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This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section – it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

Alberto Fujimori in 1991
Alberto Fujimori in 1991

Glossary

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
  2. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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Tropical Cyclone Seroja

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Article: Cyclone Seroja (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Cyclone Seroja makes landfall on the Western Australian coast (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, SBS News, The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major weather event; same cyclone that impacted Timor-Leste and Indonesia (also listed on News) JMonkey2006 (talk) 00:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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2021 Masters Tournament

Article: 2021 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Hideki Matsuyama wins the Masters Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): CNN–B/R, USA Today
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: Uyghur genocide

Article: Uyghur genocide (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, USA Today
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Both "continuously updated" and "frequently in the news." Article is "regularly updated with new, pertinent information" – judging by the page's history, updates are added nearly every day to detail the evolving situation. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't change that it wasn't on ITN in the past. The fact of the matter is, as you said, that it's ongoing. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, ongoing like the Israeli–Palestinian_conflict and Darfur genocide and Rohingya genocide and Somali Civil War and War in Afghanistan (2001–present) and Syrian Civil War...let's permalist all those too. Yes the world is a dark place. TarkusABtalk/contrib 18:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – This has been a significant news item over the past week. Turkey summoned the Chinese Ambassador and issuing what at least one expert called the "most public rebuke of China in more than a decade." (For context, Erdogan accused China of committing genocide against the Uyghurs in 2009). China released a musical as a part of an intense propaganda campaign to deny its human rights abuses against ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang (a quote used in the NYT article was declared to be the NYT Quotation of the Day.) China has been intensifying its attacks against Uyghurs and Uyghur allies overseas, China has sentenced Uyghur officials to death, France is seeing a court case filed against multinationals relating to labor rights abuses in Xinjiang, and there are public discussions among the United States and its allies regarding whether or not to boycott the Winter Olympics, earning a response from Beijing. The Uyghur genocide is indisputably in the news, and it is one of the biggest stories currently. I believe that the article would be certainly fitting for inclusion here. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 08:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is high quality and fully cited, but I have to question the word "genocide", as it's not completely agreed on (the BBC article states it's an allegation, for example), and it's not comprehensive enough about what's happening; I think the term "persecution" should be used for the title instead. Is there any reason against this, or should I suggest a rename? The article is also one-sided, with mostly commentary from activists and NGOs, and little commentary from China or its allies; you don't need to believe it (I don't), but it has to be given in the article. Uses x (talkcontribs) 09:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Uses x, this title was very recently decided on in an extensive talk page discussion, which resulted in a one-year moratorium. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@AllegedlyHuman That was changing the name from "Uyghur cultural genocide" to "Uyghur genocide". None of the titles the article has had or have been suggested, giving five in total, have used the word "persecution", so my point hasn't been discussed yet. The moratorium isn't an endorsement of the current name, so "If it becomes clear in the intervening 12 months that a better name exists" I can suggest it on the talk page, but that would take over seven days so I can't support the current nomination anyway, unless I'm convinced "genocide" is the widely-accepted term. Uses x (talkcontribs) 09:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See FAQ point two: "If I wish to rename the page, should I go ahead and open a move request?" "No." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Uses x (talkcontribs) 09:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: The title "Persecution of Uyghurs" was proposed in a February 2021 move request, which resulted in not moved, with nobody other than the nominator supporting it. The discussion was not as lengthy as the April 1 move discussion, but there was still a consensus present not to move the page. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 18:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mikehawk10 "was not as lengthy" - that's an understatement if I've ever heard one. The singular oppose doesn't deal with what I said, as the IP user who suggested it didn't give any kind of rationale for the change, and the current name was based on other factors ("cultural genocide" vs. "genocide"), so I'm not convinced.
Take a look at the talk page for the recent rename, and tell me there isn't a huge amount of personal research and WP:ACTIVISM there. Remember, the editors who are even involved in article re-naming are usually those involved in the article itself (and look at the sheer number of now banned, recently registered, and IP users in that bunch), so talk page concensus doesn't necessarily equal ITN concensus. Uses x (talkcontribs) 19:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that there is some activism going on that has led to breaches of the WP:NPA policy (such as this edit). I also think that Go Phightins!, the administrator who closed the most recent move discussion (which once again found an affirmative consensus to keep the page at Uyghur genocide), correctly closed things in a way that reflects consensus achieved on the article talk. Obviously, there can be different local consensuses in different places when there is no global consensus, so talk page consensus doesn't necessarily equal ITN consensus. That being said, it seems that the proper place to challenge article neutrality is in the article talk itself, not a separate venue, as this would help to keep the discussions on the article in a consistent place that editors can more easily discover and engage with. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 22:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - for article subject and overall article quality. Any concerns raised though should probably be fixed before posting.BabbaQ (talk) 09:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Uses x. As long as this article is calling something a "genocide" despite reliable sources not yet referring to it as such, it's not suitable for inclusion on the main page. The closer of the recent RM acknowledged that the title was problematic, but appears to have closed it as "not moved" on the grounds that no better title has been proposed. That may be the case, but it doesn't make the current title suddenly OK. I also agree with TarkusAB's oppose - this tragedy did not begin recently, it's been going since 2014, and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight - if we put it up, then we're basically saying it's going to be up for the next five years. There haven't been significant new developments in the past week and it's unclear why this is being proposed now rather than at any other time.