spread deliberately online. As we therefore need to be extra vigilant, we should not be promoting the topic on our main page without more scrutiny. Getting it all written in English would be a start.

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Pull – Per previous and my posts above, this one time I support pulling the blurb. This smacks of an overblown cause celebre. The AP photo series of three days ago was very good at illustrating the event(s) but not really informative at all. – Sca (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
• Don't pull. I see little wrong with the article myself, and this is clearly a very major deal and ongoing headline news in India.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:45, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2

Portal:Current events/2020 December 2

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(BBC News) 2019–20 Hong Kong protests, Hong Kong national security law Hong Kong activist Joshua Wong is sentenced to 13 and a half months in prison for inciting an "illegal assembly" while two other activists, Agnes Chow and Ivan Lam, receive 10 months and 7 months in prison, respectively, for similar charges. (DW) 2020 Thai protests Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha is acquitted of breaching ethics clauses in the Constitution, allowing him to remain in power. (The Diplomat) Legality of cannabis, Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs The United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs (CND) votes to reclassify cannabis as a less dangerous drug after removing it from Schedule IV of the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, where it was listed alongside opioids such as heroin. This change is expected to bolster medical research and legalization efforts around the world. (The New York Times)

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RD: Rafer Johnson

Article: Rafer Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, CNN, CBS News.
Credits:

• Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American decathlete and film actor. --SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 01:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Way to many unsourced statements. Gex4pls (talk) 02:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Half the article is unreferenced. Gotitbro (talk) 02:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article references have been improved - looks good to go. Joofjoof (talk) 04:40, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Amakuru and MSGJ: could you check this? Joofjoof (talk) 23:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

    @Joofjoof yeah, it kind of looks OK now, but unfortunately I think the boat has probably sailed on this one. His death was on December 2, but the oldest RD entry currently on the main page is dated December 4. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Oh well, that happens. Thanks anyway. Joofjoof (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

(Blurb posted) RD: Valéry Giscard d'Estaing

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of France Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (pictured) dies at the age of 94. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former President of France Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (pictured) dies of COVID-19 at the age of 94.
News source(s): Europe1 BFM BBCDaily TelegraphLe MondeNYTLA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former President of France. Johndavies837 (talk) 22:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support This may be blurb worthy, had massive impact on European politics. Albertaont (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• The article needs some more references. I added CN tags at honors but I see there are more unsourced paragraphs throughout the article. A blurb is possible, indeed, once the article is fixed. --Tone 23:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Tone: I've added sources and the article should be looking good for a blurb right now.--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, way too many uncited sentences and paragraphs. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Joseph2302:: I've added the sources and made sure everything is cited. Should be good for a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb, not enough coverage/impact of death and funeral. Contrast with Diego Maradona's death which now has doctors' offices being raided by the police. Abductive (reasoning) 01:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb Recognized for his pro-European stance, but criticized for his aloofness. (He died of covid-19 complications.) Mathsci (talk) 01:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Would support blurb on significance (not every death has to be of Maradona standard) but the article and its referencing is just too poor, whole paras and sections are missing any cites at all. Gotitbro (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Gotitbro:: Fixed all the issues and article should be looking good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb now. Gotitbro (talk) 13:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

RD is for deaths that aren't important enough for blurbs, such as this one. Importance means; a stand-alone article on the person's death and/or funeral could be supported. Note the distinguishing between the person and their death. Abductive (reasoning) 07:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Abductive: I think you put your reply in the wrong place. Gotitbro (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb subject to quality standards being met. Important French politician of the 60s and 70s. Mjroots (talk) 07:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose never going to be satisfactory. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: How about now? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Splendid work so I can support for RD without hesitation. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Also Oppose even for RD until citing is improved, way too much uncited in there now. JW 1961 Talk 11:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC) Good job on the fixing @TDKR Chicago 101:, post posting blurb Support JW 1961 Talk 14:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Joseywales1961:: Fixed it. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb Former president of a major country, gaining significant coverage and I will work on the article to make it up to date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb Former president of a permanent member state of the United Nations Security Council should merit a blurb in principle. There are people who become transformative because of their work and people who are made transformative because of their office. He belongs to the latter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Sorry, but that makes no sense; by that logic Gordon Brown or François Hollande would warrant a blurb when their time comes. Holding a notable job doesn't confer automatic notability on the holder, it just puts the holder into a position in which they're potentially able to do notable things. ‑ Iridescent 13:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  After posting blurbs for the deaths of some office-holders in the United States just because it's a large and powerful country, I don't see a reason why the death of a former leader of another large and powerful country should be omitted. I was one of the fiercest opposers to lowering the bar for death blurbs when we introduced RD and I still have relatively high criteria but it's simply not equitable to apply double standards given the mistakes made in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Per Kiril and it is also important to mention Giscard d'Estaing's works for the European Union and his presidency during France's modernizing shift as the NYT remembered him. Also worth mentioning Chirac's RD blurb was only largely opposed based on article quality and when India's PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee died in 2018, he also had a blurb posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Agree, ITNC has a bias towards American officeholders. He is more notable than many American non-President officeholders that have been given a blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb agree with reasons above, and article is well sourced now. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support article quality is sufficient. Agnostic on blurb/RD. --Jayron32 13:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD only Not one of those rare cases where a blurb is necessary. This is what RD is for.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment blurb has already been posted. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Indeed,  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Comment @MSGJ: Should the discussion be closed soon as it may lead to unconstructive arguments? Just curious. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Not at all. Consensus may swing the other way and people have a right to express their opinions — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Gotcha I just wanted to know the ropes here when it comes to closing discussions because I've seen some discussions close the moment something's posted. Good to know! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  That's actually never happened. Discussions have only been closed once people stop being useful and start to focus on defeating people they don't like. --Jayron32 15:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting comment – A familiar name, but Giscard seems not widely remembered for his policies. At 2,800 words, his article is modest – and since he died at 94, albeit of Covid, the death isn't surprising. If our main reason for the blurb was to counter a perceived U.S. bias, that's not valid. But I'm NOT for pulling it; we've taken the plunge. – Sca (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  I will note that the only time anyone mentioned a U.S. bias, it was you, right now. --Jayron32 15:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Not correct, the first mention of bias was me at 13:00 UTC today. But I think the right outcome has emerged- an important head of state should have a blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Indeed: "ITNC has a bias towards American officeholders." Anyway, some users have alleged such here in the past. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Strong post-posting blurb support Household name in Europe. We posted some literalwho American judge who was like a 100-years old when she died, and people are opposing the blurb about the last president of France under whom the country actually meant something on the world stage? Cringe.
  Also, proposing an alt-blurb that mentions Covid-19. CoronaOneLove (talk) 17:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb regardless of being a household name or not, I think blurb posting for any former leader of the G7/8/20 countries is a no-brainer (as long as the rest of the ITN requirements are met). --Masem (t) 17:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Zafarullah Khan Jamali

