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Aurora borealis seen from Southern England A series of solar storms impact Earth, creating aurorae (pictured) at lower latitudes than usual. Former prime minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for attempting to pervert the course of justice. Mahamat Déby is declared the winner of the Chadian presidential election. Flooding in Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil, leaves more than 110 people dead and at least 140 others missing. Kyren Wilson wins the World Snooker Championship. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Myanmar civil war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline War in Sudan timeline Recent deaths: Yvonne Mokgoro Sean Burroughs César Luis Menotti Colleen Barrett Jimmy Johnson Ignatius Jones view — page history — related changes — edit

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August 6

Portal:Current events/2020 August 6

August 6, 2020 (2020-08-06) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen, Saudi Arabian–Yemeni border conflict Saudi state news agency SPA says Saudi Armed Forces shot down an explosive-laden drone launched against Saudi territory from Al Hudaydah Governorate, on Yemen's Red Sea coast. The Houthis report a Saudi air strike on Saada Governorate. (Reuters) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic The Philippine economy falls into recession for the first time in 29 years after the economy shrank by 16.5% in the April to June quarter from the same period last year, which is the biggest slump in the government's quarterly GDP data dating back to 1981. (CNA) China–United States trade war Invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, U.S. President Donald Trump issues several executive orders barring firms and American citizens from trading and doing financial transactions with Chinese technology companies ByteDance and Tencent, effectively banning their respective apps TikTok and WeChat within the United States. The orders are set to go into effect in 45 days. (Reuters) Trump tariffs Trump implements a tariff of 10% on aluminum imports from Canada, pursuant to Section 232 of the US Trade Expansion Act. The United States previously imposed tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum in 2018 citing national security concerns, before removing them last year as part of the USCMA Free Trade Agreement. Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau vows "dollar-for-dollar" countermeasures. (CBC) Disasters and accidents 2020 Beirut explosions, 2019–2020 Lebanese protests Security forces fired tear gas to disperse dozens of anti-government protesters in Beirut calling for the Lebanese government's resignation near the parliament building. Several people were wounded in the clashes. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Germany The Robert Koch Institute reports 1,045 new cases in Germany during the last 24 hours. It is the first time since May 7 that the number of new COVID-19 cases in the country has surpassed 1,000. (The New Indian Express) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland reports a record 726 new cases during the last 24 hours, and the government will impose limits on restaurants, sporting events, public transport and weddings in 19 of its 380 counties as of Saturday, August 8. (Bloomberg) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports 1,318 new COVID-19 cases during the last 24 hours, a record high for a second consecutive day. (UNIAN) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India India reports 904 new COVID-19 deaths in the last 24 hours, which is the largest number of fatalities in a single-day as new cases reach 56,000. (Jagran English) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Philippines reports 3,561 new COVID-19 cases on which inching the total tally closer to 120,000 and causing the country to overtake Indonesia as the Southeast Asian nation with the most number of infections. (Rappler) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Melbourne enters Stage 4 lockdown, which is Australia's toughest lockdown yet, following a spike of COVID-19 cases within the city and surrounding Victoria. (France24) International relations Belarus–United States relations, 2020 Belarusian presidential election Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko says security forces have arrested "a number of" U.S. citizens, just days before the country goes to the polls for a presidential election. In the speech, Lukashenko claims Belarus is the victim of a "hybrid war", and that "we should expect dirty tricks from any side". (Reuters) Egypt–Greece relations Egypt and Greece sign a bilateral agreement which establishes a new exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the Eastern Mediterranean between the two countries. The agreement prompts anger from Turkey, with the Turkish Foreign Ministry describing the deal as "null and void". (Ekathimerini) (Anadolu Agency) Law and crime Canada–China relations A court in China sentences a Canadian man to death on drug charges. His alleged accomplice receives life imprisonment. Police had confiscated 120 kilograms (266 pounds) of ketamine from the defendant's home. He is the third Canadian citizen to receive the death sentence for drug smuggling since Canadian authorities arrested Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou in late 2018 on an extradition request from the United States. (AP) Two security alerts are triggered in Belfast aimed at the newly formed East Belfast GAA team. The bomb threats are later deemed as hoaxes aiming to destabilize the team which is aiming to bring together both sides of the political divide. (BBC News) Former Saudi Ministry of the Interior official Saad bin Khalid Al Jabry accuses Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of attempting to assassinate him in Canada, where he currently lives in exile, two weeks after the assassination of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The would-be assassins, believed to be the Tiger Squad, were stopped at Toronto Pearson International Airport after Canadian border officials became suspicious of them following interviews. (BBC News) Politics and elections Mauritanian President Mohamed Ould Ghazouani appoints public administrator Mohamed Ould Bilal as Prime Minister after the government of previous Prime Minister Ismail Ould Bedde Ould Cheikh Sidiya resigned hours earlier. (Al Jazeera) Minister of Defense of Peru Walter Martos is named the new Prime Minister after the approval of the motion of no-confidence against Pedro Cateriano. (Expreso) Science and technology Twitter says it will label state media, official government accounts and their staff. State-funded media outlets with "editorial independence", such as the National Public Radio in the U.S., or BBC in the UK, will not be among those labelled, according to a spokesman for the social media site. (Reuters)

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(Posted) Ram Mandir, Ayodhya

Article: Ram Mandir, Ayodhya (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ram Temple construction officially starts after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi performs the ground-breaking ceremony (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After it was first proposed in the 1980s, construction of the controversial Ram Mandir, Ayodhya temple begins in India, attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ram Temple construction officially starts after Prime Minister Narendra Modi lays the foundation stone.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In India, construction of the Ram Temple on disputed land officially begins with Prime Minister Narendra Modi laying the cornerstone.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ *Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi begins the groundwork of the Lord Ram temple at the disputed site which was the former location of the demolished Babri Masjid.
News source(s): (ALT Blurb II sources: CNN, Hindustan Times)
Credits:

• Nominated by Titodutta (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Adding background/context, as requested in the comment section below: The temple construction started on 5 August 2020 in Ayodhya. It was followed by decades of legal and other battles. This is a very major and significant event in India and in the subcontinent. Time (magazine) has explained in an article why it matters. Deccan Herald prepared a note with 10 key facts. To know more about how it unfolded over the years, kindly read this The Times of India article.
Please feel free to suggest alternative blurbs. Titodutta (talk) 03:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This is not an area I know much about, would the nominator (@Titodutta:) be able to give some context about why starting construction of a building is significant in this case? Kingsif (talk) 04:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Greetings, I have added comments above. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks! Kingsif (talk) 05:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support in principle. From the links provided above, this is receiving international attention as a prominent and controversial religious matter that has spanned at least the last 30 years just about this temple, let alone the site it's on. Modi's attendance adds to the story. I haven't judged the article, yet, so this !vote could change if it's in poor condition. Kingsif (talk) 05:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• leaning Oppose - we did already post this story, when the supreme Court made the decision to allow the temple last November. [1] [2] So in effect this is just another development in the same story, much like the spacecraft returning to earth after earlier launching. Unless I'm missing something?  — Amakuru (talk) 07:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• leaning Support with a better blurb. Has shown up on ITN within the last year, but the Ayodhya dispute is an 80+ year saga that's had enormous ramifications on Indian society and politics. Its generally credited with kick-starting the now-dominant Bharatiya Janata Party for one thing. Given the length of time between events it doesn't seem unreasonable to mention again. --RaiderAspect (talk) 08:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Major event in one of the greatest controversies in Indian history and society. I recommend linking to Ayodhya dispute in the blurb to provide context for unfamiliar readers. This is at least equally significant to the court decision we posted last year. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 09:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support, per Bzweebl. A better blurb is needed, however.—Brigade Piron (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support and added another blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 10:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt III. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This seems similar to the Hagia Sophia story which wasn't posted. If this has already been posted once then giving it more exposure again so soon seems premature. The ceremony in this case seems mainly to have been a photo-op for Modi and doesn't seem to be getting much attention outside India. Better to wait until the temple is completed and officially opened when there will be an actual building to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Davidson "Because x didn't get it, y shouldn't too" has been established to be an INVALID arguement. If you are going to oppose this, you're going to have to look at it on its own. Dantheanimator (talk) 15:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Amakuru this was posted last fall. The "ground breaking" is ceremonial. Nominate again when it's complete. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - As per above supports. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article states that construction has been underway for four months, so this ceremony does seem like a photo op rather than a substantial step. That doesn't seem major enough to post the same story twice. Furthermore, if the dispute over this temple has had widespread impacts, it really isn't obvious from the article. Modest Genius ^talk 12:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks ok. I'm not a Hindu but this seems to have some importance in the faith so in that way it is significant. (Hinduism is 1 of the 5 major religions of the world). Dantheanimator (talk) 15:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Neither the article nor any of the blurbs succeed in explaining the event's significance. Alt0 and Alt2 don't even pretend to. —Cryptic 15:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - with Altblurb 4 that explains the events broader context. It is getting global coverage outside of India. The date chosen seem to have been the anniversary of the revocation of autonomy of Jammu and Kashmir, but that could be a coincidence.Albertaont (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment This is ready to be posted. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Went with Alt 3, which IMHO explain significance best. --Jayron32 18:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment For those questioning the significance of this, my understanding from past reading on the dispute is that this is THE most important symbolic flashpoint of Hindu-Muslim tensions in India. The section in the bolded article on the ground-breaking ceremony should give a sense on how big a deal it was in the context of the overall controversy. The ceremony was broadcast and celebrated by Hindus all over the world. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:09, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting feedback on blurb: Is it right to say "disputed", once the Supreme court gave its final verdict on this matter in November of 2019? My thinking is that prior to this time, it would be alright to say "disputed", but, post the supreme court verdict, we should not be using the phrase "disputed". Also, in perhaps a minor point, we might want to reconsider starting with "In India". This brings up the systemic geographic bias that was being discussed yesterday, and gives the impression that the center of our universe is somewhere in the western world. E.g. we didn't start the post about the Spanish king by saying, "In Spain, ...". I know getting consensus on a blurb is a challenging one, but, AltBlurb2 remains the most neutral. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 19:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
  • As the person who (mainly) wrote the blurb on the page, a) the Supreme Court case did not change that this is still the flashpoint of strained Hindu-Muslim relations, and b) we said that Juan Carlos was the "King of Spain" in the blurb, thereby providing geographical context, and given that most people in the Western world (this is the English Wikipedia, after all) are not privy to this dispute, adding "In India" is a brief yet effective way to provide needed geographic context. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Regarding a), I have added my notes below to Jayron32's comment. Regarding b), sure, please do what is best. I agree with you that whatever conveys the message in a succinct manner and with brevity, should be done. But, on a minor point, we should just be aware of our biases when we say "in the Western World (this is the English Wikipedia, after all)" -- ~87% of the Wikipedia traffic from India is to the English Wikipedia (source). So, the western world can not be the only preserve of the English Wikipedia, or vice versa. But, to give you the benefit of doubt, only ~10% of all Wikipedia traffic comes from India. So, maybe that is driving your thinking. Cool either ways. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 20:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Per John M Wolfson, the dispute exists whether or not any legal conclusion was reached. The end of the dispute happens when there is no longer a significant dispute from opposition groups. The groups who were opposed to the temple construction still do, and the dispute is itself what makes this a major news event. Places of worship are under construction all over the world all the time, what makes this one newsworthy is that this one has been the source of tension in one of the world's largest nations. --Jayron32 19:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Will let you guys decide the appropriate wording. You might know this better than me. But, "disputed" seems wrong, particularly when the it took the courts 28 years to end the dispute by providing a resolution. Now, will some parties to the dispute be aggrieved at the end of a verdict, perhaps yes, but, the whole reason a verdict was announced was to close a dispute, so to speak. Re: the second point, sure, please do what is best. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 19:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
      • I'm not particularly tied to one word in particular, if you have a word that better encapsulates the controversy without using "dispute", I'm open to changing it. I'm just not smart enough to think of one myself. --Jayron32 19:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Also, I read this once more - the blurb clearly says building "on disputed land", I don't think the law would allow you to build on disputed land. If somoene were to do that, they would be breaking the law, and we don't want to be implying that the folks who are building are breaking the law. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

August 5

Portal:Current events/2020 August 5

August 5, 2020 (2020-08-05) (Wednesday) Arts and culture Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi begins the groundwork of the Lord Ram temple at the disputed site in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, which was the former location of the demolished Babri Masjid. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia The Indonesian economy contracts 5.32% in second quarter of 2020, amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. It is the worst economic contraction in the country since the first quarter of 1999. (Kompas) Disasters and accidents 2020 Beirut explosions The death toll from the explosions in the Port of Beirut rises to 135 people, with more than 5,000 injured and dozens still missing. (Al Jazeera) In response to the explosions, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon delays the pronouncement of the verdict in the criminal case concerning the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafic Hariri from August 7 to August 18. (Reuters) Several Beirut port officials are placed under house arrest as an investigation starts into how 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate was left unsecured at a warehouse at the port for six years. (ITV) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record high of 1,271 new COVID-19 cases and 24 deaths in the last 24 hours, according to statement from National Security and Defense Council. (The New York Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Spain reports 1,772 new cases of COVID-19 infection in the last 24 hours, which is the highest number since nationwide state of emergency was lifted in June. (The New York Times) COVID-19 pandemic in France France reports 1,695 new cases in the last 24 hours, which is the highest number since the end of May. The seven-day moving average stood above the 1,300 threshold for the first time since the end of April. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Queensland declares all of New South Wales and Australian Capital Territory to be COVID-19 hotspots and will close its border with both regions on Saturday August 8 at 1 a.m. (AEST). (9 News) Victoria reports 725 new COVID-19 cases and 15 deaths in the last 24 hours. It is the highest number of reported cases and the deadliest day since the pandemic started in the state itself and Australia in general. (The Age) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Aichi Prefecture declares its own state of emergency after the number of COVID-19 cases tops 100 after nine consecutive days. The state of emergency will be enforced for 19 days until August 24. (The Asahi Shimbun) COVID-19 pandemic in United States Twitter restricts President Donald Trump's campaign from tweeting after its account shared a video of Trump's interview with Fox News in which he said children are "almost immune" to COVID-19. (CNN) Law and crime Capital punishment in Iran Iran executes a man for killing a member of the Revolutionary Guards during anti-government unrest in 2017. His execution was carried out as a retribution sentence demanded by the victim's family. (Reuters) Former Guatemalan Economic Minister Acisclo Valladares Urruela is charged by American prosecutors for laundering US$10 million on behalf of drug traffickers, and using the profits to bribe officials back home. (Reuters) Zhang Yuhuan is acquitted of murdering two boys in October 1993 and freed after serving 27 years in prison in Jiangxi as China's longest-serving wrongfully convicted inmate. The killer of the boys remains unknown. (BBC) Politics and elections 2020 Sri Lankan parliamentary election Sri Lanka holds parliamentary elections after the parliament was dissolved by president Gotabaya Rajapaksa in March. Originally scheduled to be held in April, the election was postponed twice due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. (The Guardian) Croatia–Serbia relations Croatia marks the 25th anniversary of Operation Storm, a military victory against the proto-state of Serbian Krajina that ended the Croatian War of Independence. The ceremony in the town of Knin, former capital of Serbian Krajina, was for the first time ever attended by an ethnic Serb political representative, Deputy Prime Minister Boris Milošević. (Al Jazeera) Taiwan–United States relations, China–United States relations United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar travels to Taiwan for a multi-day official visit. He is the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit the country in 40 years after the U.S. stopped recognising Taiwan in 1979 and has had unofficial ties since then. The PRC, which claims Taiwan as a breakaway province, condemns the visit. (Reuters) Vanuatu's former prime minister, Charlot Salwai, is referred to the Supreme Court to stand trial for alleged corruption. His lawyer says he is confident they will win the case. (RNZ) Science and technology Artemis program SpaceX Starship prototype SN5 successfully carries out a 150-meter (490 ft) flight test at the SpaceX South Texas Launch Site. (BBC News) Google shuts down 2,500 channels on its video sharing platform YouTube that were linked to Chinese disinformation. The channels generally posted "spammy, non-political content", but a small subset touched on politics, the company said. (Reuters) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports 2020 NCAA Division I FBS football season The University of Connecticut cancels its 2020 football season, becoming the first NCAA Division I FBS school to scrap its 2020 season. (UConn Huskies) (ESPN)

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RD: Hawa Abdi

Article: Hawa Abdi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 15:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pete Hamill

Article: Pete Hamill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support pretty decently referenced article JW 1961 Talk 12:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Commment Fails MOS:ROLEBIO, listing everything but the kitchen sink in the lead sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 13:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

  I got rid of "educator".[3] The rest might arguably be notable enough to stay.—Bagumba (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Well-referenced, looks ready.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this is ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted --Jayron32 18:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Hurricane Isaias

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Hurricane Isaias (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Isaias brings causes significant damage along the East Coast of the United States, spawning at least 10 tornadoes in an outbreak and killing 13+. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Isaias makes landfall in North Carolina and causes significant damage in much of the eastern United States.
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ChessEric (talk · give credit), Destroyeraa (talk · give credit) and Dough4872 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 ~ Destroyeraa (talk

• Support in the news, thorough article, and storm during storm season does storm things is an established pattern here. Also deaths. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  WP:POINT. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support For me a hurricane that causes significant impact to millions and leads to 10+ deaths is enough to post. Article is already in good shape. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle -- Question for folks who might know -- the article is worded "Hurricane Isaias was a category 1 hurricane" -- is that because the worst of the hurricane is behind us now? Also, is there a thumb-rule in this group about a category threshold above which a hurricane is relevant to be posted on ITN? E.g. Category 3 and beyond. I am assuming not. Ktin (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ktin: Damage repairs and estimates are still ongoing. For second question: ni, only if it is notable and causes significant damage/kills people.~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 20:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The hurricane itself is done. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks folks @InedibleHulk: and @Destroyeraa:. Hope everyone in the NE is safe. Ktin (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose not even the deadliest storm of this season. Standard weather with a standard outcome. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Which one is the deadliest storm of this season? We should definitely post that one :) Ktin (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Cristobal. Not even sure it got nominated. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Seems like we missed it. We should not miss this one. Ktin (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

It was missed because it was non-notable, just like this. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Very Interesting. Is there a numerical threshold to being 'notable'? Ktin (talk) 20:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Well history tells us that around 30 to 40 deaths is the usual threshold for such storms to be considered worthwhile posting (I've only gone back as far as 2015 mind you). Setting the bar this low on a hurricane season would literally open the door to monthly postings of regular weather patterns in the US which fade away almost immediately. Perhaps we could add a new line to ITN during hurricane season in the US alone to publish all the various storms there for our audience. In the meantime, floods in India and China with far more impact on much less-developed countries are routinely dismissed as "standard weather for this time of year". Double standards anyone? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Pacific typhoon season has caused 6 fatalities all year. China hasn't been hard hit by typhoons recently, there only having 1 fatality from that country in 2020.