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree that "there haven't been significant new developments in the past week" per Mikehawk10. And as the nominator, I'll tell you frankly: I nominated it now because I thought of it now. Should it have been nominated in the past? Probably, but I can't go back and change that. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK that's fair enough, you thought of it now, and my point is not to say that nothing has happened recently. This is an "ongoing" event in the sense that terrible things are happening to people on the ground on a daily basis. I'm not belittling it at all. But as tragic and concerning as that is, that isn't what the ITN "Ongoing" section is all about. There are several ongoing conflicts and tragedies in the world right now - the never-ending wars in the middle-east, the War in Donbass, unrest in Venezuela, the persecution of Rohingyas, wars in Africa etc. etc. But the question is whether anything going on those conflicts amounts to global breaking news that we might consider posting as an individual story. When I do a Google news search for "Uighur" I don't see anything that would ever be considered as an ITN story in its own right. And honestly, from personal experience as someone who reads the UK news, nothing on this has crossed my radar this week. That may be a fault in the way international outlets are reporting it, but it's also not our job to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Please do not accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't accused anyone of anything. I'm saying that we shouldn't push an obviously non-neutral article into ITN that parrots the US State Department's allegations. Those allegations are widely contested, not least by the US State Department's own legal advisors. See, for example, this article, which describes how the political appointees at the US State Department ignored the legal advisors and accused China of genocide. The article Uyghur genocide puts extreme claims into Wikivoice, despite the fact that reliable sources describe these claims as allegations. This is not the sort of content that we should be pushing onto the front page. -Thucydides411 (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You essentially called me and every support voter a fed for daring to think that a current genocide is in fact major world news. Now, I have a pretty thick skin, but you ought to strike that remark for those who don't. If you have concerns about neutrality, oppose on that principle and, if you're really so concerned about the article's current form, I would strongly encourage you to follow up on it by taking it to the article's talk page, making a better encyclopedia for all. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 12:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per reliable sources, these are allegations of genocide, made by the US State Department, contradicting its own legal advisors. There's a difference between allegations and facts, and it's important to note this distinction on Wikipedia. Putting an unproven (and heavily contested) allegation in Wikivoice is bad enough. We shouldn't then push this non-neutral material to the front page. -Thucydides411 (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Besides for the Chinese government nobody appears to be contesting the allegations of human rights abuses, WP:RS have confirmed the allegations as far as they have been able to. Also just FYI the page name predates that US State Department designation as you well know because you participated in the naming discussion, your personal attacks are inaccurate as well as hurtful. Just because you personally don’t agree with a community consensus does not mean you can disrespect it or lie about it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
64 UN member states have signed a declaration rejecting the allegations - far more than have supported them. Even the US State Department's own legal advisors advised that the accusation was unsupported by the evidence, but they were overruled by the political appointees. RS specifically describe "genocide" as an allegation in this case, and attribute the allegation to the specific parties making it, as has been shown over and over again at Talk:Uyghur_genocide. The fact that reliable sources report that allegations have been made does not mean that those allegations are true, as the Iraq WMD fiasco illustrates. -Thucydides411 (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, usually edits or discussions which aim to sway an article to pro-Chinese or anti-Western views are quite often met with "CCP trolls" or "wumao". I'm not saying that we should be allowing accusations of ethnocentrism, but we should be careful about applying double standards especially on a Euro and American centric website if we are to aim for a clear, balanced and worldwide take on topics. 58.167.153.79 (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - (1) per Uses x. The article name is contested, (2) Not particularly in the news (looked on the front and "world news" pages of several major news organisations and searched for "Uyghur" with no hits. AntiVan (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the CPC isn't going to stop because we stuck this article in ongoing. It will continue for generations until the Uyghur people are assimilated, exterminated, or driven out and the region repopulated with Han Chinese. Are we really going to leave this in the box that long? It's akin to putting Climate Change or Israeli–Palestinian_conflict into the box it is never ever ever going to stop. Nominate the occasional "blurb-worthy" event instead please. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Nominate the "blurb-worthy" event instead please. Otherwise we end up filling the infobox with ongoing events, like Rohingya genocide,Yemeni Genocide all of which are current. When US designated a genocide in January 2021, that was a good point for "blurb-worthy" nomination. Albertaont (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Same old allegations do not qualify as "ongoing" for ITN. STSC (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As far as I could see the only legitimate support is from the nominator itself and Mikehawk10. All other supports other than that doesn't clearly state the reasoning. The oppose section raised various concerns regarding the neutrality of the article title and the content, and the fact that putting in on ongoing is an act of WP:RGW as the event itself has been going on for several years and the recent coverage is just about the "expose" part. One IP user pointed out to balance the take of the topics.
Meanwhile, the only support for this ongoing based it on the fact that there has been continuous widespread coverage over the past week. Judging through the refutations of the nominator on oppose comments, the nominator nominates this item due to the continuous development of the event's article in Wikipedia and the recent widespread coverage. The nominator refutes the neutrality allegation put forward by the oppose, stating that the matter has been discussed for a while and there is a moratorium for that. The nominator recommends whoever questioned the support to bring it up on the talkpage.
Judging by the weight of both opinions, I oppose the notion of nominating this item for ongoing. The continuous coverage of the event is only for the various actions of nation in response to the event and not for the existence of the event itself. Other than that, I believe that this article is sufficiently neutral due to the continuous consensus. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Ramsey Clark