Article: Zafarullah Khan Jamali (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Prime Minister of Pakistan Zafarullah Khan Jamali dies at the age of 76. (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Association Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 15th Prime Minister of Pakistan. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Just needs a couple of citations in the first two sentences of "Prime Minister of Pakistan" section JW 1961 Talk 21:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose poor quality PROSELINE and inadequate sourcing. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support definitely worse RDs out there (although we may need to revisit RDs). Albertaont (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Two unsourced statements, and could use a few more than 26 sources. Gex4pls (talk) 01:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Lead needs reworking and some unreferenced statements here and there in the article. Gotitbro (talk) 02:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb - marked it ready as the article is now fully referenced. At least a photo must be posted along with the RD, if not a blurb. Otherwise it will cement the perception of biasness here with the French guy getting a blurb. Depressed Desi (talk) 13:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• @Amakuru and MSGJ: this needs attention. Depressed Desi (talk) 14:04, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD - looks like referencing issues were sorted. There isn't a consensus for blurbing right now, but people can continue discussing that if they wish. Not sure he's really comparable to Giscard, as he was only in office for 1.5 years. Also we wouldn't put a pic if he remains only at RD. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Walter E. Williams

Article: Walter E. Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Arbor to SJ (talk · give credit) and Gunbirddriver (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Economist. Article looks in good shape. Picked the article up from Deaths in 2020. Did not have to make any major edits. RIP. Ktin (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support good article, would encourage Arbor to SJ to take it to WP:GAN after expanding the lead a little. This is good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support looks good to go JW 1961 Talk 21:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks very good, nice find, and previous work by editors. Gotitbro (talk) 02:15, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

RD: Pat Patterson

Article: Pat Patterson (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by spman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French Canadian Professional Wrestler, fairly transcendent in his field - (talk)Spman (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple unreferenced paragraphs. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Seeing a lot of unreferenced paras in there. Gotitbro (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Full of unreferenced and citation needed tagged sentences. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for article quality, but want to remind people that being a gay wrestler is like maybe 10% of his transformative effect on the WWF (and thereby the whole damn industry). If it was a good article, I'd blurb it for sure. If I booked this promotion, I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mohamed Abarhoun

Article: Mohamed Abarhoun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): <Morocco World News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mrsmiis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Moroccan footballer, career cut short by cancer. Not much information out there but I've fleshed out the article a bit - Dumelow (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose it's still marked as a stub and excluding the lead we've got fewer than 1500 characters. Not convinced this is all there is to say about a player who admittedly died young but still managed more than 200 professional appearances. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Fair point, I'll see if I can find something more on his career. It'll probably be tomorrow - Dumelow (talk) 22:01, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi The Rambling Man, I've fleshed out the club career section a bit more now - Dumelow (talk) 08:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Support good work. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks okay now but can still be expanded. Gotitbro (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Still ready almost 13 hours later and not been posted. Any admins out there? Joseph2302 (talk) 12:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

(Banner updated) BNT162b2

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Article: BNT162b2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom becomes the first country to approve the BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine for emergency authorisation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine is approved for emergency authorisation in the United Kingdom.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Kingdom approves BNT162b2 for emergency authorisation, becoming the first Western country to approve a COVID-19 vaccine.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The United Kingdom approves BNT162b2 for emergency authorisation, becoming the first country to approve a COVID-19 vaccine after large-scale testing.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ The United Kingdom approves the BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine for emergency authorisation, becoming the first country to approve an mRNA vaccine.
Alternative blurb V: ​ The BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine becomes the first mRNA vaccine to be approved in a country after gaining emergency authorization in the United Kingdom.
News source(s):

• Roberts, Michelle (2 December 2020). "Covid Pfizer vaccine approved for use next week in UK". BBC. Retrieved 2 December 2020.
• Mueller, Benjamin (2 December 2020). "U.K. Approves Pfizer Coronavirus Vaccine, a First in the West". New York Times. Retrieved 2 December 2020.
• Pancevski, Bojan; Strasburg, Jenny; Hopkins, Jared S. (2 December 2020). "Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 Vaccine Wins U.K. Authorization". Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2 December 2020.

Credits:

• Nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bluerasberry (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noxoug1 (talk · give credit) and MarkH21 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The BBC, NYT, and WSJ sources say that this is the first instance of a Western country approving mass COVID-19 vaccination (after China and Russia's approval of two other vaccines) and the first country to approve this specific vaccine. There are many different ways to word either statement and there are other possible details to include (e.g. adding Pfizer/BioNTech, mentioning that it is an emergency authorization, or linking COVID-19 instead of COVID-19 vaccine), so feel free to suggest better wordings. — MarkH₂₁^talk 10:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Not being pointy/obtuse here, I just think we need to say it: why is first in the West worth making note of? 75.188.224.208 (talk) 12:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  I suppose it’s moreso the level of testing for BNT162b2 than the UK being in the West: No country until Wednesday had authorized a fully tested coronavirus vaccine; Russia and China approved vaccines without waiting for large-scale efficacy tests (NYT). It's also the first time that an mRNA vaccine has been approved. — MarkH₂₁^talk 13:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Support Alt 3 in that case. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 13:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support: Its an important step towards beating Covid-19, regardless if its the first western country to approve of a vaccine. Any move forward is a good move forward. Fusioncore21 (talk) 12:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Update BannerOppose Is this not already covered by the banner? Is there some reason that we should focus on this vaccine over ones from Russia (widely available, released earlier), China (available in large numbers, released earlier), or even more niche vaccines that have been used previously?130.233.213.199 (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

In light of comments below, I think we should make COVID-19 vaccine a link in the banner. It's already there in many of the links, but we might as well put it directly.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:49, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Well first off, its not wide-spread approval, its Emergency Use Authorization. Second off, other countries like United Arab Emirates and Bahrain have also approved a COVID-19 vaccine and the ruler of Dubai himself already got the injection. Not exactly sure why this becomes notable, unless you wish to say "The United Kingdom approves BNT162b2 for widespread use, becoming the first G7 country to approve a COVID-19 vaccine. Albertaont (talk) 14:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  UAE ran Phase III trials with 31,000 volunteers, and Bahrain with 7,000 volunteers. (Reuters) (CNBC).Albertaont (talk) 15:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Stop directly changing the nomination.