2020 China floods were posted to ongoing last month for 11 days with no opposition.

2020 Assam floods weren't posted because the article wasn't updated enough. (It still is!) Only IndelibleInk opposed based on importance grounds. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, and that's just this year. How many over the last five years ridiculed and objected to through systemic bias? Yet people support this trivial storm, the like of which happens several times per year in one isolated part of the world? Amazing. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Howard. This is good to know. So, seems like with all of this, we should go ahead with posting this one. Let's move forward. Also, at the risk of stating the obvious, I do not think we should trivialize the less developed countries and their suffering as "standard time of the year". I am onboard that we should be posting those in a timely manner. Ktin (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Yep. Typhoon Jebi (2018) killed 17 surely non-Caucasians and was posted. Good work, Wikipedia! Howard the Duck (talk) 21:16, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

That is outstanding research. Meantime in 2019 there were something like eight notable floods in India alone with death tolls in excess of 50, none of which were posted, most of which weren't nominated. Let's just run a US weather ticker under the Covid banner, that's much easier than all this silly debate. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Without wishing to get into the debate above about deaths, as not every significant tropical cyclone causes a significant amount of deaths. We are currently trying to examine the way forward with meteorology articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Meteorology and User talk:Jason Rees/Flood articles. Comments are welcome while suggestions are vital.Jason Rees (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Agree with Ktin. Cristobal didnt get posted bc we didnt know it caused 15 deaths till laye July! Always thought it caused only 5. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 20:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. 13 deaths and affected 6 countries of Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland and New York. We post ITNR entries that affect far less than 6 countries. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Sadly a relatively trivial number of people killed and infrastructure affected in almost all of those "countries". More people have been killed in the US by mass shootings in the same amount of time Isaias has been trundling along. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Those are states, not countries. Affected more than 6 countries - Dominica, Trinidad+Tobago, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, US, Grenada, Britain (territories). ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 20:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Sorry. Those were Easter eggs linking to actual countries affected by this natural disaster. Even the queen's realms (plural!) were affected. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Technically, the United States are 51 sovereign states, hence the name. And only seven people have died in mass shootings this month, from just six counties (encapsulating Mulholland Drive). There was one in a federal district, most recently, everyone lived. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Exactly! 7 is 6 less than 13. The Rambling Man, you can keep Rambling about how it's not notable and that 13 deaths are nothing. This is notable. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 22:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't follow you at all, but please stop trying to canvass votes. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

And sure, mass shootings in August in the US amount to seven dead, but it's only 4 August. More than 60 in July. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(I clarified here, but it was destroyed, now TRM's pissed, so forget it. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2020 (UTC))

Um, if you mean "upset" then no, I'm just saying people killed in mass shootings in August (it's the 4th) nearly equates to the death toll here. And if you meant "drunk" then also no. I don't think your comment is very helpful at all and I'd urge you to strike it/explain it/apologise for a borderline NPA. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose If death and destruction are what's hot, and the hotter one wasn't, this one's not. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This was already nominated on Aug 1. Posting it then might have been sensible but it has dissipated now. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson: If it needs to be backdated, so be it. It's still more recent than the two 7/26 blurbs. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  It would make sense if it was a truly notable storm. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support After all, it did damage a lot of structures (and injure people) in the East Coast.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If it weren't going on after a whole lot of buildings (and people) were blown right away in Beirut, it'd be impressive; timing matters in the news. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. While 13 deaths and loss of property etc is certainly tragic, it seems like that is not at the level which it would make sense to post, bearing in mind the frequency of expected events at that level. As an aside, re "Setting the bar this low on a hurricane season would literally open the door to monthly postings", I'm curious where this door is, which will be literally opened if we're not careful? Might be worth putting anotbet padlock on it.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

If you don't mind my asking. What is that 'level' where it would make sense to post? Re: your latter question, I am tagging The Rambling Man to give you the location of that door. Ktin (talk) 22:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Standard door, it's got "systemic bias" just above the knocker. Cheers Ktin! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

oh, that door. I know it well, and I've seen many people going through it in the past. It has a big red warning sign on it but is still left wide open for all to pass through.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I think on this one, I am on the same page as you The Rambling Man. However, the way to fix it is not to oppose everything else, but, instead when we see systemic bias denying an action for a under-represented region, we should speak up. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 22:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment and now the canvassing begins. Honestly. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as thankfully it was not a devastating hurricane as can be seen by the relatively low number of deaths and people losing power rather than losing everything. P-K3 (talk) 22:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – How much damage is 'signficant,' and how does this hurricane rate on a scale of 1-10 compared to other hurricanes in this regard? (Personally, I find most weather news inherently boring.) – Sca (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  It's a "3 out of 10" based on my reading of the last six years of this hurricane season thing. This is relatively trivial even in the context of hurricanes, let alone the context of global encyclopedic events (such as Beirut). Posting this would be a sublime kowtow to systemic bias. But Donald the Orange would be happy to see the US winning again, while pointing to some graphs he knows literally nothing about! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, the article is in good shape, but in the grand scheme of things this is just a low-grade hurricane, which makes notability and systemic bias concerns certainly valid. Titoxd^(?!?) 22:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just look at what else is in the news. Half of the capital city of Lebanon has been destroyed by an explosion. A (former) king goes into exile! That would be huge news two centuries ago. Guyana now has a clear winner, five months after its election. (I really hope that doesn't happen to US's election ._.) And then an $11 billion scandal that took down a prime minister of Malaysia. All of these are major historic events. Isaias was a deadly storm, it spawned several tornadoes, and brought the strongest winds to large parts of the northeastern United States. Perhaps the power outage, as millions of people are without power. In June, Cyclone Nisarga left about 2.5 million people without power (more than Isaias), but it wasn't on ITN (as far as I know). Isaias doesn't seem like the kind of historic storm that the world has gotten used to in the past few decades. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Good analysis. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Don't forgot the literal, actual bus plunge we posted just last month. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, the one where 21 people died in a flash in a under-developed country as opposed to where 13 people died in "the greatest country on earth" from typical weather. Bravo. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Well you bot the greatest country on earth bit right anyway --LaserLegs (talk) 22:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Certainly the greatest at killing its citizens with an orange leader advocating the use drugs which actively exacerbates Covid-19 deaths? You're welcome to it!!!! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  And "you bot"... you couldn't make it up! Like the CIA are trying to convert Wikipedia into their vessel! Brilliant. I go to bed a happy man, thanks LaseLegs, always up for it! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Ha, your country thinks seven o' clock is bedtime! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  What the actual fuck are you talking about?! Come back when you have something meaningful (and/or accurate) to say!! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Given that it's currently 00:27 in the UK, that seems quite reasonable. What time do you sleep over there in the good 'ol USA? Black Kite (talk) 23:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  It was supposed to be a lighthearted time zone joke. I'm Canadian. But fine, I'll kill myself, sheesh (no, not really). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Yes it is quite a burden having the most powerful, most important country in the world where the inept flailing of our leader demands international attention. There was a time when the inept leader of Great Britain would have demanded international attention but alas, the sun has set on that era. Too bad. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Ah, Trump is literally in a league of his own. And then you have Brazil's Bolsonaro. Our bonkers PM is way down on the list. Meanwhile the US is "winningest" at dead people from Covid and it's getting much much worse. "Mask debate" sounds like "masturbate" when y'all say it too. Brilliant. My life is nearly complete! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Just close this discussion bc the consensus is clearly against me. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 22:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I was running against the wind. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Seems like we are trending toward yet another "Unable to reach consensus" closure. This is not bad in and of itself. Speaks to the vibrancy of our debates. But, sometimes we should remind ourselves that this is "In the news" and not "In the olds" and show some bias to action. After all this section is not a "This day in history!". Cheers folks. Ktin (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Nice thought, but given this has been nominated twice, it's been tortuous and unnecessary. Probably worth knowing when a dead duck is a dead duck. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see this in any news outside of the US. Doesn't seem like a very deadly or notable storm. Albertaont (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Not even close to the biggest story in the US. 160,000 dead from COVID now, is it? Black Kite (talk) 23:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This actually ended up being less of a story than I was expecting, which I suppose is probably for the better. Pie3141527182 (talk) 00:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The impact of the storm in the Caribbean was mild enough to not post then, and in the US and Canada... a few COVID-19 testing centers closed (something which couldn't happen at any other time). Basically, it rained heavily for half a day in a few states. Suggest close based on the strong opposes above and the fact it's not a story, it's a minor weather pattern. Storms just exist, only their effects really give notability over other wind, and this had none. Kingsif (talk) 00:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

August 4

Portal:Current events/2020 August 4

August 4, 2020 (2020-08-04) (Tuesday) Business and economy Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on airlines UK-based airline Virgin Atlantic declares itself bankrupt and files for Chapter 15 bankruptcy protection in New York amid a decline in international flights during the COVID-19 pandemic. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2020 Beirut explosions Several explosions in the port of Beirut, Lebanon, kill more than 70 people, injure more than 4,000 others and send shock waves that damage homes as far as 10 kilometers (6 miles) away. Prime Minister Hassan Diab, whose wife and daughter are among the injured, declares Wednesday a national day of mourning. The shockwave was felt in a few nearby countries. (BBC News) Finnish diplomats confirm that Finland's Embassy in Beirut, located 2km from the port, has been "destroyed". No Finnish casualties are known at this time, according to Deputy Ambassador Aki Kauppinen. Prime Minister Sanna Marin confirmed the embassy premises have been "badly damaged". (Newsnow Finland) Heavy rains cause floods and landslides in Gapyeong, South Korea, killing at least 14 people and forcing the evacuation of more than 1,000. The rains have also battered China, Thailand, India and Myanmar. Neighboring North Korea warns of possible floods, while the New Zealand government reports the deaths of three of its citizens in the South Korean floods. (Reuters) Searchers have located the United States Marine Corps Assault Amphibious Vehicle that sank near San Clemente Island, off the coast of Southern California, on 30 July 2020. Eight Marines and one sailor of the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit from Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, San Diego County died in the "ship-to-shore" training exercise. Recovery efforts will begin by the end of the week. (NBC San Diego) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Philippines posts a single-day Southeast Asian record, with 6,352 new COVID-19 cases reported in the last 24 hours, as well as 11 deaths. More than 66,000 people have recovered. (The Straits Times) (Manila Bulletin) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland reports a single-day record of 680 new cases in the last 24 hours, as well as six deaths. More than a third are in the southern Silesia region, largely amongst coal miners. (Voice of America) Law and crime The Supreme Court of Justice of Colombia, in a unanimous decision, orders former President Álvaro Uribe to be placed under house arrest, claiming he may obstruct justice for his fraud and witness tampering case. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 Thai protests Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha asks people "not to create chaos at this time" as protests grow amid demands to rewrite the constitution, dissolve parliament, hold new elections and reform the monarchy. (Reuters) Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa calls his opponents "terrorists" and vows to continue a crackdown on them. In recent days, several opposition members and activists have been arrested and human rights groups allege that security forces are conducting illegal abductions. Former Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf posted a tweet in favor of the opposition. (Al Jazeera) The Congress of the Republic of Peru votes 54–37 no confidence against Prime Minister Pedro Cateriano, forcing all 19 government ministers to resign. President Martín Vizcarra has 48 hours to form a new cabinet. (Reuters)

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RD: FBG Duck

Article: FBG Duck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, New York Post, BBC, Billboard, Pitchfork
Credits:

• Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 —Collin^{t c} 00:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Someone mentioned a dead duck in the section above this one, and now, tragically, here's an actual dead duck. Anyway, the article text is 1118 bytes so it's pretty much a stub right now, it'll need to get above 1500 at least. A couple of unreferwnced claims in there too. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 06:56, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose For now also as plenty of unreferenced sentences and the whole discography section JW 1961 Talk 12:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not only is this a stub, it was only moved to article space after they were killed [5]. They only released one EP and most of the references in the article are about the shooting. I don't think this person passes WP:BLP1E or WP:BAND. Modest Genius ^talk 12:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

RD: Daisy Coleman

Article: Daisy Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News,BBC News,New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 TJMSmith (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I don't know enough about this tragedy really to pass comment on this nomination other than to question if this individual really surpasses WP:BLP1E. I note her article used to redirect to the documentary about her and that was changed an hour ago. An AFD for her article in 2017 suggested her article redirect to Audrie & Daisy and I'm not sure I'm seeing any compelling evidence about Coleman in the intervening time to suggest she warrants a standalone article. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Fair point. Coleman is the subject of her assault, and the aforementioned documentary, plus her untimely death is generating additional significant coverage. I think she meets WP:BASIC. TJMSmith (talk) 23:08, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support per TJMSmith, there is significant ongoing coverage that predates the documentary. The AFD is uninformative as there was no actual "article" at the time. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 Beirut port explosions