Article: Ramsey Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/us/politics/ramsey-clark-dead.html
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. Attorney General &c; significant figure and substantial article, some refs missing. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Issues were addressed. Hanamanteo (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not a factor for an RD; all people with articles are important enough to post. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My personal iVotes on these issues takes notability into primary consideration. Just because someone nominates someone who played one professional game of football but has a cracker-jack polished page doesn't mean I'll be coming by to support an RD. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooookay, but editors have raised legitimate concern about this page's current quality, the (agreed upon by consensus) sole issue for an RD. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What is an iVote? Is that the Spanish version of !vote? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Si. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If one is disgruntled with RD criteria, take it up at an appropriate venue, this is not it. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just read the novella-length RfC and discussions, and it seems that the close of the RfC is far from supportive of the criteria without criteria expansion. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If what you're saying is that you think regular ITN users have misinterpreted the RFC linked to every RD proposal, then that's something to take up higher than this individual nom; I would suggest Wikipedia talk:In the news. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The RfC close accepts the criteria as defined but seems to ask for further refinement. If someone can come up with a coherent sentence portion to add to it then your advice is appropriate. Randy Kryn (talk) 06:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn ... that's the literal point of RD. Anyone (and I mean anyone) who has a Wikipedia page is eligible for RD, which you can read on the text of the nomination itself. You don't need to come by if you don't support that, the regular contributors here will manage. Uses x (talkcontribs) 06:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the close of the RfC which asks for further criteria refinement in addition to article quality. This has been done in the case of inclusion of animals, yet it seems that the need for additional language to address other good faith concerns hasn't as yet been fully addressed and resolved. Randy Kryn (talk) 06:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn It has already been refined. Wikipedia:In_the_news#Article_quality, and the article doesn't meet that. And remember, if there are citation needed tags it means no one has put much effort into fact-checking the article, so the citations that are present likely haven't been verified. Uses x (talkcontribs) 07:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've sorted out most of the citation needed tags, the only two bits missing are two dates (both tagged) that are not particularly important, and that's fine according to the critera. Pinging everyone who was also opposed, in case you don't see the update: @Hanamanteo, AllegedlyHuman, The Rambling Man, Joseywales1961, and Pawnkingthree:
Changing to Support as issues were addressed throughout the day JW 1961 Talk 21:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Listed by French & German Wikis' RDs. – Sca (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca Take a look at those pages, and you'll be able to say why those got posted yourself. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Always amusing to see how poor the de. and fr.wiki standards are for BLPs. Something we should definitely not aspire to. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Grand National

Article: 2021 Grand National (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Minella Times wins the Grand National, with Rachael Blackmore becoming the first woman to win the race in its 180-year history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Minella Times wins the Grand National, with Rachael Blackmore becoming the first woman jockey winner in the races 180-year history.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In horse racing, Minella Times wins the Grand National, with Rachael Blackmore becoming the first female jockey to win in the race's 180-year history.
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It's already ITNR, but the "first female winner" would justify it regardless. Sceptre (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I tagged in this? L1amw90 (talk) 17:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You've made significant contributions to the article so people think it reasonable to credit you with doing so. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:38, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Riders come off at a jump, it's the only reason and so common and expected to be unremarkable. Kingsif (talk) 18:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is not the only reason a horse fails to finish, and you know it. We are covering an historic event, so the info should be there for those in the future to be able to read. Mjroots (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is the only reason. I mean, if they have to shoot a horse, I hope the rider's come off it by then. Which is the disqualifying factor. Kingsif (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull. I have to agree with the above. The event is noteworthy enough, but the article is insufficient. The horse's article is also a redirect (to the race) and the jockey's article is a stub. -- Calidum 22:04, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Nikki Grahame

Article: Nikki Grahame (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BabbaQ (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a reason to Oppose on ITN. Secondly, you obviously has not read the article.BabbaQ (talk) 09:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the article had over 300.000 views yesterday.BabbaQ (talk) 11:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because admit it, she was popular back in the days and that was the last series of BB I've watched. 86.9.227.81 (talk) 12:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great; not a valid reason to oppose. Read the notice at the bottom of the tan box. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 12:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ross Young (politician)

Article: Ross Young (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Late-middle-aged statesman, technically. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Aten (city)