  Emergency Use Authorization is an article about an FDA authority, not the authorisation in the UK.

  ALT3 is directly from the NYT: No country until Wednesday had authorized a fully tested coronavirus vaccine, while the Bahrain/UAE approval is for the aformentioned Chinese vaccine that was approved without waiting for large-scale efficacy tests.

  This is also notable for being the first approved mRNA vaccine of any kind (ALT4), as mentioned in the NYT, BBC, and WSJ articles. — MarkH₂₁^talk 14:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  The very same NYT article said approval in UK is for emergency use. It says it in the very first sentence. Albertaont (talk) 14:48, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  If you look at the article Emergency Use Authorization, it is strictly about the FDA in the United States. That article should not be linked here. — MarkH₂₁^talk 14:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose for two reasons. Firstly, this should already be covered with the banner and, if not, the update should be done there. Secondly, we didn't post the approval of Gam-COVID-Vac in Russia, so this is not the first country in the world to approve a COVID-19 vaccine (And before coming to contest this view, please provide scientific evidence that this vaccine is better and more efficient). I also don't think that the clarifications 'first Western country' and 'after large-scale testing' in the proposed blurbs make a lot of sense (yet the fact it's the first mRNA vaccine is noteworthy). Let's wait until the World Health Organisation approves its production and distribution, and then discuss posting it as the first widely approved vaccine. Nonetheless, this nomination is a timely warning that the banner should be updated with a link to COVID-19 vaccine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

A "strong oppose" carries no more weight than an "oppose." – Sca (talk)

@Sca: I know. But when you see that people continue to nominate COVID-related items for a blurb while the banner is still on the top and, more importantly, it can benefit from the nomination, you need to react somehow and that's a good sign to use an intensifier.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

We should rely on the sagacity of our comments to persuade our colleagues. "Strong" seems to imply an emotional commitment more than a reasoned argument, IMO. – Sca (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: the comment about it being the first in the West is a bit of a red herring, the point is it's the first that has completed clinical trials and been demonstrated to be effective. Modest Genius ^talk 15:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  It has not "completed trials", because otherwise it wouldn't have been given emergency authorization. Volunteers continue to be monitored, and its not like those in the placebo group are now authorized to take the full vaccine as the study has closed. Albertaont (talk) 15:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – In widespread RS coverage, the vaccine is generally referred to as "the vaccine from American drugmaker Pfizer and Germany’s BioNTech (AP) or simply "the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (Guardian). For Wikipedia's audience, there's no point in calling it "the BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine." Why force readers to follow a linked jargony acronym only to read in the first sentence that it's a vaccine "developed by BioNTech and Pfizer" – ?? This is pure techie obfuscation – and it doesn't read well either. – Sca (talk) 15:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  A rename or pipe to a more common / descriptive name would be pretty reasonable! Something like BNT162b2 -> the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine or a vaccine from Pfizer/BioNTech? — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support and/or Update banner As Kiril Simeonovski notes, there is no reason why we shouldn't have a link to COVID-19 vaccine in the banner since that is the main focus of news coverage at this stage. I'm not opposed to posting this story in lieu of that, however. Teemu08 (talk) 16:00, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to the COVID-19 vaccine link, just to the BNT162b2 one – which BTW makes a very clumsy title for an article.
– Sca (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I also thought that the article title is clumsy and not intuitive, but it turns out that is the convention per WP:NCMED: The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name that is most commonly used in recent, high-quality, English-language medical sources, rather than a lay term (unscientific or slang name).  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 20:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:IAR – Our loyalty should be to the readers, not to to the multifarious Rule Book. – Sca (talk) 23:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Update banner seems reasonable. Its one of the most popular pages on wiki right now, outside of temporary news. Albertaont (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Big news no matter how you look at it. It's a vaccine for one of the worst pandemics in human history, released in an extremely protracted time period.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I want to oppose based on the fact that no matter how we phrase the blurb it is necessarily going to sound like it's the UK making an important step, rather than being the quickest to rush emergency authorization of an international vaccine. Even without that fact, we can't have a blurb that sounds celebratory of a certain country/it's government. If we could update banner to highlight the vaccine, that would be suitable. I might bring it up at the portal whether to create a new box on the emergency use, too. Great news for a small part of the British population, though! Kingsif (talk) 20:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Update Banner and if not Oppose per Kingsif Thanks, Sixula^Talk 22:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Update Banner Covid news is supposed to be covered by banner, unless it's a major, major development. Gex4pls (talk) 01:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt 1. Well written article. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We have a banner for a reason. And if we are going top be blurbing about COVID (which has been avoided like the disease itself on here) make it generic (about vaccines, other advancements etc.) not about news specific to a country. Gotitbro (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Update banner – told you so. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Banner updated with link to COVID-19 vaccine — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

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Portal:Current events/2020 December 1

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(Posted) RD: Hugh Keays-Byrne

Article: Hugh Keays-Byrne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly, Deadline, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian actor. Played the main antagonist in Mad Max (1979) and Mad Max: Fury Road (2015). Joofjoof (talk) 21:39, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Clean and well referenced article, somewhere between a Start-class and a C-class biography, though Rater.js suggests B. Good to go to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Ross Anderson Jr.