Article: 2020 Beirut port explosions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A pair of large explosions cause extensive damage in Beirut (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of explosions in Beirut, Lebanon kills over ten people, and causes extensive damage over the city
News source(s): BBC Reuters, AP, Al Jazeera, dpa (Eng.)
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Prad Nelluru (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Breaking news Andrew🐉(talk) 16:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait till the cause is known. Also needs a map, background and reactions sections. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Massive explosion heard 250 km away in Cyprus. Count Iblis (talk) 16:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait for more details to emerge. From the videos being reported, this is a very big explosion and certainly seems significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. However there is very little reliable information available yet and the article is very short. Give it a few hours. Modest Genius ^talk 17:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Very clearly the most notable event of the day. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 17:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Notable, widely covered in reliable sources. Article is being rapidly expanded, but that's to be expected, and it's semi-protected, so vandalism will be mitigated. Ganesha811 (talk) 17:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait a few hours. Article is still a stub and there are few details available yet.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Exteremly Important situation, being covered across multiple online sources, along multiple videos of the explosion(s) and continued coverage. –NicoARicoA (talk) 17:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Sky News showing several buildings have collapsed. Death toll likely to be much higher than 10. Significant event and ITN worthy. Article is fully referenced and will be expanded as info comes to hand. Mjroots (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Sky ITN said that the explosion may have been on board a ship. We may need to consider a blurb with the explosion and ship if that is the case. Mjroots (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Top headline in major news sources, helped by existence of several incendiary videos. Article is a stub only due to lack of available information and will likely see significant expansion throughout the day. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Might have to word the blurb appropriately or be ready to update the blurb a couple of times as more news comes available. Not sure what the guidelines about that are, in this group. Ktin (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support It will be a long time before cause is established, it doesn't make sense to wait for that. Mvolz (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support Big boom in Beirut is definitely gonna be in the headlines for days. Eternal Shadow Talk
• Support - The blurb will need update(s), but, considering how big the media coverage and how notable the event is, I don't support waiting for more details before sending it to the main page. Ahmad^talk 17:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - The images coming out of Beirut seem to be showing a much bigger magnitude then what offical reports are showing. This is going to dominate headlines for at least two days in the world. Albertkaloo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support – in principle, but wait until extent of casualties becomes clearer. (Al Jazeera says 100s wounded.) – Sca (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 18:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article is detailed enough, well referenced, and the topic is being covered by news sources appropriately. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 18:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Premature. ITN isn't a breaking news site. – Sca (talk) 18:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Sca, I count 13 "supports" and a "strong support". The three "waits" came when the article was a stub, but it has been expanded since then. We have a quality (enough) article with references and the subject is quite literally "in the news" all over the world. What more do you need? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Extent of casualties, and if available fairly soon something on the cause or perp. (Again, ITN is a fixture of an online encyclopedia, not a news site per se. NYT at 18:30 said "the extent of casualties was unknown.") – Sca (talk) 18:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Aye, where and when are not enough (even that's approximated). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Did someone suggest that we shouldn't add that information when it is known? I don't see anyone arguing we shouldn't? --Jayron32 18:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Here we go again. That's not the point, and Jay knows it. – Sca (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

No, the point is that other people who are not you thought differently than you, and they had the consensus. That happens sometimes. Wikipedia does not do things solely on your say. --Jayron32 19:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

My point on Tuesday was that at the time of posting, insufficient information was available to answer the most salient of the "five W" questions. Thus, posting then was premature. My point had nothing to do with those who expressed support for posting at that time. Honest people may differ. – Sca (talk) 13:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Post-posting support - In service to our readers, how could we not point to today's most important story? "ITN isn't a breaking news site" as a rationale for holding back is not rooted in policy. -- Fuzheado | Talk 21:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment no issues with posting this, but the blurb must mention the deaths. That's the headline, not "extensive damage". Mentioning property and buildings but not casualties is a terrible optic IMHO.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support. It is the headline around the world, with countries pledging international aid and EU assembling its emergency workers. The magnitude of this explosion is not your "run of the mill" explosion. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 16:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

August 3

Portal:Current events/2020 August 3

August 3, 2020 (2020-08-03) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan August 2020 Afghanistan attacks Jalalabad prison attack The military retake a prison in Jalalabad, Nangarhar that came under attack yesterday by ISIL, resulting in a mass jailbreak and shootout between Afghan forces and jihadists that ended today. At least 29 people are killed and 50 injured, among them civilians, prisoners, guards and Afghan security forces. (AP) Israeli–Syrian ceasefire line incidents during the Syrian Civil War, Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War Israeli Air Force helicopters strike Syrian military observation posts, intelligence collection systems, anti-aircraft batteries and command-and-control bases in Quneitra Governorate, in response to yesterday's incident along the Purple Line border fence in the Golan Heights, in which four militants were killed after attempting to plant an IED where Israeli soldiers patrol. (Reuters) Arts and culture Pope Benedict's official biographer, Peter Seewald, reports former pope is "very frail" since his return from visiting his older brother, Msgr. Georg Ratzinger, in Bavaria. His personal secretary, Archbishop George Ganswein, states "the health conditions are not of particular concern, except for those of a 93 year old who is going through a painful, but not serious, disease." (CNA/EWTN News) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Isaias Isaias regains hurricane strength with maximum winds of 75 mph (120 km/h) after leaving 2-4 inches of precipitation and causing minor power outages along the Florida coast. The storm is moving north-northeast at 16 mph (26 km/h), and is expected to make landfall in eastern North Carolina early Tuesday and then continue along the Mid-Atlantic coast heading toward the northeastern states. The storm surge will cause normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded with rising waters before moving inland. (NPR) (National Hurricane Center) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Victorian premier Daniel Andrews orders the temporary closure of many businesses and retail stores in Melbourne under stage four lockdown restrictions for six weeks to contain the spread of COVID-19 in Victoria. Only essential services such as supermarkets, food stores, liquor shops, petrol stations, pharmacies, convenience stores, and other essentials can remain open. (9 News) COVID-19 pandemic in Iran BBC News reports that the number of deaths and confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Iran are about three times higher than what was reported by the government, according to a data leak. (BBC News) (Business Insider) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Catalonia exceeds 100,000 COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic. (La Vanguardia) COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil Brazil's Chief of Staff of the Presidency Walter Souza Braga Netto tests positive for COVID-19. (Reuters) International relations North Korea and weapons of mass destruction A leaked UN Security Council Sanctions Committee on North Korea report says several states believe North Korea has "probably developed miniaturized nuclear devices to fit into the warheads of its ballistic missiles". (Reuters) Law and crime Internet censorship in Thailand Thailand's digital minister threatens action against Facebook for not complying with the government request to restrict content that is illegal in the country, including insults of King Vajiralongkorn. Facebook responded by disabling English-to-Thai automatic translations. (Reuters) Monarchy of Spain, Corruption in Spain The Spanish Royal Household announces that Emeritus King Juan Carlos I has informed King Felipe VI that he is leaving the country motivated by "the public repercussion that certain past events are generating". His finances are being judicially investigated by a Swiss judge and the Spanish Prosecutor's Office for alleged financial dealings from Haramain high-speed railway construction and his accounts in tax havens. (El Mundo) (The Washington Post) (BBC News) Killing of George Floyd Newly leaked bodycam footage shows George Floyd pleading with police officers not to lock him up in a police vehicle, as well as saying that he is claustrophobic. (NBC News) Authorities announce the arrest of a 48-year-old man two days earlier in San Antonio, Texas, US, for threatening to commit a mass shooting at Fort Hood in retaliation for the killing of Vanessa Guillén there in April. He is being charged with making terroristic threats. (San Antonio Express-News) Politics and elections 2020 United States presidential election Postal voting in the United States President Donald Trump vows to sue Nevada over legislation signed by Governor Steve Sisolak that, amid the COVID-19 pandemic, requires election officials to send all active, registered voters a mail-in ballot ahead of the November election. This also would apply to any others that happen in the wake of a statewide emergency or disaster directive. (Reuters) (AP via ABC News) Donald Trump says he has the right to issue an executive order on mail-in voting but has not done so yet. (Reuters) Lebanese Foreign Minister Nassif Hitti resigns over the government's slow pace at reforms, warning the country is at risk of becoming a failed state. Diplomatic affairs advisor Charbel Wehbe takes his place. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Two anonymous sources confirm to Reuters that the classified United Kingdom–United States trade documents leaked ahead of the UK parliamentary election last year was caused by Russian hacking of the email account of former UK International Trade Secretary Liam Fox. They declined to name which Russian group or organisation they believed was responsible, but said the attack bore the hallmarks of a government-backed operation. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Shirley Ann Grau

Article: Shirley Ann Grau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; The Times-Picayune/The New Orleans Advocate
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:24, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Only 2 kb of prose, but references all check out and are diverse, 'ography is complete, and notability is well established.130.233.3.21 (talk) 09:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - looks good JW 1961 Talk 19:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Short but satisfactory. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Punjab alcohol poisoning

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2020 Punjab alcohol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over a hundred people die due to alcohol poisoning in Punjab, India. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Invisible Lad (talk · give credit)
• Created by MKar (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Solo Samaritan (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A decent article about a tragic incident with a significant no. of deaths. Invisible Lad (talk) 17:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose (for now) per stubby article.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 18:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • There's barely any expansion for this article within the past 2–3 hours.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 20:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Already getting stale. – Sca (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: A search through the archives show that 2 similar items nominated were not of sufficient quality for posting; the one that was posted: 2016 Irkutsk mass methanol poisoning. Spencer^T•C 19:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is too short and does not provide enough information, and is rightly tagged as a stub. Also, it appears the main part of the story, the inquiry and raids that took place, occurred on July 30 and August 1, and even going with the later date, would make this the second oldest blurb and would like roll off too fast to make it worth it. Given that the article is not good enough, and that the story is stale at this time, I don't think this is worth posting. If this had been a more extensive article, and had been nominated back on July 30 or August 1 when the most recent events occurred, I would have supported it. --Jayron32 19:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose but as noted per Jayron32, on its stubiness and staleness. This otherwise would have been an appropriate story (why I'm adding here just in case) for an ITN. --Masem (t) 19:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We missed the boat on this one. Should have been picked up in the late July news cycle but didn't, so now stale. Albertaont (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Reni Santoni

Article: Reni Santoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter; Variety
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support all looks ok to go JW 1961 Talk 19:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Resume in prose format; minimal depth of coverage at present about the subject's acting career besides a list of roles and films. Spencer^T•C 19:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer: Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• WO struck. Still a little too "bare bones" for me to support, but I have no reason to oppose either. Spencer^T•C 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Stephen and Amakuru: I think this is ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Thin but fine. I am surprised to find that Rotten Tomatoes is explicitly NOT WP:USERG, when checking the uncredited appearances. Aren't users able to add/remove credits over there?130.233.3.21 (talk) 09:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now if what the IP says is true. Are Rotten Tomatoes filmographies user generated? If so we need to find a better source for his "uncredited" role in The Pawnbroker, it doesn't matter whether WP:USERG explicitly mentions it or not. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: No, they are not user-generated. Here is what WP:USERG says: "Although review aggregators (such as Rotten Tomatoes) may be reliable, their audience ratings based on the reviews of their users are not." This article does not use Rotten Tomatoes to verify audience ratings. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

  Is there anywhere that confirms that the filmography sections on the site are generated by the site's editors and not by users? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Yes, their Help Desk says under "Edit requests": "Tell us about missing or incorrect movie or TV information by submitting a request via our Email Form." And even if that wasn't the case, ref 6 (from TV Guide) provides a back up. I've also added an extra source from Variety for good measure. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Posted. Good stuff, thanks for the quick turnaround and responses, Bloom6132. All good now.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ralph Barbieri

Article: Ralph Barbieri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle; The Mercury News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this is ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: I would say this is almost there, but could use a couple sentences about the The Razor and Mr. T program itself (outside of being about sports, there's no description of the program, which is what the subject is notable for). Spencer^T•C 14:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer: Done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 19:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Juan Carlos I of Spain

Article: Juan Carlos I of Spain (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Spanish Royal Household communicates that Emeritus King Juan Carlos I (pictured) is leaving the country due to his involving in financial scandals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Spain's Emeritus King Juan Carlos I (pictured) leaves the country to reside abroad due to his involvement in financial scandals.
News source(s): (The Guardian), AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The latest scandals of possible corruption by the King Emeritus have been featured on the news in Spain almost every day. This decision has shaken the country as he's the king who was key in the transition to democracy and the modernization of the country. Equally interesting is the simile of his grandfather's exile in 1931 when the Second Republic was proclaimed. But I'm interested to know what international impact / interest this can have and if it have place in ITN. Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Big news, making international headlines. Update to the article is sufficient DUE coverage. Kingsif (talk) 21:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait This seems like the ongoing saga of the British Royals such as Prince Andrew, Prince Harry, Prince Philip, &c. who have all had to step down in some way recently. There is lots of press coverage of anything connected with royalty so ITN has to be fairly choosy to avoid seeming like Hello magazine. Rather than the Daily Mail, we need to see what serious papers like The Economist are saying about this. Here's their account of the matter. According to them, Juan Carlos fell from grace in 2012 and so the issue now seems to be an ongoing one of the status of the monarchy in Spain. It's what happens to the current King Felipe which seems to matter most so we should perhaps wait for some development at that level. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Interesting reading in the Guardian report and I would say it would by worthy of ITN, but I would suggest it would be best to wait until King Juan Carlos actually does leave Spain. JW 1961 Talk 21:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• per Bzweebl comment, changing to Support JW 1961 Talk 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Former sovereign of a major European country leaving in disgraced exile is definitely worthy of ITN. Is highly unusual and of general encyclopedic interest. Albertaont (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support- Unusual to see the exile of a transformative former world leader in a very highly developed country. Re Joseywales1961, a spokesperson said he has already left the country. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Eighty-two-year-old Spanish ex-monarch chooses exile due to allegations of financial chicanery a decade ago. Fairly widely in the news, but not readily apparent that it's widely significant. – Sca (talk) 22:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support 39 years or so as monarch of Spain, notable. Article needs a bit more work as a BLP, but otherwise it's alright. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support I agree with the others. An exile of a former monarch is not something frequently seen. Additionally, it appears to be a headline news in the media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support A former and once very popular King, who was forced to abdicate and is now going into de-facto exile, is significant news. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I have added a possible more specific altblurb. The word "leaves", taken by itself, it too generic and may indicate a temporary trip, which apparently is not the case here. Nsk92 (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support altblurb for brevity and accessibility. BLP is fine, and the one CN is confusing; if it is contesting that Carlos praised Franco then it is absurd on it's face, if it is contesting "positive changes" then it is merely an expression of the editor's opinion of "positive", and not the content or intent of the praise.130.233.3.21 (talk) 07:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - per Kiril Simeonovski. Mjroots (talk) 07:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article looks fine. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. He has not been head of state for more than half a decade, and has chosen to leave Spain rather than being exiled. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted per the consensus above. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Post-Posting Comment The voluntary exile of a nominal king seems more like a vacation, or at most, a permanent relocation in retirement (if he wants). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • A powerless figure head king when the president of the government exercises actual authority over the country --LaserLegs (talk) 12:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  Even the president only goes so far, off-paper, it takes thousands of people to actually run a country of millions. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  And in Spain, none of those people are called "King" --LaserLegs (talk) 13:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  A few are called "Reyes", though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  Yep, but the real king is his nipper. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  Felipe Reyes says hi. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  Haha. And he's the Real Madrid Captain. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this seems rather trivial at first glance, but the universal support makes me thinking I'm missing some nuance. A sitting head of government fleeing prosecution is one thing, but a former royal figurehead moving to avoid mere criticism is another. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Hume

Article: John Hume (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize winner. Article needs work... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support satis. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 10:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support I added the missing ISBN's, looks satisfactory JW 1961 Talk 10:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - SchroCat (talk) 13:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good to go. Modest Genius ^talk 13:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted —valereee (talk) 13:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Iran COVID-19 cover-up

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic in Iran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In data leaked to the BBC, it is revealed that the Iranian government covered up tens of thousands of COVID-19 deaths in its public reports. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Distributing information from a data leak, the BBC reveals a government cover-up of COVID-19 deaths in Iran, with the country's first death occurring almost a month before it even reported a case of infection.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Minor update, working on it. I know it's COVID-19 and there's a box for that... but this is a major scandal either way. Kingsif (talk) 03:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose COVID-19 banner is that-a-way. --Masem (t) 04:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Also far too early in the coverage of this to call it a "scandal". Just like the reported Chinese geocide, we need authoritative groups to verify and decide what actions are appropriate here, not the press making the call. --Masem (t) 04:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
    • I think the fact it's been reported in such detail means there's a scandal whatever happens. Kingsif (talk) 04:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Most countries have failed to record or report COVID deaths accurately. Sometimes it's deliberate spin, sometimes it's just down to expedience, sometimes they just don't know. Picking on Iran for this does not seem fair and we're unlikely to have reliable data about the truth, whatever that is. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose basically per the same reason as Andrew. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 2