Article: Aten (city) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The lost city of Aten is discovered in the Theban necropolis (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Archaeologists announce the discovery of the ancient Egyptian city of Aten.
News source(s): Nat Geo, CNN, Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Described as the "second most important archeological discovery since the tomb of Tutankhamun" Onceinawhile (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Provisionally oppose on quality, support on significance. Whoa, this is big news, but I'll withhold my support until after the article is improved to post-able quality. Osunpokeh (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD only) RD: DMX

Proposed image
Article: DMX (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American rapper DMX (pictured) dies at the age of 50. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American rapper DMX (pictured) dies at the age of 50 following a week of hospitalization.
News source(s): LA Times, Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, XXL
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sadly, it has now been confirmed. 50. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article is currently full-protected, so I literally can't. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, bloody ridiculous to have it fully protected. Shambles. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:25, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I pinged the protecting admin, who dropped it back to semiprotection. Edit away. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The likes of TIME and USA Today called him a “legendary rapper” who “changed hip-hop forever”. On top of his number-one albums breaking Billboard records. So a transformative career is irrevocably the case. Trillfendi (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Article looks good enough for RD. A cleanup is due for the 'Legal issues', but it's acceptable. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Masem and Uses x: Nice4What has now removed claims that were missing citations from the article. Would you mind taking another look? Thanks. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
AllegedlyHuman Done, the article is acceptable for RD. Thanks for the ping. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Two major things that are still a problem: All of the Apperances need to be sourced (standard for any actor), and I'd beg the question if we need to detail every arrest/time in jail in "Legal Issues"; that he was frequently arrested and in jail is summarized in the lede, and if there were any major notable ones, those can be mentioned but it is highly inappropriate to post a rap sheet for a BLP/BRDP. --Masem (t) 17:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Where does the guidelines say the deceased must be "notable enough outside the US for a blurb"? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not speaking for Connor, but as I read it, that was a kind way of saying "he might have been blurbworthy at his peak based on US popularity, but not when you think of all rappers globally". Of course, Connor might be saying "people outside the US don't listen to good rap" or something... Kingsif (talk) 00:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The chart peaks in DMX discography show hotness in Canada and not bad at all elsewhere after 2001. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Needs referencing. When ready, Support RD only: I thought I knew music, but I have never heard of him. Anecdotal evidence? Sure, but in a rapper hierarchy of who might possibly get a blurb one day (currently opining none), he's not even on the list. Kingsif (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, Support RD Had he died a decade earlier, may have justified a blurb. Has been out of limelight. Albertaont (talk) 00:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, support RD - At no point in his life was he anywhere near important enough for a blurb. Claims that he was a household name are ridiculous. Try mentioning DMX to elderly relatives - they won't even know there was a person known as DMX, let alone that he was a rapper. Jim Michael (talk) 01:04, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm sure the elderly would have actively avoided any such kind of "that hip hop music", just as I'm sure many free-spirit young punk whippersnappers would have avoided any sign of fealty to those monarchists in England. Singling out one group or another to determine what's important to society overall is myopic. (I doubt most of those grannies would have even heard of Kanye.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Millions of young people don't care about Prince Philip's death, but they know who he was. (By the way, I'm opposed to him having a blurb as well, but realised long before he died that there'd be a strong consensus for a blurb.) Ask your octogenarian/nonagenarian (grand)mother/(grand)father/(great-)aunt/(great-)uncle what (s)he thinks about DMX & (s)he won't even know you're talking about a person, let alone a rapper. Jim Michael (talk) 07:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, you said that before. And as I said before, it's a ludicrous argument. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's relevant in refuting the claims that he was a household name. Most people haven't heard of him. Jim Michael (talk) 09:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
When it comes to American rap, something that most people have no interest in. Being a household name means being very well-known across all demographics. Someone merely being well-known in their field isn't sufficient for them to have a blurb - they need to be at the top of it. Jim Michael (talk) 07:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The bar here is "transformative", not "top". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In what way(s) was DMX transformative? Jim Michael (talk) 09:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, doing a cursory glance through what Wikipedia has to say on rap music, it's about 90% one and the same as "American rap music", especially in the period DMX was most notable. (Sorry, UK drill.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:28, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do not say "support RD" when you are merely opposing the blurb. Support RD means you think the quality is sufficient to post now. On that subject, I think we have enough oppose blurb votes - it will not happen. Lets just focus on getting the RD ready. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Have finished referencing the filmography and awards. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 02:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • plus Posted RD "Legal issues" could use work, but no consensus that NPOV concerns there preclude posting.—Bagumba (talk) 03:19, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, only. While it may be true that "By late Friday afternoon there was one death dominating the most-read stories on the BBC website: that of the rapper DMX", [3] even if mistakes have been made with other blurbs, no need to compound them, and the article is fine for RD. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-RD posting support RD oppose blurb - Article is in good condition for RD. Tom Petty situation here - excellent music, premature death reports unfortunately bringing his actual death a bit more into the media spotlight, but just below the blurb line IMO. -- a lad insane (channel two) 18:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mahyuddin N. S.