Article: George Ross Anderson Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greenville News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American judge. I've expanded a bit and hopefully can get some more done - Dumelow (talk) 16:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is fine except for a single cn tag in there. @Dumelow: Please fix it. Gotitbro (talk) 02:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

  Support now. Gotitbro (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support @Gotitbro: I have fixed the CN tag. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maria Itkina

Article: Maria Itkina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Queen Athletics (Italian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Societ Olympic sprinter. I'm adding some stuff but article is OK - Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks okay to me. Gotitbro (talk) 12:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Article is start class or better. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Seems fine for RD JW 1961 Talk 21:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:48, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brian Kerr, Baron Kerr of Tonaghmore

Article: Brian Kerr, Baron Kerr of Tonaghmore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Armagh I
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recently retired Justice of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Not got time at the moment to improve it much but its in pretty good shape already - Dumelow (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Agree, its a short but well sourced piece that covers all his his roles JW 1961 Talk 22:39, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Good enough.--SirEdimon ^Dimmi!!! 01:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks okay to me. Gotitbro (talk) 02:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I don't like "Selected cases" and I don't like one of them not being linked/referenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Good point, there was no criteria for selection. I've removed the section and added those not mentioned in the text to "see also" - Dumelow (talk) 23:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:57, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Arecibo observatory

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Article: Arecibo Observatory (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Arecibo Observatory — for 50 years the world's largest single aperture radio telescope — collapsed. (Post)
News source(s): "Giant Arecibo radio telescope collapses in Puerto Rico". The Guardian. Associated Press. 1 December 2020. Retrieved 1 December 2020. Coto, DÁNICA (December 1, 2020). "Huge Puerto Rico radio telescope, already damaged, collapses". Associated Press. Retrieved December 1, 2020 – via Yahoo!.
Credits:

• Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bryan Derksen (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment didn't we already post the closure of this? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose it was closed because of the same issues that caused the collapse, and there was no reason to believe it would be saved. Ergo, the collapse is not sufficiently distinct from the closure decision to be posted as a separate item. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure that this was posted before? In any event, this is analogous to a death. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Closure was on ITN from 20 Nov to 25 Nov. Just answering the question, no opinion on adding a new blurb. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose We already posted this, so recently that I think it was the last blurb to roll off the main page. --Jayron32 17:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose (Yes we posted the decommissioning already). They knew that if this wasn't decommissioned in a controlled manner soon, it was going to collapse, the question of how disasterous the collapse. While this has destroys the dish and receiver, ending the telescope's "life", the damage from it was not as bad as they had feared (no injuries, some structural damage to remaining buildings), so while a sad event, I think most were already prepared back on Nov 19 when the decommissioning was announced. --Masem (t) 17:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: we posted that it was being decommissioned already. It was being decommissioned because it was old and on the verge of collapse. Now it collapsed. Not really unexpected or newsworthy.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 19:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per previous. Suggest snow. – Sca (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Chang'e 5 Landing

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Article: Chang'e 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chang'e 5 lands on the moon, becoming the first lunar sample-return mission since Luna 24 in 1976. (Post)
News source(s): (New York Times), (The Verge)
Credits:

• Nominated by Albertaont (talk · give credit)
• Created by Python eggs (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: WP:ITN/R per "arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations." Perhaps it was meant for arrival at lunar orbit, but landing also counts nonetheless. Albertaont (talk) 16:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose I think we want to affirm it returns to Earth, which should be in two weeks, IIRC. That would mark the successful mission. (It hasn't made the return so its not really a full sample-return mission yet). --Masem (t) 17:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. The spacecraft has not yet reached its destination, which is Earth. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  That's quite frankly ridiculous. If you go on holiday to X. Your holiday distination is X, not your home despite knowing you would be returning with souvenirs. -- KTC (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, it matches the ITNR, but the fact that its return would also be an ITNR means we'd probably want to wait for the latter since it will be very very soon. If this was a return-sample mission to Mars where the return would take several months, that would be different as we'd not have to worry about piggybacking stories on the same thing. --Masem (t) 18:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Hey, I tried to reduce the number of space exploration (wouldn't have affected this one) on ITNR, those that supported on here didn't comment, a number of those that commented objected to it there. They suggested that if people bothered to update the articles, it should be posted. So here we are, an article that has sufficient details, meets ITNR, so post it. -- KTC (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  It is not listed as ITNR on return to earth, only on reaching the moon. There is no ITNR for returning to earth in the criteria. Albertaont (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Don't be so obtuse. A destination is the end of a journey. I go on a journey to my holiday destination, at which point the journey is over. The trip home is a separate journey. Has Chang'e reached the end of its journey? No. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• GreatCaesarsGhost I can equally argue that Chang'e has reached the end of it's "first" journey but that's not what's important. What's important is whether this meets the ITNR criteria, and it does, when applying the criteria as it was intended. Also: the point of the mission is to go to the moon AND come back, NOT only coming back. Had Chang' e not landed on the moon, this mission would have been useless. 74.101.118.65 (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Correct - you could argue either way; my position is not "ridiculous" as another editor rudely opined. You say the distinction is unimportant because this is ITNR, but the distinction defines if it is ITNR. Given that the key objective of the mission is to return specimens, the return to Earth would seem to be plainly more significant than the craft reaching the moon. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:13, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• NPC, boys. – Sca (talk)