Portal:Current events/2020 August 2

August 2, 2020 (2020-08-02) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Boko Haram insurgency Nguetchewe attack Suspected Boko Haram militants attack an IDP camp with a grenade in Far North, Cameroon, killing 16 people and wounding six others. (Reuters) Business and economy Syrian civil war The Syrian government condemns a deal signed between Delta Crescent Energy, a U.S. oil firm and Kurdish rebels of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to manage the Kurdish-controlled northeastern oil fields. The statement says the deal is "stealing" Syrian crude. On Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. is supportive of the deal. (Reuters) (Oil Price) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Isaias A tropical storm with maximum sustained winds of 65 mph (100 km/h), Isaias is less than a mile off the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on Florida's Atlantic Coast, moving north-northwest at about 8 mph (13 km/h). Tropical storm warnings have been issued as far north as Surf City, North Carolina. (Orlando Sentinel) (National Hurricane Center) Earlier this week, one man was killed in the Dominican Republic, when a power line fell on his horse, killing both the rider and the animal, and a woman was killed in Puerto Rican flooding while crossing a bridge. The storm has resulted in uprooted trees, destroyed crops and homes, and widespread flooding and small landslides. (The Weather Channel) Apple Fire Nearly 8,000 people are evacuated from the town of Cherry Valley, California, United States, due to a growing wildfire. The Apple Fire has burned over 20,500 acres and is five percent contained. (USA Today) The United States Marine Corps, Navy, and Coast Guard halt a massive search and rescue operation for seven Marines and Navy sailors who went missing on Thursday off the coast of San Clemente Island in California. All the missing are now presumed dead. (USA Today) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India India's Minister of Home Affairs, Amit Shah, tests positive for COVID-19 and is admitted to hospital. (Al Arabiya) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte reimposes modified enhanced community quarantine (MECQ), one of the strictest lockdown measures on Metro Manila and the surrounding provinces of the Philippine capital for 15 days. (Rappler) COVID-19 pandemic in Thailand, COVID-19 pandemic in Hawaii A military spokesman says that plans to undertake joint military exercises with the U.S. military have been suspended after nine Thai soldiers who returned from Hawaii tested positive for COVID-19. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia, COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns Victorian premier Daniel Andrews declares a state of disaster across the state and imposed stage 4 lockdown in Metropolitan Melbourne. The new measures include nighttime curfew, which will be implemented across Melbourne from 20:00 to 05:00 (AEST). The restrictions comes into effect at 18:00 (6 p.m.) and last until September 13. (BBC News) The rest of Victoria places under stage three restrictions and will take effect on August 6. (ABC News Australia) COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships At least 40 passengers and crew from the MS Roald Amundsen cruise ship test positive for COVID-19 after two recent Arctic voyages. Health authorities are trying to trace other passengers that may be infected. (Reuters) International relations Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on international relations, Iran–United Arab Emirates relations In rare talks, Emirati Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif held a video call to discuss various regional issues, including combating COVID-19 in their respective countries. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Mexican Drug War Guanajuato state officials announce that Mexican security forces captured former Santa Rosa de Lima Cartel leader José Antonio Yépez Ortiz alongside five other people. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections George Floyd protests George Floyd protests in Portland, Oregon Hundreds of people gather and protest in Portland, Oregon, marking the 66th night of protests in the city. (CNN) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accuses the media of instigating anti-corruption protests against him and downplaying incidents of violence by the protesters. Earlier in the day, the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court ordered his son Yair to take down a Tweet doxing the leaders of the protests. (Times of Israel) (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Crew Dragon Endeavour makes its first splashdown after successfully completing the Crew Dragon Demo-2 mission. (Space.com)

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(Posted) RD: Leon Fleisher

Article: Leon Fleisher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/arts/music/leon-fleisher-dead.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Zingarese (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Discography section needs refs, but I own all of his recordings and can say the information in that section is 100% accurate. Zingarese talk · contribs 12:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Discography completely referenced and rest of article is well-referenced. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  Thank you. I didn't reference the recordings, so added Grimes2 to updaters, and noticed more helpers. That's great, because when I saw the article today, quotes were unreferenced, and the lead not even saying a word about his teaching. This was an iconic pianist, with the most unusual career, 50 years practically playing only one hand! Why do pop stars get featured articles at age twentysome, and such a great person such a poor thing when he dies?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

They don't like to be called "pop stars" anymore, they insist we address them as our "influencers". And yeah, who can argue with the Wikipedian results? They're selling something right, even if it takes them six to eight hands to produce a single melody. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment "Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences" needs ref. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  Just done. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 13:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kamal Rani Varun

Article: Kamal Rani Varun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)
• Updated by LéKashmiriSocialiste (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 DTM (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine to me. - Poydoo can talk and edit 17:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 Guyanese general election

Article: 2020 Guyanese general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After five months of court challenges by the ruling alliance, the opposition PPP/C party is declared the winner of the 2020 Guyanese general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After five months of court challenges to the Guyanese general election, the People's Progressive Party led by Irfaan Ali is declared the winner.
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EmilePersaud (talk · give credit) and Aréat (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Notable for the extreme delay between the election date (March 2) and the official result (August 2). At least the result has been accepted for now. Joofjoof (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support in principle the story seems "extraordinary" enough. I haven't looked at the article so cannot vouch for its quality. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 13:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is ITNR, even if delayed. The article could use clean up but the prose is there and the sourcing is there. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support altblurb and I agree this qualifies under ITNR anyway (final results). The article is well referenced and seems to explain the very messy situation well enough. Modest Genius ^talk 16:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support' This is a rather close election with controversial results. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 17:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support- several of my major news sources of choice had been covering this in the run-up and aftermath as a particularly consequential election, and the article update is sufficient. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support ITN/R but also an interesting case, with good updates. One cn tag in the whole article that I could see, but not at a key point. Kingsif (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support There was a special story to this one, and also good form to cover results of general elections. Albertaont (talk) 21:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. A few cites to fix up, then after that it's good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Resolved. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks OK now. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) British Grand Prix

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Article: 2020 British Grand Prix (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Despite tyre failure at the finish, Lewis Hamilton (pictured) wins the British Grand Prix for a record seventh time. (Post)
News source(s): The Times; BBC; Hindustan Times; Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by SSSB (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 5225C (talk · give credit) and Jestal50 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Lewis Hamilton winning is not news so he's now doing it on just three wheels!

• Oppose utterly trivial. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Suggest speedy closure What on earth are you thinking about? Unnamelessness (talk) 09:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• It appears that Unnamelessness is a Ferrari fan. Sebastian Vettel came in 10th place, "Something doesn't stack up." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, Sure, I am a Ferrari fan, so I have no right to comment here? Because Floyd is black, he has no right to breathe? Wikipedia is not a fandom; neither WP:ITN/R item. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Lewis Hamilton is black and has been making quite a big deal about BLM and that's part of the coverage now too. For example, Lewis Hamilton says Formula One is not taking racism seriously. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, I know, but that doesn't change the fact that this is NOT an ITN/R item. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• None of the current blurbs are ITN/R. R does not stand for rigid requirement. We can and do list other stories too. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, now you are doing it for the sake of it. Other stuff exists is not a reason; it is an excuse. Unnamelessness (talk) 10:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per TRM. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose not on ITN/R; nice record, but better suited for DYK (especially with the flat tire). – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• I'm working on something else for that but DYK is over-subscribed currently and so has to rotate every 12 hours to keep up with the volume. That's over a hundred articles every week, whereas ITN has had the same three blurbs for all of the last week. And the oldest of the three has been there for two weeks now. ITN is now quite dead. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• I don't disagree with you on those counts, but that is neither an argument against this being appropriate for DYK nor for this being appropriate for ITN. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 10:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• For the fifth time, try making a proposal for change instead of flogging the horse. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. We'll post the champion team & driver at the end of the season. Winning a race with a punctured tyre is unusual but hardly important enough for an ITN blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 13:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment suggest this is closed post-haste to stop any more time being wasted. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 1

Portal:Current events/2020 August 1

August 1, 2020 (2020-08-01) (Saturday) Business and economy China–United States trade war Chinese IT company ByteDance agrees to divest from the U.S. branch of TikTok, in light of U.S. President Donald Trump's threat to ban the app within the country. If the deal is approved, Microsoft will handle the app's personal data rather than ByteDance, averting a main source of contention with U.S. officials. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Isaias Category One Isaias makes landfall on northern Andros Island heading toward Grand Bahama. The storm, strength slightly reduced to 75 mph (120 km/h) with heavy rains and coastal flooding, will move over the Straits of Florida tonight and approach the southeast coast of Florida early Sunday. North Carolina orders the evacuation of Ocracoke Island. (USA Today) (National Hurricane Center) 2020 Punjab alcohol poisoning Officials say at least 86 people have died in recent days due to consuming toxic illegally-made alcohol in Punjab, India. Police are carrying out raids in the state, confiscating supplies of the suspected alcohol and have made 25 arrests. (BBC News) Flash floods in Nangarhar, Afghanistan, kill 16 people, injure four others and damage several houses. (TOLONews) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Okinawa declares a state of emergency for two weeks until August 15 and asks people to stay home after the popular tourist destination sees an "explosive spread" of COVID-19 cases. (The Straits Times) Tokyo reports 472 new cases, its highest toll to date for the city. (The Japan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Kuwait The Kuwaiti Directorate General of Civil Aviation bans flights to 31 countries as Kuwait International Airport resumes operations at reduced capacity. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in India India reports a record more than 57,000 new cases, as well as 764 deaths in the last 24 hours. (NDTV) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Philippines report 4,963 new cases, its highest toll to date. The cases rise to 98,232 and the deaths jump by 17 to reach a total of 2,039. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Queensland closes its border with Greater Sydney at 1 a.m. (AEST) after its premier Annastacia Palaszczuk declared all of Sydney a COVID-19 hotspot on July 29. (9 News) Australian COVID-19 death toll reaches 200. (The Sydney Morning Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa South Africa surpasses 500,000 cases after adding a total of 10,107 new cases Saturday night. (AP) Law and crime COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea, Religion in South Korea, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on religion Lee Man-hee, a Shincheonji Church of Jesus pastor, is arrested for allegedly hiding contact information from virus trackers and embezzling 5.6 billion won. (The Guardian) 12 people, including Booker Prize-nominated author Tsitsi Dangarembga, are released from detention by Zimbabwean authorities for participating in anti-government protests in the capital of Harare yesterday. They are to return for trials on September 18. (Al Jazeera) The Iranian Ministry of Intelligence announces the detainment of Jamshid Sharmahd, the leader of the pro-Pahlavi group Kingdom Assembly of Iran, for coordinating the 2008 attack on worshippers in Shiraz. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2020 Khabarovsk Krai protests Protests in the Far Eastern city of Khabarovsk, Russia continue for the fourth consecutive weekend. Protesters demand the release of regional governor Sergei Furgal, who was arrested on charges of murder, which he denies. Thousands of people reportedly join the protest. (Reuters) Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic A demonstration against coronavirus restrictions attended by thousands of people in Berlin, Germany, is terminated by police over "non-respect of hygiene rules". Police say they launched legal action against the organisers. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology The Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates becomes operational following delays since 2017. It is the first commercial nuclear power station in the Arab world. (BBC News)

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RD: Amar Singh (politician)

Article: Amar Singh (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India, NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Could do with a little updating and cleanup DTM (talk) 05:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment It has an NPOV tag (from 2004) that should be taken out in the cleanup, will support later when updated to RD standards JW 1961 Talk 09:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose A significant number of contentious statements (and possibly BLP violations) are unsourced or poorly sourced. Black Kite (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Article's a mess. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - not ready.BabbaQ (talk) 12:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wilford Brimley

Article: Wilford Brimley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The usual -ography problems as well as general sourcing throughout. Masem (t) 05:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per nom. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: All sourced now (I think). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Conditionally Support once filmography is referenced. The rest of the article looks ready. Joofjoof (talk) 09:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Joofjoof: It's already referenced with refs 38 (TV Guide) and 39 (Rotten Tomatoes) at the very top of the section. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• That works, comment updated.Joofjoof (talk) 10:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Now that article has been improved JW 1961 Talk 10:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 15:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Return of the SpaceX Crew Dragon Capsule from the International Space Station

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Article: Crew Dragon Demo-2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Astronauts Douglas Hurley and Robert Behnken return to earth in NASA and SpaceX Crew Dragon Capsule after a two month stay at the International Space Station. This marks the first private sector capsule to be transporting astronauts back to the earth from the International Space Station (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American astronauts Douglas Hurley and Robert Behnken return to earth in the NASA and SpaceX Endeavour from the ISS, successfully completing Crew Dragon Demo-2.
Alternative blurb II: ​ SpaceX Endeavour returns from the ISS after successfully completing Crew Dragon Demo-2.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Endeavour makes the first splashdown in 45 years after successfully completing Crew Dragon Demo-2.
News source(s): Space.com, Fox News, BBC, AP, Reuters, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Kaisertalk (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is the first return trip from the ISS in an US vehicle after the Columbia space shuttle in the early 2000s. This is also the first human return from the ISS in a private sector vehicle. This will also be the first planned water splashdown for returning astronauts since 1975. Astronauts Bob and Doug will be leaving the ISS on Saturday, 2020-08-01 and reaching earth on Sunday, 2020-08-02, so this has to be timely.

Also, this is my first time trying this nomination process, so, I request your kindness in case I have missed a step or two in the nomination process.Kaisertalk (talk) 22:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 1: Parachutes have been deployed, and we are very close to splashdown. Kaisertalk (talk) 18:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 2: Splashdown successful! The astronauts, Bob and Doug, are safe on planet Earth!!! They have landed on the Gulf of Mexico. Kaisertalk (talk) 18:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 3: Recovery vessels are now approaching the capsule, and deploy the rigging equipment to help hoist the astronauts outside of the capsule. This marks the first water splashdown for US Astronauts since 1975. As others have noted below, this is the first US vessel to bring down astronauts from the ISS since the early 2000s. Weather has been extremely cooperative throughout the landing. Approx twenty to thirty minutes for the astronauts to be hoisted out. Kaisertalk (talk) 19:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 4: Approximately T+52 minutes post splashdown. The recovery team is currently evaluating levels of NTO before hoisting the astronauts out of the capsule. Kaisertalk (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 5 (last): Successful recovery completed. Astronauts make the first successful water landing since 1975! Kaisertalk (talk) 21:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Update 6: Elon Musk has sent a self congratulatory tweet --LaserLegs (talk) 23:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait until the successful splashdown tomorrow. There's still stuff that can go wrong between now and then, obviously. --Masem (t) 22:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as the end of the first successful manned operation of a commercial space vehicle to-and-from extended travel in orbit/the ISS. --Masem (t) 22:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: Agree with the approach. Is there merit in writing the news as "...leaves the ISS on their journey back to the earth" today, and then tomorrow, post the splashdown, we change that to "land in earth post over two months at the ISS". Thoughts? Kaisertalk (talk) 22:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose we posted the launch, and the craft proved it's re-entry during Crew Dragon Demo-1. I'm fine with ITN/R for ISS turnaround flights since they're many months apart. Also the article is orange tagged for quality and is missing refs in the timeline. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment how is this ITNR? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait Wait until the splashdown. They're still doing this amid Hurricane Isaias, which is pretty daring and a bit dangerous due to strong waves. I hope everything goes well. Anyway, wait until their landing is confirmed tomorrow. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 23:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose while I'm waiting on someone telling me how this is ITNR, I must oppose on quality grounds. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: See WP:ITN/R#Space exploration. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 23:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Yes? Which clause applies? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• I think we are getting into semantics here now, but, I would state that this covered by the first clause. How, you ask? Crewed mission - Yes. Orbital - Yes, in fact reverse orbital. Spaceflight - Yes. Launch - Yes. You launch off the ISS using microboosters to get away from the ISS and launch towards the earth. Kaisertalk (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• No, I think that's reeeally stretching what the ITNR wording means. Perhaps we need a clarification note to reinforce that this was about launches from Earth not not "microboosted" launches from space back to Earth. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not ITNR, and not especially significant. We posted the launch, as indeed we should, but we don't post every detail that happens after that including the landing.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru Appreciate your inputs, thanks. However, I just want to place on record a call against your note stating this is "not especially significant" and that "we don't post every detail". Launch and Return are the two most significant moments of a manned space mission. Cheers and Good Day. Kaisertalk (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

No, come on, is this ITNR or not? No-one has suggested how it is. And we don't post every ISS rotation. Next. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello The Rambling Man. Yes, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Space_exploration. Also, in a dispassionate manner, I will maintain that this is not another ISS rotation. Kaisertalk (talk) 23:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Which clause? I've asked above. I don't see where the return of astronauts is covered by ITNR. Please be explicit. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 23:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we are getting into semantics here now, but, I would state that this covered by the first clause. How, you ask? Crewed mission - Yes. Orbital - Yes, in fact reverse orbital. Spaceflight - Yes. Launch - Yes. You launch off the ISS using microboosters to get away from the ISS and launch towards the earth. Kaisertalk (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, it's not ITNR as was agreed. I'm out of here, this is corrupted. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 00:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