Article: Mahyuddin N. S. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Governor of South Sumatra for five months and member of parliament for five years. COVID-19. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) La Soufrière eruption

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Article: La Soufrière (volcano) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: La Soufrière erupts in Saint Vincent, causing the evacuation of close to 20,000 people. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Associated Press
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Many people evacuated, volcano hasn't erupted in 42 years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 15:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now; information in the target article is exactly identical to the blurb. Unless we have something more to tell people in directing them to the article in question, there's no reason for an ITN posting. Please expand the article with sufficient information about the eruption, and then we can look at assessing those additions for their quality. Right now there's basically nothing there. --Jayron32 15:17, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Bueno. --Jayron32 18:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been updated / expanded. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 16:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as blurb) RD: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

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Article: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Prince Philip (pictured), the Duke of Edinburgh and the consort of Queen Elizabeth II, dies at the age of 99. (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of the British royal family, husband to the Queen. 99 and was notably in declining health before now. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • But if you really want "transformative in his field", he was a commander of the Royal Navy and literally helped invent a modern-day equestrian sport and the premier award for encouraging community spirit in young people internationally. In short, I'd expect the same treatment for any equivalent figure, though there are none (internationally impactful constitutional monarchy, military career, charitable career, dynastic longevity, etc). Kingsif (talk) 11:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Support RD only We don't post blurbs for the deaths of consorts (a recent example is the death of Henrik, Prince Consort of Denmark) and I don't see how this person transformed any relevant field. Blurbs are not reserved for public figures per se.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:IMAGEQUALITY is relevant: "A biography should lead with a portrait photograph of the subject alone, not with other people." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 12:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd set that rule to anyone with a death article but that's yet a two-edged sword. People will fight to work up such articles in order to make the nominations qualify but, on the other hand, we'll probably end up with an increased number of RfDs on notability grounds as a result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Mjroots, I don't think this meets the spirit of WP:WHEEL, Stephen reverted Fuzheado because he saw consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WHEEL: Wheel warring is when an administrator's action is reversed by another administrator, but rather than discussing the disagreement, administrator tools are then used in a combative fashion to undo or redo the action: Fuzheado reverted. OK. Stephen reverted. Wheel. —Bagumba (talk) 12:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both Fuzheado's second action, and Stephen's action, were technically WHEEL. It might be a good idea to stop there for the time being unless there's a clear consensus to change it, I think. Black Kite (talk) 13:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Black Kite. Let it end there, rather than everyone heading on over to WP:DRAMAFEST. Mjroots (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Currently from the article: "The Duke will not be given a state funeral, which are usually reserved for monarchs." Great job everybody at being objective and consistent. 2601:602:9200:1310:F45F:78EC:5FDB:B9CD (talk) 09:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(New) RD: Joye Hummel

Article: Joye Hummel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (April 8). —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jovan Divjak

Article: Jovan Divjak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Avaz
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Top-ranking ethnic Serb in the Bosnian Army during the Bosnian WarAllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD only) RD: Phillip Adams (American football)

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Article: Phillip Adams (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former professional American football player Phillip Adams (pictured) kills five people and injures one in a shooting in Rock Hill, South Carolina, and then kills himself. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Major news. If consensus is to post to RD rather than blurb, I would suggest disambiguating as Phillip Adams has a primary topic (per the recent discussion re Martha Stewart). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support RD, oppose blurb Great work, AllegedlyHuman. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I've removed the team sections per your comment. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article hit 500,000 views yesterday, for those of you who care about that sort of thing. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, no need to disambiguate display Sufficiently sourced with acceptable coverage, better organized now. No need to add disambiguation to the display as Phillip Adams seems mostly local to Australia and is not widely recognized. It's questionable if that February discussion represents real practice. Bobby Brown (third baseman) was posted a few weeks ago w/o any disambiguation,[4] and Bobby Brown, the singer, has thousands more daily viewers. No complaints were lodged by any readers. Perhaps a solution looking for a problem.—Bagumba (talk) 07:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, do you think Phillip Adams should be moved? I understand there's the possibility of this Adams' notability being a flash-in-the-pan moment, but if it holds out even a little bit then I would think he's clearly just as notable if not more so than the other one. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm usually in no hurry to move pages based on recent news. However, an argument for WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC could gain traction. As an alternative, one could consider expanding the WP:HATNOTE to list the football player explicitly, w/o readers having to click on the dab first.—Bagumba (talk) 08:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've added a hatnote per your suggestion. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba: I've requested a move at Phillip Adams, if you're interested. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's the one guy, but the court did the thing, and... yeah. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That was only a double murder, not even counting himself (if he did it). InedibleHulk (talk) 08:09, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I found some for you, InedibleHulk: Robert Rozier and Anthony Smith. Those are the only ones I could find who killed at least three; there's several more who did less at List of professional sportspeople convicted of crimes. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But actually, those are serial murders. Mass murder is at once. Cool how Smith and Winship both had a "Ponce", though. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Drat, looks like the nom I submitted is indeed a unique, major event. Might need some time to reflect. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Minor shooting in the US = unique/major?? Seriously, pull the other one, it's got bells on it. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Support RD only We don't post blurbs for the deaths of consorts (most recent example is the death of Henrik, Prince Consort of Denmark) and I don't see how this person transformed any relevant field. Blurbs are not reserved for public figures per se.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Kiril Simeonovski, did you mean to post this at Prince Philip's RD discussion? Poydoo can talk and edit 11:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, sorry, it seems like I've posted it twice because of the frequent edit-conflicting. Stricken.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Northern Ireland riots

Article: 2021 Northern Ireland riots (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Riots erupt in loyalist areas of Northern Ireland as a result of escalating tensions from Brexit and loyalist groups withdrawing from Good Friday Agreement. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Widely-reported riots from area which has seen decades of peace.