• Support - it's a spacecraft, it has arrived at a destination in lunar orbit and beyond, don't quickly see a problem with the article itself. -- KTC (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per KTC. Mjroots (talk) 18:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per KTC. It's a moon mission, not an Earth mission. 331dot (talk) 18:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support - notable space mission, regardless if it gets back to Earth or not.--CyclonicallyDeranged (talk) 19:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is an unmanned space probe. Success is defined by whether or not it is able to return samples to Earth. If it doesn't make it back to Earth, it's a failed mission and would get posted on ITN either way under ITN/R rules.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Success or failure of the mission is not part of the criteria of WP:ITN/R for spacecraft, if there was an intent to use it as a criteria, then it would be there already. The only mention of failure in the criteria is "launch failure" which this is clearly not. The criteria of arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) is very clearly stated. WP:ITN/R does not say a return to earth would qualify, only that it reaches lunar orbit or beyond. Albertaont (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I would actually go so far as to say that none of the existing ITN/R criteria cleanly cover this particular mission, particularly the "lunar orbit and beyond" criteria, mostly because a mission of this particular kind hasn't been done since the 1970s (predating Wikipedia, let alone ITN/R). The mission's goal is sample return and that should be when a posting is made.--WaltCip-(talk) 20:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
      • We have had a few comet missions which are also in sample return category, how were they treated? Might provide precedent. Albertaont (talk) 21:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
        • This is not a lunar crasher. The spacecraft made a soft landing which means the objective is to return with physical samples. WaltCip-(talk) 03:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support ITNR and article quality is good. 74.101.118.65 (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support An ITNR that a an aacceptable article JW 1961 Talk 22:43, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Same as the last nom for this. Are we going to post when it reaches (or fails to reach) Earth, yes?, then we needn't post the same thing multiple times. It might be ITNR but we can better use our own judgement here. On a side note is mentioning Luna in the blurb necessary/relevant? Gotitbro (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Finally, something worth putting up This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose While I'm all for posting science milestones, this specific mission is not complete yet, and I say we wait until the sample returns to earth. Gex4pls (talk) 04:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Wait. It returns in two weeks. When we post multiple blurbs about a single space mission, they are typically months or even years apart. --Tone 08:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  This exactly, posting multiple blurbs about the same thing in such close time-frames doesn't seem right. Gotitbro (talk) 13:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Don't count your chickens before they hatch. In any case, we posted OSIRIS-REx THREE times already and it doesn't even return until 2023. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Because the events are months/years apart. The only issue here is that if we post now, then by the usual ITN posting timing, a few days after this falls out from other stories being posted, the rocket will have returned to Earth and mark the successful end of mission and we'd want to post again. We can wait the couple weeks. If the return was a month out, I won't be as worried about the double post. --Masem (t) 14:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Masem, the oldest item now is from Nov. 23 (9 days ago). This is the slow season. It is likely that it won't roll off at all and we can simply update it. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  But what if it does roll off? Then people would want to readd it, and then we get to a situation like the Arecibo Observatory (where a second event that was known to be coming in a few weeks wasn't posted because it was expected). It is simply better to wait for the return to Earth at this point to minimize problems. --Masem (t) 15:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Waiting seems sensible, as returning to Earth is part of the mission.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support – This is ITNR and a major achievement. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Wait for sample return to Earth, which is only a fortnight away. That's the final destination of the mission - getting to the Moon is a major step along the way, but not the actual goal. I agree with Masem that we could have posted those stages separately if they were months or years apart, but it makes little sense when they're only a few days. See also the discussion a few days ago on the launch, where we agreed to wait for sample return. Modest Genius ^talk 15:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Wait – Per Modest, P-K3, et al. – Sca (talk) 15:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Wait - it seems preferable to report on it completing its successful mission. Obviously if something goes wrong before it returns to Earth, we would report that as well.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• To add, it has appeared to lifted off safely from the moon, so very extraordinary chance of not being able to complete the main mission by the 15th-16th. --Masem (t) 14:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support now it's only the 3rd successful lander since the 70s. The other two were also Chinese, but there have been more successful landings on Mars in the last decade alone. It's weird to see this bias on ITN. 2601:602:9200:1310:FC9F:418A:1BFE:3AE0 (talk) 20:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Mahara prison riot

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Articles: Mahara prison riot (talk · history · tag) and Mahara Prison (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Eight prison inmates were killed and 71 injured during a prison riot in Mahara in Sri Lanka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Deadly clashes between prisoners and police officials resulted in killing of eight prisoners at the Mahara Prison in Sri Lanka
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A deadly prison riot which has got adequate wide media coverage. Abishe (talk) 05:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I have done a full article CE. Coverage is global and the article is well composed and referenced. The lede is too long, and the parts dealing with the riot should be broken off into their own section. It is odd to find an article with only sections named Background and Aftermath. Perhaps Riot and fire is needed in between. A few details don't make sense to me; was the "fire from the Mahara fire" a secondary fire, and is "succumbed" used to mean "died" (the 8 prisoners) or "subdued" (in the whole prison population)? Will support once these are done.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose For now, too short ATM. Also this seems to be connected with COVID, which is being avoided for blurbs unless especially notable (the blurb should also reflect the COVID relation which is the reason for its coverage in news). Gotitbro (talk) 10:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Not widely covered in media, lede is much longer than body, among other general quality concerns with the article. Albertaont (talk) 02:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Not widely covered, article is not great This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is stubby, and event seems a bit too local for ITN (though if death toll rises past say, 30, I'd support) Gex4pls (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment While I agree that the article quality needs to improve, what's the objection to coverage? CNN (sourced from Reuters), Guardian (apparently independently sourced), and Al Jazeera (sourced from AFP). That's at least 5 sources representing 3 languages and 3 continents, just taking the links in the nom.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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November 30