"You launch off the ISS using microboosters". Blimey, that's a stretch... Not what most people would regard as a launch. Do we usually post Soyuz returns to earth? If not, then I don't see a reason to mention this one. Sure, it's the first commercial one, but we already mentioned that in the launch blurb. There's no valid reason to post this, and the fact that items currently in the template are quite old doesn't change that.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Not ITNR, as they are not launching from the ISS. ITNR flag removed. Stephen 00:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait There's still quite a lot of flex in this trip as the de-orbit burn hasn't happened yet and the landing site can change. The article still needs work in several places to update from what was planned to happen to what actually happened and so it's best to wait for splashdown when the events will all be over and done. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per all. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per above. Will Support when splashdown occurs per Kaisertalk. This is notable in itself and as notable as the launch (which got posted apparently). I oppose the blurb tho and added blurb 2, which is shorter. Dantheanimator (talk) 01:57, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  The landing may well be "as notable as the launch", but the convention at ITN is only to post stories related to a single event once. For example we don't post an election result and then also post the inauguration of the new president, if the latter is significantly later. There's just nothing remarkable about this - once a launch happens with astronauts, it's guaranteed they'll come back to earth at some point (unless there's a tragic mishap, which of course would be a much much stronger story worthy of posting)  — Amakuru (talk) 06:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Splashdown We should emphasize the splashdown because news coverage points out that this will be the first one in 45 years. I have suggested another suitable blurb. We should also get a good picture too, as NASA will make these public domain. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Re (debatable) significance, BBC notes that a successful splashdown would mean the U.S. "once again has a fully serviceable ... means of getting its own people into orbit and back" – a capability "lost when the country retired its shuttles in 2011." – Sca (talk) 13:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  True, and that's very nice, but we emphasised that point when we blurbed the launch. If this were the first time we were mentioning this mission I'd agree wholeheartedly, but we already posted it and there's nothing surprising about this further development.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, a launch is one thing, but as we've discussed regarding the Mars probes completion is another. A successful splashdown would mean an accomplished fact. Just tossing this out as food for thought.... – Sca (talk) 15:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Support Reentry is notable per above.  Nixinova   T   C   19:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for labouring this point, but it really isn't notable. We never post Soyuz landings, so why would we post this one? Seems like all missions should be treated the same way.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Wait for Crew-1 launch for next posting. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support – Down and safe. – Sca (talk) 21:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose again as there appears to have been some re-factoring of the blurbs to splashdown rather than a bizarre attempt to claim the "launch" from ISS to be INTR. Would have supported if it hadn't made it back, but as noted, space travel is now humdrum and this test flight is just that, run-of-the-mill. What goes up must come down, and we posted what went up, no need for the other. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  I'm genuinely baffled by this one. Often I disagree with something but I can also see why others support it, that's fine. But nobody has offered any explanation as to why we would break our convention and post this same story twice, when we don't for any other space mission. Just lots of WP:ILIKEIT votes and other miscellaneous peculiarities such as the "microlaunch" from the ISS.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  For a moment let's keep the ITNR flag aside. Let's look at why this article might be notable in and of itself. Here are some of my reasons:

  1. First return back for human / astronauts from the ISS back on the Dragon Capsule, a capsule that is being built out and evaluated (explains why there is a demo in its name)

  2. First private sector vehicle being used for the human mission to the International Space Station

  3. First US vehicle to bring back astronauts from the ISS since the early 2000s when the space shuttle program ended

  4. First water splashdown return from a space program since 1975.

  Kaisertalk (talk) 22:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  We posted the launch. The return was absolutely inevitable unless it went wrong. This isn't "buy one get one free" time. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – What do those who said wait have to say now that it's done? – Sca (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not a real first. WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 22:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose The fact that this has been posted previously on launch and then subject to 5 updates in the nomination alone makes this seem more like a NASA ticker. Same goes with the twice repeated attempt to post ITN for Perseverance. Albertaont (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Greetings @Albertaont:. I am the one who kept posting those updates (1 through 5). I seek pardon if that is frowned upon. The reason I posted was to bring attention to the timeliness of the event, i.e. splashdown was in the process of being completed and then eventually completed. Also re: the ITNR, I was the one who marked the flag as yes, based on my (subjective) read of the ITNR guidelines, and specifically the section that spoke about space launches. Stephen unmarked the flag based on a call that this is not ITNR, which is perfectly fine. I totally respect your views to oppose, or strongly oppose. My only request of you is to consider the notability of the event independent of any procedural actions from my side. As mentioned, this is my first nomination, and I am sure, I will learn the procedures soon enough. Good Day. Kaisertalk (talk) 22:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Greetings @Kaisertalk: Not a problem, don't take it personally from my end. Its just when 5 updates are posted in a row, it makes it more like an unusual attempt to promote an article which naturally invites greater skepticism. I understand your enthusiasm for the event. Albertaont (talk) 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as we already covered the launch so we'd effectively be running the same story again. P-K3 (talk) 01:49, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. We've already posted this story. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We have already posted this. No need for chronicling – Ammarpad (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose posting the same story twice, just two months apart. Definitely not a launch; trying to argue this is covered by ITNR is completely bizarre. Modest Genius ^talk 16:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Unsolicited seeds

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Article: Brushing (e-commerce) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shipments of unsolicited seeds (sample pictured) are suspected to be a scam (Post)
News source(s): Guardian; CNN; Fortune
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: No-one seems to be quite sure about this yet so I have another theory: "From the seeds came pods which had the power to ..." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Super Strong Support They come in peace and promise a better world! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose a jolly little trivial story which would be much better suited to another section of the main page. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• The bottom blurb in ITN currently is about another scam – what's the difference? And notice that that older story is over two weeks old now. ITN is so slow and stale now because such negativity and nitpicking is stifling the process. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• As noted about four times in the past few days, if you think the process is failing, raise an RFC to amend it. In the meantime, continually browbeating and condemning it is becoming somewhat boring. Also, what John said below. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose trivial. (Also, that the news cycle is slow is not an argument to make a non-notable story a notable one.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 10:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Will support if Trump uses this as another reason to delay the election. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't you get it? They're in control now! Whatever sprouts from Trump's sunlit spout next is just nature's way of saying "you're welcome, America." InedibleHulk (talk) 11:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• We're doomed Count Iblis (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – I planted one in my back yard ystdy and it's already grown into a 90-ft.-tall beanstalk. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose is this a joke? Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

What makes you think that? – Sca (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose suggest close Probably one of the least notable news stories of a month that just started today, congratulations. People think businesses might be shipping seed packets at random to make it look like they have more business? I'm not sure trading standards will even care that much. Kingsif (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

But a-ha! This happened in July. Lasting impact, these pods. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait until the biological/astronomical origin of the seeds is confirmed. Once confirmed will change to support. Thanks Andrew Davidson for the reference, a big fan of the film though I don't think were having a Capgras pandemic. Dantheanimator (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Good idea, they may have been fired by one of the Mars probes. – Sca (talk) 18:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• ...the article shows they tested the seeds, the story is the maybe-a-scam, not the alien origins. Kingsif (talk) 18:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif according to the article, the DEFRA and USDA, both government agencies, tested the seeds. Maybe the aliens are scamming us but the government doesn't want us to know? Dantheanimator (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Hurricane Isaias

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Article: Hurricane Isaias (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Isaias brings significant flooding and wind damage to much of the Caribbean, killing three people with more missing. It is currently lashing the South Carolina with hurricane-force winds and threatening much of the United States East Coast. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Isaias threatens North Carolina and much of the eastern United States.
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ChessEric (talk · give credit) and Destroyeraa (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 ~ Destroyeraa (talk)

• Oppose Storm causes wind, rain, little damage, two deaths. Not a major hurricane by the looks of it, mostly at sea. The article is also a mess of tagged sections, uncited sensationalist language, with a long lead and gaps in coverage in the body. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Though consensus will be against this at first, impact reports will likely be flooding in later on August 1 or August 2 as the storm makes landfall in Florida. That way, the article will have much more information, not just some poorly formatted info with maintenance tags. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 02:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Then nominate it when it hits Florida if it has an impact. Kingsif (talk) 02:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Kingsif: It will have an impact because it is a high-end Category 1 hurricane. Probably will hit the Carolinas, Delmarva and New Jersey/NYC too. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 02:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait until it reaches the East Coast of the US and we'll see how significant it is.-- P-K3 (talk) 02:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per all. Right now it's just a storm doing storm things. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait – Until "Isaias" (EE'-sah-EE'-us) blows over and bows out. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose -> "storm brings wind and rain". Just because it happened in Amurica, it doesn't mean it's special. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:56, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

If it happened somewhere in the far-flung British Empire, it'd be nooz. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

It hasn't actually made landfall in the US yet. WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 20:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

No, noted. This whole nomination is a bit ... pre-emptive perhaps? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. No indication that this is a big deal or likely to become one. I'm open to reconsidering if that changes, but we can't post every tropical storm. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks like Isaias turned out weaker than expected. Still expected to make landfall in SC as a Cat 1. If it doesn't cause much damage, then close this discussion. ~ Destroyeraa (talk|Contribs) 01:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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July 31

Portal:Current events/2020 July 31

July 31, 2020 (2020-07-31) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2020 Chaman border clash Twenty-two people are killed in clashes between Afghan civilians and Pakistani military forces. Fifteen people died and 80 others injured in Kandahar after Pakistani soldiers attacked civilian areas, while seven people were killed and 31 others injured in Pakistan when a crowd trying to enter Afghanistan became unruly and attacked military installations. The Afghan government warns of action if Pakistan "continues its rocket attacks", while the Pakistani military says it opened fire in self-defense, returning fire to the Afghan side. (Reuters) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 recession COVID-19 pandemic in Spain The Spanish economy suffers a historically large fall in the second quarter of 18.5% of GDP and enters in recession, making Spain the Eurozone country most economically devastated by the pandemic. (El Mundo) Eurozone suffers an unprecedented 12.1% drop in GDP and enters in technical recession. (Euronews) James Murdoch, the younger son of media mogul Rupert Murdoch, resigns from the board of News Corporation citing "disagreements over editorial content ... (and) some strategic decisions." News Corp owns media in Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Isaias heads toward the Bahamas and the U.S. as a category 1 hurricane, after causing floods and landslides in the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. A hurricane warning is issued for Florida's Atlantic Coast. (DW) (The Weather Channel) 2020 Kenai Peninsula mid-air collision Seven people are killed in a mid-air collision near Soldotna, Alaska, United States. Among those killed was Alaska State Representative Gary Knopp. (The New York Times) (KTUU-TV) A minibus accident in Crimea (a disputed territory of Ukraine and Russia) leaves at least nine people dead and another nine wounded. (Reuters) An Alfa Pendular high-speed train derails in Coimbra, Portugal, killing two people and injuring at least 30 others. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Vietnam Vietnam reports a record 82 new COVID-19 cases in a day. (Vietnamese Heath Ministry) Vietnam reports its first two deaths from COVID-19. The two men, "Patient 428" and "Patient 437" died of "complications from background diseases and COVID-19". (VnExpress) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte downgrades the lockdown restrictions on Cebu City to the level of "general community quarantine", while extending the same level of restriction on Metro Manila until mid-August. 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(Posted) RD: Bill English (computer engineer)

Article: Bill English (computer engineer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the key contributors to the modern computer mouse. Died on the 26th but this appears to be the day it was first reported (double checking to make sure). Article is in decent shape. Masem (t) 02:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks good. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 05:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stephen Tataw

Article: Stephen Tataw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Confederation of African Football; BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bring back Daz Sampson (talk · give credit) and Malcolmxl5 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Cameroon footballer who was captain of the side which famously beat Argentina and reached the quarter final of the World Cup in 1990. A couple of refs to add and maybe a bit more detail, but generally OK. I will get to that shortly.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Just the honours section needs referencing, will support when fixed JW 1961 Talk 13:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  @Joseywales1961: that's already been done!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Good work improving, looks ready to go now JW 1961 Talk 16:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support – I added a few sentences to the lead, but aside from that, it looks like it meets the criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment is there anything outstanding that I need to resolve on this one? It has been marked ready for ages but not added yet. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support you know what they, if you a job doing properly..... this has been good to go for half a day now, I'd IAR and post the entry yourself. Who's going to sue you for that? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Good enough. I'm guessing he didn't get the coaching job in 2018? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eusebio Leal

Article: Eusebio Leal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - there is a sentence in the lead, saying he wrote books and presented TV programmes about Havana, but it is not mentioned elsewhere as far as I can see and is uncited. After that's fixed, good to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Added cited info re presenting in "Other positions". Removed the part about books since I couldn't find any sources on that. —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Great, thanks for the update, Bloom6132. I've actually added back mentions of a couple of his books just with links to the Google Books page, which seems sufficient to verify their existence! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) RD: Gary Knopp

Article: Gary Knopp (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Palmtree5551 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Palmtree5551 (talk) 04:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Its prose is quite short but fairly well referenced, one cn there on a committee membership should be easy fixed by someone in the know JW 1961 Talk 10:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Resume in prose format; insufficient depth of coverage. Lists committees he was on in his role as a politician, but doesn't say what he did as part of those committees. Spencer^T•C 00:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks fine for RD. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Spencer. Needs a bit more detail on what he did, it's pretty much just a list of positions at present.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and stale Too little personal information to comfortably call a BLP, and too few professional details prevent establishing notability. A mere 5 edits before his death prevents this from being a BLP1E.130.233.3.21 (talk) 10:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2020 China floods

Article: 2020 China floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last update of consequence was on July 27th with a 1 liner about some shops flooding. Other "recent" updates are backdates to June and early July. Everything else is content tweaks and ref fixes. The article was never that great, and being featured on the main page didn't help it get better. LaserLegs (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support This was getting coverage in the world middle of July and was rightly ITN, but not so much so anymore. TBH, it is one of many heavier than usual floods happening across Asia like Japan and India which seem to have either comparable damage or casualties. Doesn't seem so special anymore unless someone wants to do a grand article on 2020 floods across Asia. Then again, even the death toll/damages we are bad but definitely not catastrophic for what Asia usually sees.2604:3D09:682:B00:1987:35DF:CE31:2228 (talk) 22:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Floods are very much still happening [8] its just that its a time issue as the consider is on the stability of the Three Gorges Dam, and that's literally just a waiting game as all the flooded areas drain out into the reservior behind it. They are still on alert, but they nothing they can tell people to take action about because they've done as much as they can. --Masem (t) 22:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Could you point me to the article edit with new pertinent information because I can't seem to find it --LaserLegs (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
    • As I pointed out, its a waiting game of watching waters dangerous rising behind a decades old dam that is showing signs of failure but hasnt' failed yet. It's like reporting on paint drying to a point, there's nothing really to report until either 1) the waters receed or 2) the dam breaks. Its clearly in the news but there's not much that can be immediately updated appropraitely. Common sense is needed in cases like this. -Masem (t) 02:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support While floods may still be happening, it's no longer in the news, nor is the article being updated. Kingsif (talk) 22:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support. It's not really suitable for ongoing at this point. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 00:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Doesn't seem to be making front page news anywhere. If only I had a nickel every time someone said (or "wished") 3G dam would burst... if that happens, it wouldn't be "Ongoing" but ITN anyways. Albertaont (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support no use hanging around waiting to see if it will become in the news again. It certainly isn't right now. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Removed. There seems to be a solid consensus that this should be withdrawn at this point. If anything further develops in the future, it can be renominated.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