This isn't going to help - please just drop it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support ongoing rather than blurb. Looks similar to any riot/protest/social conflict that likely will not end immediately. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    For something new like this, I think the typical thing we do is add it as a blurb, and if it's still ongoing when it's about to rotate off the main page, then we move it to ongoing. I don't think it's common to send directly to ongoing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That was fashionable for a while, fortunately it's gone out of vogue. The notability here comes from the Brexit connection. The article itself is of meh quality. Ongoing won't change that. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose current blurb. Support blurb which contextualizes the riots as being part of the fallout of Brexit. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked the Grauniad, FWIW. US: 4 stories on the homepage, one of which is in the top section. UK: 2nd-to-top story to COVID, 5 stories overall. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 10:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
COVID, COVID, Beltfast, Scottish Independence --LaserLegs (talk) 11:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • :@The Rambling Man: Can you stop being a dick? I'm checking BBC.co.uk/news as well, but even if I wasn't, I would think that if these riots are as notable as they should be to be acceptable to ITN, then the BBC should be covering it as front page news even for foreign readers. They aren't. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 08:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC) Actually, strike that. I have egg on my face now. I just checked www.bbc.com and the headline is the riots. My apologies. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 08:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If you're seeing the one I am about a water cannon, don't be sorry, it just got there. Let's see where it is in three hours before settling on who's the dick. And stay away from BBC.ca, it's misleading and wants our money. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the article about riots (which apparently have nothing to do with Brexit) has two decent images proclaiming "no Irish sea border" if we're tired of looking at Butler. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not convinced we should be putting politically-motivated banners up on ITN. Also, I'm not 100% sure about the copyright status of these- I don't believe they fall under the UK's freedom of panorama, as FoP applies for permanent works stored in public areas (according to Commons, which neither the banner or graffiti are.
Support pull Practically nothing more than the usual has happened since it was published in ITN. It's still of no particular significance. Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kyaw Zwar Minn

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Article: Kyaw Zwar Minn (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Embassy coup. Ambassador of Myanmar to the United Kingdom locked out of the Embassy of Myanmar, London after speaking out against the 2021 Myanmar coup d'état. Position terminated by Myanmar. Ambassador wishes to be granted re-entry to the embassy and does not wish to return to Myanmar. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The incident has triggered international attention 61ontime (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Charles H. Coolidge

Article: Charles H. Coolidge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; Chattanooga Times Free Press; WRCB
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (April 7). —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Emmanuel Evans-Anfom

Article: Emmanuel Evans-Anfom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GhanaWeb
Credits:

Article updated
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 Ghanaian physician and public servant. Article has thorough coverage of Evans-Anfom's medical and political career and is referenced. SpencerT•C 17:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First results from the Muon g-2 experiment at Fermilab

Article: Muon g-2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Results from muon g-2 experiment at Fermilab are unveiled (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Results from the muon g-2 experiment at Fermilab suggest the existence of a undiscovered fifth fundamental force of nature.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Physicists at Fermilab report that observed measurements of the muon g-2 appear to differ from predictions made by the Standard Model.
News source(s): Fermilab
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Count Iblis (talk) 06:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Wait to see what the results are. If there's nothing beyond the Standard Model, there's no reason to post. If there really is new physics here, the article(s) need(s) to be updated first, which I expect will take longer than most current events and require subject-matter expertise. Modest Genius talk 09:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Also, it's not clear if there is a peer-reviewed journal paper associated with this announcement. Modest Genius talk 10:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait too soon, as no results have been published. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We're not going to post anything scientific without a peer-reviewed paper to back it. --Masem (t) 13:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Continued oppose based on the published paper. Yes, the paper's out, but reading through it (most going over my head), there's no such indication of anything suggested in the blurb (namely the fifth force of nature), but only a better confirmation of the results to prior tests at BNL. Reading ArsTech take on it, the results nearly eliminate that the BNL results 20 years were statistical anomalies, but it doesn't bring the field closer to proving that there's a fifth state to the Standard Model ; more work is needed for that. --Masem (t) 04:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Not only has the seminar not happened yet, but also the topic seems forbiddingly obscure and arcane. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe it's just me, but I think I'd prefer something obscure and arcane get posted to ITN instead of just continuing to post mass casualty events and ITN/R and nothing else. Mlb96 (talk) 05:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How did you feel about the boat race? – Sca (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is not an issue that demands immediate attention to a preprint. Peer review comes first. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:46, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Having now seen the results, they find almost the same thing as the 2006 measurement. The precision has improved slightly, but it's still less than the five-sigma threshold required to claim a discovery in particle physics. I still can't see any sign of a peer-reviewed paper either. Lots of theorists will find this interesting, but for the general public it's incremental stuff. Modest Genius talk 15:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Update: there's now a paper in PRL, which is good to see. However another paper in Nature was published on the same day, which claims the measured value is consistent with the Standard Model after all. That diminishes the excitement level even further. 'Physicists measure the same value as they did in 2006, and argue whether it is or isn't consistent with standard theory' isn't significant enough for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can't see the contents of the Nature paper but comparing its contributors to that on the PRL one, it seems to be by a different team altogether and not related to the Fermi data (Nature is by French and German researchers, none that are on the PRL paper?) --Masem (t) 12:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Correct, it's by an independent team presenting new theoretical calculations of the Standard Model value. The simultaneous publication is surely not a coincidence. I have no idea which theoretical value is superior, but it does demonstrate that the experiment is not necessarily discrepant with the Standard Model. Or another way of looking at it: the anomaly may have been a problem with the calculation methods, not due to any new physics. Modest Genius talk 13:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reopened I'm reopening this not because I think it should be posted (I am ambivalent for now), but because many of the opposes claim no peer reviewed paper, and such a paper has been published: [5]. Banedon (talk) 02:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That paper came out after this item was nominated, at which time people voted for other reasons. (Notice the "Wait" votes becoming "Opposes".) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle but the article hasn't been updated yet. As the paper was only published today, I think it's fair to give editors time to update the article. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until result is 5-sigma confirmed. -- KTC (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Exciting for particle physicists as it suggests a crises in the theory so as to lead to advances in human understanding, but still not yet at the confirmed crises. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just to clarify, there have been three published peer-reviewed papers related to the result. Very roughly, the theoretical overview in PRL, the experimental details in PRA, and the remarkably sophisticated magnetic calibration in PRD. Calculating the higher-order effects is mostly a difficult black art. The Fermilab papers took past theoretical calculations (most recently 2020) as their go-to comparison. The new Nature calculations (using an intense amount of supercomputing) were not available. As for the Fermilab results, these are based on less than 10% of their data, so updates will doubtless be soon enough. But it's going to be unclear for quite some time whether a 5-sigma claim has any meaning! An overview of all this can be found at quantamagazine.com. 73.81.122.254 (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose an obscure topic with an insufficient update.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Seems forbiddingly obscure and arcane. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:34, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mrs. Sri Lanka controversy

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Article: Mrs. Sri Lanka 2021 controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Mrs. Sri Lanka 2021 contest sparked public outcry as the contestant who was adjudged as winner of the competition was unceremoniously de-crowned by Mrs. World 2020 winner Caroline Jurie. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The incident has triggered wide international attention Abishe (talk) 06:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Tommy Raudonikis

Article: Tommy Raudonikis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC NEWS, NRL, FOX Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death of a rugby league legend JMonkey2006 (talk) 00:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • A Norwegian rescue coordination centre says the crew of MV Eemslift Hendrika was evacuated by helicopter overnight, with some having jumped into the North Sea, after the vessel began listing heavily. The ship, which specialises in transporting luxury yachts, has lost power, may sink, and is drifting towards the Norwegian coast. (The Independent)

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(Posted) RD: Grischa Huber

Article: Grischa Huber (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actress who became a role model for self-determined women, by one role in 1975. New article, translated from German. No idea where the dates for theatres and the private life come from, probably the offline Further reading. Sorry for offering this late, but Küng was a tad more notable ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC) Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hans Küng

Article: Hans Küng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Swiss Catholic priest, theologian, and author. After he rejected the doctrine of papal infallibility, he was not allowed to teach as a Catholic theologian. Grimes2 (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Thank you for the groundwork, Grimes2 and Bmclaughlin9. I added the last missing sources. Just for the one thing "citation required", I found only what could be mirrors, - commented out for now. If someone can verify they are not mirrors, please restore. Need sleep. Will dream of more lead, - would be nice to wake up to it done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As the Dutch say, Slap lekker....Sca (talk) 14:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alcee Hastings

Article: Alcee Hastings (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South Florida Sun Sentinel CBS
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Sitting US Congressman and impeached/convicted judge. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support decent article, obviously qualifies. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I have to mention that every person who has a Wikipedia article 'qualifies'. Discussion for RD comes entirely down to article quality. Uses x (talkcontribs) 22:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citations are needed in some places, the "Elections" section oddly only includes specific mentions of his first US House election (1992) and then 2016 and 2018, despite running every two years and 2018 being unopposed, no mention of his 2020 primary challenge, some possible POV issue around the Lexus lease (if he didn't break any rules, why is it mentioned?) and his ten year service as a judge is not covered beyond his impeachment. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What Muboshgu said. Some citations missing and the content selection in "U.S. House of Representatives" is strange. Wait, if it's still problematic in 8 hours and the current heavy editing slows down I'll try to fix it. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 17:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Citations needed and the article has balance issues. There's a lot of detail about his impeachment, finance problems, etc,(the negative stuff), which all seems fair and well-phrased, but nothing about what he actually did in his career at that time (the positive and neutral side of things). Uses x (talkcontribs) 22:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's basically a hit piece at the moment, as 90% of it is about the negative 10% of his career, and only 10% is about the other 90%. Black Kite (talk) 00:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As one of the few people removed from office by an impeachment trial, I would expect an article about him to focus on that. What more positive aspects are missing? 331dot (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Australia-New Zealand travel bubble

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Article: Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinta Ardern announces quarantine-free travel between Australia and New Zealand to commence on 19 April (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two-way travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand opens
News source(s): ABC News (Australia), 1 News, BBC World News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pro: Major travel bubble announcement regarding two countries with very low COVID-19 transmission. Con: Still an announcement, maybe wait until 19 April; No specific article yet. JMonkey2006 (talk) 07:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Veronica Dunne (soprano)

Article: Veronica Dunne (soprano) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times; Irish Independent; Raidió Teilifís Éireann
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul Ritter (actor)

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Article: Paul Ritter (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Friday Night Dinner dad ("lovely bit of squirrel") and plenty of other roles. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The thread I opened about an image awaits your valued input. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've already added my opinion here, thanks for all the off-topic bloating here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2021 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship

Article: 2021 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the NCAA Division I Men's Championship concludes with Baylor defeating Gonzaga in the final. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Game just ended, information still being added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GaryColemanFan The women's tournament is not ITNR. You are welcome to nominate the women's tournament using the regular ITNC process. Adding it to ITNR has been discussed in the past and not gained consensus. They are separate events in separate locations, unlike the boat race. In addition, rightly or wrongly it does not get the attention of the men's tournament. Note that the WNBA final also is not ITNR. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Women's championship got a ton of coverage incl. Stanford's first title in 29 years. It was certainly in the news. It was widely covered by ESPN, USAToday, etc. AvatarQX (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting the women's result. Same time frame, same effective league, so this is nothing like comparing the NBA to the WNBA. While it is clear the mens play get far more coverage, we should not hide the women's result if it happened nearly at the same time. --Masem (t) 23:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot, GaryColemanFan, AvatarQX, and Masem: I've created a nomination for the women's tournament. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting proposal to add women's tournament to blurb - As well-sourced as the men's article. Different venue has no bearing on notability. Women's tournament has plenty of coverage and was discussed more than ever this year, including player's claims of gender discrimination in training facilities, food, etc. GaryColemanFan (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
GaryColemanFan My suggestion would be for you to make a separate regular(not ITNR) nomination for that event. "Different venue" is simply the reason we don't post both as ITNR, they are separate events. 331dot (talk) 13:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to know what kind of food is strong enough for a man, but made for a woman. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New president and PM of Vietnam

Articles: Nguyễn Xuân Phúc (talk · history · tag) and Phạm Minh Chính (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Nguyễn Xuân Phúc is sworn in as the new President of Vietnam and Phạm Minh Chính its new Prime Minister. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: New Vietnamese leadership. Articles needs a lot of work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Namnguyenvn Support on the merits is not required for ITNR nominations, this discussion is only to judge article quality and a blurb. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any comment on the quality of either article? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nyanardsan Notability is not at issue for ITNR nominations. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Agree I agreed with the important of news; the quality of article will be better in some days. Newone (talk) 09:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb: Robert Mundell

Article: Robert Mundell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian economist Robert Mundell dies at the age of 88. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Canadian Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Mundell dies at the age of 88.
News source(s): Forbes, BNN Bloomberg
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Canadian economist. Death just announced. Article requires some work including referencing before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to it earlier, please feel free to. Ktin (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Palma

Article: Battle of Palma (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mozambican counter-forces take back the city of Palma, ending the Battle of Palma. (Post)
News source(s): Daily Sabah, BBC Sky News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Battle was on ITN when it started; see no reason not to include it, now that it has ended. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 15:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. I should have clarified; if the city is decisively seen as taken back by Mozambique, then we should keep it. If it does change hands over and over and over, however, then I will proceed to end this proposal. :) Fakescientist8000 (talk) 02:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but would you say it is or isn't clear that the battle has ended? Jim Michael (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Only if you consider Sky News a reliable source. – Sca (talk) 16:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mehli Irani

Article: Mehli Irani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, New Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Death announced 5 April. Short article, I'm running through obits to try and get as much additional info as possible. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


RD: Marshall Sahlins

Article: Marshall Sahlins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the most influential anthropologists in recent decades. Wishva | Talk 12:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest close, with the option to reopen if a reliable source is added. RD is understandably a very sensitive space. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve found the following source from the University of Chicago, where Sahlins taught. [7], I’ve replaced the Tweet in the nomination with this link. Wishva | Talk 06:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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