Portal:Current events/2020 November 30

November 30, 2020 (2020-11-30) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War Al-Shabaab militants attack a military base in Baladweyne, Somalia, killing 21 people. Fifty-one militants also died during the attack. (Xinhua) Mali War Rocket attacks are carried out in three northern Malian cities – Gao, Kidal and Ménaka – against French military bases. No one is killed or injured. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility for the attacks. (Le Monde) Iraqi and local officials say a senior Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) commander and three others have been killed in a drone strike near the Iraq–Syria border. The identity of the commander and who conducted the airstrike is currently unknown. (Reuters) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom British retail tycoon Philip Green's Arcadia Group collapses into administration, putting over 13,000 jobs at risk and becoming the United Kingdom's biggest corporate casualty of the COVID-19 pandemic so far. Arcadia CEO Ian Grabiner blames the pandemic for the company's demise, saying "the obstacles we encountered were far too severe". (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in Canada COVID-19 pandemic in Alberta Alberta reports 1,733 new cases in the past 24 hours, a new single-day record since the pandemic began. (CBC) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Tennessee Tennessee reports a record 7,975 new cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the total of confirmed and probable case to 374,793. (WKRN-TV) COVID-19 pandemic in Illinois Illinois reports 6,190 cases, the lowest in the state since October 28. (WBBM-TV) Scott Atlas announces that he will resign from the White House Coronavirus Task Force. (The Washington Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Wales First Minister Mark Drakeford announces that bars, pubs, restaurants and cafes will be banned from serving alcohol and will have to close for dine-in customers at 6:00 p.m. GMT. Indoor entertainment and visitor attractions will also be closed beginning December 4. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia Croatia reports a record 74 new deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide death toll to 1,786. (Total Croatia News) Prime Minister Andrej Plenković tests positive for COVID-19. (RTVBN) COVID-19 pandemic in Turkey Turkey surpasses 500,000 total cases of COVID-19. (Anadolu Agency) In response to a rise in cases, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announces the most widespread restrictions in the country beginning tomorrow, including extending curfews to weeknights between 9:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. local time and total weekend lockdowns from 9:00 p.m. on Friday to 5:00 a.m. local time on Monday. Grocery stores and food delivery services are exempt from the lockdowns within certain hours. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece, Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic The Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority extends the travel restrictions until December 7 for domestic flights and December 14 for international flights in an attempt to reduce the second wave of the pandemic. (Ekathimerini) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Cambodia Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen bans wedding parties and gatherings of more than 20 people as part of measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19 after the country reported several cases of community transmission. (CNA) COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong The Hong Kong government announces that they will limit the number of people in a gathering to two, close venues such as mahjong parlours and swimming pools and ask most civil servants to work from home for two weeks beginning December 2. Ocean Park and Hong Kong Disneyland will also be closed. (The Straits Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Tokyo reports a monthly record of 9,857 cases in November, surpassing the previous record set in August. (Kyodo News) COVID-19 pandemic in Vietnam Vietnam reports its first locally transmitted case in 89 days. (The Sydney Morning Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil COVID-19 pandemic in São Paulo (state) The state of São Paulo imposes stricter social distancing measures with restrictions on opening hours and capacity limits for bars, restaurants and shopping malls as it attempts to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Victoria reports its first death in more than a month after a woman in her 70s who had been diagnosed with COVID-19 in September dies from complications. (9 News) COVID-19 vaccine Moderna announces that they will seek approval from the Food and Drug Administration and European regulators such as the European Medicines Agency for their potential vaccine after it showed a 94% effectiveness. (CBS News) 2020 H5N8 outbreak South Korea reports an outbreak of pathogenic H5N8 avian influenza at a farm in Jeongeup, North Jeolla Province, killing over 19,000 ducks. (Reuters) International relations Australia–China relations, Australia-Russia relations Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison demands an apology from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs after a spokesman tweeted a political cartoon of an Australian soldier killing an Afghan child in a post criticizing the Australian Defence Forces' recent war crimes in Afghanistan. (The Guardian) The Russian Foreign Ministry claimed Australian soldiers accused of war crimes would not be "held accountable” while Australia accuse Russia of "hypocrisy". (ABC) The Afghanistan Times welcomed China’s move to condemn and also react strongly over unlawful killings in Afghanistan. (Afghanistan Times) Israel–Saudi Arabia relations Saudi Arabia agrees to allow Israeli commercial flights to cross its airspace for the first time, following high-level talks between Saudi officials and White House senior adviser Jared Kushner. (Reuters) Law and crime Cannabis in the United States Cannabis in Arizona Arizona Proposition 207 comes into effect, making Arizona the 12th state to legalize recreational cannabis. (KSAZ-TV) 2019 Whakaari / White Island eruption The government of New Zealand announce that charges have been filed against organizations and individuals following a volcanic eruption at White Island that killed 22 people in December 2019. (The New York Times) Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on prisons, COVID-19 pandemic in Sri Lanka Officials say eight inmates were killed and 52 others injured after guards opened fire during a prison riot on Sunday in Mahara, Sri Lanka. The unrest was sparked by a surge of COVID-19 infections in Sri Lankan prisons. (AP) Slovenia formally declares Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah a terrorist organization. (The Jerusalem Post) Politics and elections Viktor Orbán surpasses Kálmán Tisza as the longest-serving Prime Minister of Hungary after 14 years and 145 days in office. (Index.hu) Science and technology November 2020 lunar eclipse A penumbral lunar eclipse occurs, with the full moon dimming slightly as it passes through the Earth's penumbral shadow. It is visible from most of North America, the Pacific Ocean, parts of East Asia, and New Zealand. (Space.com)

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(Posted) RD: Hella Brock

Article: Hella Brock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LVZ (in German subscription)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Musicologist, internationally known as Grieg scholar, 101. The article was basically there, translated in May, I just made an external link to a ref and added 2 obits. More may come. Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support. A decent article. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support, I added a few ISBN's looks good for RD JW 1961 Talk 23:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Irina Antonova

Article: Irina Antonova (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza (Russian edition)
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew_J.Kurbiko (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Added some references to the article, seems to have no major issues --Andrei (talk) 10:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Appears stubby, can do well with an ib and some expansion (see the ruwiki article). Gotitbro (talk) 10:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Added more text from Russian --Andrei (talk) 11:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Support Article looks fine now. @Andrew J.Kurbiko: Please also add an infobox to the article. Gotitbro (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  Added --Andrei (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose missing some citations and no mention in the article of her death. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Added more references --Andrei (talk) 12:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support The article is now much better. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Andrei can you add a sentence about her death if you have sources? should be good for RD when that is added. When that is done count this as Support JW 1961 Talk 21:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

  There is one already. Can you clarify what else is needed? --Andrei (talk) 23:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ben Bova

Article: Ben Bova (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tor.com, SFWA
Credits:

• Nominated by Eddie891 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Schazjmd (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Myself and Schazjmd worked to ud the page, they got the formal 'update' edit in Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support - looks in good enough shape to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not thrilled that for such a short bio, the biblography was previously shuffled off to a separate article. Yes, 100+ works is long, but I feel it would be better for that to be included in the bio page, and which would only need to add the necessary ISBNs for published works to complete referencing there. I won't oppose posting if that's not done here, but I just feel it's better overall if there's no reasonable way to expand the present article. --Masem (t) 01:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  I would say the exact opposite. Articles that are mostly bibliography, compared to the amount of text, are a eyesore, and this seems like a neat way to have resolved that issue, with a summary remaining at the parent. Few will be interested in that great long list of works, but for the few that are, they now have a page to visit.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support, a giant in his field. On the afternoon when the first images from the Viking 1 Mars lander were printed in the newspapers in 1976 I showed him a front page (he hadn't seen the TV relay). Bova immediately said "Looks like New Jersey". Randy Kryn (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks fine for an RD even without the bibliography. Gotitbro (talk) 03:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Posted - Dumelow (talk) 07:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