(Stale) British Academy TV awards

Article: 2020 British Academy Television Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 2020 British Academy Television Awards, The End of the F***ing World wins Best Drama and Stath Lets Flats wins Best Comedy in the first major entertainment award ceremony since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the 2020 British Academy Television Awards, The End of the F***ing World wins Best Drama and Stath Lets Flats wins Best Comedy.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the 2020 British Academy Television Awards, The End of the F***ing World, Stath Lets Flats, and Chernobyl each win two awards.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At the 2020 British Academy Television and Craft Awards, Chernobyl wins a record nine awards, including Best Mini-Series.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Chernobyl wins a record nine awards at the 2020 British Academy Television, the first since COVID-19.
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Includes prose updates. Surprisingly not ITN/R, but easily should be. Kingsif (talk) 20:58, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose- many countries have television awards and I'm not convinced (though, as always, open to changing my mind) that the British ones are indeed the second most important. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• It's the Emmys but held in London, of equal importance, not even 'second'. I'd be interested to hear your take on the British Academy Film Awards (the only not-Oscar film awards in ITN/R)... As you can see, the main source is Deadline Hollywood, based in LA, which got their coverage out before the BBC did. Kingsif (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• For better or worse, the Emmys are of greater importance due to American pop cultural dominance. I think film has more lasting cultural importance than television, so I have less problem with theoretically posting multiple film awards each year. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Wouldn't you like to counter that dominance? If ITN just bowed to it the way you're advocating here, the box would be filled with American stuff and nothing else. (And like I noted, a Los Angeles industry news outlet covered this before the BBC, so it's certainly in the American cultural interest) Kingsif (talk) 21:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Clever argument, but US popular media dominance is not the kind of bias I'm concerned with since it isn't really a bias at all, just a reality. It's quite different from Western media bias on terror attacks for example, since I don't think people in say Southeast Asia are also disproportionately concerned about the lives of Western terror victims, whereas US popular media is genuinely of disproportionate international interest. That being said, I also wouldn't object to removal of the Emmys from ITN/R, since television generally has less long-term cachet than film. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Reading that (and the addition) a few times, it seems your argument to oppose is not just that you think no TV is as important as American TV, but that no TV is important except American TV. To which I can only inform you that the British invented TV, and step back. Kingsif (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• I agree with the former statement but not the latter. Not sure how you interpreted my reply to mean that, sorry if it wasn't clear. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• No, no worries - and I'm glad I understand your argument now. A debatable viewpoint, at least. Kingsif (talk) 22:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support This is a major awards show (surprised it's not ITN/R as well) and there's a decent amount of prose on the ceremony. P-K3 (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support article is the minimum for an awards show and entertainment is sadly under represented at ITN. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support in principle, but for a couple of things: (1) why are the awards in the blurb those singled out ("Stath Rents Flats" is fucking briliant but no Chernobyl) and (b) there's not much prose in there.... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• To (1), following the Emmy ITN/R instructions to post best drama and (scripted) comedy. Chernobyl won as best miniseries, which is also an Emmy category excluded from the blurb. It could be changed to say the three each won 2 awards? For (b), feel free to expand, I'm still working on it! Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• I don't know how those categories were cherry-picked, is there a relevant discussion somewhere? And no thanks, I've got plenty of other things on my backlog right now, but all the best with your expansion. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• @The Rambling Man: the earliest discussion is this one that you started after it was added without discussion. Interestingly, there is broad support in there to add the BAFTAs, too. Kingsif (talk) 17:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support ITN is not always about "disasters and stuff" and nice to show arts and entertainment kicking off again. Albertaont (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This seems to be little more than a clip show – self-congratulatory, self-promotion. Lots of shows and stars got prizes and the selection for top billing seems to be quite arbitrary – from the buzz I've seen, Glenda Jackson and Fleabag are the standouts. I looked at the article to see who had made the selections but it doesn't say. It also has a long list of recent deaths. The entries are unsourced and include someone who doesn't have an article. The closest thing to a source in that section seems to be a Youtube video. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• I don't know what you're looking at but I added a source for everything. Edit: The In memoriam is a section that is standard for award show articles; as a montage shown in the ceremony it comes under PLOT, but I also added the clip of the montage for sourcing. This is a major award show, so you can get off that horse, too. Who made the selections? The British Academy of Film and Television Arts: it's literally in the name. Sorry, Andrew, but this is a very uninformed comment. Kingsif (talk) 17:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• So I guess the Oscars are considered the same then Andrew? You know who made the selections, the clue's in the name: BAFTA. If you want to find out the names of the individuals, go find them. A long list of RDs is typical of all such ceremonies: the Oscars have been doing them for decades. This is borderline Cloud Cuckoo Land-stuff. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Frankly, how bizarre. This article is attracting as much attention as the other currently-listed ITN articles, which is normally an argument propounded by Andrew, yet now he opposes this approach to a notable awards ceremony which our readers might well be looking to learn more about. So much for WP:TOP25 and the Daily Mail.... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support in principle, no remarks on quality since I haven't looked at the article. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

*Weak Oppose Shouldn't this be a ITNR nom, since it is recurring? I don't think ITN should be a place for every single Movie awards ceremony, be it the Academy or Oscars, unless it is historical which in this case it is not. Will change my position considering other, more convincing, arguements. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Support per Kingsif. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, Dan, some corrections for your comments, which I write with the best of intentions: WP:ITN/R noms are for things listed at that page (arguably, the BAFTA TV Awards should be on the list, but there hasn't been a community discussion about it) not just any recurring event. ITN isn't trying to list all the film (and TV, this is TV) awards, don't worry (e.g. the GLAAD Media Awards happened on the same day, no nom), typically just the 'majors', which this is one of. The Academy Awards and the Oscars are the same thing. And well, this ceremony is historic if you count 'first during pandemic' and 'reopening of TV industry'. Kingsif (talk) 18:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Andrew D. I don't think this is a significant enough event to warrant posting. And if people really think it is, then have the proper discussion about getting it added to ITN/R. (And I'm obviously aware that ITN/R is a sufficient but not a necessary condition for posting, but just commenting that I don't personally think this one is quite there among the elite awards ceremonies, unlike the BAFTAs, Oscars and Emmy awards etc, and if it were then we probably would have added it by now.)  — Amakuru (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru Most ITNR discussions ask that the nominated topic first succeed with a regular ITNC nomination first. We used to write at the top of this page "Please do not oppose an item because it is not on WP:ITN/R." [9] 331dot (talk) 16:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Just to add Amakuru, that your argument is you think it isn't the BAFTAs, Oscars and Emmy awards - which is valid, except, it is literally the BAFTA-Emmys. Kingsif (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Just because a recurring event is not listed on ITNR doesn't mean it doesn't qualify for ITN via an ITNC. This was in the news and the article is up to date. British television has worldwide distribution and importance, and the BAFTAs broadly have worldwide recognition. I would generally support blurb2 as most sources focused on Chernobyl's wins despite it not in the normal cats we recognize. --Masem (t) 16:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose If the problem with the Emmys was the bias of American voters, the BAFTAs could counter that with British voters. But they go a step further and exclude all foreign productions from consideration. This is a tacit admission that even with British voters, American programs would still win. Thus the BAFTAs establish themselves as an award for second tier programs by rule. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• @GreatCaesarsGhost: Except the BAFTAs changed the rules last year, so that the American co-production Killing Eve could be nominated; now most of the nominees (e.g. Chernobyl) are international co-productions (I think all American). So they fixed that. And anyway, the Emmys also exclude foreign shows except in their international category: you could argue that the Emmys tacitly admit they're second tier because foreign shows could win. Kingsif (talk) 17:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

So is the plan here to harass every single editor who opposes your nom to discourage others? First, the Emmy's do not exclude foreign shows - that's an easily disprovable lie as there are several foreign productions in the top categories this year. Let us be more plain - we don't post the junior varsity champions. We don't post Greek Basket League or MLS. The BAFTAs are what you win if you want to get a job on a show that's eligible for an Emmy. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Harass? Am I not allowed to respond to people blatantly being ignorant? Sorry, GCG, I thought you were reasonable. The fact of the matter is, like the BAFTA Film awards and Oscars, the BAFTA TV awards and Emmys have a massive overlap in nominees - e.g. the international Chernobyl - and we can still post both. You can't assert the BAFTAs are JV when they're just the Emmys, in London. It's ridiculous. Your argument was that the BAFTAs admit they are second string by not nominating foreign shows - something utterly false, and then you attack me for pointing that out. Thanks. Kingsif (talk) 04:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

A) you've replied to every oppose. B) you refer to a difference in opinion on a subjective matter as "being ignorant." Yes, this is harassment. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Because most of the opposes are "it's not American so it doesn't matter", don't mischaracterize my responses and ignore context for your own ad hominem attacks. Kingsif (talk) 20:12, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oh my god, is this "my tv show is better than your television programme, so nah nah nah"?? Claptrap of the highest order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Rambling Man (talk • contribs)

Not at all, anonymous British person. It is that what is of local interest to you is not automatically important to a global audience. The BAFTAs are for all good TV produced in the UK. The Emmys are for that plus the TV produced everywhere else, including out in Hollywood where (shock) most TV is produced. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

That comment was left by TRM, by the way. Kingsif (talk) 04:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, unsigned, oopsie. GreatCaesarsGhost would do well to read what Kingsif has just written at the WP:ITNR nomination for BAFTAs to be included annually, just like Emmys. There seems to be a lot of ignorance and nationalism going on, and at the very least we can address the former using facts as laid out by Kingsif. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Why is it ignorance and nationalism when an American minimizes a British nom, but completely acceptable the other way around? I raised rather valid objections, and was dismissed completely. Meanwhile, the supports are all "clearly, obviously" as if it's a fait accompli. I don't even feel that strongly against posting, but the rhetoric here is clearly in bad faith and uncivil. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. As notable as the Emmys on the global stage, given the worldwide distribution of many of the nominated programmes, and the dual-country productions that regularly appear nowadays. Should be run, despite some of the nationalistic nonsense which sees this as some zero sum game about “winning” something that isn’t being competed. - SchroCat (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support altblurb. The article is fine and I'm convinced that this meets the notability criteria. However, there's no reason to mention COVID in the blurb when it's already permanently featured in ITN. Also, the incorporation of the Craft Awards in the last blurb affords a good superlative, but makes it too verbose and confuses the bold link with a different awards ceremony. If Drama & Comedy are the prestigious categories, then the succinct "X wins a, Y wins b" is sufficient.130.233.3.21 (talk) 06:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Not of global interest. Not notable to warrant a homepage news post. Also, more than half a week since the event - does not hold newsworthiness. Ktin (talk) 15:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  Items don't need to be "of global interest" and you may not have noticed but three or four days is just fine for ITN inclusion: as long as it's not older than the oldest item up there, that position is baseless. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Ready? While I oppose this nom, there seems to be sufficient support and the item is aging. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Stale. All items are newer than this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alan Parker

Article: Alan Parker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British film director Alan Parker dies, noted for his wide range of genres, directed films winning nineteen BAFTA awards and six Oscars. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ British film director Alan Parker dies at the age of 76.
News source(s): BBC, Variety, Deadline, The Guardian, NY Times, selections
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fairly close to being OK, but a few gaps in citations knocking around that need filling SchroCat (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support A few filmography refs needed, so best to wait for that, but otherwise well-reffed and seems detailed enough. Kingsif (talk) 17:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• There aren't any gaps on the filmography: there is a link to the BFI at the top of the table that covers all his work. - SchroCat (talk) 17:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support with blurb. One of Europe's best directors in history. Would balance the current blurbs about scandals, civil wars, and scams. --Light show (talk) 17:35, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support RD that's good to go, feel free to continue chatting about blurb. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Consensus that there are no issues with quality. Oppose blurb though, for obvious reasons. He made a few good films, but he's no Mandela or Thatcher.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Using the John Lewis standard, impact across the pond was not as great without any notable Academy Awards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Not everyone feels that only political figures (ie. Lewis, Mandala, Thatcher) or political topics as in the current blurbs, should be more notable than great artists. Parker won many more awards than even Stanley Kubrick. --Light show (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Light show, I was alluding to the "standard" by which Lewis' blurb was ultimately pulled.—Bagumba (talk) 19:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. This isn't about tit for tat, I will oppose British or American RDs equally if I think they don't meet the bar. Most people agree that the level of "fame" for old age deaths should be very high, but then start campaigning for a blurb when someone seemingly a household name comes up. The default is no blurb, and if we start from that point we'll keep it at the right level,as we have been doing quite well lately. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

That seems to imply that people like Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, or John Lennon, who because they did not live to a ripe old age, would have been more likely to get a blurb. Then giving a 24-word blurb and portrait photo, for some little known politico like Najib Razak, simply because he was found guilty of a crime, might be hard to explain. --Light show (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Light show can you please explain to me how is significant outside of the UK? Even as a New Yorker who has watched tons of films and many UK films, his name only faintly seems familiar (maybe I'm confusing him with Peter Parker?). The reason Najib Razak has a blurb is because he stole RM 2.67 billion (approximately US$700 million) from the government. This sounds insignificant to you as a Westerner but for many in Malaysia and abroad, this is very big. I'm sure you would support a blurb for a conviction of embezzlement if it dealt with PM May of even Raab. Dantheanimator (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The Guardian obit above and the bio explains why Parker was a transformative influence to the cinema. He resuscitated movie musicals and broke down the barriers between the American and British film industries, among a few reasons. IMO he was among the greatest artists that Britain has produced in the second half of the 20th century, even above the modern canvas artists promoted to greatness by the auction houses. He was a director, not an actor, and like Frank Capra, created from his own ideas to present his own messages, not the studio's, and not just to entertain. But why I noted Najib Razak was because ITN blurbs seem heavily focused on politics, and rarely on the arts, which I feel is a mistake, and itself reduces the value of ITN. Countless RDs are posted of unknown people whose articles had received from 0 to 5 visits per day. --Light show (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dantheanimator: As many users at ITN keep saying, if a user claims that their ignorance of a person is a reason for the person to not be notable, it just shows that the user is unfit to judge the person's notability. "But I haven't heard of him" is not a good argument. Kingsif (talk) 21:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif sorry about that. Yes, you are 100% correct, I remember GreatCeasersGhost brought up this point before in a previous discussion. As such I will change my stance to Neutral since I am unfit to judge this director. However, you should consider also changing your oppose to neutral since you opposition is just as flawed as mine, by saying that "if Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland did not get a blurb, then Alan Parker shouldn't too." Dantheanimator (talk) 18:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I already did change to neutral in my response, you can read why below. Kingsif (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

You have a comment after your oppose saying "I may change to neutral for a blurb". You should strike out the oppose because it looks and sounds like you still oppose. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per Kirk Douglas and Little Richard, among others. Calidum 20:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb (I'm not sure what the equity posturing above is, but Parker is not comparable to John Lewis.) Even with Parker's amazing and international filmography, entertainment blurbs have been given a high bar recently and it would be strange to post Parker and not Kirk Douglas, Olivia de Havilland, etc. ETA: I may change to neutral for a blurb because, re-reading my comment, I feel we may fall into a cycle of "X didn't get a blurb so Y shouldn't", which seems like an unhelpful standard to set. Kingsif (talk) 20:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

*Support RD per above consensus. Strongest possible Oppose for blurb I looked at his filmography... for a director he doesn't have many films and of his films, I know almost 0 (and I watched a lot of films). If this were to make it as blurb, ITN would have no value. Dantheanimator (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Not even Bugsy Malone? Evita? While I agree with the oppose, I must say if you haven't even heard of these you are not a film buff in the slightest. It would probably be a little far to ask if you've heard of Jaws, but that's the level they're at. And they're both American films, too. Kingsif (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The only film of his I haven't seen yet is Bugsy Malone, LOL. But I'd hesitate to compare his movies to Jaws or any of Spielberg's films, as big as they are. Parker's films were extremely personal, as he always dived deeply into the psyche of his characters. Even movies as different as Midnight Express and his next one, Fame, took the viewer into a highly personal world of the characters. Parker had tremendous respect for the average person, which comes out in most of his films. --Light show (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I meant as cultural landmarks, rather than style, but yes. Kingsif (talk) 22:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I watched Jaws at least 20 times if not more. I've heard of Midnight Express and that's about it of his films. I don't watch comedies that much so it would have been very odd for me to have watched Bugsy Malone. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support plus blurb. He got Bob Hoskins to tell us Bob Geldof was "a fucking artist". Unbelievable. ​ ——Serial 22:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb It's going to be fucking lousy optics indeed if we blurb a film director but not John Lewis. WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 00:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Even without Lewis, no Christopher Lee or Orson Welles. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• RD only No John Carpenter or Gary Goddard. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

July 2020 Mars launch window

Article: No article specified
Blurb: ​ During a Mars launch window, UAESA launches Hope, CNSA launches Tianwen-1, and NASA launches Perserverance. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Nixinova (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: There have been three Mars launches this month, and in the NASA launch below there was some support for a joint blurb for all three of these launches.  Nixinova   T   C   22:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support per my rationale below. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Consensus below seemed to be on waiting until they land, or reporting of a mission failure. I honestly don't believe we would have had a joint nomination for ITN had only Hope and Tianwen launched, so it still seems not NPOV and just another attempt to include Perserverance. Albertaont (talk) 06:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. We agreed we'd post these as and when they land. The launches aren't particularly significant.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose again, thrice. Launches are humdrum, landings on Mars are highly significant. February please. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support target articles are all pretty thorough, the launch window section of the exploration article does a decent job of explaining the subject. The reason three went up in short order makes sense, but it's still uncommon. It's a 7 month trip, so we can post again when they either blow up or show up. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per LaserLegs. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per all three previous discussions. The spacecraft are of no use at all until they land/orbit Mars as planned. We can (and should) post these when they arrive. Launches are only a step in the process. Modest Genius ^talk 13:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) NASA Mars mission

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Articles: Perseverance (rover) (talk · history · tag) and Mars Helicopter Ingenuity (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA's plutonium-powered Perseverance rover (pictured) and Ingenuity helicopter are launched on a mission to Mars. (Post)
News source(s): Physics Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: All three articles are in pretty good shape. Wanted to get the helicopter in Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose recent discussions of Mars launches end up saying 'wait until they blow up or land'. Kingsif (talk) 01:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I've heard that this the first flying, portable drone sent to Mars but otherwise, is this any different than the last Mars missions? Seems to me that the hype is unwarranted. Dantheanimator (talk) 01:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Outside of a toy helicopter, this is the same mission and rover as Curiosity. We have litigated this to death with other Mars missions last week; wait until this lands, or "dies trying". Albertaont (talk) 01:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  The helicopter will be the first time a powered craft has flown on another planet. I was surprised that it was possible with Mars's thin atmosphere and all. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I would like to see these on ITN -- what about a joint blurb with the other Mars mission(s?) launching at this time.  Nixinova   T   C   05:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is the first Mars mission that is capable to find evidence of past life on Mars if it existed in an abundance similar to here on Earth about 3.8 billion years ago. Count Iblis (talk) 08:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • We likely won't get any substantial results on ancient Mars life until the samples are returned to Earth, which will be 2029 at the earliest. Modest Genius ^talk 13:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support A combined entry covering the launches of all three missions to Mars would be sensible. We should emphasise the current launch window for the Hohmann transfer orbit which is causing these to all happen at this time. Focussing only on the US mission would not be NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose If ITN had decided not to post the other 2 on launch, then we're shouldn't be posting the 3rd one now. We can wait until they arrives now. -- KTC (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose wait til it lands like the other similar recent noms JW 1961 Talk 10:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I would support a combined entry for the different Mars mission launches as suggested above (assuming acceptable quality – I haven't checked), but I oppose an entry for just one of the launches – wait until arrival (which is WP:ITN/R). TompaDompa (talk) 10:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose rocket launches are very mundane these days, if it had exploded on takeoff or subsequently then it'd be noteworthy. What is noteworthy is when it arrives, so let's see the re-nomination in February! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Wait for arrival on Mars, just like the other recent launches. Modest Genius ^talk 11:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose unless we did a combined blurb w/ China's mission (There was a third, that was to happen but its slipping my mind). But as it stands it sounds like there's no support for any launch here, only the arrivals. --Masem (t) 13:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – On grounds of encyclopedic equity. Since we didn't post the Mars lander launches of the UAE (July 19) or China (July 23), we certainly can't post this U.S. launch – at least, not without being justifiably accused of POV favoritism. All three probes are due to arrive at Mars in February 2021. Let's wait 'til then. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support posting combined blurb for all three missions, we can also post landings but it’s unusually notable to have so many Mars missions in a span of weeks. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Renominate after arrival if still relevant. – Ammarpad (talk) 20:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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July 30

Portal:Current events/2020 July 30

July 30, 2020 (2020-07-30) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan July 2020 Afghanistan attacks A car bombing in Puli Alam, Logar Province, kills at least 17 people and injures 30 others. Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid says the group has "nothing to do" with the bombing. (BBC News) Nine Taliban militants, including two leaders, are killed by security forces during clashes in Ghazni Province. (TOLOnews) Syrian civil war A car bombing attack leaves 5 people dead and another 12 injured in Tel Halef village, Syria. (Reuters) Iraqi insurgency (2017–present) A bomb kill a soldier in Diyala Governorate, Iraq. (National Iraqi News Agency) A man shoots dead two policemen in Charsadda, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Dawn) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States The United States economy suffers its worst quarter since World War II, with the GDP shrinking by an annualized rate of 32.9% in the April–June period. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2020 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Isaias Hurricane Isaias is expected to head towards Florida, prompting the state to close their COVID-19 test sites. The hurricane has made landfall in Puerto Rico, causing landslides, flooding, and power outages. (CBS News) (CNN) Kōriyama explosion An explosion destroys a restaurant in Kōriyama, Japan, killing one person and injuring another 18. A gas leak is suspected to be the cause of the accident. (The Mainichi Shimbun) United States Marine Corps One Marine is killed and one Sailor and seven additional Marines went missing when their Amphibious Assault Vehicle sinks near San Clemente Island off the coast of Southern California. They were from the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, stationed at Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, San Diego County. This is the third major AAV accident involving Camp Pendleton Marines since 2011. (Reuters) (AP) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in China COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong Hong Kong reports its largest single day record of 149 new cases of COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours as well as one death. From that new cases, 145 of them are locally transmitted. (Reuters) (South China Morning Post) Hong Kong government has reversed a day-old total ban on restaurants serving dine-in customers that was introduced to control the spread of COVID-19, and publishes new guidelines that allow restaurants could operate dine-in facilities but only during the day, at 50% capacity, and with no more than two people at a table. (AFP via The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China Mainland China reports 105 new COVID-19 cases and 96 of them are in Xinjiang. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Japan Tokyo reports 367 new COVID-19 cases. It is the highest jump of new cases since the pandemic began. (Asahi Shimbun) Japan reports a single day record high of 1,274 new COVID-19 cases. (The Japan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in India India reports its largest single day record of 52,123 new cases of COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record high of 1,197 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. (The Jerusalem Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Romania Romania reports a record high of 1,356 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. (Romania Insider) COVID-19 pandemic in Poland Poland reports a record high of 615 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours, and authorities warn of a reinstatement of quarantine measures for travellers from other countries. (Swissinfo) (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Wisconsin Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers issues a mask mandate, which is expected to go into effect on August 1. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Victoria records 723 new cases, as well as 13 deaths. It is the highest jump of number of cases and deadliest day since the start of the pandemic in Australia. (The Age) New South Wales reports its first COVID-19 cases from prison inmates as the state reports 18 new cases. (The Sydney Morning Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil First Lady Michelle Bolsonaro tests positive for COVID-19. (NPR) The number of worldwide recoveries of COVID-19 surpasses ten million. (Johns Hopkins University) International relations Malaysia–Philippines relations, North Borneo dispute Malaysian Foreign Minister Hishammuddin Hussein summons the Philippine ambassador after Philippine Foreign Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. tweeted Monday to the U.S. embassy in Manila that Sabah does not belong to Malaysia. Locsin summons the Malaysian ambassador in tit-for-tat. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Agbudu shooting A mass shooting in Kogi State, Nigeria leaves 14 people dead and another six injured. Thirteen of the fatalities were member of the same family. Police said that a long-standing row over land rights is suspected to be the motive behind the attack. (The Guardian Nigeria) Shooting of Michael Brown St. Louis County prosecutor Wesley Bell announces that Darren Wilson, the Ferguson police officer that shot and killed Michael Brown, will not be charged. (The New York Times) Twelve people are dead and nine others injured during a mass shooting in the Democratic Republic of Congo, carried out by a drunk soldier. (Reuters) Former U.S. Marine Trevor Reed, a 29-year-old student, is sentenced for nine years in a Russian penal colony for assaulting two police officers while drunk last year in Moscow. Reed's father told reporters after the verdict he is planning to appeal directly to Russian President Vladimir Putin. (Al Jazeera) A court in Uganda sentences a poacher who killed a rare gorilla named Rafiki to 11 years in prison. Rafiki, a 25-year-old silverback who was the head of a gorilla group in the southwestern Bwindi Impenetrable Forest National Park, was killed with a spear in early June. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2020 Hong Kong legislative election At least 12 Hong Kong pro-democracy nominees for the September election are disqualified, among them, Dennis Kwok, Joshua Wong, Tiffany Yuen, and three others from the Civic Party. Other nominations were still being reviewed, the government said in a statement expressing support for the disqualifications. (AP) Presidency of Donald Trump U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested November's presidential election could be postponed, saying increased postal voting could lead to fraud and inaccurate results. Under the U.S. Constitution, Trump does not have the authority to postpone the election himself; a delay would have to be approved by both houses of Congress. (BBC News) Science and technology Exploration of Mars The Mars 2020 mission carrying the Perseverance rover and Mars helicopter Ingenuity successfully launches atop an Atlas V rocket from Cape Canaveral SLC-41. (Space.com) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports 2019–20 NBA season The National Basketball Association season resumes at the ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex after a 141-day suspension due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The season resumes with the New Orleans Pelicans taking on the Utah Jazz. (People) (CBS Sports) A Saudi-backed consortium ends its bid to purchase Premier League team Newcastle United. The takeover bid was stalled due to concerns about Saudi Arabia's human rights record and the Kingdom's promotion of the pirate TV station beoutQ. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Bob Dearing

Article: Bob Dearing (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Jon698 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former member of the Mississippi Senate from 1980 to 2012 and 2016 to 2020. Jon698 (talk) 11:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Support The article itself seems pretty decent.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 01:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 01:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Withdrawal of US troops from Germany

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Article: United States European Command (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States Department of Defense announces the withdrawal of nearly twelve thousand troops from Germany and the relocation of the U.S. European Command from Stuttgart to Mons, Belgium. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Bzweebl (talk · give credit)
• Created by Brian0918 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: I think that the ITN community regularly underrates the significance of these great power machinations that don't immediately result in casualties. This is major NATO drama and a blow to US-German relations. The plan was announced earlier and I considered nominating it then, but this is the official confirmation and it increases the scope of the plan. Article is very poorly referenced and not yet updated, but I might work on that later and hopefully other interested individuals will as well. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm no expert but given that the Orange Lie Basket may well not be the POTUS in six months time, this may literally never happen, right? Happy to look at it when it's actioned. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's not a total pullout. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Foreign policy posturing with no certainty that this will actually happen. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment article is atrocious. It's in the news though, would have supported. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I think we need stronger evidence this has larger ramifications (without the media's CRYSTALBALLing here, we need evidence that it will). That's part of the problem with most stories around Trump that get nom is the claim "This is a big deal!" and yet we can't really back that up. --Masem (t) 23:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The US has troops stationed in over 100 countries around the world, including mine. Unless they are all being withdrawn, or at least those from a decent proportion of countries, it's not an appropriate item for ITN. Unless, of course, we want to see over 100 items in turn as they all get withdrawn. HiLo48 (talk) 23:30, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Comment If this actually follows through and some other EU countries (most likely Hungary considering Orban's support) join in, I'll consider changing my opinion. This might be the first step towards a EU army, which is huge deal if it materializes. Dantheanimator (talk) 00:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hong Kong opposition disqualification

Article: 2020 Hong Kong legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Government of Hong Kong disqualifies twelve pro-democracy candidates, who emerged from the first ever pro-democracy primaries, from running in upcoming legislative elections. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Government of Hong Kong disqualifies twelve pro-democracy candidates from running in upcoming legislative election.
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Bzweebl (talk · give credit)
• Created by Lmmnhn (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lmmnhn (talk · give credit), Ohconfucius (talk · give credit) and OceanHok (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: More major news out of Hong Kong- if you can't beat them, ban them. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment a question really, is the disqualification of those who oppose the regime a new thing, or has it happened before? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• It seems that in the previous election six candidates were disqualified for being pro-independence, but none for being pro-democracy. Someone who follows Hong Kong more closely can weigh in on whether this is truly unprecedented. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose China is a Communist police state. This is how they operate. In other news the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow morning. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• China is a police state, but it has not been communist since at least Deng Xiaoping. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• China might be, but Hong Kong wasn't. -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 05:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Maybe would have been more newsworthy ITN today had Donald not TRUMPED it by suggesting that US elections be delayed in their entirety. Albertaont (talk) 00:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Don't worry, that nom was snow closed in 23 minutes. We can keep this one open, maybe even stick it back into ongoing for two more months. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support: I don't think we should have it on ITN now because more people are going to be disqualified today, and even more is going to get disqualified tomorrow. The final number is likely to be way higher than 12. It is likely for most, if not all winners from the winners of the primaries to get disqualified. I am not sure how big it is for the world, but in Hong Kong context, the disqualification of several conservative democrats (those from Civic Party and Kenneth Leung), is shocking. The disqualification of incumbent lawmakers is unprecedent as well. OceanHok (talk) 04:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support They now announced that they will be postponing the elections for a year and so an entry covering these controversial developments would be appropriate. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Stretch to relate the delaying of elections to this. If they have already disqualified the candidates most threatening to the current administration, wouldn't make sense to delay elections for this reason. Elections in other countries have also been delayed to COVID, and there is a 2nd wave in HK right now bigger than their 1st one. Delay of elections needs to be discussed separately for ITN. Albertaont (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Andrew. A wider blurb about developments in Hong Kong would be notable. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing to see here, this is a logical enforcement action of the NatSec law. Those disqualified included pro-democracy activist Joshua Wong (from Reuters) – All one needs to know about the calibre of the 'disqualified' candidates, who are all too comfortable with violence if it suits their cause. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support, it might be unsurprising given what we've seen from China, but it's not normal at least for Hong Kong. And this isn't just some local election in a city like NYC; HK has a quasi-international status. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 15:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Notes: There is a separate article for the disqualification incident: 2020 Hong Kong LegCo candidates' disqualification controversy. OceanHok (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Current wording does not consider the fact that "traditional democrat" group have not been disqualified from running, nor even all the candidates in "localist/independence" camp. It looks like 12 of the total 31 democracy group candidates have been disqualified. If more are disqualified, then there is more support for ITN.104.243.98.96 (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• We had HK protest on ITN ongoing for ages. The larger story here is that HK no longer has a special status, China will do as it pleases. I don't really care if we post it one more time or not, but posting each step towards authoritarianism is the exact same as the Trump-ticker. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lee Teng-hui

Article: Lee Teng-hui (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, CNA, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Strike Eagle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First democratically elected President of Taiwan. Significant coverage. Article has a tag though. ƬheStrikeΣagle 15:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support – Article text looks more than adequate, although some sections need documentation (or condensation). – Sca (talk) 16:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose article far from adequate, ten whole paragraphs without a single reference. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose till references have been updated. There are specific locations which require citations. However, I am suspecting that there may be a mix of referencing from further reading sections. Otherwise, article seems ok and has been largely stable and improved (after comparing the 2010 more citation tag revision to current revision). – robertsky (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support Former presidents of countries go on this list Geographyinitiative (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  Not if their articles contain multiple BLP violations. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  So if it was a stub without those problems, it would be allowed? Tell me what to delete and I will delete it. Tell me what sentnce to add a source to, and I can add it. What other Presidents who died in the recent past have been held up on this pretext? Geographyinitiative (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  No, the article can be brief, but must be relatively comprehensive. Just deleting loads of it is not appropriate. Add sources to all sentences which aren't currently sourced. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  No, deleting unsourced material from Wikipedia is the only responsible course of action. If someone finds a source for something later, they can add that content whenever they find that source. The page should be ready now. First Democratically elected President of Taiwan (Republic of China) died, let's inform the people who look at the main page. Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Strong Support Should be a no-brainer given he was an influence figure and former head of state. Having an (subjectively) incomplete article shouldn't deter us from listing him on the front page. Also, article history suggests that people are actively trying to clean up the article (yes, I'm aware of editorialising, but this does not seem to be the case), so it should be sufficient in a few hours. In any case, this is a notable death. --AsianHippie (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Just as a note for the two !voters above, there is no need for us to argue about whether he's notable enough for recent deaths - all subjects with their own articles are eligible. The quality criterion is a bright line rule though, it can't be sidestepped just because we deem the person more important than others. Deleting prose isn't really acceptable either, unless you're sure it's wrong. As TRM says, go and find sourcing for what's there currently and then we can re-evaluate.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support Clearly notable figure. Article doesn't look worse than some other past RDs. Would be of genuine interest to wiki users even if not perfect. Albertaont (talk) 02:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support. I just added 7 sources to fill in the gaps. —  AjaxSmack  02:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose 10 paragraphs that do not end with a reference, some lacking a single reference. Stephen 03:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky and Stephen: Has the situation been corrected with the additional sourcing? On what grounds do you oppose telling the readers he died now? Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