(Attention Needed) AlphaFold

Article: AlphaFold (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ DeepMind's AlphaFold achieves results in protein structure prediction comparable to laboratory determination techniques at CASP 2020 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ DeepMind's AlphaFold breaks a significant barrier in solving the protein folding problem; a grand challenge in computational biology.
Alternative blurb II: ​ DeepMind's AlphaFold AI breaks a significant barrier in solving the protein folding problem.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The AI program AlphaFold successfully doubles the accuracy of computationally-predicted protein folding
News source(s): Nature New Scientist The Times Science Bloomberg Economist CASP press release Guardian BBC NY Times DeepMind blog
Credits:

• Nominated by Jheald (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ktin (talk · give credit) and Jheald (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article on DeepMind's Alpha Fold needs a lot of development, but this looks like a very big deal.
John Moult, organiser of CASP: "This is an enormous breakthrough. A 50-year-old grand challenge in computer science has been to a large degree solved." (Times). Andrei Lupas: "It’s a game changer. This will change medicine. It will change research. It will change bioengineering. It will change everything." (Nature). Venki Ramakrishnan 'said the achievement was stunning. “It has occurred decades before many people in the field would have predicted... it will fundamentally change biological research." (Times) The Times has been running this as top story on its website. Jheald (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Comment. I wrote up a little bit about AlphaFold which you can use as the target article. It is currently a start-class article, but, will definitely require someone more knowledgeable to help expand before it can get to homepage levels. I can lend a hand later tonight. Edits and expansion to the article is completed. Article has shaped up well to a C-class article. I feel pretty good about it. Now, if folks can hash out news-readiness and the blurb, I think this is good to go :) Ktin (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - Can we get a source from a reputable science journal that's NOT some pop science press release bullshit? If it's as groundbreaking as the scientists say it is, then they can get a peer reviewer to state that.--WaltCip-(talk) 20:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• @WaltCip: Nature and Science are pretty much the top of the tree, as science news reporting goes. Venki Ramakrishnan is President of the Royal Society, a structural molecular biologist himself with a Nobel prize to prove it, and unaffiliated to both DeepMind and the competition. What speaks for AlphaFold are its results -- see eg the schematic from the article in Science for a sense of the degree to which AlphaFold has scored way better than has ever been achieved before, and done it across the full range of hundred or so structures that entrants were asked to try to solve. Also impressive is Lupas's testimony of how he gave AlphaFold one more sequence, which his team had been trying to understand for 10 years. Half an hour later came back a structure, which explained all the data they had been struggling with. The CASP conference continues until Thursday, so expect more comment and information and assesment to come. Automated structure prediction really has been seen as the 'holy grail' of structural biology for 50 years. CASP is a reputable competition and collaborative conference, the benchmark in the field, which has witnessed steady but slow improvements for 20 years. But this year AlphaFold has "annihilated" the challenges. That is why this news is getting such a reaction. Jheald (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Notability seems there, but the blurb needs some tweaking to be more understandable.  Nixinova   T   C   22:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• Yeah, it's ελληνική to me. – Sca (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• Added. Nixinova and Sca, please see if Altblurb and Altblurb2 are helpful :) Ktin (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• I've changed the link in the alt-blurbs from protein folding problem to protein folding, as the latter gives a better general way in. Jheald (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Clearly notable for an encyclopedia. I'd prefer the first blurb. --bender235 (talk) 00:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support on article quality + significance but I yearn for a slightly more usable blurb (even with alt2). Its unfortunate these problems aren't as famous as the various math challenges where we could just name and point to them. But that's my only issue otherwise, article's been improved when I first peaked at it. --Masem (t) 01:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support a variant of alt 2.  Nixinova   T   C   03:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb The original one that is. The target article could use some multimedia and expansion but is okayish. Gotitbro (talk) 04:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support Big scientific news. I think Alt-2 is the best option. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I won't oppose this, but we should be clear that this is a rather incremental improvement. It is marginally more accurate (against a curated database of empirical data) than previous computational approaches, while still not being able to solve all of the problems in the curated database, and certainly not all problems that arise outside of curation. The lede in the article gets this point across, but the blurb should do so as well, in a way that doesn't just handwave terms like "significant barrier".130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

No. This builds on what has gone before, but it is more than just an "incremental improvement". Understand the scoring system here. 2018's score of 45 means that 45% of atoms were in more-or-less the right place. Which meant that 55% weren't. Which meant the 2018 predictions weren't accurate enough to be biologically useful. In contrast a score of 85-90 means that all but 10 to 15% of atoms are placed just where they should be. (And some of that remaining 10-15% may not have a stable position - in reality it may be a bit that flaps about). AlphaFold 2 is predicting structures accurately and robustly enough (and with well-calibrated estimates of local confidence), that its predictions are reliable enough to meaningfully understand the biological structure of the protein. That has never been consistently achieved before -- and AlphaFold is managing this across the full range of sequences it was presented with (with, as I understand it, just a single exception in the whole of the CASP test set). This is beyond a tipping point, it is revolutionary. In context: 90% position accuracy on this metric is as good as you can get from structures 'solved' with the best available experimental data. (For which people win prizes). And AlphaFold 2 is consistent achieving this, or getting damn close, across the board. Jheald (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

People win those prizes because they are doing something truely novel: they are solving previously unknown structures. This is solving a subset of those already-solved structures, again, in the hopes that it might one day solve an unknown structure. The field has moved onto complex interactions and macrocomplexes, and single molecule folding has become a purely academic interest. Which isn't bad or disqualifying, it will have impacts regarding time and scale of certain projects, but "revolutionary" it is not. I have added an altblurb to reflect the meat and bones of the current news.130.233.3.185 (talk) 09:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

The algorithm didn't know the structures had been solved, nor did it use any of the information from those solutions. The whole point of the CASP test set is that it is designed to be a typical cross-section of proteins that is representative of proteins for which we have sequence data but no 3d structure. So solving a CASP protein is expected to be as difficult as solving a typical unknown sequence. Currently there are 200 million known protein sequences, with 30 million new sequences being added every year, compared to about 170,000 proteins with known structures. Typically it currently takes an entire PhD to solve one sequence, if you can get the experiments to work and if you can get the protein to crystallise and if you can make sense of the results - none of which are guaranteed. There was a protein (without a known structure) that Lupas's team gave as an 'extra' to AlphaFold, that they had been trying to understand for ten years. AlphaFold came back with a prediction that they were able to confirm explained their experimental data, and which they were able to tweak in 30 minutes to give a final structure. So AlphaFold has in fact already been used to solve completely unknown proteins. Yes, of course one wants to know the proteins interact with other molecules, how they function as molecular machines. But getting a structure is an essential prerequisite for this -- it is anything but a "purely academic interest".

Secondly to say that AlphaFold has "successfully doubled the accuracy of computationally-predicted protein folding" is to profoundly misinterpret the significance of what the AlphaFlow team has achieved. More relevant is that they have reduced the mismatch between the prediction and what experiment can reliably determine from almost half the protein to between nought and five percent. That is a step forward of truly huge significance. Previously predictions were not reliable or precise enough to inform biological understanding of the protein. Now, on the strength of the CASP competition results, they are. That is a sea change, as well as an extraordinary intellectual achievement. Jheald (talk) 12:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per IP above. It sounds like the popular press has over-blown the significance of this. If Alt3 is correct, then it doesn't look like the sort of major breakthrough that would warrant ITN. Also, none of the Hooks give any indication of why this is important, to a nonspecialist.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

  Amakuru, definitely respect your views. But, as a layperson, this is how I read it. Proteins -- linear structures of amino acids -- fold into 3D shapes and structures -- which eventually what causes them to express themselves and have the intended effects -- good / bad etc. So, for biologists to explore drug discovery / disease research etc -- they need the final structure that proteins take shape. But, the only way currently to do it accurately is via laboratory examinations. These lab examinations -- are time consuming and expensive. So, computational algorithms can do that. But, until now their accuracy levels were not up there. Now, accuracy levels have reached upwards of a score of 90 (lets say 90% just for this conversation, though there are some more nuances). Now suddenly, the algorithms become valuable as a way to determine these protein structures sans experimentation (x-ray crystallography etc.). So, the barrier between when algorithms become accurate enough to be truly valuable has been breached. Hence, this is important.

  PS: The above explanation is quite simplistic. But, this is the gist of what I have learnt as a layperson. Ktin (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not an expert in AI or protein folding, but I know enough to realise that this is a major advance if the claims are true, definitely worth an ITN blurb. The issue is whether now is the right moment. I'm a bit hesitant that the researchers haven't published their results in a peer-reviewed paper, which is usually our threshold for science stories, but I suppose they were part of the community annual testing process so have at least had some scrutiny by experts. However they haven't publicly described the methods used yet, or released the algorithm. It's undeniably in the news now though. I'm therefore torn and refraining from !voting. Modest Genius ^talk 12:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
  • PS. If we do post this, the blurb should link to Protein structure prediction, which is specifically about the computational problem, not protein folding which is about the natural process. Modest Genius ^talk 15:13, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Obscure and arcane. It may be significant, but will be understood only by a specialized niche audience. Most readers won't have a clue about what "protein folding" is, much less what this development may signify. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Front page of The Times newspaper this morning with photo [1], plus two inside pages and leader. Do they really have such a higher opinion of their readers than we do of ours? And aren't encyclopedias here to inform people? Jheald (talk) 13:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see it here at the moment. Anyway, the hoi polloi don't read The Times of London. – Sca (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Pardon my French, but this is an asinine argument. Protein folding is the premier problem in computational biology. People unaware of its significance or implications can read the respective articles. As I wrote above, this achievement is clearly relevant for an encyclopedia, just as gravitational wave detection or the black hole image was before (both of which we featured on ITN). The number of readers who at the time knew what a gravitational wave was was probably hardly bigger than the ones you suspect knowing of protein folding now. --bender235 (talk) 05:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support Most scientific discovery is incremental. To the extent that we ever see advancement quickly enough to qualify here, this nom is as good as it gets. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Amakuru. Also, the body of the article hasn't been updated properly beside a small 3-line paragraph about the, uhh, "breakthrough". Also, also, I've also counted 7 yays and 4 nays as of right now, with nays becoming more frequent as time goes by, so I'm removing the ready tag for now. CoronaOneLove (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@CoronaOneLove: we're not counting votes on Wikipedia. The embarrassingly uninformed statements of people unaware of the significance of this breakthrough can be safely ignored. This is easily the most important methodological discovery in biology since CRISPR gene editing a decade ago (and which won a Nobel just this year). --bender235 (talk) 04:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Yet again, CRISPR and others win prizes because what they are doing is novel. This is partially solving, to a better degree than previously, already-solved problems. It's an extended machine learning training. I have a nearly-full career of "we've finally solved the protein folding problem" behind me; I don't make uninformed statements here, so you can kindly unstrike my alt blurb relating to the mathematical scoring of this competition.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Calling this merely an "improvement on an already-solved problem" is like saying AlphaGo beating Lee Sedol was only slightly better than beating a random 6-yr old at Go. And your claim isn't even plausible. If achieving 92% accuracy was that easy, why hasn't it occurred in the past 26 years of CASP already? --bender235 (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support per above. This is a major breakthrough with huge implications to all bio-related sciences. This is akin in significance to CRISPR (which won the noble prize, and which was posted). Also, all the blurbs have links too, and links are meant to be read. 74.101.118.65 (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Equivalent to a press release. Absolute support once peer-review comes out. Albertaont (talk) 04:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Albertaont:. Please, notice that this is more than a press release. The results have been shown during the CASP meeting, solving previous unknown protein foldings with 90% accuracy. Even, an unknown folding, that a research group has been battling for ten years, has been solved as an "extrawork". All the results has been "peer reviewed", in a way by the jury, formed by top field experts. Also, this groundbreaking work is already In the news, as in Nature and Science, etc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: how long does it take to sort this thing out? This is getting embarrassing for Wikipedia. --bender235 (talk) 17:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Agreeing with bender235 here. Everything else for November 30th has already been posted - how has one of the most important scientific advancements since the discovery of CRISPR not been posted yet? -- Glencoe2004 (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Maybe we could ping to some biology related administrators, as @Keilana, TimVickers, Protonk, Evercat, and Vanamonde93: Could you please, take a look at this ITN proposal ? Thanks. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support: Protein folding is far from my specialty but that said, this is a huge breakthrough that has implications for every branch of the life sciences, especially medicine. The computational challenge of protein folding has hindered advancement in a myriad of fields for years and winning CASP is newsworthy in and of itself, imo. Keilana (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Another comment: a week later and still no decision? What in the world is going on here? What an embarrassment. --bender235 (talk) 20:06, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

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