On the grounds of it being a biography with unreferenced claims. Stephen 04:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky and Stephen: Such as? Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: 10 paragraphs that do not end with a reference, some lacking a single reference. Do you not understand what that means? Stephen 05:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Amakuru: @The Rambling Man: Changes have been made to the page. Are there any further obstacles to telling the readers that the former President of Taiwan died? Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Are there any remaining objections? Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  @Geographyinitiative: I have reverted your deletion of material from the article. Much of that material looks to be correct, and is important for the article - e.g. details on how he stepped down and who his successor was. We have established before at ITN that simply removing chunks of an article, even though they lack citations, is not a solution to objections raised here. Please go and find citations for the sections which are missing them, and than we can look again. As such, I still have to oppose for now. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 07:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  I remain in objection while uncited claims are made. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  @Geographyinitiative: As I have mentioned, the text is possibly supported by the book in the further reading section, judging from the preview in Google Books. I would like to do the citations myself today, but then the public libraries at where I am are closed for a holiday, barring myself from reading the book for the day. In the meantime, as many of us here have done so, we have been sourcing for alternative references to help support the claims here. Nonetheless, the parts of the article remains unsourced. – robertsky (talk) 08:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  @Robertsky: I believe it is morally unconscionable to add or restore material to a Wikipedia page for which you are not personally aware of the sources. Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  @Geographyinitiative: uh huh. I have to clarify that I wasn't the one who added or restore material. Did you even take a look at the edit history and find out who did it? However, I support the reversion and here's my 2 cents' worth on the matter, the text had been largely stable for at least decade or so. I would have assume that if there were any disputes about the veracity of the claims in the text, these would have been trashed out somehow somewhen, but had not cited either properly or explicitly the sources of the claims, which lead to the appearance of the text being underreferenced. By default, we should try to fix the problem here, failing which, we then remove the unverifiable text. Earlier in this entry, I did mention that the text may be supported by the book in the Further reading section, and this was based on the limited preview I read through Google Books, thus reinforcing my view that the content referencing could be fixed. It is demonstrably fixable since the reversion of your content removal with the subsequent edits done by various editors to include references from various sources. – robertsky (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support All we're doing with an RD entry is saying that the person is dead and so that's the only fact that matters. More general issues of article quality are not the business of ITN. If subjects are in the news then they will be getting lots of readers regardless – over 25K in this case yesterday. In such cases, Wikipedia therefore has to rely on its general policy of imperfection and the corresponding disclaimers which appear on the main page, just like every other page. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  No, BLP means we don't publicise articles about individuals completely steeped in unreferenced claims. It's very simple, and nothing to do with "imperfection". The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  The article in question is vital and is grade B class, which is quite good by Wikipedia standards. Attempting to impose separate and idiosyncratic standards is absurd because readers can and do read the article in large numbers regardless. The quality of the ITN section is reduced by such errors of omission. If the casual reader should happen to notice that RD is snubbing this prominent figure they are likely to suppose that this is bias – kowtowing to the PRC by failing to recognise Taiwan or just failing to notice someone because they are not UK/US. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  We discussed the "B grade" yesterday, remember? Anyway, WP:BLP trumps your concerns to rush horrendously under-sourced material to the main page of encyclopedia. I'm not sure how many times we have to tell you the same thing. If you disagree with how ITN functions, start an RFC to use it as a shop window for unsourced and sub-standard articles. Until then, repeating the same argument time and again but doing nothing about it is a waste of everyone's time. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  WP:BLP is quite irrelevant because the subject is dead and the article is being read in large numbers regardless. All that's happening here is putting a brief link into RD so all this huffing and puffing is hyperbole. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  Perhaps you need to read the policy before making such erroneous claims. In fact, if ITN was to follow your two main paradigms (1 – post popular stories irrespective of their encyclopedic value, 2 – post articles regardless of their quality and verifiability) I think we'd end up with the Daily Mail on the front page. Nein danke. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  The sources supplied for this above are the New York Times; CNA; and Reuters. Simply providing a link to a death reported by these reliable sources is not a big deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:03, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  You still haven't read the policy. Don't just cherry-pick. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Changing to support - I have found citations for almost everything now, and others have amended bits of text, also with cites, so I think this is finally ready to go now. I'll not post immediately, just in case anyone spots any lingering problems but marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  Yeah, I'd say it's satis now, good work. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD - no objections after I marked it ready, and it seems that all reasons for opposing are cleared now.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Herman Cain

Article: Herman Cain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose a couple of citation needed tags, otherwise seems satis. I wondered what happened to him, RIP. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  John M Wolfson, no cn tags left. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support Multiple news outlets have now confirmed his death. [12], [13], [14] - Jgeorge20 —Preceding undated comment added 15:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support Seems to be a direct result of the Tulsa rally. Sad! Davey2116 (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support x 9-9-9 pbp 15:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Posted by Valereee. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Blurb? Not for his death alone, but for the fact that he is, I believe, now the biggest celebrity to die of COVID-19 who wasn't an octogenarian or otherwise already sick. BD2412 T 01:53, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Absolutley not, particularly given there wasn't consensus to post John Lewis, who, in the same "field", was significantly much more influential. --Masem (t) 01:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  John Lewis was not a pizza lobby chairman. Herman Cain was not a civil rights congressman. But as old black cable news subjects, yeah, Lewis was bigger. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:49, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

  • He was a septuagenarian... -- Rockstone^{[Send me a message!]} 05:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • You obviously don't rate actual world leaders... —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:37, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Brigade Piron according to the Burundian government, he died of a cardiac attack, not exactly COVID-19. However, if I remember correctly, the health minister of Zimbabwe died from COVID a few days ago. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) July 2020 Afghanistan attacks

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Article: July 2020 Afghanistan attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine Taliban militants, including two leaders, are killed by security forces during clashes in Ghazni Province, Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following clashes in Ghazni Province, Afghanistan, 9 Taliban militants are left dead.
News source(s): [15];
Credits:

• Nominated by Dantheanimator (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jim Michael (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cerberon-900 (talk · give credit), Garmin21 (talk · give credit) and Jim Michael (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A bit short but with some work I think it'll make it. This is my first image nom so if I made a mistake, please correct me. Dantheanimator (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - thanks for the nom, but the article isn't really in a suitable state for posting now. It has no lead and sections so is not really structured correctly, and also no proper prose - it's just a bulleted list of timeline entries. Also, I'd have to question the significance of it... regrettable though it is, unless I'm mistaken incidents of this nature are commonplace in Afghanistan. What is particularly notable about this one, compared with all the others at Category:2020 murders in Afghanistan and related pages? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as the article is really a list of discrete sentences. Out of curiosity, what's the relevance of the mountain image? ——Serial 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54129 The mountain image is an image taken from Ghazni Province, which where the incident occurred. I personally though put the image with the nom because I think it's just breathtaking and cool. It is one of those natural wonders you don't see often in my opinion. Dantheanimator (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping back. I've scratched my oppose as the issue I raised has been dealt with. I agree it's a great picture, but it's too tangential to the reader to be of any particular use to the reader, I'm afraid. (That's only my opinion though.) ——Serial 19:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Two stub tags are present at the bottom of this article. Also, there isn't any prose in it.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 17:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Support This article now have proses and is sufficiently sized. However, the image doesn't really correlate to the attacks in Afghanistan.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 18:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Comment Updated my post after the image is gone.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 21:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Working on adding prose in the background section and modifying the format. Will try my best to make this a suitable article. Would appreciate assistance from any veteran editors. Dantheanimator (talk) 17:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Wait lets give the OP time to turn this into our run-of-the-mill disaster stub like the bus plunge or South Sudan attacks before shutting it down with a wall of opposes. Killing two Taliban leaders might generate a few paragraphs of prose. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

LaserLegs "like the bus plunge or South Sudan attacks" You meant to say Sudan attacks, not South Sudan attacks. It a very easy mistake that I also made it lots of time before. I think it helps if you remember that Darfur is in Sudan and that Sudan has arguably more violence than South Sudan. Otherwise, I guess just think of the desert when you think of Darfur (when I think of desert, Sudan comes more naturally to me than South Sudan, which is sub-Saharan). Dantheanimator (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

My apologies. I also confuse the Carolinas. Sorry about that. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. :) I do the same mistakes all the time. Once last year in my history class I confused Siberia with Serbia lol. We all make mistakes, just human. Dantheanimator (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Serial Number 54129, LaserLegs, Amakuru, AlphaBeta135, I fixed the lead and changed the timeline to prose. I think it should be now or near ready. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Pretty close. Try expanding the infobox with a map. There is an example here. If you have a quote from Ghani you can put it in a reactions section and it'll be good to go. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you LaserLegs for all the help and support! I added a map using your sample and a statement by Ghani. It looks ready. Dantheanimator (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Finished fixing and expanding the article. I'll remove the image since there is opposition toward it. It's a pity though, was hoping this great image can be displayed on the homepage. Dantheanimator (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support A string of attacks in short succession is probably notable article is as good as the Darfur attack. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose- Source does not demonstrate notability of the event. Not even the deadliest attack in Afghanistan this week, and just because it's the bad guys getting killed doesn't make it more newsworthy. Practically no information is available about the importance of these "leaders." Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Bzweebl would it help if you compared it to the Darfur attacks (which are posted) or even the Anshun bus plunge? Regarding the info on the "leaders", I doubt the Taliban or really most if any "terrorist" organization would divulge that sort of sensitive info. If I made an alt-blurb that combined the Puli Alam explosion and this would you reconsider? Dantheanimator (talk) 03:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

This particular attack was not covered in most major international news sources. That should be enough to disqualify it. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:53, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Close support for this will not develop anytime soon. Dantheanimator (talk) 18:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Donald Trump calls for the US election to be delayed indefinitely

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Article: 2020 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump calls for the 2020 United States presidential election to be delayed indefinitely (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Count Iblis (talk) 13:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose a mere statement (on Twitter!) from Trump. Iff the election is actually postponed, that could be worth posting on ITN. Political posturing is not. Let's wait to see what happens. Modest Genius ^talk 13:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose more nonsense from the orange wonder. Once it's postponed, we can re-visit. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose ITN is not a Trump ticker.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:27, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Huawei

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Articles: Huawei (talk · history · tag) and Samsung (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese mobile brand Huawei becomes the leading mobile smartphone brand in the world surpassing Samsung in the overseas sales during second quarter of 2020 amid the COVID-19 pandemic. (Post)
News source(s): CNN; CNBC;
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A prominent news in technology Abishe (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't post "routine" business news. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment another one I'd be willing to consider with a better target article (maybe Smartphone#Sales) and a more subdue blurb. With respect to John we post routine sports, routine weather, routine politics, we can post routine business too if it's in the news and has an article worthy of putting on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  • With the exception of politics, we don't post "routine" (as opposed to recurrent) examples of any of those, just important stuff such as storms and championships. Likewise with business, this is material for Forbes and not the ITN section. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose trivia. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Far too limited of a market segement. If we were talking of all businesses regardless of market, maybe. --Masem (t) 15:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook face anti-trust charges

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Articles: Google (talk · history · tag) and Amazon (company) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American tech giant companies Google, Amazon, Apple Inc. and Facebook are questioned before Congress for alleged harmful power and anti-competitive strategies to quash potential competitors in the market. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; CNN;
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A prominent news in technology Abishe (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't post Congressional testimonies; even if this were a court of law we'd wait until the conviction or plea deal. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment it's in the news, I'd be willing to consider it but the articles are huge. "Criticism of Google" has a dedicated article for goodness sake. If you want to start an article Endless whining about big tech by Donald Trump or similar and detail the years long saga, and write a less flamboyant blurb, it might stand a chance of posting. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppsoe realy? Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Legislatures around the world hear testimony every day. Nothing special about this one. Modest Genius ^talk 11:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per John M Wolfson. Em-mustapha ^talk 11:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose if they are convicted of something, let's post that. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Stonehenge

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Article: Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The source of the sarsens of Stonehenge (pictured) is discovered (Post)
News source(s): BBC; Guardian; South China Morning Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by David Crayford (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Science in the summer sunshine – the story has good assonance Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose sadly much of the article is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:20, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Lots of projects have an interest in the topic and they mostly grade it as B-class which one would have thought was good enough for ITN. As the topic is level 4 vital, this is a good opportunity to push it up a level. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Sadly no, the B class/"vital" level 4 is irrelevant here. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Compare with the current blurbs. 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal and 2020 Twitter bitcoin scam are C class. 2020 Darfur attacks is just start class. Anyway, I found a few {{citation needed}} and I've taken care of them. The article now has over a hundred citations and a huge bibliography. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think Stonehenge would be a very worthy front page article link. But I guess the news story might be bigger if you live in Marlborough. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you've proved your own point to be incorrect, we don't pay heed to the "class" or whether some individual has deemed it "vital", we look at the quality of the article standalone from those arcane practices. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Well done Andrew for proving your own point to be incorrect. I often seem to manage that. But then I'm all too fond of those arcane practices. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose not particularly significant, although a good story. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 09:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Always great to see assonance on the front page. How about "The secret source of the stunning sarsens of Stonehenge suddenly shown"? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Question: has this research been published in a peer-reviewed journal? The Guardian story says 'published on Wednesday' but doesn't say where, and the BBC doesn't mention it. It's an interesting story, but peer review should be a minimum requirement before we even think about article quality. Modest Genius ^talk 11:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  Science Advances here. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  Thanks to Martin for those links. It's good that the paper was published under a CC licence so that we are free to read it for ourselves. The authors were charged $4,500 for this publication so we should count our blessings that the WMF doesn't charge us thousands of dollars to publish articles in Wikipedia too. We just have our own bureaucratic barriers to deal with ... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  Support. Thanks, that's a very nice paper and the results are convincing. Article quality seems fine to me - it would be nice if there were more explicit footnotes, but all controversial statements seem to be suitably sourced. Modest Genius ^talk 12:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as trivia, except for Chevy Chase. ——Serial 12:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Note that the story does have a quirky US angle to it: "Employee Robert Phillips kept it in pride of place in his office, which he later took with him when he emigrated to the US, and its existence remained unknown for six decades." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as a minor mystery solved but changes little of our understanding of Stonehenge. (I'd love a main page section that's not quite DYK, not quite ITN for these nice quirky tidbits, but this qualifies for neither). --Masem (t) 15:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is fine ITN material of high encyclopedic value revolving around a resolved mystery summarised in a nice scientific paper. I wish we had more similar stories nominated for the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per above. Comment If anybody is planning to ever go to stonehenge, I strongly advise you against going. The Avebury Stone Circles are older, larger, and cheaper than Stonehenge and are also located in the UK. Dantheanimator (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• Handy alternative: can recommend a lovely field in the Savernake Forest. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

• No, I went to Stonehenge, got there early, was the only person walking around. It was beautiful and inspiring. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  It is actually possible to see Stonehenge for free using a public footpath which runs nearby, if you're prepared to walk a little away from the nearest parking spots! I wouldn't agree that it's not worth visiting anyway. Avebury's nice too (I've been to both in the past) but it doesn't have the cross beams that make Stonehenge so recognisable...  — Amakuru (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

This is completely off topic, but I agree that Avebury is more impressive than Stonehenge. Nevertheless it's still worth visiting both - they're only a few miles apart and easy to visit on the same afternoon. Modest Genius ^talk 20:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

"Stonehenge B&B" at Slades Farm: reasonable rates. Hippies welcome. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Very interesting, thanks everyone for the insight. I personally have never been to the UK or Western Europe so I had no clue of their close proximity. Going to be honest though I still think Avebury's got more going for it. Dantheanimator (talk) 01:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Bah! Just a cheap imitation. Some of Avebury's stones are made of concrete! Martinevans123 (talk) 06:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• I'm surprised no one has brought up Castlerigg in all this. Nice and secluded. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment there are numerous unreferenced paragraphs, several unreferenced sections and multiple unreferenced claims. If we want to start using ITN as a shop-front for articles which need improvement then I'll support. I don't think that's part of the current ITN criteria, so until then this can't be featured. I realise there's a gut instinct to want to feature something as notable as Stonehenge, almost by default, but as we all know, the sheer number of refs is somewhat irrelevant when large portions of teh article have no references. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support- science stories are underrepresented and, unusually for such stories, this is of popular interest. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not front-page worthy compared to the scientific discoveries or revelations we feature - it confirmed a "suspicion" according to archaeologist Susan Greaney. -- Fuzheado | Talk 11:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Outside of anglo-centricism, no relevance whatsoever for ITN. Does not advance our understanding of science or culture. To compare, Mars probes were 10x more interesting, and that was nearly SNOW closed.Albertaont (talk) 00:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Stonehenge is a World Heritage Site and so of interest to the entire world. And the estimate of 10 times is quite mistaken. Consider the readership for the last week. Stonehenge got more peak readership than any of the three Mars missions and more than any of the three ITN blurbs too. ITN's selection of blurbs is of appalling quality, failing to reflect what's actually in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

• Andrew Davidson I agree with you that this should be accepted but can you please stop using page views as evidence? Also, there are many UNESCO sites around the world, no different with this one. There also much worser/larger stuff happening with other UNESCO sites, like Virunga National Park, a UNESCO cite in the DRC, which was attacked yesterday! I feel like your looking at the news through your own lens, maybe try looking it through some individual in the Eastern world and see whats in the news for them. It's certainly not Stonehenge or other Western cultural items. Dantheanimator (talk) 02:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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References

Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax [http://example.com] rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process.

For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents: