User talk:Renata3/archives

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GASB VfDs[edit]

Just to let you know that I have combined all 11 into a single VfD for efficiency. People often don't bother to vote on multiple VfDs like this one. If you think the combining was inappropriate, please do split them apart again making sure to copy your nomination and Harmil's vote into each of them. Cheers! -Splash 21:18, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks a bunch, 'cause I was thinking the same, just did not have time/did not not know how to incorporate them all.Renata3 10:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Category Autodidacts[edit]

I do mind. --ThomasK 19:50, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Recent Vote/Comment[edit]

Re: *Delete after you take any useful info and put it in say general science category. Archeology is not that big and important field.Renata3 06:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

really? What is your definition of big and important? Archaeology is to me. Wiki really has room for us all, you know. WBardwin 06:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
well, no offense. But I mean that if we keep it, then there should be similar things for astronomy, geology, biochemistry, physiology, logic, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. It it just not a sufficient field for THAT huge of a project. (and I am deeply sorry for my spelling, 'cause I am without sleep for about 24 hours...) I have nothing against any science, interest, or hobby.

Oh, I voted to delete too. But I think consolidating it into one list (for now) just for archaeology is a better alternative than into general science, particularly since topics in archaeology can also be lumped into social science. The current info would make one nice big article, particularly if internally sorted in some way. Comments welcome. WBardwin 06:47, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


Hey, I know you're still pretty new to wikipedia, so I just though I'd leave you a gentle reminder on how to VfD as you seem to have not followed through with the whole process on Faces of Korea. Instructions on how to do it can be found at How to list pages for deletion. Thanks, keep up the good work. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 16:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The thing is that I tried to list them, but somehow VfD page does not want to work for me... I listed several things there today and not all of them appeared. Why? Not even a slight idea. The Wiki crashes :)


I see that you renamed {{accounting-stub}} to {{acc-stub}} today. May I ask why? --TheParanoidOne 20:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome![edit]

Thanks for the welcome. I've been an avid reader for a long time, and now I am going to start helping out by editing articles! Thanks for the link to that tutorial, that was most helpful. Arcaynn 23:44, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Renata. Thanks for the welcome too! Ronasi


I answered on my talk page; I'm from Chicago IL, actually; I'm guessing you might be too. linas 21:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Why, thank you very much for the barnstar! :) linas 18:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


Hi, you voted to Merge Authentic Matthew at a VFD. However, the salvagable content of the article was already merged prior to the previous VFD. Is it possible for you to reconsider your previous vote? ~~~~ 08:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


For reverting vandalism on my user page. Very kind of you! Renata3 17:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome, glad to be of any help ;) Salut. Who?¿? 17:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


Just wanted to say thanks for the categorisation award! Like you, I'm relatively new here, and like you, I see many sleepless nights of categorisation ahead. I think the category system is one of the most brilliant and yet underrated features of Wikipedia as a whole. Hopefully our paths will cross again. Agentsoo 15:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


The Authentic Matthew VFD has closed. The results were

  • Delete - 21 (58%)
  • Keep - 11 (31%)
  • Merge - 4 (11%)

This was declared to have been no consensus, and therefore a new VFD has been opened at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Authentic Matthew (consensus).

Would you be prepared to re-add your vote there? ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 09:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Authentic Matthew the sequel[edit]

The POV that was in Authentic Matthew, an article you voted to delete, before it was NPOVed has been re-created at a new article - see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Original Gospel of Matthew. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 20:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


I am giving you this barnstar to let you know that I too feel your Wikistress. Take care, D. J. Bracey (talk) California state flag.png 01:23, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

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Renaming a page[edit]

Hello! You sent me a welcome message. Thank you! I do have a question: I came across the article Xue Shen, which (I think) should actually be titled Shen Xue because Shen is the family name. Am I reading the naming conventions right? ( How would I get the article name changed? Fang Aili 19:13, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Amanda Lepore[edit]

The full content of the page I deleted was "A Famous Tranny," which is quite useless, even if she is much deserving of an article. - SimonP 19:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming committee[edit]

Hi, Renata. I noticed you had welcomed some newcomers; maybe you could look into joining the Wikipedia welcoming committee and Kindness Campaign. Small acts of kindness can do wonders. :) Regards, Sango123 20:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You for Welcome[edit]

Thank you for welcoming me to the Wikipedia! I was hoping you might be able to answer a question for me. I created an article yesterday and there is a person who is trying to delete it, citing that it is non-encyclopedic or only raw data. I disagree, but don't know how to prevent her from deleting it. Would you mind taking a look? Deletion Page Thanks a lot! Americanus 02:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


Hello Renata. I have a question--I need help with disambiguation. I want to create articles for several figure skaters, but their names already have articles. For instance, Maria Petrova is a famous rhythmic gymnast, but another Maria Petrova is a figure skater. How do I make a page for the figure skater? I tried reading the wiki disamb page but couldn't make heads or tails of it. Thanks. Fang Aili 20:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


Ačiū, parašysiu, jei reiks. Šiaip manau gera idėja būtų sukurti Wikipedijoje lietuvių puslapį (ten kaip nors Wikipedia:LithuanianHome), panašų rodos turi lenkai (ir dar kelios tautos), tai jie ten jei vienas į kokią diskusiją įsivelia, parašo į tą puslapį ir sukviečia visus kitus kurie ten skaito (užsidėję jį ant watch). Anksčiau lietuvių buvo mažai, gal tik aš vienas aktyvesnis, bet pamažu mūsų daugėja (ir visi atskirai į konfliktus su lenkais įsivelia, bet lenkai vieningi, taip kad jų ir atrodo daug), taigi matyt reikės panašų dalyką ir man padaryti; jei taip padarysiu, tai tave irgi pakviesiu.Sykiu tai būtų ir vieta kur kiekvienas galėtų pasiskelbti jei parašė kokį ilgesnį su Lietuva susijusį straipsnį, kad kiti galėtų pažiūrti ir patikrinti klaidas, taip pat užsieniečiai galėtų klausti įvairių detalių, jei jie ką nors rašytų apie Lietuvą. Manau, padarysiu, kai daugiau laiko turėsiu, tada reiks visiems wikipedijos lietuviams parašyti, kad dėtų tą puslapį ant watch. Aš tai specialiai įsigijau kelias istorines knygas apie tarpukarį, taip, kad galiu pateikti šaltinius į daugelį vietų. DeirYassin 10:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I am glad to be here[edit]

Just wanted to thank you for the welcome message, and I do hope that I can contribute largely to this great project. --E.P.I.C. 22:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome[edit]

Thanks for the shout, appreciate the concern about a newbi... cheers! Nelgallan 00:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Linkėjimai iš Vilniaus![edit]

Sveika! Gerai, kad atsirado dar viena lietuvė čia. Pati matai, ką čia išdarinėja lenkų nacionalistai. Visa bėda, kad visi lietuviai čia ne istorikai ir naivuoliai. Vienas DeirYassin dar buvo pusė bėdos. Lithuania ir Vilnius angliški straipsniai visiškai lenkų sufalsifikuoti (nekalbant apie kitus). Jiems galime atsakyti tik vienybe. Aš esu pagal išsilavinimą istorikas, esu verslininkas (irgi visai neturiu laiko). Ar galiu tikėtis čia tavo paramos? Bf-109 10:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


Jo, teisi tu. Kol kas aš užsiėmęs Vilniaus krašto ir tarpukario reikalais, nes ten lengviau įrodyti teisybę, kadangi lenkai visiškas nesąmones rašinėja, be to, geriau žinau tarpukario istoriją. Turėčiau turėti daugiau laiko kitą savaitę, žiūrėsim, gal pabandysiu tą portalą įsteigt, nes jau berods tu, bf-109 ir aš bus bent trys nariai, reiks dar ir kitus lietuvius pakviest. DeirYassin 10:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Reikia pagalbos[edit]

Nežinau, kaip užpildyti 3RR report. Bandžiau - nesigavo. Gal tu galėtum pranešti apie to lenko fanatiko User:Witkacy 3RR pažeidimą Lithuania straipsnyje -> žiūrėk pervertimus? Bf-109 19:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

Thanks plus a suggestion for your "what will kill wikipedia" dilema. Sell hardcover copies of wikipedia. Sure anyone can get it on the web, but imagine having your own hardcover copy. Because of the size, it would have to be selected articles only. Maybe a basic digest copy of the whole encyclopedia and specialized copies too. Even one containing just the year and date articles. The possibilities are limitless. the only question is whether there is a market. As I am new, I'm not sure how best to get this idea off the ground, having just thought of it now while reading ur page. Let me know what u think. Olleicua 03:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for your support of This week's Improvement Drive.
This week Spice trade was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help…


Sorry, I can't help you. Read the image description at Image:Vistula.jpg and you'll know why. Halibutt 15:28, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Fair use[edit]

Well, whoever made the images clearly wanted them to be considered copyrighted material (hence the copyright notice), so I assume the university has some policy. I would try e-mailing the university and seeing if they'd be willing to release the images under the GDFL. Otherwise, the key question for fair use here would really be whether not there were free alternatives available which would be adequate. For illustrating the basics of Lithuanian geography, I think the CIA maps would probably be considered adequate, so fair use wouldn't really work. One other plan might be to make a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Illustration and Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps for somebody to draw new maps of Lithuania based on those used by the university. Hope that is helpful. --Fastfission 20:55, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Renata and Fastfission, excuse me for chiming in or for misunderstanding what you're talking about. I wanted to say, as a U.S. citizen who's followed copyright issues for several years, that the U.S. government does not hold copyright for any of its own works; they are all public domain, except when a work is produced for the government and the producer's contract specifically leave copyright with the producer. So, for example, the maps in the CIA World Factbook, without such a notice, can be reused without any requirement for permission.
Tangent #1: under U.S. copyright law, "fair use" has nothing at all to do with whether there are free alternatives elsewhere. The Copyright Act mentions four factors for considering fair use, but these are not "bright line" items (meaning, they're not clear cut). Whether the image or work from which you hope to make fair use exists in some other format is not one of the four factors.
Tangent #2: in the U.S., it has not been necessary to include a copyright notice on a work for more than 30 years; the "fixed original expression" enjoys copyright from the moment it's fixed (written, saved, etc.). Having the copyright notice gives additional remedies to the creator of the work, but the absence of the copyright notice does not in any way mean the work doesn't enjoy copyright.
OtherDave 00:09, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Dėl portalo[edit]

Nelabai žinau kaip ten su visu wiki kodu tvarkytis, bet jei tu nusprendei tuo užsiimti, galėtų būti tokie skirsniai:

  • Nauji straipsniai - vieta, kur bet kas, parašęs naują straipsnį (ar iš esmės papildęs esamą, ar pamatęs naują straipsnį ar rimtą papildymą), susijusį su Lietuva, galėtų ten įdėti nuorodą į jį su trumpu paaiškinimu, kad kiti galėtų patikrinti, papildyti ir panašiai. (po savaitės ar pan. duomenys iš čia būtų keliami į archyvą)
  • Diskusijos - vieta su nuorodomis į tuo metu vykstančias diskusijas susijusias su Lietuva ir trumpais kuo neutralesniais jų paaiškinimais
  • Dalyviai - vieta, kur visi galėtų įsirašyti savo juserneimą ir dar kelis duomenis, ypač, kuo jis domisi (tad, pavyzdžiui, kas nors turintis klausimų dėl Lietuvių kalbos galėtų per tą sąrašą susirasti ir kreiptis į žmogų, ja besidomintį; panašiai su istorija, geografija ir pan.)

Talke reikėtų daryti skirsnį bendriems klausimams apie Lietuvą, kokie dabar paprastai nevisai teisingai eina į Talk:Lithuania ir kitą skirsnį prašymams patikrinti informaciją wikipedijos straipsniuose (pvz. kur koks nors užsienietis, suabejojęs kokia informacija straipsnyje, susijusiame su Lietuva, bet pats užtektinai tame nesigaudydamas, kad pataisytų, galėtų kreiptis). Gali dar pagalvoti ir pati keletą skirsnių - jei viskas bus tvarkinga, bus gerai.

Kai viskas bus sutvarkyta, reikėtų parašyti apie portalą į Talk:Lithuania su jo apibūdinimu ir prašymu ten kreiptis su bendriniais klausimais apie Lietuvą taip pat pažiūrėti dalyvių sąrašą, jei ieškomas kažkoks specifine sritimi besidomintis ar tą specialybę turintis lietuvis. Išsyk tuomet reikėtų rašyti visiems wikipedijos lietuviams į talkus ir pasiūlyti prisijungti prie portalo, t.y. jei nori, įsirašyti prie dalyvių ir, kas svarbiausia, uždėti jį ant watch, kad galėtų dalyvauti. Reikėtų visiems parašyti apie tokio portalo privalumus, pvz:

  • Užsieniečiai galės matyti vieną vietą su lietuvių sąrašu, talke klausti informacijos, kuri dabar neteisingai atsiduria Talk:Lithuania
  • Nauji straipsniai, dabar paprastai parašomi tik vieno žmogaus, lieka nepastebėti ir dėl to gali įsivelti klaidų, o čia išsyk juos galės peržvelgti keli lietuviai, taip pat jie galės ir daugiau papildyti, jei žino
  • Bus galima lengviau kalbėtis tarpusavyje tarp visų wikipedijos lietuvių rašant į portalo talką

Ir panašiai. Taupant laiką, geriausia bus padaryti iš esmės vieną portalo aprašymą, kurį ir įdėti viesiems į talkus; galėsi man jį duoti jei tokį sugalvosi dar prieš dedant, gal kuo papildysiu. Lietuvių šiaip jau nėra mažai: Dirgela, Knutux, AndriuZ, Lokyz, Gvorl, Linas, LinasLit (ar Linas Lituanus) ir pan. reikia tik pažiūrėt su Lietuva susijusių straipsnių istorijas ir talkus.

Taip pat panašų "atsišaukimą" reikia sugalvoti ir įdėti į talkus ir nelietuviams, kurie daug dalyvavo įvairių straipsnių apie Lietuvą diskusijose ar kūrime (pvz. yra Theodore Kloba rodos, kuris domisi lietuvių kalba ir ypač žemaičių tarme ir rašo straipsnius apie tai), kad jie galėtų paskelbti apie savo naujus straipsnius portale ir lietuviai galėtų patikrinti, nes paprastai jų straipsniuose ir įsivelia šiek tiek klaidų (sunkiau rašyti straipsnį nebuvus Lietuvoj ir pan.). Taip pat bus daugiau dalyvių, kas gerai.

Šitą, aišku, reikėtų daryti tik kai viskas bus sutvarkyta portale ir vaizdas bus estetiškas, aš duosiu patarimų jei ką sugalvosiu, gal ir pats prisidėsiu - iš esmės čia nėra labai skubu, nėra reikalo viską daryti skubiai ypač jei nėra laiko, bet reikia daryti gerai, kad kai visi bus painformuoti, atsirastų daug norinčių prisijungti ir portalas pradėtų iš tikrųjų veikti.

Pagarba, DeirYassin 23:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl featured article ir picture, manau gali pažiūrėti, kur yra geresnių susijusių su Lietuva. Kas dėl mano straipsnių, tai neblogas yra Lithuanian 1941 independence, dar apie kelias savivaldybes (ten Vilnius city municipality, Varėna district municipality ir pan. žinau, pats rėmiausi tais planais kai kuriems straipsniams. O kas dėl redagavimo, tai esmė, kad ten yra wikikodas, visokios lentelės ir pan, tai nesinori to sugadinti DeirYassin 09:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėl rajonų[edit]

District - rajonas, district municipality - rajono savivaldybė. Iki savivaldybių reformos 2000-ais (apie kurią yra mano straipsnis lietuviškoje wikipedijoje "Savivaldybių reforma") lietuva buvo padalinta į rajonus ir respublikinio pavaldumo miestus; nuo tada viskas tapo savivaldybėmis, tik arba "rajonų savivaldybėmis" (ten kur buvo rajonai), arba "miestų savivaldybėmis" (ten kur buvo respublikinio pavaldumo miestai), arba tiesiog savivaldybėmis (naujai atriektos savivaldybės, tokios kaip Elektrėnų, Pagėgių, Rietavo; taip pat tais atvejais, kai respublikinio pavaldumo miesto teritorija būdavo išplečiama, kad šis apimtų ir nemažai kaimų (Druskininkų sav., Marijampolės sav., Birštono sav.)). Taip kad teisingas pavadinimas bus arba "district municipality", arba "city municipality" arba "municipality" priklausomai nuo lietuviško pavadinimo. Iš tik "district" ir city" turėtų būt redirektai į "district municipality" ir "city municipality" atitinkamai; taip pat nuo "District", "District Municipality" ir pan (iš didžiųjų raidžių). Antra vertus, galima daryti atskirus straipsnius rajonams, kaip Sovietinio administracinio padalijimo vienetams (iki 2000) - kita vertus, kadangi rajonai daugeliu atveju beveik sutampa su dabartinėmis rajonų savivaldybėmis, galbūt geriau bus tiesiog paminėti juos prie atitinkamų savivaldybių istorijos skirsnių. O kas dėl portalo, tai, kaip jau sakiau, nėra ypatingai skubu. DeirYassin 20:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Iš esmės taip sakyti (kad pvz. Panevežio r. sav. sostinė yra Panevėžys) galima ir turbūt reikia; sostinė nebūtinai turi įeiti į patį administracinį vienetą - sostinė yra ten, kur bazuojasi administracinio vieneto valdžia, o tais atvejais ji bazuojasi tuose miestuose, nors šie ir neįeina į administracinio vieneto teritoriją. Panašūs atvejai yra ne tik Lietuvoje, bet ir, pavyzdžiui, Indijoje, kur Harjanos (Haryana) ir Pendžabo (Punjab, India) valstijų sostinė Čandigarhas yra abiejų šių valstijų sostinė, bet nepaisant to nėra nė vienos šių valstijų dalis, o atskira federalinė teritorija (bet, kaip matai iš nurodytų straipsnių, miestas visvien minimas kaip sostinė). Panašiai būna ir Latvijoje bei dar nemažai šalių. O tiek problemų supavadinimais yra dėl to, kad nenorėta tiesiog visų rajonų, kuriuos žmonės taip jau buvo įpratę vadinti, pervadinti tiesiog savivaldybėmis, bent jau aš taip manau. DeirYassin 21:08, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Eldership counts[edit]

See Counties of Lithuania, which already has this info (I have no idea if it's accurate). Some of the counts seem to differ from what you added to List of municipalities in Lithuania. -- Curps 03:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: catneeded[edit]

Well, if you're doing an automatic scan, then you might as well have a new version of Special:Uncategorizedpages that excludes those junk categories. --Joy [shallot] 21:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


Taip, jis nėra labai tikslus, daugiau skirtas bendram orientavimuisi, kitas būtų geriau. Jei naudosi kitą, reikia visas nudažyt kokia nors viena spalva, o tą, apie kurią yra straipsnis - nudažinėt kita.DeirYassin 06:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Taip, manau pasiūlytasis planas ir spalvos yra geri. DeirYassin 11:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Nelabai supratau, koks template? DeirYassin 19:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Ačiū, planai geri :) . Malonu, kad atsiranda žmonių, dėl informacijos apie Lietuvą internete užsiimančiu tokiais darbais kaip herbų dydžių derinimas ar planų kūrimas :) . Kas dėl šablono, tai nėra jo: aš pats tą lentelę sukūriau (panaudojau ir Vilniuas miesto, Varėnos rajono savivaldybėms bei gal dar kur kitur), ir perkėlinėjau ją iš vietos į vietą paprasčiausiai kopijuodamas visą lentelės kodą ir tik pakeisdamas informaciją. Gal pati sukurti šabloną, jei taip patogiau. Dar tik planuoju, kad bus galia vieną papildomą grafą įrašyti: Savivaldybės narių skaičius. Beje, užsiimu dabar su vienu rusu, kuris periodiškai trina informaciją apie Mažąją Lietuvą iš straipsnio Kaliningrad Oblast - matai, ne vien lenkų naglų esama :P . DeirYassin 20:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Taipogi, galima dar būtų sukurti šabloną lietuvos savivaldybėms tokį, kuriame būtų parašytos visos savivaldybės, ir jį dėti apačioje kiekvieno savivaldybių straipsnio, panašiai, kaip yra šablonai su visomis ES šalimis ar NATO šalimis ar visais Rusijos administraciniais vienetais.DeirYassin 21:28, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl angliško pavadinimo viršuje, aš dariau tą lentelę pagrinde pagal valstybių lenteles, o jose toje vietoje būna pavadinimai originalo kalba. Iš esmės, taip gal ir geriau, nes nėra gerai, kai lentelėje per daug panašios informacijos. Dėl šitos priežasties manyčiau, kad ir "Šalis" nėra reikalinga: tokios lentelės bus tik Lietuvos savivaldybėms, taigi šalis ir taip aišku. Neaišku ir dėl etnografinio regiono, nes šie nėra politiškai apibrėžti, o pagal dabartinį variantą gali pasirodyti, kad tai - irgi tam tikras administracinis vienetas. Šiaip jau jų ribos nėra visiškai aiškios; tačiau jei naudosimės oficialiai nustatytomis, nors ir galbūt ne visai tiksliomis, etnoregionų ribomis, galima juos dėti. Gal kažką, apskritį ar etnoregioną, galima ir perkelti į skliaustelius po savivaldybės pavadinimu, kad pati lentelė neatrodytų prigrūsta. Duomenys kas dėl miestų dydžių yra iš 2001 surašymo, taip, kad ne 2005, kaip parašyta skliausteliuose. Kadangi visi duomenys pagal tą surašymą (t.p. bendras žmonių skaičius, tankumas ir pan.) galima gal kažkur vienoj vietoj paminėti (kaip išnašą ar pan.) iš kur duomenys, jei išvis reikia. Telefono kodas, mano nuomone, galėtų būti; galima jį paversti nuoroda į straipsnį su paaiškinimais ir visu sąrašu, jei toks būtų; kol nėra, irgi galima palikti, iki kas parašys, be to, gal kam reiks informacijos kaip prisiskambinti ton savivaldybėn ir jis jau žinos bendrą kodų naudojimą Lietuvoje (be to, kaip suprantu, jis panašus visam pasauly: šalies kodas, tada miesto/regiono kodas, tada numeris). Kas dėl sąrašų pagal tam tikrus rodiklius, gal galima bus tokius padaryti tame pačiame straipsnyje (List of Municipalities). Tikėtis straipsnių apie kiekvieną herbą artimiausiu metu negalima, bet apie kai kuriuos (pvz. Vilniaus) jau yra; o wikipedija su laiku augs, pritrauks daugiau lietuvių: lenkai apie savo įvairius giminių, miestų ir miestelių herbus jau dabar sukūrę straipsnių, nes atsirado ten keli heraldikos fanai. Jei padarai nuorodą wikipedijoje, nebūtina pagal tą nuorodą ir straipsnį sukurti, bet jei yra raudona nuoroda, didesnė tikimybė, kad kas nors jį sukurs, nei kai nėr nuorodos. Turbūt apie visus merus greitu laiku straipsnių irgi nebus. Po merų, tiesa, dar kai kada (visur kol kas neįrašiau) yra įrašyta jų partija, tad galima rašyti "Mayor (Party)" ar "Mayor (Faction)". Dar, kaip sakiau, galima skiltis apie savivaldybės tarybos narių skaičių (tokią informaciją turbūt galima rasti kiekvienos savivaldybės oficialiuose tinklapiuose). Dar nežinau, ar kontūrams gražiau šviesi spalva, ar pilka. Na, čia tik mano pastebėjimai, aišku, gali kai kurių jų ir nepriimti, jei su jais nesutinki. Dar, beje, jei kursi straipsnius apie daugiau savivaldybių, turbūt geriausia bus naudoti ir vienodą skirstymą į paragrafus: stengiausi padaryti optimalų Vilnius city municipality ir kai kur kitur (Istorija, geografija, demografija (su statistika apie urbanizaciją, lytinę, tautinę ir religinę sudėtį), politika (su galimais skyriais: susigiminiavę miestai, tarybos sudėtis, politiniai tikslai), ekonomika, transportas, seniūnijos, kultūra, nuorodos). Jei turi pasiūlymų čia, irgi gali sakyti - gal būtų gerai apkeisti vietomi "geografija" ir "istorija", "transportas" pavadinimą pakeisti į "infrastruktūra" (nors čia ir nežinau). Dar gal galima skirsnių apie turistinius objektus, paminėjimus kūriniuose ir pan. bet čia jau iš esmės ne tokie svarbūs dalykai, svarbiausi jau ir taip yra. DeirYassin 23:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl ne tokių svarbių duomenų ir lentelės perpildymo, gal būtų įmanoma daryti kažką panašuas į vaivadijų lentelę, pvz. Podlasie Voivodship, t.y. suskirstytą į skyrius. Aišku, skyriai nebūtų tokie patys, nematau prasmės informacinėj dėžutėj dėti informaciją apie produkciją ar panašiai; šitą, jei reiks, bus galima dėti prie paragrafo "Ekonomika". Bet galėtų lentelėje būti skirsniai "Vieta" (apskritis, etnografinis regionas), "Politika" (meras, savivaldybės narių skaičius, valdančioji partija/jų koalicija (jei verta), gal seniūnijų skaičius), "Bendroji informacija" (sostinė, plotas, gyventojų skaičius, tankumas, gal dar prie šito ir gal seniūnijų skaičius bei telefonų kodas). Jei prireiks, gali būti dar ir skirsnis "Indentifikacija", su ISO bei telefonų kodais, nors gal kaip atskiras skirsnis jis nelabai reikalingas. Tokiu atveju lentelė būtų mažiau prigrųsta ir būtų galima dėti iš pažiūros mažiau svarbią, bet kažkam gal reikalingą informaciją apie savivaldybės narių skaičių, valdančiąją partiją ir pan.; nes pastaroji neužgožtų kitų duomenų. Apskritai manau į lentelę verta dėti bet kokią informaciją, išskiriančią tą savivaldybę iš kitų, kuri yra oficiali ir kurią galima pateikti apie visas savialdybes. Neverta dėti sąrašų (kaip pvz. etninė sudėtis, seniūnijų sąrašas ar pan.) kuriuos geriau pateikti straipsnyje (mano nuomone). Pagal tokius kriterijus telefono kodas irgi visai naudingas dalykas, ypač jei lentelė bus suskirstyta į skiltis; telefono kodai, be to, yra pvz. straipsniuose apie valstybes. Prie ko žemaitiškas pavadinimas buvo aišku kiek paskaičius straipsnį: kai originalo kalba rašomi paadinimai virš valstybių straipsnių, tose, kur yra kelios oficialios kalbos yra rašomi keli pavadinimai vienas po kitu. Aišku, žemaičių tarmė neoficiali ir iš esmės gal galima palikti ir tavo variantą, vis dėl to angliškas pavadinimas jau ir taip daug kur kartojasi (straipsnio pavadinimas, pirmieji žodžiai straipsnyje), bet galima ir taip palikti (gal galima liet. pavadinimą skliausteliuose po anglišku nurodyti, tokio pat dydžio šriftu, tiesa). Jei turi duomenis apie miestus ir pan, galima dėti: vis dėl to nemanau, kad jie tikslūs, nors ir naujesni: dėl emigracijos po įstojimo į ES ir panašiai gali būti sunku spręsti apie tam tikrų regionų populiaciją, 2005 duomenys vistiek išgaunami iš 2001 surašymo pritaikant įvairias formules, kas gali būti ir netaip tikslu. Tarmiškų pavadinimų galėsiu įdėt kiek žinosiu (mano žinios ten irgi nelabai didelės) ir jei reikia; gal juos paliksim tik pačiame straipsnyje, nes vis viena nėra oficialūs. Bet jei yra duomenis apie visus miestus ir pan. irgi (kad nereiktų naudoti skirtingų metų duomenų toje pat lentelėje), galima juos dėti; tada turbūt paaiškinimo, kelintų metų duomenys išvis nereikia, nes duomenys dabartiniai. O taip kaip įdėjai duomenų amžių, mažomis raidėmis po lentele, mano nuomone yra gerai. Kas dėl herbų aprašymų, jo, iš esmės gali būti tame pačiame straipsnyje, kokiame paragrafe "Simbolika" (kaip kad yra su kai kurių etnografinių regionų straipsniais). Atskiri straipsniai patogesni tik tuo, kad tada iš juos galima nurodyti tiek iš savivaldybės, tiek iš miesto, nes paprastai herbai sutampa. Bet galima tiesiog kurti paragrafus "Simbolika". Apie spalvą tai turėjau omeny, kad esamoje lentelėje rėmeliai tarp lentelės ląstelių buvo tamsūs, o taviškėje - šviesūs. Čia tik atkreipiau dėmesį. Savivaldybės planą (su jos miestais, miesteliais, kaimais ir seniūnijų ribomis), jei toks bus, geriausia bsu dėti po herbu ir Lietuvos planu su savivaldybe. Kas dėl šablono, nežinau, ar ten verta dėti apskritis, ypač viršuje ir didesnėmis raidėmis: gali sukelti klaidingą įspūdį, kad apskritis yra svarbesnis administracinis vienetas už savivaldybę, kas, nepaisant apskrities dydžio, nėra tiesa: savivaldybė yra savavaldus vienetas su renkama valdžia, o apskritys - tiesiog vyriausybės dariniai, kurių pagrindinė užduotis yra prižiūrėti, kad savivaldybės jų teritorijose neleistų potvarkių, prieštaraujančių įstatymams ar konstitucijai. Kas dėl etnografinių regionų, jo mačiau tą žemėlapį, turėjau omeny, kad klausimas, ar ten jiet iksliai nsutatyti, akdangi tikslus nutatymas ant regionų ribų labai sunkus ir turbūt neįmanomas, bet kadangi yra toksai oficialus nustatymas, iš esmės galima etnografinį regioną dėti. Jei lentelė bus padalina į skiltis, tuomet prie skilties "Vieta". DeirYassin 08:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėkoju už sukurtas lenteles ir planus :) . Mašinų numeriai prie apskričių gal nelabai reikalingi, nes nuo 2003 ar tai 2004 buvo panaikinti (t.y. naujai registruojamų mašinų numerių vidurinė raidė gali būti bet kokia). Apskrities vadovo pavadinimas yra "apskrities viršininkas", o ne "gubernatorius", tad gal geresnis vertimas būtų "Ruler" arba "Chairman" ("Country ruler", "county chairman")? Kaip smulkesnius vienetus tamsėjančia spalva? Turi omeny, apskritis šviesiau, savivaldybes tamsiau, o seniūnijas tamsiausiai? Galima iš esmės. Kas dėl seniūnijos lentelės, šiokia tokia, tik netobula, yra mano sukurta lietuviškoje wikipedijoje, straipsnyje "Marcinkonių seniūnija". Savivaldybių lentelė dabar jau yra gera, gal tik reikia kai ką apkeisti vietomis (pvz. number of elderates nustumti į apačią), taip pat gal "settlements" pakeisti atgal į "cities", nes iš esmės čia yra rašomos tik oficialiai miesto statusą turinčios gyvenvietės (kai kurie kaimai už jas ir didesni). Galima, aišku, šitą praktiką ir kaip nors keisti, tik nežinau iš kur įvairių kaimų populiacijas paimti. Taip pat "counsel" turbūt turėtų būti "council" (taryba)? Kas dėl miestų lentelės, čia iškyla daugiausiai neaiškumų. Primiausiai, jos politikos skiltis iš esmės yra ne apie patį miestą, o savivaldybę, kas jau būtų kitame straipsnyje (pvz. Vilniaus miesto savivaldybė be Vilniaus dar apima ir Grigiškes, oficialiai atskirą miestą, nors ir tos pačios miesto savivaldybės dalį, todėl A. Zuokas teisingai yra Vilniaus miesto savivaldybės meras, o ne tiesiog Vilniaus meras. Telefonų kodai taip pat susiję su savivaldybėmis, o ne miestais, tas pats ir apie oficialias svetaines. Etnografiniai regionai didmiesčiams - irgi gana slidus dalykas, ypač Kaunui, kurio dalis vienoje Nemuno pusėje yra oficialiai Suvalkijoje, o kita - Aukštaitijoje. Nežinau, ar verta į "capital" rašyti istorinius dalykus, kaip laikinoji sostinė. Kad yra tų vienetų sostinė, galim apaminėti skliausteliuose po tų vienetų pavadinimų "location" skiltyje; nežinau tik ką daryti tokiu atveju su rajonų savivaldybėmis, kurių sostinės daug didmiesčių irgi yra, nors ir nėra jų dalis. Nelabai supratau, ką čia reiškia "number of neighborhoods", nes šitai turbūt labai subjektyvus dalykas - gi kvartalai/mikrorajonai, išskyrus seniūnijas, nėra oficialiai apibrėžti. Nežinau, kiek objektyvūs yra miestų dydžio ir tankumo dalykai - iš esmės tai irgi daugiau yra savivaldybių dalykai, miestas, kartais net priešingai oficialiam statusui, užima mažiau nei savivaldybė (t.y. ženklas baltu fonu su miesto pavadinimu, skelbiantis apie įvažiavimą į jį, yra toliau nei ženklas mėlynu fonu skelbiantis apie atvykimą į savivaldybę; kai kuriuos "miestus", pvz. Palangos, sudaro keli miesteliai), o tankumas priklauso nuo to, kiek aplinkinių teritorijų (miškų, pievų, laukų ir pan.) oficialiai prijungta prie miesto: Visagine tokių nėra, tad jis ir atrodo tankiausias, o pvz. Vilniuje tokių daug. Kaimų dydžius ir tankumus bus dar sunkiau nustatyti. Tad gal iš esmės verta palikti tik populiaciją? Jei norisi palikti "temporary capital", galima nebent dėti atskirą skirsnį "Pravardė", ten iš serijos Sostinė, laikinoji sostinė, uostamiestis, Lietuvos Čikaga, agurkų miestas, vasaros sostinė, karališkasis kurortas, Jonų miestas, saulės miestas, energetikų miestas ir pan. Bet būtų nelabai objektyvu ir oficialu. Iš esmės kas dėl miestų siūlyčiau palikti vietą (apskritį, savivaldybę, kaimams - seniūniją), kokių darinių sostinė yra, pirmo paminėjimo, miesto teisių suteikimo datas, populiaciją, pažymėjimą ant plano, herbą, seniūnijų skaičių; dėl politinės informacijos reiktų nurodyti į atitinkamos savivaldybės (ar seniūnijos, jei tai - miestelis) straipsnį. DeirYassin 16:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Kas dėl spalvų, sakyčiau turėtų būti trys intensyvumo lygiai: apskritis, savivaldybė ir seniūnija; nes kaimai ir miestai kaip ir neįeina į šį skirstymą, tad gal būt juos būtų galima žymėti kažkokia kitokia spalva (jei nenorima per daug nutolti nuo žalios, pvz. tokia žaliai mėlyna ar panašiai: tuomet šviesiausia spalva būtų miestų, turinčių savo savivaldybes, antra - turinčių savo seniūnijas, trečia - tiesiog seniūnijų centrams ir paskutinė - šiaip kaimams. Kitas variantas būtų intensyvumą keisti priklausomai nuo populiacijos. Trečias ir turbūt geriausias - intensyvumo išvis nekeisti, miestams/kaimams palikti tik vieną, atskirą, spalvą, nes iš esmės gyvenvietė, kad ir kokio ji dydžio - to paties "tipo" darinys; panašiai kaip ir skirtingų dydžių savivaldybės ar seniūnijos). Savivaldybės spalva galėtų būti kiek tamsesnė, ad labiau nuo apskrities skirtųsi. Gerai, Lietuvos sostines galima palikti. Tu teisi, kaimams/miesteliams etnografinį regioną bus galima įdėti. Gerai, iš esmės nuorodas turbūt irgi galima palikti. Kaimų lentelė būtų panaši į miestų, tik vietoj "number of elderates" būtų "elderate" prie location skilties ir dar plius regionas. Kas dėl miestų/kaimų, Panemunė Pagėgių savivaldybėje pvz. turi apie 400 gyventojų ir yra oficialiai miestas, tuo tarpu nemažai kaimų turi po kelis tūkstančius gyventojų. Miestai visi surašyti prie statistikos atskirai, galima sužinoti jų populiacijos ir pan. duomenis, todėl jie ten ir išskirti; su kaimais tai sunkiau. Čia kaip ir su Magdeburgo teisėmis kadais - miestu gyvenvietė buvo laikoma tik tuomet, jei jas turėjo; būdavo ir nusigyvenusių miestų su šiom teisėmis, buvo ir jų neturinčių didelių gyvenviečių. Gal tada iš esmės reikės pakeisti tą miestų sąrašą ir vietoje vien miestų dėjimo dėti ir kaimus - pavyzdžiui, dėti visas gyvenvietes virš 1000 arba virš 2000 gyventojų (o į apskričių lenteles - virš 5000 ar 10000). Tik, aišku, kaimų duomenis bus surasti sunkiau nei miestų ir gali būti šioks toks neišbaigtumas; nes miestų nėra daug (106 iš viso, taigi kiek mažiau nei vidutiniškai 2 į kiekvieną savivaldybę). Galima lentelę būtų ir išvis naikinti, o duomenis iškelti kur kitur, bet tuomet būtų neaišku, ar sostinė įeina į savivaldybės sudėtį, ar ne, ar yra daug miestų ir kokio jie dydžio ir pan, tad siūlyčiau ją palikti DeirYassin 19:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Na, lentelę tą, kur miestui su savo savivaldybe, naudotume miestams kurie turi savo savivaldybę ir/arba po kelias seniūnijas (nes ten būtų seniūnijų skaičius). Čia "po kelias seniūnijas" turiu aišku omeny po kelias seniūnijas miesto viduje, kaip Vilnius ar Kaunas - kaimiškoji seniūnija tai tas pats kas rajono savivaldybė aplink didmiestį - t.y. jokia miesto dalis ten neįeina, tik kad tame mieste yra seniūnijos centras. Šią lentelę realiai būtų galima panaudoti Vilniui, Kaunui, Klaipėdai, Šiauliams, Panevėžiui, Alytui ir Visaginui (Palangai ne, nes pats Palangos miestelis yra tik Palangos miesto savivaldybės dalis; nors iš Palangos straipsnio galima daryti nuorodą, kad oficialiai "Palangos miestas" (dar žinoma kaip Didžioji Palanga) sudaro visą Palangos miesto savivaldybę iki pat Latvijos sienos). Kita lentelė būtų kitoms gyvenvietėms: nedaug skirtųsi, bet ten būtų prie "vietos" ir seniūnija bei etnografinis regionas ir nebūtų seniūnijų skaičiaus. Jei yra miesto r kaimiškoji seniūnijos, tai gyvenvietės vieta būtų toji miesto seniūnija; bet prie "sostinė" būtų įvardytos abi seniūnijos, tiek miesto, tiek kaimiškoji. Jei gyvenvietė yra kaimiškojoje seniūnijoje tai prie vietos būtų įvardyta tiesiog ta kaimiškoji seniūnija. Gal dar reiktų miesto pravadę rašyti lietuviškai, o skliausteliuose angliškai; nes čia kaip ir su himno pavadinimu ar nacionaliniu šūkiu - jos pagrinde vartojamos lietuviškai, lietuviškuose šaltiniuose DeirYassin 09:54, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Gerai. Beje, manęs nebus kurį laiką. Sėkmės kuriant lenteles :) . DeirYassin 22:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Grįžau jau. Manau, kad viską padarei puikiai ir galima dėti lenteles į straipsnius :) . Gal tik kas konkrečiai dėl Kauno bus galima parašyti, kad tai buvo laikinoji Lietuvos sostinė, o ne tiesiog sostinė, nes oficialus statusas buvo toksai, bet šitą ir vėliau bus galima padaryti. Dar galima kas dėl miestų įrašyti ir kelinti pagal dydį jie savo apskrityje bei savo savivaldybėje, bet čia gal ir nebūtina. Kas dėl seniūnijos žemėlapio, kaip suprantu turbūt reiks parodyti jos vietą savivaldybėje o ne visoje Lietuvoje, nes pastaruoju atveju sunkiai įsižiūrėtų, nebent išdidintas (plano kampe nebent būtų galima uždėti mažą Lietuvos žemėlapį ir taškučiu pažymėti apytikslę seniūnijos vietą ant jo) - ar tavo nuomonė čia kita? Bet kokiu atveju, geriau baigsiu su savo perfekcionizmu :) . Ačiū už lenteles, ir sėkmės jas dedant :) DeirYassin 23:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Dėkoju :) . Kaip aš ten turėčiau prisidėti prie tokio prašymo? DeirYassin 11:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for the compliment. I wish I could take full credit, but most of the HTML was done originally by User:Blankfaze. I edited it around a lot though. Cheers --Ryan Delaney talk 03:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Tarybų respublikų himnai (ir veliavai, ir herbai...)[edit]


Šalyuose apie tarybų respublikų himnai, vėliavai ir herbai, respublikai yra kaip TSRS konstitucijoje: List_of_Soviet_Republics#Constitutional_order. Tik buvo 15 respublikų - nera sunku rasti, ką ieškome ... --Explendido Rocha 23:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Labas atkal!
(sorry my Lithuanian, but I haven't been in Lithuania for eight years now)
Actually, I think we should use the constitutional order, exactly because people in Zimbabwe don't know it (it's a way to learn it) - and also because it shows a (not so subtle) bias present in the Soviet leadership (my Estonian friends certainly weren't happy to have their republic always last - and to annoy them even more, Эstonia is the last in Russian anyway).
Perhaps we can have a public vote? --Explendido Rocha 08:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


Kiek pataisiau ir sudėjau nosines, paukščiukus, taškus ir brūkšnius (nors turbūt nėra gramatiškai tobula, nes mano paties gramatika nėra tokia gera). Taip pat pakeičiau laišką į daugiskaitą, nes sakei čia siųsi tu ir Knutux, dar gali pridėti mano vardą ir pavardę.

Čia laiškas:

Gerbiamas Dr. Pilipaiti,

Pirmiausia, norėtume Jums ir Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centrui padėkoti už labai vertingą ir reikalingą darbą kuriant nepaprastai tikslius ir aktualius Lietuvos ir pasaulio žemėlapius: tokius kaip, pavyzdžiui, žemėlapiai saugomi tinklapyje .

Šie žemėlapiai būtų tiesiog neįkainojami Vikipedijai, laisvajai enciklopedijai (angliška Vikipedija: , lietuviška Vikipedija: ). Šis nekomercinis ir pelno nesiekiantis internetinis projektas siekia sukurti laisvą ir nemokamą enciklopediją visomis kalbomis. Šiuo metu projektas yra aktyviai plėtojamas apie 100 skirtingų kalbų ir turi apie 1,5 milijono straipsnių (iš jų apie 700000 yra anglų ir apie 6000 - lietuvių kalba). Visi straipsniai yra kuriami savanorių, kurie negauna jokio atlygio. Deja, informacija apie Lietuvą yra fragmentiška ir nedetali. Tačiau Jūsų centro žemėlapiai tikrai pagelbėtų pildant spragas straipsniuose, šviečiant pasaulį ir skleidžiant informaciją apie Lietuvą įvairiomis pasaulio kalbomis. Tad, gerbdami Jūsų centro sunkų darbą ir autorines teises, Vikipedijos bendruomenės vardu maloniai prašome leidimo naudoti žemėlapius, esančius, įvairiems Vikipedijos projektams.

Žemėlapiai būtų naudojami pagal GNU Free Documentation License (arba tiesiog GDFL). Šios licencijos pagrindiniai bruožai:

1.Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centras leidžia visiems asmenims (ne tik Vikipedijos redaguotojams) laisvai naudoti, platinti ir keisti šiuos žemėlapius tol, kol šie asmenys nereiškia pretenzijų į autorines teises ir leidžia kitiems laisvai naudoti šiuos žemėlapius.

2.Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos Centras išsaugo žemėlapių autorines teises net jeigu žemėlapiai yra pakeisti neatpažįstamai. Tačiau centras nėra atsakingas už jokius pakeitimus.

Pilną oficialų GDFL tekstą anglų kalba galima rasti internete, adresu . Vikipedija naudoja šią licenciją, nes ji leidžia sukurti laisvą ir nemokamą enciklopediją tuo pačiu įvardijant ir atsidėkojant straipsnių bei iliustracijų autoriams.

Jei jūs manote, kad ši licencija Jums yra nepriimtina, mes visada atviri pasiūlymams ir kompromisams.

Ačiū už jūsų laiką ir dėmesį ir nekantraudami lauksime Jūsų atsakymo.


Vardai ir pavardės

Wikipedia won't collapse[edit]

You should have come to Wikimania, then you wouldn't think that Wikipedia is going to collapse soon of it's own weight. We have always more and more of dedicated contributors, and that will help a lot. Anyway, calm down your wikistress and... live! Domas Mituzas 22:36, 2005 September 1 (UTC)


Hi Renata. You might be interested in the Wikimedia Commons, a repository of free pictures. If you put your maps there, they can be used here in the normal way, and they can also be used on Wikipedias in other languages (for example, lt:Varėnos rajonas could then use Image:Varena district location.png). If you have any questions, please drop a note at my talk page. dbenbenn | talk 18:01, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Dėl tarmių ir kt.[edit]

Gerai. Labai gražios lentelės beje :) . Kas dėl savivaldybių planų (tokių kaip prie Mažeikių rajono savivaldybės), galima juose iš esmės surašyti seniūnijų pavadinimus, kad visiems būtų aišku, kur tiksliai - kuri. Gal ir seniūnijų sostines pažymėti. Na, bet čia neskubu aišku, nes tie vidaus planai dar retai kur ir yra. O šiaip, dėkoju už padarytą darbą :) . Dar, beje, prižiūrėk Kaliningrad Oblast, gali ant watch'o uždėt, nes ten yra vienas rusų nacionalistas, Ghirlandajo, kuris atmetinėja visus iš eilės teisingus ir pagrįstus pakeitimus (mano, Lokyz, Matsuhito, Lysy ir t.t.), siekia išvis panaikinti informaciją apie mažąją Lietuvą, deda gryną rusų POV ir panašiai. Jei taip tęsis ir toliau, gali tekti kažką daryti per administratorius, nes tai yra nesąmonė, kad jis vienas viską reguliuoja ir kitų redagavimus atmetinėja, į užklausimus straipsnio talk page jis dažniausiai neatsako, o jei rašai tiesiai jam į talką tai ištrina iš ten.DeirYassin 08:55, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Maps Petition[edit]

Hi Renata, Yes, I will sign. For what it is worth, my father, Vytautas Vepstas, is an avid collector of Lithuanian/Baltic maps, and has donated several old maps to the (I believe the very same, but I may be mistaken) archive. I have tried explaining to him several times, without success, what a wiki is, and what the gfdl is. Anyway, add my name, Linas Vepstas to the list. If it helps, make mention of such a connection. linas 22:52, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi, you can add me as well, my name is Peter Markusse. Markussep 08:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello Renata, my name is Dariusz Sucharski--Witkacy 11:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Dėl savivaldybių žemėlapio[edit]

Labas, norėjau pasiklausti ar neturėtumei ir negalėtumei duoti Image:Municipalities in Lithuania.png žemėlapio be pavadinimų. Nes labai jau gražus, bet "m." nelabai tinka lietuviškai Vikipedijai :). Dėkui iš anksto. Knutux 12:25, 2005 September 8 (UTC)


Could you tell me where you got the background maps for all those dot maps you have created? Renata3 16:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure, they're created dynamically by the Generic Mapping Tools. I think there's a blank one somewhere... Image:Gb4dot.png looks like a good one. Lupin 16:51, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

Thanks for the welcome note...see you around. --Easter Monkey 10:08, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Vilnius city mun location.png[edit]

Why did you request red on white? There are 60 such maps (User:renata3/gallery) and the rest of them are green on green (because it's sort of theme color for Lithuanian subdivisions). Renata3 17:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, green on green is hard to see, and I imagine the difference can be impossible for some people to make out. Of course, I think all the maps should be changed, not just one. Also, they should all be SVG now, and they should be put at the Wikimedia Commons instead of here. dbenbenn | talk 23:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
You wanna change them? :) 'cause for me they are fine as they are. And they are on commons - first they were here, and then uploaded to commons (my mistake, I admit). Renata3 01:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
No, sorry, too much work for me. Feel free to revert the one that got changed to red and white. (Though perhaps User:Mysid would be willing to change the colors on all of them?) By the way, is it okay with you if I delete the local versions, so the Commons versions will show? dbenbenn | talk 02:03, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Juan Moreira[edit]

Yes, I'm thinking of cleaning up that article and another one I've written. I will do it later, since I'm out of time these days. That article was based on a Spanish printed source and it contained several informal and gaucho slangs so it was very very difficult to translate and get the information organized. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 12:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Templates and Categories[edit]

Regarding your question on WP:CFD...I'm not an expert but I believe you need to do an edit of some kind to the pages that have the template on them in order to get the category to update. This can be a null edit (i.e. adding an extra space, etc.). Christopher Parham (talk) 06:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you got it sorted out....and thanks for the barnstar! Christopher Parham (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Šilutė district municipality[edit]

Ten buvo nurodytas Vainuto seniūnijos gyventojų skaičius(matomai kopijuota is oficialaus savivaldybės puslapio). Šilutės rajone antroje vietoje tarp miestelių turėtų būti Švėkšna, Ž.Naumiestis arba Rusnė, deja radau tik tikslų Švėkšnos skaičių. Matyt manęs gal ir nematysi, bet darbais stengsiuosi prisidėti, tiek lietuviškoje, tiek angliškoje laidoje. Linkėjimai iš ILLINOIS, USA. --Vytis1 14:11, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

What will kill Wikipedia[edit]

I agree entirely on what you are saying. The vandals always make big edits people know not to trust and are reverted quickly. Accuracy is no problem in long, looked-at articles (stubs are a different matter). But server size and lack of volunteers is a major threat. Unfortunatly life indeed does love irony; and there's only so much server room. Which means I can't say with any certainty that your prediction is wrong (I hope it is).'s going to take a long time before we get to that point, and everyone is happy to help and prevent this. Right? Right? HereToHelp 01:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

  • I guess I could split the Community portal up, but I think we should give people time to eliminate all possible opposition before doing something and come up with names for the two new portals. I like Help portal, but To-do portal? Maybe Open tasks portal, or something someone else might suugest. Give it time, I think it will come out well. As for What will kill Wikipedia, just hope we're wrong. I'm going to copy this over to your userpage so you see it. (you'd think we'd figure out how to have it all in one place, you know? Until then see both of our talk pages.) Regards, HereToHelp 18:47, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm going to have to archive this disscussion in its entirety later...sigh. Sure, I'll draft the Help portal , because I'm sure of it's name, but later. HereToHelp 23:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Ok, speaking of archiving, I went ahead and got all the responses on my talk page. If you want to save youself the trouble, go and copy and paste it to your (this) page. HereToHelp 01:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thanks for supporting my RfA. I will use my new powers wisely! --Wikiacc (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Maintenance colab[edit]

Thanks for the heads up...while I was re-adding the link, I see the Community Portal still needs fixing up. Whee! -- Beland 23:01, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

List of national coats of arms[edit]

Best to break them out into a seperate list like List of non-sovereign nation flags. Certainly basing the main list on List of Soverign states does make life much easier from the POV side of things. You might like to add a comment to Talk:List of sovereign states (where I have mentioned you name) because if a line was added to that, then a link to "flags of" and "coat of arms of" might be the solution for both. Philip Baird Shearer 09:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


Sure Renata, I'll try to dig and come up with something. It's just something I knew all my life. The expellees were settled in the southern parts of former East Prussia. In fact, half of the population of the Warmińsko-Mazurskie Voivodship is descended from the expellees from Lithuania. My dentist's family was settled in Lidzbark Warmiński for example. Who told you it's not true? Space Cadet 00:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about "Reniu", but it just wrote itself. In Polish it means "dear Renata", that's it. I will temporarily delete the statement in question and find something to your satisfaction. Space Cadet 12:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Ukraine is a different story to me, because my own huge familiy was expelled from Lwów. I need to ask you something: Are you also questioning the expulsions of Germans from the "Recovered Territories" or just the expulsions of Poles from the former Eastern Poland. Space Cadet 15:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

bot question[edit]

It fixes many problems (such as people calling external links "weblinks" etc.) but yes, most of the problems it finds are capitalisation. It changes them to the capitalisation in general use and specified the the manual of style. thanks Martin 08:33, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thank you so much for nominating me for adminship, I wasn't really expecting it quite so soon. I am quite speechless!, although I still managed to blab on when answering the candidate questions on my RfA. I have added it to the main list as you requested. Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Wackymacs. I have accepted the RfA and answered the questions. Heck...I'm even blabbing now *tapes my mouth shut* Many thanks again! — Wackymacs 19:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

  • It is hard for you to say I should keep cool when someone was rude to me behind my back, and lots of people are voting unfairly on the basis of edit summaries and one wrongly tagged image. I am obviously not going to get the administrator tools because of a few idiots arguing over edit summaries and other silly reasons. How do I withdraw the RfA? — Wackymacs 06:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: Some strange festival[edit]

Unfortunately, I can't answer with any "correct" answer, as I haven't specifically studied ancient Latvian traditions and festivals. However, my common sense tells me this was probably meant to be Katrīnas diena ('the day of Katrina', which nevertheless ocurs in November 25, not November 5), but I have never ever heard of any festivals associated with this date.

As far as I know, most of the articles in English Wikipedia that are about the mythology of ancient Latvia are from some strange source and need to be reviewed. --Jūzeris | Talk 21:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


Greetings. Unfortunately, I had to temp block the user who was trying to make WP an umlaut-free zone! I think that I have reverted all of the removals. If it comes up again, let me know. Regards, --Fire Star 16:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

For determining sockpuppetry, you have to be a bit of a detective. You have to look at the timestamps of the edits, the area of the edits and the nature of the edits. Over time, patterns start to show themselves. For instance, Diacrit never discussed his edits at all. Does the new guy edit this way? Even so, it is an inexact science. Until it is clear, the best way to act in good faith is to treat the suspected sockpuppet as a different user. If the user vandalises, he gets warned 1, 2 or 3 times (depending on the nature of the vandalism) and gets blocked in turn if they continue. If a new one pops up immediately after that doing the same things, then the indefblockeduser and sockpuppet templates come into play. If the puppets (or their bots) are attacking just one page, or a small suite of pages over and over sometimes temp protecting the page(s) is a time saving option. Cheers, --Fire Star 16:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Wow! I take some time off and miss all the fun! I'm glad everybody pitched in the way they did. Cheers, --Fire Star 13:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Urgent vandal help needed[edit]

Diacrit (talkcontribslogsblock userblock log) (blocked) - persistent user who creates numerous user names to remove Template:Foreignchar from various articles. Created user names include: User:Jeaijij, User:Agraman, User:Oagafauou, User:Qesecaue, User:Uefot, User:Huaelo, User:Bifo, User:Timoa, User:Feoouubiao, User:Eooaqinol, User:Xeuuces, and that's only ones I have caught on recent changes page. Most of them have only 1 edit. And list is growing every second! just look at new user log. Renata3 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You should ask for help at WP:AN/I or WP:AIV. --cesarb 22:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I believe that every sockpuppet of the vandal up to the present time is blocked and their edits reverted. Unfortunately, this person seems to be using multiple IPs, so it's a bit problematic to block him by IP. -- Curps 12:36, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments. I enjoy WP and my enthusiasm shows no sign a waning although I think I shall move to a differnt task soon, maybe go over some of thiose stubs and turn them into proper articles. I agree with you about the edit summary but I get lazy. ping 07:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

FireFox RFA[edit]


Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!

FireFox 19:08, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair use for coa[edit]

You wrote (on my talk page): Thanks for your answer fair use for coa, but I am bringing this here. Hope you don't mind. I have uploaded all the coa's in List of cities in Lithuania and some more. But what I should do now? Redraw them? Most of them are from,,, or Very few are from gov sites.

Note: I have no idea what is fair use (even though I have read the wiki article about it) and I hate law. So if you could just tell me what to do... :) Also my graphic abilities on scale from 0 to 10 are about 1. So redrawing them is not really an option for me. Renata3 20:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a simple answer. You could ask for someone qualified to redraw them; or you could post this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fair use and ask for a clearer guideline there; or you could use a template which claims fair use and try to proved a proper rationale; or you could not have images of the coats of arms.
Fair use is a tricky but important legal doctrine in US copyright law. It says that when you use a limited amout of an admittedly copyrighted work for a proper purpose, in a way that doesn't hurt the copyright owner too much, you are acting leagally. Ther is no automatic formula for what is and what sin't fair use. The only way you know for sure that soemthing is fair use is if soemone sues you for copyright infringmenbt, you defend on the grounds of fair use, adn the court rules in your favor. it is very much a case by case question, and depends hevily on the facts of the particular case. You can be almost sure if soemone esle has used a simialr copyrighted work in much the same way, and has won in court. If there has been no court case very similer to yours, then you have to tro ro reason from less similar cases, adn guess what the court would do if you were sued. Fair use is a defense, which means it is only raised by someone who has been sued for copyright infringment. The classic form of fair use is a book reviewer who quotes passages from the book under reveiw to analyze them, or the teacher who makes copies of a passage for his class, to serve as the basis for a lesson or discussion. Note that in both cases the person using the copyrighted work is analyzing or discussing thst work, not just copying it. Note also that neither uses the whole work, only a small part of it. Note that neither is at all likely to hurt the comercial intersts of the copyright holder -- people will not refrain from buying a book because they can read a reveiw instead. Note also that both uses are of a kind generally considered socially beneficial. These are the kinds of factors considered when determing whether a use of copyrighted materiel is fair use.
Wikipedia tends to be suspicious of fair use, partly because it is often claimed by people who realy mean "I don't have any right to use this, but i want to and don't think it does any harm". Also, sicne part of what makes soemthign fair use is whether it is being used in a commercial setting, contet that is acceptable fair use for wikipedia itself might not be for comercial mirrors and re-users of wikipedia content. Also fair use is specific to US copyright law, and similar concepts in the laws of other countries where they exist, are much more restrictive. Because of all of this, our fair use policies are rather more restritive than the law probably requires.
I'm sorry not to be more help, this is a tricky and complex subject, and much depends on the exact source of the content being sued, who the copyright holder is, and exactly how it is being used. DES (talk) 21:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Copied from User Talk:DESiegel: Ok, thanks for such a long answer. But are coa's copyrighted? I mean, some family coa might be, but governmental? If I would redraw them, how somebody would say that I did not just copy paste it from somewhere, because they all are the same. There is one original, confirmed by a decrete by the president and then it is reproduced by others. How do I reproduce reproduction so it could be released to public domain?
I just read a copyright law by the Lithuanian government. Now it reads (official translation):
Article 5. Works not Attributed to the Subject Matter of Copyright
1. Copyright shall not apply to:
3) official state symbols and insignia (flags, coat-of-arms, anthems, banknote designs, and other state symbols and insignia);
Now the question is: are city, municipality and county coa's official state symbols?
Ah, I loved that template... Such a no-brainer... And I hate law. :) Renata3 03:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Well in traditional heraldry, the only official think is the balzon, the written description, and different heraldic artists can do different versions of the CoA which all match the blazon, but are not identical in artistic detail, and which would be subject to copyright by the artist or the artist's employer. In more modern use, particuarlly by a goverment or institution, the actual visual form would be official, and all correct versions would be direct copies. In the latter case there is less of a copyright issue, IMO.
I think CoA's probably are "State symbols" under the above law, but not every country has that law -- some claim copyright in state symbols, I think. I think the above law would be reason enouigh to create {{tl:LithuanianStateSymbol}} which would declare that anything taggeds with it was a Lithuanian state symbol, and exempt from copyright under that law. if you send me the details on the source of the law (so that I can cite it proerply -- I mean it's official titel or number or whatever, and where you got the official translation) I will create that template, and that will solve the probelm for Lithuanian governmental CoAs. DES (talk) 15:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of theatres in Mumbai[edit]

Could you please revisit this AFD. I think you might want to consider changing your vote based on the comments I added. - Mgm|(talk) 14:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for your comments. Well, the thing which I would like to stress is that the oppose votes is based on WP:NOT, but fails to mention the exact criteria. "Indiscriminate information" does not apply here as it has limits. I'll try and clean it up, though I have very little time on my hands till next week. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I have attempted to clean up the article. Added a lead, references and an image. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:59, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Didn't have much time, but I have neatened it. I don't know if that will change your vote though. (I am really hard pressed for time to improve it any further at the moment) =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The Great Scandal[edit]

Just to report addition of links, the one naming it The Great Scandal, from India, I consider a good round up . Not sure its strong about the German Monarchy restoration 1929/30 conspiracy. One's head spins with source and era . It costs time , I know , but you could do a quick check for NPOV or what . ps WP's 80 hours a day sometimes , year in yr out . thanx? EffK 17:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Paper Clips Project, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Hello, Renata. Do you know what happened to DeirYassin? I haven't seen him here in a while... Halibutt 02:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

No, of course I don't take it too much to my heart, though I do take it personally (as people are judging who I am, which is a pretty personal thing). As to my alleged or real bias I would be really glad if you provided me with some diffs and links. Perhaps not now, perhaps after this whole RfA ends, but it would really be helpful. So far many people accused me of bias or pushing some irrational POV, though seldom was I able to speak of some specific issues. Anyway, take care and say hello to Deir once you meet him. In a way I miss him as we still have lots of open issues and there are not enough Lithuanian speakers to help us with the sources... Halibutt 03:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
No need to be sorry about the spelling, it's 5AM here and I've been at work for some 24 hours now. A new day is starting and it will not end any time soon...
A to your comments - I must say that I'm quite puzzled as I remember the whole thing differently. I listened to all proposals and decided to stay with mine. At the same time I also work on finding some better solution (together with Piotrus, Irpen and many other guys) to suit all and fit in all articles on cities, be them in Poland, Ukraine or Rwanda. Anyway, it's kind of sad when people remember you as the person to refuse to accept some crazed users trying to pretend that the city in question was Lithuanian since times immemorial and not as the guy who wrote most of the article on Vilnius, or whatever you want to call that city. So, basically, people critisize me for defending my point of view at the talk pages, sometimes completely forgetting that the article pages are in most cases unaffected by the content disputes... Anyway, have a good day/night. Halibutt 04:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if we can find a single unbiased (100% NPOV) editor at wiki. As users of various nationalites who have cast their support behind him have attested, Halibutt is always willing to discuss and reach a consensus. But if you know of some events that disprove this, please let me know. Otherwise, maybe you should reconsider your vote for neutral? Or do you really think that Halibutt would abuse the admin rights if he was given them?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure, I can understand that - I just wanted to make sure you were certain about your vote and the difference between opposing somebody and being neutral. I'd have thought that Halibutt defence of Vilnus against Zvinbudas vandal would have earned him the respect and friendship of most Lithuanian editors. I wish DY was here, I'd very much like to see his vote there (can you contact him on wiki-lt perhaps?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Same time here (I am now in Pittsburgh :>). It's kind of funny how people tend to remember the controversies and forgot the good deeds - but this is life (and we all know what's her nickname :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

DY has voted in support of Halibutt and added an extensive comment. Would this cause you to review your vote? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

How so? I am all for constructive criticism, so I'd appreciate the info what I could have done better.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:50, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. WikiThanks.
I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the barnstar. I'm not sure I deserved it being a conflict user, but still. That was nice, especially considering your lack of faith in me. Halibutt 21:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Centre for Cartography letter ?[edit]

Hi Renata, I'm curious, was there any success to your letter to Vilnius University Cartography Center ? --Lysy (talk) 19:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Street Fighter template[edit]

I've put the width back to 100%, but I'd really rather keep the ndash's for now (tho I did replace them with the unicode ndash (not to be confused with a hyphen on ye olde keyboard) so they wouldn't look so ugly when viewed/edited). BTW, sorry for the lag time in responding, I missed your reply till today! :( —Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 22:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


I am now an admin, and I simply wanted to say thank you for your support! Steve block talk 09:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The Great Wikipedia Turkey-fest![edit]

I did the relative thing at my brother's house on Thursday. Lots of fun, but I have a cold and so does my wife. Hers is pretty nasty, so she rested up here at home, I made the appearnace (and indulged in a great meal) and drove home that same night. With four days off, I've been spending more time doing other things. Too much fun.  :) - Lucky 6.9 02:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy and cheerful, yes. Wikipedia is a real downer this weekend. This site is getting really, really nuts. It's geting harder to contribute in positive ways, but I persist. - Lucky 6.9 03:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Yay! Unfortunately, I didn't bring home any turkey nor any of my mother's incredible stuffing. On the other hand, I'm going out for some fish tacos in a few minutes! Only in California. - Lucky 6.9 03:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 00:49, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


I'm rather afraid I can't... Angela came to Australia for a few days and I quizzed her on it. It's all verbal, I'm rather afraid! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I never overly worry about what's going on in the Wiki. I just focus on my articles, and put my $0.02 in when I feel it warrants :) And I use WP:SIGN to keep me up to date! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it has already happened. However, you wouldn't notice it: it's on one tools page and is helping us by giving us a reciprocal royalty. I think it's a good thing, personally. It's hardly intrusive. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:16, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Lithuanian Copyright symbols[edit]

I noticed your post regarding Lithuanian law and copyright. This is probably farfetched but I was wondering if Latvia passed similar laws. See, I am trying to upload the flag of Courland,, but it appears that copyright would prohibit it unless a special case would apply. The flag is sourced from a 1936 book, and is of a former nation. So I don't know if it would qualify even with the law, or if it would qualify because it is no longer a nation. Sorry, this post was a bit of a ramble. Have a good day! Falphin 03:54, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your reply. I'll see if anyone their knows. I don't have any tools on my computer to redraw the flag, and I have tried finding a free program on the net but haven't been successful.(Probably just looking in the wrong places). Thanks again. Falphin 19:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Rune stone, categories - information out of control[edit]

Remembered your comments from my talk page, and just wanted to let you know of some suggestions & tests being thought upon at Talk:Rune_stone. If you have some time, I'd appreciate your input or suggestions! Mceder 01:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Nandrolone Decanoate[edit]

Hey Renata...I removed the copyvio portions from Nandrolone Decanoate (i.e., most of the article), as well as the speedy delete tag. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on perhaps renaming the article in accordance with the names given on the page referenced in the stub. Tomertalk 04:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I.e., Deca Durabolin or Nandrolone ... Tomertalk 04:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... nevermind :-) I'm gonna turn it into a redirect to Nandrolone and include the Reference link in that article. Cheers, Tomertalk 04:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: Adminship, thanks :-); RE: Anabolics, yeah, I was never a big fan of Chemistry either. :-p; RE: that article, the only part that wasn't a copyvio was the first sentence and a half.  :-p Tomertalk 04:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. I don't have time to take care of it right now, but it looks like all of that user's contribs are essentially expansion on copyvios. :-\ Tomertalk 04:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Mai Neng Moua[edit]

I've restored it - 700 seems notable enough to me. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 04:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[edit]

Dear Renata, I think I had a bit of new-born-user when I wrote that. Yes, I received a generic permission through e-mail from one of the webmasters, but later administrator criticed me for I moved tons of material and pictures from that site to Wikipedia. Somewhere I read that their images are public domains, however. But I can't be more specific, sorry. Hugs from Attilios.

Labas! About rewriting them... yow!, I asked to used their text exactly 'cause I feel terrific to write about art. That's difficult... And I'm not a master in English, just currently trying to learn to write better. Ate. Attila. P.S.: "Ate" and "Labas" are exactly all my knowledge of Lithuanian. How about your Italian?
So how far did it get? Can those articles stay? I would like to end it once and for all. Renata3 22:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi, can you fill me in on where you fit in this. I don't remember speaking to you about the WGA problem. -- JJay 22:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Please take part in the improval of this article[edit]

Hello. I would like to inform you that there is an ongoing discussion at article Territorial claims of the Baltic States (formerly was known as "Lost territories of the Baltic States", but was recently renamed; some users seems to disagree with that renaming). Recent edits as well were accused of POV, and, in fact, article was disputed for a long time already. There are currently no Lithuanian contributors to that article, therefore your opinion is much needed. It would be nice if you would add that article to your watchlist and continue helping to improve it until a decition will be reached about its future (there is currently a poll about it in the article's talk page). I hope together we all will be able to make that article neutral. Kaiser 747 10:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi! I'm having trouble uploading my photo. The photo is in public domain. The image first appeared on Government public access t.v. Channel 17 in Burlington, Vermont in 2004. It was re-aired on C-Span as public domain. and Every time I try to upload it I recieve a message that says: "." is not a recommended image file format. Have any ideas?

Partitions of Poland[edit]

Would you take a look at talk:Partitions of Poland. We are discussing a possible change of the name of the article there and I believe that a Lithuanian perspective view would be helpful. --Lysy (talk) 10:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, Renata! I can tell you for sure that I do have that information. Problem is, it's very scattered and unorganized (which is, along with the lack of time, is the reason why I stopped working on the project for a while). The other thing is that most of it is in Russian. If you have no problem with Russian (which is probably not the case, because it's not in your Babel box), I'll be more than glad to ship you everything I have so far. If Russian is an obstacle, I can translate the bulk of the information so you'll have a good starting point, but that may take a while (and a long while at that). Please let me know what you prefer.

And, hey, great job on Subdivisions of Lithuania! A very interesting and a high-quality article so far.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 02:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Please check your mailbox—I sent you some materials you might find useful.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


No, they are not exactly the same but the redirect is the best could be done now. You're right that all this is a bit confusing. The orders divided, joined and changed their names throughout history. To make it more complicated, the names and other datails are often different in various countries. Benedictines is one of the names used in Poland (and Lithuania ?) to call one of the Franciscan orders: Friars Minor. I'm not sure if this name is recognized in English, but I've created the redirect in hope to avoid some confusion (but I created more instead ?). --Lysy (talk) 09:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You may be right, that this is something different. Probably that's the matter of wrong (and naive) translation. Need to investigate. --Lysy (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Pažaislis monastery[edit]

If you have a minute, maybe you could take a look at and hopefully improve Pažaislis monastery, a small article that I've started recently but do not have enough information to expand. --Lysy (talk) 09:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You've been barnstarred![edit]

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I hereby award you the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for your monumental edits to Lithuanian litas. Keep up the great work! Flag of Europe and Austria.svg ナイトスタリオン 15:34, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply re:your Partitions of Poland inquiry[edit]

Crossposted with my user talk page.

Wow, the discussion for some reason reminds me of that at Talk:Oleg of Chernihiv and Talk:Mikhail of Chernihiv. It is a mix of nationalism, Wikipedia policy issues, common English use issues, the terms used by other encyclopedias and literature on the subject. All in all, I believe it boils down to the general naming policy of Wikipedia, except in this case we are not talking of the name of a place, but of how the series of events should be named. I'd recommend to bring this to a higher level by initiating something like Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Geographic names; only, of course, it would be regarding the names of historic events.

I also choose not to participate in the discussion—partially because I am not so sure myself which name is better, partially because I am going to be eaten by both Polish and Lithuanian editors :), and partially because it looks like a time committment I cannot afford at this time. I am sure, though, that you will be able to find other Russian editors who would be delighted to participate.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for awarding me a barnstar. I, perhaps, do not completely deserve it, both because the project is not finished and because I had too much fun working on it :) I will wear it with pride, though. Thank you!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:26, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Polish monarchs[edit]

Hi Renata3, I think the situation with Polish monarchs is different. The naming has been giving historians headaches for a long time. There's no real consensus so we're trying to hash it out on the talk page. As far the the PoP/PoPLC is concerned, I don't believe Google results are the answer to everything. The argument I've been trying to make for not moving the article consists of two parts: 1) that PoP is a valid term 2) that PoP is used *much* more often than any other term. I provide the Google results to prove the second part by illustrating the overwhelming difference in usage. If there difference wasn't so dramatic, I wouldn't be opposed to the move. Appleseed (Talk) 00:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, sorry about not being precise with my Google comment. It's my understanding that some folks on WP use Google like it's the be-all and end-all. I was only trying to say that the Google results were only one part of my argument, and the reason I was using them was because they were so dramatic. Appleseed (Talk) 02:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Regarding your suggestion to create a disambig page--even before the proposal to move the PoP article, I was going to create "main articles" for each of the partitions with links from PoP. But by turning the PoP article into a disambig page, we would have a disambig where other languages have an actual article. More imporantly, we would still need to come up with titles for the three partitions. I assume you would prefer First Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth rather than First Partition of Poland. But what about the second and third ones, which occurred after the May 3 Constitution? If you do not want to call it the Second Partition of Poland, would calling it the Second Partition of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth be valid? Appleseed (Talk) 02:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Request for English verifying[edit]

Hi. I extensively rewrote the article St. Sebastian (Mantegna). As I'm not so confident about my English, can I ask you to jump there for a minute and correct savagely what you feel bad written? Thanks. Attilios.

My RFA[edit]

Hey Renata3! Thanks for your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


Hello. Firstly, thank you for contributing at the article Territorial claims of the Baltic States and its discussion. I would like to notify you that I will leave to Frankfurt soon where I will spend quite much time; thus I won't be on Wikipedia for long. Therefore, I would like to ask you and others to continue to contribute there and watch that a solution would be reached, factually accurate name would be chosen, and the article wouldn't just stay disputed forever as it used to be previously. Check the article from time to time (or, even better, put it on watch list) and if you will see that no one discusses anything anymore nor edits the article for a long time (e.g. a week), try to act by implementing voting decition and such. Good luck! (you shouldn't reply to this by the way as most likely I won't be able to check Wikipedia anytime soon as I will leave quickly). Merry Christmas to you :) .Kaiser 747 09:51, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Paksas, litas ir t. t.[edit]

Sveika. Ačiū už žinutę. Vistiek apie Lietuvą angliškai wikipedi'joje straipsnių yra, ir kai kas yra pasakyta. Tobulinti reikėtų, be abejonės. Gaila aš pats užsiėmęs dar vienu savanorišku neatlyginamu darbu, tai laisvalaikį tenka dalinti pusiau. Todėl ir pasirodau daug rečiau negu galėčiau kąnors esmingesnio nuveikti. Dėl lito, tai aš šiokios tokios medžiagos turiu, tik neturiu litų nuotraukų. Bet tas gali užtrukti. Dar mano disketėje guli būtinos ir svarbiausios pataisos Vilniui, istorijos skyreliui. Ten yra didelė klaida, sakant, kad Lietuviai iškeitė nepriklausomybę į Vilnių. Taip tikrai nebuvo, bet Lenkams, matyt, šita versija bus patikusi. Taip ir nepaleidžiu tų pataisų. Taip pat ir su Paksu pradėjau. Bet ten jau buvo gerokai sąmoningai iškraipytai pradėta rašyti, nesinorėjo laukti. Parašiau į discussions pslpį nieko nekeisdamas todėl, kad norėjau pažiūrėti, kas čia per žmonės taip “pagražino” Pakso aprašymą, ar puls jie atitaisinėti ir t. t. Nepagalvok, kad norėjau tam parašyti, kad kažkas kitas būtinai imtų ir taisytų. Dabar atrodo viskas ramu: kažkada jau galėsiu užsiimti ir pataisyti.

Beje, nemėgstu aš tų lietuvių-lenkų karų wikipedi'joje. Jeigu ir dalyvauju, tai tik, kaip sakau, kad kažkam vistiek reikia.

Tai tiek. Pasistengsiu, jei kada išpešiu laisvesnę minutę, prisėsti prie wikipedi'jos. Linas Lituanus 13:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Gerai. Dėl lito bus. Jeigu nesuspėsiu angliškai, tai bent lietuviškai atsiųsiu svarbiausius duomenis. Turiu gerą straipsnį apie tai. Tik ten nuotraukos laikraštinės kokybės kaip maždaug sakiau. Pats galiu tik 2 ir 5 litų (pagrindinio leidimo monetų) nuotraukas padaryti – turiu monetas :)) (juokauju...tikėkimės nereikės). Ir Tau linksmų švenčių. Linas Lituanus 16:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

ĮDĖJAU LIETUVIŠKAI medžiagos apie litą. Linas Lituanus 16:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Reply by SCA[edit]

I didn't intend to offend you. This is not an argument to "throw away Lithuania" at all (I'm married to a Lithuanian from Vilnius!), but rather an argument against the more complex title for the partitions on an English-speaking site. All we're talking about is the title. If I were Lithuanian, I might feel sad that few English speakers know anything about my country, but I wouldn't take offense over it. Anyhow, Atleiskite. Sca 18:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I know they don't know. And it's ok with me as long as they show at least a tiny bit of interest and willingness to know. But to say "Ah, I don't care; I can't find on the map, I cannot pronounce the name, and thus it does not exist for me" - I take it deep into my heart. And that's exactly what were you saying (in very different words, though). Renata3 18:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
No, that's not what I was saying. You misunderstood. Sca 02:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Krzysztof Zygmunt Pac, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 06:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Voice samples[edit]

Hi there! Recording voice samples is fairly easy. If you're using Window$ XP, then you don't have to install the microphone, just connect it to the correct port (micro port, not the headphones) and it should work fine. If it still does not work, you might want to check the sound volume settings, at times the micro is muted by default - just uncheck the box then and it should work just fine.

As to the software used, I strongly reccomend Audacity. It's the best program out there, it's free and it's easy to use. As to the tips and tricks - after recording the sample, you might want to separate the stereo onto two channels and save only one of them in mono, it is much lighter and the quality is just fine. Also, try to cut out as much silence as you can, it saves a lot of space. Halibutt 12:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

It's great! I thought I might critisize it, but alas! there's nothing to critisize for me :) As to other tips - apparently your microphone is much better than mine. In most of my voice samples I have to do quite some work to de-noise the background (Audacity is good at it, BTW). Halibutt 12:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Your recent contribution(s) to the Wikipedia article Krzysztof Zygmunt Pac are very much appreciated. However, you did not provide references or sources for your information. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a drive to improve the quality of Wikipedia by encouraging editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. If sources are left unreferenced, it may count as original research, which is not allowed. Can you provide in the article specific references to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content in the article? You can use a citation method listed at How to cite sources. Thanks! mikka (t) 21:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Howcheng's RfA[edit]

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again. howcheng {chat} 07:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Spinmaster plantpot AFD[edit]

Hi, I was reminded by User:Search4Lancer that you recently tried to close the Spinmaster plantpot article. I deeply appreciate your help, but there's some times when an AFD closure is best left to an admin. Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-Administrators_closing_discussions is a great place to read about it. I've went ahead and finished it. Good luck on your quest for Adminship. If you have any questions, please ask. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 09:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Closing AfDs[edit]

Hi Renata3. Regarding your closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anathemacious, as a non-admin, you should only close AfDs that do not result in a Delete. Consensus for delete should only be reached by an admin. I used to close VfDs (the precursor to AfDs) back when I was a non-admin, and I would never touch the delete results, not matter how overwhelming. Thanks, and keep up the good work! --Deathphoenix 16:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Thanks. Renata3 16:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
No problems. Seeing as how you do good work, including janitorial work, you might want to pursue adminship at some point in the near future. :-) --Deathphoenix 17:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Cynna Neele/archive1[edit]

I'm really not sure what you want me to add. Would you be able to be a bit more specific? Ambi 00:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


As a general rule, if I find a bunch of articles on a particular topic or linked by a very strong common theme, such as location, I tend to make a category for them. There certainly are quite a few article about Kaunas, so I don't see why a cateogory is inappropriate. Often, once a category is created, other articles start being put in, including ones that are hard or impossible to navigate to from the main article (in this case, Kaunas). Logically, you're right that Kaunas belongs in Kaunas County, not the other way round, but Lithuanian geography (unlike Poland) hasn't been categorised by county, so for the moment the best fit is to put the Kaunas County article into the Kaunas category. The best solution would be to make a Kaunas County category, then make the Kaunas category a subcat of that, but since that would involve (for consistency) categorising all of Lithuania by county, I haven't done it (at least not yet!). Thanks for the comment.

Thanks for the feedback. You may have noticed that I've made a start on categorising by County, but I am having trouble distinguishing cities/towns/villages, except that sometimes populations seem absurdly small for a "city" - I wonder if "city" has a particular meaning in Lithuania? This would seem to be suggested by the apparently comprehensive List of cities in Lithuania. A lot of the stub articles are pretty dire, often not stating the county/municipality of the settlement, which doesn't help matters! And there's a lot of towns and "cities" appearing in red, which is a bad sign. It is worth remembering that some East European states have stubs about many of their villages - Lithuania shows signs of having been neglected a bit! I'd appreciate any help that you could give me by putting down some decent stubs for the left-out towns/cities/villages and trying to sort out what the city vs town business is all about... Also, I note that various Lithuanian articles about buildings or institutions don't specify what city/town they are in, which is a bit annoying! Any blanks you could fill in would be welcome. Many thanks, --TheGrappler 02:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week[edit]

You voted for Human genome to be improved while it was listed on WP:IDRIVE. This article is now nominated on Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week. Please consider supporting it with your vote. --Fenice 13:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


Thank you, and thanks for the reminder about sources. I'll make a point of it. --RobthTalk 20:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Greek literature a candidate at the Wikipedia:European Union collaboration[edit]

You have supported Greek literature at the WP:IDRIVE some time ago. I have now renominated it at the new Wikipedia:European Union collaboration. Please consider supporting it there if you are still interested! --Fenice 13:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Paul Kane[edit]

Thanks a lot for your detailed comments. See Talk:Paul Kane about the image placement. You might be seeing white space if you're using a small font, but placing them differently separates the images from the text relating to them. Maybe we'll just have to write more text in that "works" section. Oh, and the article already is on FAC (with a clean record of six supports so far :-). Maybe User:Captmondo can find the book, he's located in Toronto... Lupo 14:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


My first barnstar.

Lotsofissues 18:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

There are many others with more edits who aren't admins. Editing is an anonymous task, especially in such a large community, so, I guess, those who are nominated faster formed friendship bonds here. Lotsofissues 19:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I would be happy to accept your nomination.  :-) Lotsofissues 19:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, I have filled out the form. Lotsofissues 23:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Pavarai ![edit]

Geras, neblogai darbuojiesi Lietuvos vardan sioj Vikipedijoj... Triusas nenueis veltui. Aciu ! Veneto 16:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


User_talk:Tobias_Conradi#Dab_pages Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


Renata, I'm from Tbilisi, Georgia and i have a question - will you finally STOP adding parts of Georgia to a list of sovereign states? I'm sick and tired of correcting this marasmic blunder, which you are so stubbornly "reverting". Probably you want Klaipeda's coat of arms to appear in a sovereign states' coat of arms list?

As to the list of the sovereign states: you should read it CAREFULLY. I am sure you know about the difference between a sovereign state and an unrecognized (de facto independent) state. As you could notice, I don't touch the flag list of the unrecognized states. I will (or somebody else will) "touch" it, when the de facto situation changes, which possibly will take place quite soon. But there is a difference between an UNRECOGNIZED state and a sovereign state like Spain or South Africa. The flags and coat of arms of the unrecognized states should be in the unrecognized states' lists, not in the lists of the sovereign states' flags and coat of arms.

Look, I have told this before: all complaints go to List of sovereign states. As long as the state/territory/whatever is in the list, its COA is in the gallery. Simple. The only thing I can do is to add a note. Renata 19:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif An Award
I, —Nightstallion (?), award this Tireless Contributor Barnstar to Renata for her grand work on Counties of Lithuania.

General picture ideas[edit]

Hi! I have an idea for more NYC pictures. Why not take pictures of NYC schools, e.g. Forest Hills High School of Forest Hills, Queens. WhisperToMe 02:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Yes, it's a lot of schools. If you want, you can only do the ones in your (or one) borough and let the others in your Wikiproject do the rest.

EDIT: A few other pictures:

WhisperToMe 02:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Transportation in NYC[edit]

Hello Renata - I notice you're a member of WikiProject New York City. Check out the Transportation in New York City sub article. It tells a fascinating story and it's been nominated to be a US Collaboration of the Week after lots of work over the last few weeks. Check it out and if you like it, please vote for it. We need all the votes we can get! Wv235 04:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


Why should Maura be redirected to Maura Tierney? Would you like someone looking for information on your name to be redirected to Renata Daninsky? Maura Tierney is only one of 225 entries to come up in a search for Maura. 18:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

RfA review[edit]

I received your message requesting an RfA review. I'd be glad to conduct the review. However, please understand I am currently badly back logged on significant requests. It took me more than two weeks to get around to completing Chairboy's RfA, and I have another one in the queue before your review.

I'd like to ask that you don't consider Wikipedia to be ungrateful if nobody nominates you. As you note, you work in more obscure areas to a significant extent. This means you're not going to get as readily noticed. It has nothing to do with gratefulness, and everything to do with happening to cross in front of someone's eyes who has an eye towards nominating people. There are lots and lots of great editors who never catch an RfA nominator's eye. I've nominated one or two myself, but only after I dug around looking for editors such as them.

I'd also like to make request; as you're well aware I'm sure, WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001. There's a new building nearing completion on the property, but Wikipedia does not have a photograph of it. You live in NYC. Would you please go down there and take a few photos and upload the best one of the bunch and place it at 7 World Trade Center? The image currently there is an artist's rendition of what it looks like, not an actual photograph. --Durin 14:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Municipalities in Lithuania.png[edit]

I suspected that this might have a problem so I asked a colorblind Wikipedian. He said that he "can't really tell "Marijampole" and "Kaunas" apart". Designing a color palate usable for all forms of colorblindness seems very hard but would it be possible to make heavier (thicker) lines for the borders of the counties? Changing intensities of colors which border each other could also help. Rmhermen 23:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it's much better now. Klaipeda became pretty dark though and it's not easy to read the black text on a dark background. Maybe it's only my crappy laptop screen, though. I appreciate the effort you put into this. Great job! -- nyenyec  03:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


Wow, I didn't know it meant something in Lithuanian. It means 'first' or 'early' in Greek (like in prototype, protoplasm, and so on.) That's cool, thanks!  :D Proto t c 16:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


Good afternoon. With my utmost respect I want to notify you of an important fact that there are mistakes in the particular articles relating to the municipalities of the Republic of Lithuania, such as Vilnius city municipality, Varėna district municipality and, most probably, some others as well (thus do check all the respective articles please)- namely, the word "nationality" is used incorrectly in the demography section of the mentioned articles when it reffers to "nationality makeup" as in the English language the word "nationality" generally tends to mean the citizenship that a person holds rather than the ethnicity and the ethnicity clearly is the thing that is meant to be mentioned there in those articles; hence I do believe that you should change these words in the mentioned articles from "nationality makeup" to "ethnic makeup" as such words would be better. Regehani tara bahera! Dara Fryram hani tahreha! 09:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I did manage to do the beforementioned changes to the (some of the) articles in question myself now, but I edited out the mistake which I have mentioned previously only of Vilnius city municipality and Varena district municipality articles and while I don't know for sure if they appear anywhere else, it seems this form of the statistics table, with its titles and style, is some kind of standart for the "Demography" sections of the articles about the municipalities of the Republic of Lithuania, therefore I urge you to check the other articles(you probably know what municipalities there are in the Republic of Lithuania and how are those articles called, as you seem to have edited them relatively much yourself - which is the reason why I have decided to contact you regarding this matter on the first place) if there is this mistake repeated in any of them, and if there is, then edit the mistake out so that the users of Wikipedia would not be misled into believing that it is typed about nationality there, rather than ethnicity - I would like to confirm once again that those two are different things. Regehani tara bahera! Dara Fryram hani tahreha! 10:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the input. I'll definitely check. And welcome to Wikipedia! Renata 15:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

WTC 7 pics[edit]

Thanks so much Renata! The pics will do nicely. --Durin 18:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Admin nomination[edit]

Gediminas move[edit]

About the move you decided to complain about on my page. This was a page was moved by Szopen as a cut and paste, and no-one realised. I moved it back. Maybe it might have been better for you to complain there. Thanks - Calgacus 23:21, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Calgacus is involved in quite a few moving wars, and I was forced to protect from move the Władysław II Jagiełło page (you may want to comment on it's talk, btw). He also messed up the talk page there, but I restored it. It's a pain, though.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I.e. two. The first, Gediminas, Duke of Lithuania, was wrong title which I corrected. Do you want to restore it or something? You're going around slandering me in behaviour unbefitting someone with admin privileges, and it isn't appreciated.
I messed up the talk page on Władysław II Jagiełło? You never pointed that out to me. I don't believe you, so would you mind proving it? - Calgacus 16:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not Calgacus nanny :) Now about Jogaila/Jagiello you deal with it. I have decided that naming wars are the most counter-productive activity in WP. I want to write some real articles, not to argue about two words... Renata 17:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
If you want no more move wars, please cast your vote on Talk:Gediminas, Grand Duke of Lithuania. I can't agree that Gediminas' title was inferior to that of the Polish king. --Ghirla | talk 19:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi. Could you please write a stub - just a few sentences based on ? Only 2 -5 sentences enough. Please.

PS Sorry, but I'm nervous because User:Koavf doing accounts on all wikis and he is lying. Pietras1988 08:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi/User Page Award :-D[edit]

Huh? Renata 01:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello I apologise for my mis-message of "hi" I was reaching for backspace and hit enter by mistake:-|... I would like to let you know that I had to remove your nomination of Bratsche from here. The process has already started and nominations can no longer be accepted until the next contest. For future note only 15 nominations and 5 judges at a time may be listed on that page. I hope you understand, nominate him again next week if you like..I'll let you know when the next contest is going to happen if you want me to just leave a note. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Sure this section gives more details on the project. To become a judge you have to wait until the contest ends, i'll let you know when that happens, or you can just follow it :-D. After a winner is announced either Banes, Rune.welsh, or myself will clear the judges names from that section. Just be one of the first 5 users to sign your name and you are a judge! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This is very important you must be a member of Esperanza, if you're not you may sign up here. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi, you in edit summary said that there is a new speaker icon, but the template renders like this: About this sound listen . Is this what you intended? Renata 06:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it works correctly for me and others who have tried it. What browser are you using? Have you refreshed your cache? (Shift+Reload, Ctrl+F5, or something similar) — Omegatron 13:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Labas, pagaminau fizinį žemėlapį Image:LithuaniaPhysicalMap-lt.svg ir pagalvojau kad žinosi atsakymus į porą su tuo susijusių klausimų - gal toks žemėlapis yra reikalingas EN Wikipedijoje ir jei taip, gal žinai kur rasti visdokių aukštumų/žemumų/plynaukščių/lygumų/kalvagūbrių angliškus pavadinimus, kad galėčiau padaryt anglišką versiją? Ačiū. Beje, žemėlapis gan detalus, tai jei reiks - visada prašom naudoti upių, ežerų ar dar ko nors paryškinimui. Knutux 16:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I am that anonymus user, you had problems with.

Now, as the matter is ended, I have a "cold head" already and see that during some bitter discussions I overreacted one or two times towards you and as a result was somehow rough. So, I would like to apologize.

Ya xochu ubrat etu glupuiu nadpis pro klevetu. Ti bila neskolko nespravedliva, poetomu ya silno razozlilsia i napisal to chto napisal. Izvini eshe raz. Esli ti ne protiv ya sotru ee sam. Pirveli


Hi, many thanks for the barnstar. I hope you don't mind that a Polish person is messing with Lithuanian articles. --Lysytalk 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed you were involved with the creation of the subpages of Wikipedia:Shortpages, so I wanted to ask you a question. Are we supposed to remove redirects and disambig pages from thoses lists? Also, how many bytes is a good threshold for removing from the list due to expansion? {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 14:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. {{User:Vacuum/sig}} 01:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: My RfA[edit]

I certainly appreciate the encouragement. Thank you! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 21:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nest step for UPA[edit]

In a few day's you'll get a message explaining a few things that you'll be expected to do as a judge, it will also have your 3 user pages to look over so you can choose your finalist. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award[edit]


Hi Renata3/archives! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! You'll be assigned three user pages to examine. Pick your favorite one and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

  • Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
  • Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
  • Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
  • General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email KnowledgeOfSelf with your scores and final picks. Please contact him for information on how to email him. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

You'll have to choose your favorite amongst the following three user pages:

  1. Sango123
  2. Mailer diablo
  3. FireFox

Thank you and good luck! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 21:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

User Page Award[edit]

Hey Renata, this is just a courtesy message letting you know that all 5 judges have selected a finalist and you may now email your scores for all 5 finalists to this week's "overseer". For convenience sake UPA Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


Lenta perkelta kur sakei DeirYassin 18:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for the Random Act of Kindness Barnstar! Warm fuzzies ahoy! :) --Ashenai 06:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Comm portal[edit]

I am happy to see that it drew your attention. I hope you are going to organize some nice redesign (with all that experience gained during the main page overhaul). All the best, Renata 13:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Putting together the Main Page alternates page was more fun than working on the Main Page, but the help page overhaul was even more fun still.  ;-) Thanks for the encouragement. --Go for it! 13:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Nėr už ką :)[edit]

Nėr už ką man dėkoti, tikiuosi, kad ilgainiui atsiras daugiau žmonių, kurie tos žvaigždės bus verti :) . Galėsi ją įteikinėti savo nuožiūra vėliau, kai atsiras daugiau labai aktyvių lietuvių. Na, o dabar linkiu tau greitai pasveikti. Sėkmės!

Mission accomplished[edit]

I'm done with the Community Portal merge/upgrade. I've implemented the Community Bulletin Board as you suggested, and have endeavored to jump-start it with as much news and as many announcements as I could find. If you spot any Wikipedia events that deserve posting, by all means please do so.

I've also tied it into all the relevant instruction sets, though I may have missed some.

The cheat sheet concept I didn't implement, because that would really crowd this page, which seems busy enough already. Also, I'm not familiar enough with the Wikipedia namespace yet to be able to compile such a list - it would take me days. --Go for it! 14:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request for PROD[edit]

That's quite a brilliant idea, tracking the number of times that a prod link has been clicked on. I'll try to get that implemented ASAP. :) --Interiot 17:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


Noreijau pasveikinti Jums anskčiau. Dirbsu ant gramatika. Dr. Dan 02:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Spoken template[edit]

commons:User:Renata3/samples: I've been making some changes, nothing major, "FYI" ;D! 03:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Note: I'm also mostly on the English WikipediA with the IP addr. 06:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't, remember? All I get is this crap saying "We don't have an article with this title, but you can create it if you log in or create an account. As an unregistered user, you may also submit the content that you wish to have created. Please read our introduction for more information about Wikipedia." Anyway, all of the usrpages that IPs had have been crap. 06:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
All I can create on the English WikipediA are Talk: pages. On other Wikimediawiki's I can create anything. O and don't bother with the Usr: page. 06:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


Well, users have started putting their announcments there already! Looks like we put it in the right place. The name you chose for it is perfect. --Go for it! 04:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...[edit]

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)


Then she thought of the tale she had told to Hagen, though she durst not say a whit. The noble queen began to rue that she was ever born. Lord Siegfried's wife wept out of measure. She spake to the knight: "Let be your hunting. I had an evil dream last night, how two wild boars did chase you across the heath; then flowers grew red. I have in truth great cause to weep so sore. I be much adread of sundry plans and whether we have not misserved some who might bear us hostile hate. Tarry here, dear my lord, that I counsel by my troth."

Thank you[edit]

... very much for the update. The CBB is perfect! I hope people will like it and will use it. The Cheat Sheet was just an idea, and I figured it would be very hard to make it work, but I still think it is a pretty good idea. Now with your help project... If you see my new year wiki resolutions on my user page... it is right up there. :) So I will try to help, but given my current situation, not too likely. Anyways, thank you! Renata 16:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I want to become the overseer of the CBB :) I like the idea too much :)
I made quite a few changes: simplified the rules (at least that's what I think); I put pulldate in front to be easily spotted by editors (readers don't see it anyways); put everything in chronological order (abc does not make a slightest sense to me); put 7 days as pulldate (now people are putting whatever they want, I project that it's gonna get waaaay to long in the future when people will start using it); put everything into simple formating (uniform, less flashy); I don't think that outside articles belong here (village pump is doing just fine with that).
How do you want to archive it? Renata 05:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and may I also suggest putting "new featured content" under the CBB and not under the collabs? Renata 05:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I tried that, and it seemed to clutter the box. And I can't figure out how to get 2 horizontal boxes in a row with that table formatting code. --Go for it!

I like your changes. They're sensible. I agree that links to outside articles are inappropriate unless there's a Wikipedia discussion that can be pointed to with it. Otherwise, it's totally external news (for Current Events) and not Wikipedia news (announcements of discussions are appropriate CBB items).

Archiving is unnecessary, since the CBB is automatically archived in the template's history. If a more formal archive is needed later, such can be provided as a list of links to specific versions in the template's history. Anything else is labor-intensive, and prone to missed deadlines. See Wikipedia:Goings-on which is already passed its deadline for archiving today.

As for you being overseer of the CBB, I support you 100%. If you ever need me, just drop me a note, and I'll come running. --Go for it! 10:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: For the help project, the team and I will be working on navigation tools for the Wikipedia and Help namespaces, so your cheat sheet idea will be on my mind throughout. As I come across links for it, I'll add them to a list. I started working on a similar project, "Wikipedia by department", but haven't gotten far with it yet.

Now I have another thing that bothers me: the CBB is getting very long and it's just a couple of days. Any ideas how to make it smaller? (I am pretty sure someone will complain pretty soon) Renata 11:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we struck a nerve! It looks like we put it in the right spot. Don't worry about the size, it's a one-week buffer and items will start dropping off and the list will level-out. Also, we're experiencing a grand-opening surge, because everyone with an event from the past 2 or 3 weeks who didn't know where to post it, are discovering the CBB and are putting up their announcements late. The surge should subside in a week or two. Besides, the page is 4 times as fun as it used to be, and more people are checking it out, so more people will browse the rest of the features on the page. And since the CBB changes often, users may visit the page daily or even more frequently, making it more likely they'll check out the other features too.

Another benefit with increased traffic will be that the other features will likely get more editing attention. --Go for it! 14:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I feel much better now :) You have the power in your words :) Anyway, I found another reason to worry: the location. I mean its real address is Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board. Now there is no Template:Announcements. So the beginning looks weird. Also, this could be a nice stand-alone page. So I would consider it moving to Wikipedia:Community bulletin board. You can include WP namespace articles just like templates so the comm portal won't be affected. What do you say? Renata 03:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't a Template:Announcements because I hadn't built it yet (it exists now though). The reason the CBB is placed under "Template:Announcements" is because the CBB is an announcement template, and because it has sister templates. As a standard practice, placing announcement templates under Template:/Announcement/ makes them all easier to find using the special page "All pages". And Wikipedia is chaotic enough without having them strewn all about under unrelated names. Currently, there are 3 pages listed there, and there will be more in the future

Also, the CBB is a template because it is planned specifically for transclusion. It will likely be displayed in at least one other place (the page "Goings-on" is a good candidate host page).

There's one last reason why the CBB should remain a template: it isn't designed to be a stand-alone page. It opens specifically with a heading, because when headings are provided in a template, their edit buttons are active in all pages where the template is transcluded. The price is that the editor opens up for that "section" only in the template, so if the page has any opening material of its own before the heading, it won't show up in the edit window. So it really isn't a stand-alone page.

I hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction. --Go for it! 04:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

moving my talk page[edit]

Hi Renata, can you help me out with something? I moved my talk page to User talk:Fang Aili/Archive1, but now I can't get to my regular talk page without it redirecting me to the Archive. How can I get to my regular talk page?? Thanks. --Fang Aili 18:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually I just figured it out. Thanks anyway! --Fang Aili 18:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar![edit]

Ze Original Barnstar

There you go, a barnstar to reward your continuing work in Wikipedia in spite of being busy in Real LifeTM. Enjoy it and keep up the good work! Cheers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 00:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Latvian mythology[edit]

I believe most of those stubs came from Encyclopedia Mythica. Tuf-Kat 02:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

search box in main page draft[edit]

That version you put up wasn't showing up right on my screen either. I've put another version up, doesn't have the icons, but does have the search box, expanded portal matrix, etc. --Go for it! 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Angels boot[edit]

thanks for bringing that to my attention, I've taken care of it. --W.marsh 18:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


That seems to make a lot of sense. In fact I have lots of ideas for improving the date pages, although at the moment I have been concentrating on creating them first for all of 2003, 2004 and 2005 (which is taking a while because of my lack of time for the project. Rest I assured I will cats for the remaining months as I do them but be warned I may create pages for a month and then go back and cats - it will be a more efficient use of copynpaste that way. Thanks for the interest. Pcb21 Pete 20:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Cat on GDL[edit]

Note that I have changed this category from Category:History of Poland. I was depopulating this category, moving various articles to related subcategories (or simply moving out of that category, if connection with Polish history was non-existent). Category:Polish historical regions, in my understanding, is supposed to collect all physical places connected with Polish history, and GDL was a part of PLC, after all. I am not happy with the name of current category, and that it lumps things like former voivodships, non-existent villages and old castles in one place, but I think it is a step in the right direction. On the other hand, as GDL article is more of a former state then a place article, perhaps I was too hasty here. Do you think History of Poland (1569–1795) would be more appopriate?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Šarūnas Jasikevičius[edit]

Hey, you wanted my input on if the Jasikevicius pronounciation sounded good.

To this Pacers fan, sounds just about dead on, though in the U.S. we tend to simplify the pronunciation slightly. Not really sure how to be much more specific than that.

But I like it, sounds great, and if that's the Lithuanian way of pronouncing it, let's go with it! ekedolphin 06:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Lietuvos istoriniai įvykiai[edit]

Laba, ka manai apie straipsnių "Vasario 16-oji" ir "Kovo 11-oji" sukūrimą? Tai istorinės datos, be kurių Wiki apie Lietuvą nepilna :) eLNuko 16:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Would you allow me the honor?[edit]

I would like to nominate you to be a Wikipedia Administrator. I noticed you recently declined a nomination, yet hope that you will reconsider and allow me to do the honors. Durin seems to have his hands full, and I believe you would make a wonderful sysadmin. Please see the nomination I wrote for you at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3 (2). It would be my pleasure and a privilege to nominate you. Sincerely, --Go for it! 17:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that is very kind of you. You should complete the formatting - i.e. remove <nowiki> tags. Give me some time to think about it. Renata 17:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I was waiting for your reply to activate the timestamp, but as per your request, the formatting is now complete. I humbly await your response. --Go for it! 23:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Dėkui už paramą[edit]

Dėkui už paramą ir išlaikomą ramybę :) . Jei priimsi pasiūlymą dėl tapimo administratore aš jį paremsiu. DeirYassin 17:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Darn, that was fast[edit]

Hey, no problem! :) Cheers, Sango123 (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured lists[edit]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only nut asking people to properly format their web references. :-) <rant> It tends to annoy me when people come with this "oh, but this is only a list" attitude and think of it as a license to not do proper work... </rant>

On an unrelated note, I see the public is clamoring for you to become and admin. I think it was a wise decision to wait for Durin's assessment. I'm quite sure your patience will be rewarded. Cheers! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[edit]

There has been no specific reason given for TvRage to be deleted from Wikipedia. We were listed once before, but were removed because, and I quote, "We were not in Alexa's top 100,000 websites." As of today, we currently rank #75,899. Link for proof: . Our recent discussions of being netural have been taken care of, as I personally went through and removed all the comments that were addressed by the user. We have met every single demand Wikipedia has thrown at us, and yet the website is still be demanded to be deleted. I demand to know why we have been brought up for deletion again! And we want actual reasons why, not just some biast user demanding we be removed because they don't like us. Or an opposing website demanding we be removed to get rid of competition. JohnQ.Public 06:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

-Response to your response, posted on My Talk page. (I have no idea how this place works as far as PM's go, and whether or not you get an alert. JohnQ.Public 10:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:MOTTO[edit]

Hi, I saw you are interested in the project. So I just wanted to let you know that I am actively trying to revive it. See post on Wikipedia talk:Community Portal. Renata 03:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Surely I'll support your idea, good luck! --ShiningEyes 22:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board[edit]

I need a second opinion on this: a bunch of the things on the CBB are not news put people looking for help on something. Should we get rid of it and restrict ourselves to news? Or, take a different route from WP:SIGN and welcome such requests?--HereToHelp (talkcontribs) 00:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day/week[edit]

I started to write procedures for the motto thing... and I caught myself making another bureaucracy with voting systems much like Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. And then I remebered that it should be fun and easy-going and stress releasing... So I dunno what to do now. I could follow something like Wikipedia:Today's featured article where one man decides what to do (very efficient I should say). But... I dunno... a self-declared tyrant? :) It is very anti-democracy and anti-community and anti-me... So, um, any advice/ideas? Renata 07:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the procedure, it is probably best to keep it simple. Check out the instructions I wrote for the Tip of the day project. It takes 2 editors to ratify an entry. (Also, as coordinator, I watch over the whole operation and apply a bit of quality control of my own). --Go for it! 00:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

There's another tipster already![edit]

Somebody came by and provided a tip, and is proudly displaying the tipster userbox on his userpage:

Smiley.svg This user is a Wikipedia tipster.


My RFA[edit]

Thank you for supporting me in my successful RFA. The admin tools will definitely be handy for dealing with vandalism more swiftly. And, I'm glad to do anything possible to work with you, Go for it!, and others on improving the community portal and help pages. Thanks again. --Aude (talk | contribs) 00:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

About jotvingiai and lt.wikipedia problem[edit]

There is false article about Belorrussia history in - Lukashenka is not a dictator - no mentioning of murdered Baltic tribe Jotvingiai - lived in the south of todays Belorussia. I"ve made some corrections and was immediately attacked and even repressed. So, please study roots of conflict more deep, and only then make decissions against my possition. I'm fighting for basic human rights - freedom of information spreeding and so on. Good luck - UFO -user turbo195.182.77.103 18:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


How's the motto thing coming along? Have you figured out a system yet? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Newbie tip ideas?[edit]

For the tip of the day project, what tips do you think I should write for newbies? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Stone picture[edit]

Sure, go ahead and crop it. The problem is that I took the picture at an angle. BTW, is mentioning Polish names of Lithuanian towns really annoying ? I thought it's useful and good to show some common history, good or bad. It's not supposed to imply that Poland was "better" or "worse" than Lithuania or that these places are "Polish", it's only that the names were often historically used because of centuries of Polonization. What do you think ? --Lysytalk 21:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

All right, thanks for resonding to this. As I'm sure you've noticed, I'm one of these "hardcore" editors who keep on restoring Polish names every here and there. I'd like to take the opportunity to explain that I'm not doing this in any bad faith and the last thing I wanted would be to suggest that Poland could have any claims etc. (in fact I've never heard of any such claims in Poland). It's only that for one reason or another Lithuania was heavily Polonized for years, we've had centuries of common history and culture. To claim otherwise would be like to pretend that e.g. Wrocław/Breslau/Vroclavas did not have German history and culture. Silly isn't it? Anyway, I just wanted to excuse myself, thanks for understanding. --Lysytalk 21:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I share your opinion on using foreign names in the body of the articles. Sometimes it may be pure ignorance but I know a couple of editors (not only Polish) who insist that names should be used according to their historic context. Personally, I find this confusing and sometimes simply POV pushing. Other's mileage may vary, though. --Lysytalk 22:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


Would you be so kind to peer review List of Mexico City metro stations whenever you get the time for it? You are allowed (entitled!) to release all your constrained FLC nastiness without any hard feelings ;-) Deal? Thank you! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I highly appreciate the praise (and the review!). Reply is mostly point-like because it's late and I'm feeling a tad too lazy to write brilliant prose. :-) Longish reply because information wants to be free and you deserve to know:
  • The copyright status of the logos by themselves is not so clear, so I'm hesitant to include them anywhere else on the list other than the maps (where Carnildo already okayed their inclusion). I'm definitely doing research into the issue in any case.
  • I'm asking Panchosama for the original svg, however he's not a frequent editor :-( I may end up redrawing the whole map myself, which shouldn't take more than a day. In any case Carnildo pointed out some problems with the readability of the font, so that needs to be fixed too.
  • Train pictures are surprisingly hard to come by, although I'm still looking around for them on the net. If I were in Mexico I'd just spend one weekend snapping my camera away, but sadly that's not the case.
  • Thanks for looking into the formatting glitch. I had an idea something like that could happen, but no clue on how to prevent it.
Incidentally, I'm also working on the individual station articles. However it is a long (and honestly, boring) process that must be done systematically; half of my Sandbox is dedicated to it. I finished rewriting the stations in line 2, where I implemented some of the very suggestions you mentioned (logo, ethymology) so if you're really interested start with Metro Cuatro Caminos and read away. Actually I wanted to get this list sorted out first so I can reproduce some of the information in the individual articles. Kind of a central place where to start working from.
Thanks again! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 01:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
More soliciting ;) If you can, could you pop back to WP:FLC to vote fr or against Timeline of first orbital launches by nationality. You have made a number of commetns but not voted, and it has 3 votes for and none against, so is at risk of failing due to lack of interest. Thanks! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata[edit]

I agree with you on the template, and I'm working on an overall solution. But I had a feeling you'd agree that it (or rather, its content, belonged somewhere on the community portal.  :-) I just placed it where there was room, for the time being. I'm working on an overall fix, because the table format used by the community portal is too finnicky to even describe, and has thwarted my efforts to further modularize the page. So I'm on the hunt for more stable (yet more versatile) code. Unfortunately, all table structures have their ideosyncracies, and the one I've adopted has me confounded on a column spacing problem (see Village Pump, where I've thrown up a column spacing sample to get help).

Now for a question: do you think it would be better to include the Signpost items in their own section (without the template border and extraneous background color), or just include each story as an announcement in the CBB? --Go for it! 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


At first I thought some of them looked more like slogans than mottos, but when I looked up "slogan", I found that slogans and mottos are the same thing. :-) Are they all slated for display except for those you marked "unsuitable"? I'm working on page sectioning, and will let you know when I'm done. --Go for it! 04:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing Latin Phrases[edit]

Hi! I looked at the phrases you sent me on my talk page, and I translated them for you. However, a couple of them were imcomplete, or had improper spelling/ phrasing, therefor leading to incorrect translating or improper grammer. Feel free to ask for anything. Nice working w/ you on wiki :) Whatupshorty45 06:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

     Hey no problem! anything else, just holla! Whatupshorty45 20:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

List of municipalities of Portugal[edit]

Hello! I've noticed you were the major contributor to the List of municipalities of Lithuania. You also use to participate in the FL candidates page. Inspired on that featured list, I started a major reorganization of the List of municipalities of Portugal, would you please take a quick look on it and tell me if there is anything you would change? It is very incomplete and it will give a lot of work, mainly because there is no table with such data (population, area, density, parishes) compiled on the internet, or at least, I haven't found any. It's like a puzzle and there are only 3 districts complete, when all is finished, I'll make the ranks. I would really thank you if you say something. Regards. Afonso Silva 12:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Renata! I've read your suggestions and they were really useful.
  1. The coats of arms have a regular copyright status, I think, they are uploaded in the commons and are licensed under GNU FDL, as the author allowed them to be used. Anyway, I'll search the Portuguese law in order to find a issue like that one in Lithuania, which is used in the Lithuanian coats of arms, that makes that kind of symbols free of copyright.
  2. About the symbols of the parties, you are right, and I've decided to use a color scheme, at the moment it is just applied in the district of Beja. That also makes coalitions easier to illustrate.
  3. The ranks will be really difficult, I will think about them again, but I have a method. I'll copy the names of the municipalities and the data to an Excel sheet and then order the values, of course I'll have to place 308 * 3 values by hand in a table, it's hard. I'll consider removing them.
  4. I have maps mande by myself, like this one with the ruling parties: Image:Portuguese municipalities parties.PNG. I'll make other about density. I think it is better to create a bigger map to each district and then put them near each table like you suggested, after shrinking the tables.
  5. I pay attention to the disambiguation of the links and that will not be a problem as I am working at the same time in placing the infobox in all articles about Portuguese municipalities and in creating the missing articles. I link from the list, so, I'll spot any bad link.
  6. About the capital city, that is a problem, because a municipality is not a city and a city may be composed by several parishes but in most cases only by one, and the municipalities have their names, it's a total confusion, I have been discussing that with other Portuguese contributors and we still haven't found a solution.
  7. I'll mention the number of parishes, thanks for the suggestion, they are 4261.
  8. I'll also use that thing of moving the TOC, that huge space is really ugly.

Thanks again and if you ever need my help, I'll be glad to give it. Regards! Afonso Silva 17:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

  • He said terrible things about you, but I'm afraid you'll have to learn Portuguese to understand it. Just kidding. Thanks for the clue, I'll put numbers instead of names, but you are right, it's very confusing. And of course I'm not thinking about creating 4261 articles, hehe, I have a life. This 308 articles are already giving enough trouble. I'll continue building the list and I hope I can ask you for more comments as you are one of the most active list creators I've found in wikipedia. Thanks! Afonso Silva 19:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto rules[edit]

Ok, I drafted something. I used a lot of ideas fromWikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award. I don't really like it. I need some feedback. Do you think it is too complicated? (I know that the wording is awful and it needs more explanation) Also, it is missing about the overseer. Might I talk you into becoming a co-overseer? In previous link, the "unfit" would need two more votes to be removed. I just tried to organize the list and see what are the results so I could decide something on rules.

BTW0, do you think those unfit are really unfit? BTW1, looks like TotD is gathering some interest. Congrats! :) BTW2, I have one more crazy idea for comm portal... :) BTW3, why you don't have your email enabled? BTW4, WP:WOTTA :) Renata 19:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The goal is to generate a bunch of mottos to include as motto of the day on the Community Portal, right? My advice is to keep it simple. Advertise for motto submissions (the more submissions the better), and then grab a couple people (or advertise for volunteer judges). Three judges should be enough. Have them go over the list and yeah or nay each entry. Those entries that get 2 out of 3 yeahs, get added to the scheduling queue. See Wikipedia:POTD row for an example of a scheduling queue (each page is named by date). Then a template is used with a date variable which automatically displays the motto from the page in the queue with the current day's date. It doesn't matter if there are hundreds of winners. Just stick them in the scheduling queue, and the project will run automatically until the pages run out.
I'd be glad to help.
BTW0: #5 from the "too longs" is a good one (it's Jimbo's main quote, isn't it?) I agree with you on the rest.
BTW1: Thank you. Though we still need more tipsters! What are your favorite Wikitricks?
BTW2: What's your crazy CP idea?
BTW3: I didn't have any reason to enable it, until now that is.  :-) I'll enable it today.
Go for it! 21:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

2 Days to Vegas[edit]

Why did you want a speedy deletion on 2 Days to Vegas? It was a legit game. --Thorpe | talk 01:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Signpost on the CBB[edit]

As per your request to place Signpost in the CBB (rather than in the New featured content section), I've created a test template and have included it on the bulletin board. I've removed the background color but left the box the same. Let me know how you like it. Once we have figured out exactly how you want it to look, then I can approach the Signpost staff with a specific proposal to fork the data to two templates (the current subscription template and the new one for the CBB). --Go for it! 07:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried emailing you...[edit]

...but all I got was this error message:

"This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users."

As per your (implied) request, I've activated my email. --Go for it! 06:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England[edit]

Hi, I have been trying to improve the list, Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England, thanks to your help. However, I am finding it hard to make the table size consitant... can you help? Sotakeit 21:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

When you say to sort out the copyright issue on the list, what exactley is allowed and not allowed... is it just fair use images that are not allowed? Sotakeit 20:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Image problems seem to be sorted out and as for referances, what do I put - I only used Wikipedia to help start the article...? Sotakeit 11:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You're next for my RfA review[edit]

Renata, I wanted to let you know that I finally got the person in line in front of you processed and his nomination completed (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ I'm slower than the slowest civil servant ;) I apologize, I've just been too back logged with real life to do much in the way of heavy work here. So, you're under my microscope now, and as soon as I get the review done, I'll let you know. I may need to chat with you on IRC to help with this. Do you use #wikipedia IRC? If so, under what nick? Thanks for your patience, --Durin 21:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Latin mottos[edit]

As requested, I've gone through the Latin phrases at Renata3/motto. Sorry I took so long, but I've finally got around to doing it, and here are my comments:

  1. Ephemera et cetera (Ephemera and the rest)
    ephemera isn't a Latin word as far as I know, and I would remark that many people will be unsure as to the meaning of ephemera, so having it as an official motto may be unwise.
  2. Aut disce aut discede. (Either learn or leave)
    No problems. (This is the singular imperative form; the plural would be aut discete aut discedete which might apply if the motto was seen as appealing to the community of Web users or Wikipedians as a whole, whereas the singular addresses the individual reading it.)
  3. Conscientia Hominis Universitas or Universitas Hominis Conscientia(Whole/total human consciousness/knowledge)
    Would be better as conscientiae hominis universitas (the whole of human consciousness/knowledge/etc.); universitas is a noun, and can't be used as an adjective. conscientia hominis universita would work, using the adjective universitus.
  4. Omne ignotum pro magnifico (Everything unknown is taken for magnificent [1])
    No problems.
  5. Caveat lector (Reader, beware of mistakes)
    More accurate translation: let the reader beware
  6. Ordo ab Chao. (Order out of chaos.)
    No problems. (Remember that most classical languages had no official upper- and lowercase, which is why most classicists write Latin, Ancient Greek etc. in lowercase, only capitalising the first letter of a word if it were a proper noun such as a name.)
  7. Veritas ab Chao (Truth from chaos.)
    No problems. (See #6)
  8. Semper ubi sub ubi (Always where under where)
    Used as a joke by classicists and classics students to mean "always wear underwear"; phrase itself is nonsensical.
  9. Scientia est Potentia (Latin for "Knowledge is Power")
    No problems. (See #6)
  10. Scientia et Sapientia (Latin for "Science and Knowledge")
    scientia is from scio (I know) and sapientia from sapiens (wise); the phrase would therefore be better translated as "knowledge and wisdom". (Also see #6)
  11. Scientia in bonus fides (Knowledge in good faith)
    Awful use of cases! The correct phrase would be scientia in bona fide (the preposition in takes the ablative). It makes no difference to the meaning, but how about rearranging it to in bona fide scientia?
  12. Humani nihil a nobis alienum (Latin: "Nothing human is alien to us")
    Literally: "nothing of man to us is alien", so it should be OK.
  13. Per Populum et Pro Populo (Latin, "by the people and for the people")
    Unsure about the use of per here; when meaning "by", it really signifies the agent of an action, such as "I was clubbed to death by my father with a baseball bat". (Even then, a or ab is mainly used and per is rarely seen.) If I were to use this motto, I would use a populo pro populo, although I still have a huge doubt as to whether it is correct. (Also see #6)
  14. Per aspera ad absurdum (Through hardships to the absurd)
    A perfectly good translation; literally, aspera means "desperate times", "hopeless occasions" or anything of that nature.
  15. Sapientia et doctrina stabilitas (Wisdom and doctrine steadfastness)
    doctrina used here to mean "knowledge", therefore phrase means "wisdom and knowledge bring stability" or something like that.
  16. Rosa rubicundior lilio candidior omnibus formosior semper in te glorior (Rosa rubicundior lilio openly omnibus beauty always upon you to pride oneself)
    • Redder than the rose, whiter than the lilies, fairer than everything, I will always glory in thee. - motto from here.
    lilio is singular, so "whiter than the lily" would be more accurate. omnibus is literally "all things", which I personally think sounds better than "everything", but that's pretty subjunctive as to whether it's preferable. (Oh no! A self-reference!) Also, glorior is present, so I suppose gloriabor (future tense) would be slightly better to use, although both versions are acceptable.
  17. Festina Lentes (German equivalent is "Eile mit Weile", don't know the English one; basically means "don't stress yourself too much")
    festina lente - hurry slowly.

Also, "Personal tops" motto number 5 should be "Veni, Vidi, Viki" or "Veni, Vidi, Wiki" - the letter W did not exist in Latin, and to be honest the letter V didn't either - it's used because the letter U (which looks like a V in Latin) doesn't look right when used as the Romans used it as a consonant. Anyway, because it's a U, we usually pronounce "V" like a "W" (try saying "ueni, uidi, uici") but there was definitely no letter W in Latin...

Hope that all made sense. If you have any questions, don't hesistate to follow them up with me.

haz (user talk)e 16:17, 11 March 2006

Paris Participation[edit]

Hey, sorry for that posting on WP:CBB - That was abusive? Yikes, okay, lesson learned - thanks for catching my error. Can I ask you what you mean by "I see you have some editors interested in france to help you out"? - it's actually this I'm looking for! If you do know anyone, please tell me and I will request their aid.


THEPROMENADER 16:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

your deletion marked as minor[edit]

please take care not to mark deletions of other users contributions as minor, if your deletion is a revert. In that case it is more a disput over an article page than a minor edit. [2] regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 05:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

thx for your reply. Currently UTC+0:20 is a little longer. Not redirecting keeps the navigational template. But I can understand that you once made it a redirect. Let real live rule :-) best regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't support vandalism against Balts and Lithuania[edit]


Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.


Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.

Need a tip on image licensing[edit]

If I contact an owner of artwork (or something else) and they provide me with right to use their graphic material on Wikipedia, what combination of tags and copyright should I set?

Esperanza User Page Award[edit]


Hi Renata3! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! As you were the first judge to sign up, you've been assigned the first 3 userpages from the shortlist to examine. First of all, pick your favorite one and list it in the finalists section. Then award all 5 finalists 1-10 points in four categories:

  • Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
  • Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
  • Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
  • General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email KnowledgeOfSelf with your final scores, using the format on this page. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

Reply to your request[edit]

I had written a longish reply the other day, but it got lost after the short database lock-up and a computer crash :( The gist of it was that I think your proposal is a nice idea, but I'm a bit concerned with keeping people interested in the process and of it being a bit bureaucratic. I'd recommend you to cook up something based on the way the people at WP:BJAODN (of all places) select the name of the next page, although that thing is a bit messy and prolly needs a revamp. Still, I think it has more advantages than disadvantages and would reduce the time you may devote to this project substantially. Let me know what you think and good luck! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Susirasinejimas su Europos Parku del nuotrauku[edit]



ar jus nieko pries kad jusu internetines svetaines medziaga panaudojau angliskos wikipedijos straipsniui"

Atsakymas: "From: Europos Parkas

zinoma nieko pries nuosirdziai dekome, kad parasete.

Siunciame kelias fotografijas: Magdalena Abakanowicz. Space of Unknown Growth Gintaras Karosas. The Place

gal noresite panaudoti


Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23"

Antras laiskas: "Sveiki, Sigitai, paziurejau - viskas atrodo puikiai!

Del licenzijos abejoju - cia yra tokiu autoriniu teisiu subtilybiu su meno kuriniais: del fotografijos taip- mes galime leisti naudoti fotografija, bet reikalas tas, kad autorius cia ne tik fotografijos, pacioje fotografijoje - meno kurinys, o meno kurinio autorius turi neturtine teise i tai, kad visuomet salia fotografijos privalo buti autoriaus vardas ir skulpturos pavadinimas, o sito duodami licenzija laisvai naudoti neuztikrinam.

tai, jei yra grieztesniu licenciju, manau, tiktu labiau.

Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23"

Image question[edit]

Hi Renata. Does Wikipedia have a policy on images like this: Image:Idres-barzani.jpg? It looks like propaganda, plus it has an attribution on it. (Based on the username of the person who uploaded it (User:Mesoud4), I'd bet this is his work, but copyright isn't the issue I'm concerned with.) Thanks. --Fang Aili 20:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I was trying to wait a while in hopes of not WP:BITE, but.. the propaganda image probably does not belong, and the other at least needs a copyright tag of some sort. --Fang Aili 20:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully this was ok. --Fang Aili 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Renata3 has been killed by a truck load of real life[edit]

Don't do that again ! Please :->! Even if we don't know each other and most certainly never will, I was shocked quite a bit, when reading your banner with only half-open eyes ... :-> Best regards and good luck in handling your truck load --Gf1961 13:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC) (following your contributions on Lithuania and the other Baltic countries from time to time)

I concur... —Nightstallion (?) 14:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I read it wrong too :/ --Durin 16:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tags - sculptures[edit]

Renata, GFDL yra skirta textines informacijos licenzijavimui ("The license was designed for manuals, textbooks, other reference and instructional materials, and documentation which often accompanies GPL software. However, it can be used for any text-based work, regardless of subject matter."). Taigi manau kad GFDL netinka nuotraukoms. Manyciau, kad panasiausia i tai ko pageidauja muziejus, siulo Free Art license. Shi licenzija reikalauja panaudojant kurini nurodyti kur galima rasti originala - to ir pageidavo Europos parkas. Ka manai? Sigitas 17:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

a page in Lithuanian..?[edit]

Greetings Renata! Asking for your kind help with an article in Lithuanian (I believe it is?) -- if only you can spare a minute... a glance at Leonavičius Gytis - is it an article? worth translating? (I'm highly suspicious :) but can't be certain.) It is listed here: WP:PNT#Leonavičius Gytis, so if you can, please post there directly, or if more convenient, reply right here (I'll be watching for a couple of days), or at my talk, whichever works best for you. Many thanks - Introvert ~? 09:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Image in my signature[edit]

Well I appreciate you pointing that out to me! I'm actually surprised no one did up to this point. I'll remove the image right....--mmeinhart 19:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC) ..away ;-)


If you say this version Visaginas COA.gif is "better" than Visaginas coat of arms.pngthis one, I can not agree.

If you want to use left one - OK, but I prefer to use this right one. So don't delete old version.

Regards Julo 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take another look[edit]

I have tried to address your concerns and the concerns of others at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of largest suspension bridges. I hope you will take another look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

List of largest suspension bridges[edit]

Certainly "it could not be better" is a fine criteria. But, the things that you list mean that it is totally impractical to bring this list to that point, and that seems unreasonable. Here's why:

  1. I noticed that your list of cities are manually numbered. This is possible for the list of bridges but with the current state of Wiki software totally impractical. How often do they add a city ranked #2 or #3 on the list? This happens regularly with bridges. If you look at the list, you'll see that the #3 spot was just completed a few months ago. A new #1 spot is beginning construction, as are some other bridges that will be high up on the list. Every time a new bridge opens someone would have to manually renumber the entire list. Frankly, this is something I wouldn't want to do, and if it means this list would never be featured, so be it. I like that the external links bring up the homepages of each bridge and also number the list. I don't see them as references, and there is a note that explains what they are. I could link each to an external page about the bridge, but then some would be linked to home pages, and others would not. I don't see this as an improvement.
  2. This list is what is being nominated, not the entire category of suspension bridges. People are complaining about red links, but it is also frowned upon to create two line sub-stubs. I've started creating these stubs, which basically only have the information that is in the list. I think this is silly. Red-links serve an important function. They tell the user that there isn't an article. By me making these sub-stubs, it gives the false impression that there is more information to be found. I'll do this to get the list accepted, but it seems like a bad policy to promote.
  3. There are no unverified dates. What gave you the idea that any dates were unverified?
  4. There are missing pictures of bridges in obscure places that tourists don't go to. How is anyone going to obtain a GFDL picture of these bridges? This list is unlikely to EVER have a complete set of pictures. Many featured lists have few pictures. If I removed all the pictures and just scattered them here or there it would look like many other featured lists. I don't see that as an improvement. I could shorten the list to include many less bridges and that would make most of the bridges have pictures. This makes the list less usefull and informative for the sake of being prettier.

I am more than willing to work on this list and bring it to a much higher standard. I would appreciate suggestions which are possible to achieve and improve the usefullness of the list. --Samuel Wantman 20:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

  • I have fixed the reference section.
  • The reason there are duplicate pictures is because the bridges have multiple spans, and they are both in the picture. If I find two pictures of the same bridge, like the double spans of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge I use both of them. But since most of these double and triple bridges are in Japan, I haven't been lucky enough to find more than one good image.
  • I don't know how to solve some of the photo problems. Carnildo wants me to figure out who the photographer is of the pictures from Japanese Wikipedia and other foreign languages. I can't read Japanese, my browser doesn't even display it.
  • I've been thinking a bit about the external link issue. While I like the way it is, it seems to be problematic to many other people, probably because it is a very unusual way of doing things. So I will bend my position. I'm considering linking the bridges without homepages to the page about the bridge at, a good source of information, but an extremely slow site. I notice that most featured lists do not have a cite for each entry. I started doing this because I had to use external references to get auto-numbering, and I saw the same thing being done at List of bridges by length. It seems to be an extra feature that this list could be linked to so many sites, an extra feature that is now being held up to oppose this nomination from becoming a featured list because it is not complete. --Samuel Wantman 09:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Template for deletion discussion you may be interested in[edit]

Categories · Glossaries · Lists · Overviews · Portals · Questions · Reference · Site news · A-Z Index

Arts | Biography | Culture | Geography | History | Mathematics | Philosophy | Science | Society | Technology

The above bar, the category-based counterpart to the portal-based Browsebar, is up for deletion. I thought you might want to know about this. --Go for it! 18:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


Sorry, but I disagree with you :( Renata 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Which may mean I hold the wrong position on this issue. All the more reason to seek your feedback. Thank you for your input.  ;-) --Go for it! 00:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day[edit]

Your project is ready to roll. Just place mottos from the discussion page into each page listed on the project page, to schedule them for display on the template. (Remove them from the discussion page as you do so, so that they aren't scheduled twice. Don't worry about voting, that can be put in place later for future submissions. If at any time the well runs dry of ideas for new mottos, then the template can be rewritten to display a random motto from the collection. --Go for it! 16:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1[edit]

Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience:
"No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention."
The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them.
Note from the editor
Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!
  1. Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before.
  2. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log.
  3. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time.
  4. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified.
  5. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community.
  6. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially.
  7. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on.
  8. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen.
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I am out[edit]

For this whole week. I don't think I will be able to catch an hour of sleep this week... :( So I cannot do the motto thingie. If you want to take over - be my guest. Gosh, I cannot wait to graduate :) Renata 23:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

It can wait until you are ready. --Go for it! 23:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


Did I miss something? where are the CBB archives? That's a glaring problem that needs to be fixed. Also, the CBB needs to be better organized for people reading it. With topic headings, it's much easier for someone to scan and find what interests them. Headings are also very helpful for people using screen readers. The added work is nominal, and I wouldn't mind helping if I knew where the archives are. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. I found the archives on the talk page, and commented out on the CBB. I have inserted a link to the Archives on the CBB. Also, as you might be aware, there is some debate about the Community Portal and the design process. While Go for it! has done some nice things with the Community Portal, a number of people disagree with the process he's using and instead favor a collaborative process, with discussion. The CBB, being a key part of the Community Portal, is part of the discussion. Personally, I'd like keep the CBB prominently on the Community Portal, yet not bury everything else that used to be here. We're using a draft version of the community portal to try out options, rather than use the actual Community Portal as a guinea pig for experimenting. Your input to the discussions would be very welcome. Go for it!'s ideas would also be welcome there. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

FL Tallest structures in Paris[edit]

You recently voted oppose for this article's request to become a featured list. The main or sole reason behind your choice to oppose was that there were many red links on the article. This was in the process of being attended to by Metropolitan well before I nominated this article for FL status, so I apologize that the article was not ready to become an FL as of then. Now, though, all but a few red links have been replaced by blue links.

For the time being, your oppose vote has been stricken out because your reason for opposing has been attended to. If you still believe this article should not become a featured list, please de-strike your comment and state a new reason. If you think that because of the lack of red links, it now deserves a support vote, kindly note that below your original vote and write "support". Thank you for your vote on that page. J@redtalk+ ubx  02:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

My (HereToHelp’s) RfA[edit]

Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) --HereToHelp 13:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata[edit]

Remeber this? Well, I passed 4000 edits sometime around April 1. :) Cheers. --Fang Aili 說嗎? 00:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Give me a few years! --Fang Aili 說嗎? 02:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


Please see Wikipedia:Cleanup process/Cleanup sorting proposal. I think it could an opportunity to re-introduce wiki-week. Renata 13:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I made some implementation suggestions there. And my sympathies; I have also been hit by a truckload of real life. -- Beland 03:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


The Community Portal was recently reverted to a version that appeared months ago. Therefore, I've called for a vote to restore to the Community Portal the version that had developed here up until that reversion. There are three drafts competing for the privilege, each representing entirely different approaches, including the current revert version. To show your support for which design should be displayed as the Community Portal, VOTE HERE. Sincerely, --Go for it! 18:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA review[edit]

Renata, don't faint from shock...I've finally begun your review for RfA! :) I've done most everything except reviewing your various talk page contributions. That's a highly time consumptive step, since in your case it's hundreds of talk page edits. So, before I go any further, I'd like to ask if you are ready to go up for RfA at this point? I'm asking because I noticed that your studies are burdening you right now, so running a seven day RfA that you'd need to keep daily tabs on might not be the best thing at the moment.

Everything in my review so far is very good. I really like your distribution of edits within the Wikipedia project namespace; you've stuck your fingers into a lot of pies! I also saw you've made 480 contributions to Commons, and another >100 to the Lithuania language Wikipedia. Everything looks very good so far. --Durin 17:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

CBB archiving[edit]

I just updated the CBB archives, with everything up to what's presently listed on the CBB. I did that so the Portals, Collaborations, and WikiProjects announcements can say a little more than being just listed, as they are on the CBB (to keep the CBB more concise and compact). I also added a commented notice to the CBB page, asking people who add new items to the CBB to also list it on the archives page. Not sure how well people will follow that and do so. If they don't, I can follow up and take care of it. --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you see this?[edit]

Did you see this? --Durin 13:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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reNATA - do you really support NATO having such image?[edit]

In your archive there were some characteristic messages with political context. Do u really support NATO ReNATA having such the image?

Huh??? Renata 17:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

A very itty-bitty non-spam-ified thank you for supporting my RfA. --Fang Aili 說嗎? 19:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions[edit]

Please take a look at the article and see if anything can be done for you to change your vote. Circa 1900 05:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot on your tips at WP:FLC! Circa 1900 03:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Community portal bug[edit]

Howdy. Just wondering what browser the bug was seen in, And, could you check if it's the same or fixed at Wikipedia:Community Portal/Redesign/Draft2a (I just removed 2 <center> tags, which i think might clear it up, without reducing the table width.) Thanks :) --Quiddity 20:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it on the draft. The deal is with width being 100%. I changed it to 92 and it's fine. I am using IE 6.0 (btw, nice work on design). Renata 20:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Does it work at 99% too? that would help with less line-wrap in the content, on smaller screens. (reply wherever, i watchlist :) And thanks :) --Quiddity 20:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Nope, 99 does not work. 94 works barely and 93 is good :) Renata 21:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Freedom wars[edit]

I replied at Talk:Freedom wars of Lithuania. //Halibutt 10:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp[edit]

Thanks for your help. I moved your comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp/archive1 and replied there, hope you don't mind. //Halibutt 17:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that is what I call feedback :) Thanks a lot, I'll try to correct as much as I can. You're my hero, really. //Halibutt 23:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
No need to take my comment back as it's still 100% valid. The little marks I put there need a little explanation. I simply decided to adopt your list as part of my to-do list. The ticked questions I consider solved. Those marked with a red cross are:
  1. Either in need of further explanation
  2. in need of clarification
  3. Postponed until later stages of the development (as in the case of pic formatting)
  4. or simply things I consider bad ideas (hardly any of them)
It's not that I generally don't agree with what you wrote, it's the other way around :). Anyway, apparently I'll have to dig up my plan to rework the whole history section. I tried to follow the chronological order, but apparently it makes you confused. What do you think a best option would be? Splitting the section in two? //Halibutt 01:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Labas. I have a 30,000 sign long article to be written by tomorrow morning. Yet I spent 3 hours on fixing the Mauthausen-Gusen article... Time for Wikivacations, definitely. Else my wikiholism is going to kill me :/ Anyway, I hope I fixed most of the issues you had with the historical section. In most cases I tried to simply reorder the chunks of text and combine them in several sub-sections. Hope that solves most of the problems. //Halibutt 16:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed your changes. Some things I noticed (not really mistakes though):
  1. It wasn't exactly converted into a labour camp on May 8, 1939. In fact the first prisoners to be held there prior to that day were also forced to work on the construction. However, the conditions prior to the arrival of the first transports of prisoners from the outside (and not from Dachau) changed as the principle of the work changed. This is but a detail though.
  2. east of the city of Linz sounds better to me than east of Linz city. I'm not a native speaker though.
  3. Nazi Germany... I generally dislike the term. Generally, I noticed that German post-war propaganda of success achieved its goals in that whatever wrong was committed in WWII, it's attributed to Nazi Germany (as if it was the name of the state), while positive phenomena are kept related to "Germany" and almost never to Nazi Germany. But of course that's how it is and I'm not going to revert your change.
  4. If I were you I would add the {{seealso|Vernichtung durch Arbeit}} link back. That section is just a local description of a wider phenomenon and remains closely-tied to it. However, I guess it's just a matter of style: I like such generalizing links above sections, others don't.
  5. as to mobile gas chambers... a funny thing: I don't remember what was my original version of that sentence, but it was changed by one of the guys to copyedit the article. And now you changed that even further and I get an impression that you in fact reverted the sentence to its original version by yours truly. Quite comforting I must say :)
Anyway, let me know if the section seems fine now so that I could safely proceed to other issues you listed. BTW, I've got 6 hours to go and still some 20,000 signs to write. Ouch, it's going to hurt... //Halibutt 04:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, happy student days are suspended for me. These are happy journalist days and unhappy journalist nights :) Anyway, good night. //Halibutt
Sure the article has too many definite articles, after all it's been written primarily by a Pole. And we don't have any articles in Polish language. For most of us the matter is as complicated as grammatical gender is to Britons. What's more, in Spanish the articles are inserted much more often than in English, which is another problem for me as I speak both languages. Anyway, after some 26 hours in front of my laptop I'm finally done (more or less) with my work and could focus on fixing the other mistakes on our to-do list. Let's see... //Halibutt 17:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Basically... I don't. Another answer would be at times. //Halibutt 18:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello there, there's another chunk of questions for you there. //Halibutt 10:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Phew, at last I had some time to revise most of the issues you raised there. Some were left out for the final touch (stacking pictures, for instance), others are still unsolved because in most cases I simply had no idea how to reword some statements. Finally, there's still the problem of the stairs of death in the header, which I'm not sure we should remove. Could you take a look at the list? I believe we could nominate the article for FA any minute now, but there's still a lot we could improve... //Halibutt 17:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
The project I was working on took some week more to finish, but I should be ready to implement the final changes now. Could you possibly take a look at the list of issues and help me solve the riddles? //Halibutt 13:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently it's good the two of us are not married to each other, we would barely ever meet at home ;) I'm busy when you have time and the other way around. Anyway, I'll try to take a look at the list again and perhaps ask Piotrus to help me reword some parts there. //Halibutt 13:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sadly, much of my sense of humour is lost in translation :) . Anyway, thanks again for your hard work, I really appreciate that. I think that I already addressed most of the issues at our to-do list. Hopefully the article is now readable by some non-informed reader. I also sent an e-mail to the Mauthausen Memorial to ask their advice on some questions that still need to be solved.
As to your latest comment at my talk page, you wrote that the last section needs topical reorganization (by camps, much like the first part). My problem is that I'm not sure what section you mean. Is it the "Inmates"? If so, then I'm not sure such a reorganization is really needed, as in all camps the treatment of the prisoners, the labour they did and the internal system were almost identical. What differed were the companies that used them and the facilities available locally, but this is already explained in the first part. Or perhaps I got you wrong? //Halibutt 13:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello Renata, thank you for your translation of this article, something, I had waited for quite a while. I used it for a German translation. Thanks, best regards. --Gf1961 08:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your hint re: the quality loss by cascading translations (In Germany it's a childrens game by the way, letting a group mutilate a sentence, transporting it via whispering in each next one's ear :->). I am aware of the problem and pointed it out on the German discussion page for the article. In my opinion, even bad articles invite people to participate and make it better, hopefully native speakers as well. Greetings, --Gf1961 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


Hey, just wanted to let you know that WP:PROD still works! A backup system is in place to handle the organization of when the PROD tags were added. Cheers! --lightdarkness (talk) 03:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your work when I was impersonated, and taking appropriate action. The JPS 15:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note[edit]

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


...for the markup tweak. You rock. --Kickstart70-T-C 04:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

WW2 images are out of copyright clearly. They were created 65 years ago. The third image I found online by google search. In addition to that, I see you are Lithuanian, thus please see the Armia Krajowa article. The section on relations with Lithuanians is presently unsourced, as well is getting some doubtful editing from time to time. Sources however are presented in talk page by Lysy, Halibutt and others, but for some reasons not added to the article - add them. I know something about the subject but too little and I am far from both Poland and Lithuania. D'Italia 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, source is here: . Scroll down.

Lithuania bounty[edit]

I've added $5 to your Lithuania bounty offer, in the hopes of helping that systemic bias thing. I wasn't sure about the best way to edit Wikipedia:Reward board to add my offer; please feel free to rephrase the bounty offer as you prefer. -- Creidieki 19:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

On this topic, would you consider music of Lithuania acceptable? Part of it does/should cover pop culture, so I thought I'd ask first. Tuf-Kat 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Graves Brothers[edit]

Thanks for the heads up on the Graves Brothers stub. I checked it out and it was bar-non the worst article i have seen at Wikipedia (no offense intended, it just was b-a-d). "Uaroy" Greaves is actually "Aaron" Graves (i was shocked to see that dumb old error perpetuated here) and using Rolling Stone as a lead-in to describe these folks, as if they only had creds when patronized by rock reviewers, is just barrel-scraping, in my opinion, in lieu of real research. Well, i shuffled it up a little, but really, it needs to be rewritten from scratch. Ugh. Ghastly. Catherineyronwode 04:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Two things: (1) Graves Brothers is a fine title, and no others need be made, but the poor little stub does need a total of 6 re-directs -- from Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves and Brother, from Uaroy Graves, from Aaron Graves, and from Mississippi Jook Band. (2) As for written soruces for the other musicians on my list -- "early Down Home Blues" by Jeff Titon and "Songsters and Saints" by Paul Oliver come to mind as sources; most any book by Paul Oliver is good, but some of his others refer more to the music than to the personages. By the way, i greatly admire your Lithuanian work -- you are truly dedicated. I just spent the morning writing in an obscure "occult grimoires of 18th century France that pretend to be Jewish but are actually Christian corner of the Wikipedia, and i must get to work at my real job, so ta-ta for now. In friendship, Catherineyronwode 20:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Requestion your Suggestions re Featured Lists[edit]

I notice you often comment on Featured List requests - I think that List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meets the criteria; however, since I am new to that process I am asking for any advice/suggestions to identify any deficiencies prior to nomination. thx in adv. Trödel 02:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the suggestions - will get to work on it over the next few weeks. FYI - it is a comprensive list the increase in 1999-2000 was the result of a change to the design that allowed much smaller temples to be built (and thus made them less expensive). Trödel 12:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


wikipedija reikalauja, kad informacija butu patikrinama (verifiable), nemanau kad visiems trivialiems dalykams reikia duot nuorodas i kitus saltinius. Sigitas 13:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Donatas Vencevičius[edit]

Thanks very much for the swift edit. Runcorn 18:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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Argh! Yes, I'm having some issues tagging photos lately, and I don't know what the proper tags are. I have [two that I've uploaded] but I don't know what category they fall under. The first one, [StudioB], is a recently taken photo from, and they have no problems with it being attached to the article Trojan Vision. The second is the berkeley photo you edited that's on the USC School of Cinema-Television page, and it's from the University of Southern California Cinema Library -- It was taken over 50 years ago, perhaps by someone who is no longer alive, and I don't believe the school owns its copyright, just the physical image. If you could help me label these so they don't get deleted, I'd really appreciate it! --UnderPressure, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cam Gordon.jpg[edit]

Ha! Thanks for bringing it to my attention... I uploaded it a while back and was very mistaken about the liscence (in more ways than one.) I marked it for speedy deletion. Grandmasterka 07:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Image:Boiceville_station.jpg & Image:Brodheads_bridge.jpg[edit]

I have changed the copyright status of these images from {{PD-ineligible}} to {{PD-old-50}}, and I am sorry I didn't do tht earlier. I must have forgotten to. Kschwerdt514 3:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Image:BattleOfBrownstown.jpg[edit]

If you actually *look* at the image, you will see that it is NOT a photograph, but a diagram. I've found a tag that seems a little more appropriate, but it's NOT given as an option on the image upload page, and consequently, I don't know that the new image is acceptable. I earned my livelihood from IP, and I am very aware of IP rights. This isn't a matter of rights, but an issue of Wikipedia protocol; still, I'd like to conform there, too. ClairSamoht 12:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lupo's RFC[edit]

I agree with you: this is an extremely complicated legal matter. However, in Anglo-Saxon law as well as in a lot of others, a complicated matter is resolved by two possible ways: 1) Either there exists a clearly defined law or policy forbidding (or authorizing) something. 2) Either there exists a court case proving or disproving it. Lupo was unable to provide us with none of those. So he has no power whatsoever to do what he did. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 17:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

From here:
"These are cases where I would generally not delete the entry unless the alleged copyright holder complains. Given Wikipedia's potential liability, after a complaint, immediate action may be necessary, although later correction is possible. But it is not Wikipedians' job to excessively "police" content for copyright infringements, especially when such may not even exist.
And what Lupo did was just the opposite. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

copying Kuban Kazak's answer from my own talk page -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF)

Renata, if you go on any Russian website you will find that all works published even after 1973 are displayed and not in a thousand years will anybody try to persecute anyone. Moreover the way Soviet mentality was that everything is common. So published works in the Soviet Union could have been used for any purpose. That is the way it is now in Russia. --Kuban Cossack Romanov Flag.svg 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
In the US there is a clause The defendent is assumed innocent until proven guilty in that case until wiki is actually accused by an external, ie, Russian author (which is less likely to happen than the moon falling from the sky). It is wrong to just have some vigilante make rules on images that he does not even use himself--Kuban Cossack Romanov Flag.svg 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Passport photos are not copyrightable. I'm not around much, but I wrote a great deal of the Wikipedia:Copyrights information, and I'm familiar with international copyright. If you doubt that passport photos are ineligible for copyright, ask one of the experts like User:Lupo, or list in on WP:PUI. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Casp6 T281 small.gif[edit]

I had permission to use any and all images from Rosetta's team, see comment from Head Scientist "Please use any and all images you want. thanks!"

Speedy deletion[edit]

Regarding the article Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "This image is a redundant (all pixels the same or scaled down) copy of Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which is on Wikipedia (not Commons), and all inward links have been updated", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the image is not scaled down or duplicate, it is larger. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:IFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 22:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image-03: Alex Theatre (Glendale, California)[edit]

I seem to be having major problems keeping this image from being deleted. The image is not mine, but I did get permission to use it from the author (see source on image). What tag should it have? Please DO NOT delete this image. Thanks.--Metron4 03:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for adding a better tag.--Metron4 18:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yet another request[edit]

Hi there, it's been a long time... I've been a bit out of touch with the wiki due to a RL situation, but now I may have some time to edit again. I wanted to ask you if you could have a look at User:Rune.welsh/FLC at some point and update as you see fit, specially regarding the "Other precedent" section regarding recent nominations. This is by no means urgent, of course.

Hope you're doing alright. How's school going? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 10:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

FL-Tri Nations[edit]

Hi Renata, I responded to your comments at the FLC page. But I'm not sure which direction to take the history (as its already longer than Swedish football champions and English football champions). Any other help would be much appreciated. Cheers. Cvene64 06:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your gift. Stephen B Streater 12:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.

It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.

--Cat out 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.
What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?
--Cat out 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. --Cat out 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


As per User_talk:Moeron#Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg, I have created the article and have designated I am using the album cover under fair use. Please contact me if there is further problems. Thanks!--MOE.RON talk | done | doing 19:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Must I provide something beyond having the album cover presented in the album infobox, as per Ruckus (album)?--MOE.RON talk | done | doing 19:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Final time I will bother you, I promise :) Can you take a look at Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg now and tell me if this is acceptable or not? Thanks!


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article tent pegging, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for a great nom! 01:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use Images[edit]


I wanted to raise an issue and think that you will be a good person to discuss before proceeding. This is with regards to misinterpretation of "Fair Use" that is done by a lot of editors while adding images to articles. Specifically, I have seen a lot of articles using TV/Movie screenshots and other images in very high screen resolution. Morover, a lot of them also don't seem to follow "using a limited number of screenshot" policy and bend it quite easily. Had the problem been with a couple of articles, I would have raised the issue myself. However the magnitude made me start thinking about alternatives. What do you suggest? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with everything you said. Even I have experienced what you are telling. Unfortunately its not easy to get people understand them. People will always choose "easy" over "right", and more so because the former makes the encyclopedia look better. The required rules and policies are always there but implementation is missing. What I plan to do from now on is oppose the use inappropriate fair-use images in articles going to FAC. You seem to be doing something similar. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ačiu. Gal turi minciu del siu mano nuotrauku [3], gal tiktu kokia i dienos paveiksliuka (nebloga lazdyno ziedai). Algirdas 15:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK updates to suggestions while updates in progress[edit]

It is dangerous to update DYK suggestions while a refresh is in progress (which is why we put the "CAUTION" banner in the refresh area, did you see it?) , at least while I am doing it because I keep the entire suggestion subsection open for edit while I am doing it. You may want to take some history diffs to see if your updates made it into the version I saved, and if not, redo them, without losing the changes I made... Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for your suggestions!... ++Lar: t/c 03:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC) (PS you can/should answer here as I keep an eye on talk pages where I start threads)


Short answer : Yes. - Mailer Diablo 06:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for Laurynas picture[edit]

Renata, thank you for your support that I as newcommer value very much. Laurynas page looks much nicer. Juraune 19:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Teddy bears missed you[edit]

Thank you! I'm glad I have friends around. *Wipes tears (of JOY!) from eyes* -- 127.*.*.1 02:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Nevėžis River, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 18:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

About Juozas Lukoševičius article[edit]

I only remember Wikifiing the article, not created it. I don't no why the history says I created it.


It's fine. You're not the first one to do it, but you're certainly more subtle. :) -→Buchanan-Hermit/!? 08:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Homeland Union[edit]

Hello. Since you know Lithuanian, I was wondering if you could help come up with a better translation for the party described here. I think ...and Exiled Christian Democrats would be fine, but I just wanted to check with you. Thank you. Biruitorul 18:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the move!Biruitorul 03:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the Day[edit]

I'd be interested in doing a little help here and there regarding motto of the day. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 10:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a query: can I comment about other's mottos? ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 05:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[edit]

This was deleted some time ago (February I'm assuming), and you said if it got in the top 100,000 on Alexa, it could return. Now, it's in the top 20,000, so is it notable enough for wikipedia yet? Amaas120 05:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You might be interested[edit]

There is a dispute[4] Which might interest you. --Molobo 14:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Req. of protection[edit]

Hello. Article Vytautas the Great suffering major vandalism, could you please prohibit editing at least for unregistered users? M.K. 17:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, in this point to talk ti them I believe is pointless M.K. 19:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


Labas. Aš eilinį sykį apie savo žemėlapius (jei dar nenusibodau :) ) - padariau šiokį tokį seniūnijų žemėlapį (čia), tai jei kada reiktų angliško varianto, sakyk, mėginsiu padaryt (taip pat ir rajonų žemėlapius su pažymėtom seniūnijom kada nors kai darysiu - kai bus potencialios klaidos ištaisytos). Knutux 14:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for all the work finding silly images for deletion. However, policy requires that the uploader be notified (preferably using {{idw|Image:Example.png}}) before we can delete. Regards, howcheng {chat} 16:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you think this is neutral?[edit]

Do you think this description is neutral ? [5] --Molobo 23:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Sweet gesture[edit]

I got your message. That's the nicest thing I've read anywhere on Wikipedia. So I'm keeping it in my award section (it's my favorite award of the them all). --Go for it! 14:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm Polish[edit]

I see you have counted me as Russian, I am Polish actually :P Cheers. --Molobo 11:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kernave Pajauta.jpg[edit]

Many thanks, it looks much better now. I've also lightened the coulour a bit. --Lysytalk 17:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Form of government[edit]

Heya Renata,

Thanks for the praise, but I suppose my talents mostly extend to clicking on squares with a paint bucket tool with some degree of effectiveness. The starting point was List of governments by form of government, but some commentary and feedback from other editors has led it to deviate somewhat, and we've basically concluded that the list could do with some work. While I've been trying to keep it as cut-and-dried as possible, there's no doubt that there are some nagging grey areas--for instance, Finland has given us some headaches, and I know that in the Baltics the various Presidents are a little more active politically than might be seen in Ireland or Germany. The Tom 19:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Photo gallery of Lithuania[edit]

Hello Renata, Yesterday i have added a photo gallery to Lithuania: And then you have removed it stating it is spam. I can't see why, this site has 153 photos of Lithuania currently (Vilnius, Kaunas, Klaipeda, Klaipėda, Kedainiai, Kėdainiai, Siauliai, Šiauliai etc.), it is a non commercial site also. Please elaborate why you believe it is spam. Regards, Daniel

Since you have no talk page, I will reply here. Lithuania article has only official links - Seimas, President, other institutions, official travel guides, etc. It's good to keep it this way because soon people are going to be adding bunch of their home-made stuff., I left your link on Vilnius. Renata 02:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Renata, Now i see what was the point of removing that link, i agree with you on keeping just the official sites there, but i didn't know about this before. I have just contacted you because i don't agree the page is spam.

No problem. "Rv spam" is just a very short & quick way to say that I have removed an external link. It's not a statement :) Have a nice day, Renata 19:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

You too! :)


Thanks. Large part of it is your work actually :) I'd really have to reconsider my proficient nitpicker remark actually. //Halibutt 06:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Requesting opinion[edit]


Its me again. This time there is a serious copyright issue I want your opinion on. Please check the discussion at the Indian Notice Board. The problem concerns the use of images that were taken nearly 100 years back. Under the Indian copyright law, the works before 70 years are ineligible for copyright. However, in this case, the newspaper's website is "Selling" these images. They are displaying thumbnails and promising high resolution images in return of money. The issue is whether the images that are displayed in the website can be used on Wikipedia, and if yes, would it fall under {{PD-India}}. For details of the debate, please go through the discussion going on. You may wish to reply in the on-going discussion or at my own talk page. Also, if possible please take up this issue with other senior and experienced wikipedians you know who can help in this regard. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Jogaila of Lithuania[edit]

Hi. Would you be ready to accept a compromise re naming Wladyslaw II Jagello Of Poland? I mean, does the article name need anything more than Jagiello ? How does this formulation feel from a Baltic viewpoint? Shilkanni 22:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge/Deletion of article[edit]

Labas, netycia sukuriau antra straipsni apie laikinaja vyriausybe Provisional Government of Lithuania, nepamates, kad jau egzistuoja Lithuanian underground government. As nezinau kaip man istrinti savo nauja straipsni. Be to manau kad pavadinimas "Lithuanian underground government" yra neteisingas, nes prie vokieciu laikinoji vyriausybe veike viesai, tai nebuvo pogrindine organizacija . Siulau pavadinti sena straipsni "Provisional Government of Lithuania (1941)", o nauja istrinti Sigitas 16:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Lietuviški ogg-failai[edit]

Labas Renata,
aš labai džiaugiausiu, kad du tiek daug ogg-failų įkalbėjai. Todėl aš turiu vieną klausimą: Ar tu galėtum dar šitus žodžius įkalbėti?

  • Artūras Paulauskas
  • Arvydas Sabonis
  • Vytautas Landsbergis
  • Kazimiera Prunskienė
  • Nemunas
  • Lietuvos Geležinkeliai
  • Lietuvos nacionalinis radijas ir televizija
  • Kryžių kalnas

Tu turi labai gerą ištarimą, tikrai labei puiku :) Atsiprašau už mano klaidas, aš labai ne be kalbėjau lietuviškai. Iki --Jcornelius19:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update[edit]

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Could you do me a little favour please? I am in the process of translating Laima for German wikipedia. The English article has a sentence, I don't or don't want to understand. She was protector for incesting (right after interview in italics). Is that vandalism or simply a false translation? Could you check that plaese and take appropriate action or leave it alone, if I am wrong. Thank you. ----Gf1961 10:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into it and your advice re quality of article. ----Gf1961 11:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day out of mottos[edit]

Ya... There are no more!--digital_me(TalkˑContribs) 17:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I have put up one for today, and I'll do the rest of the week.--digital_me(TalkˑContribs) 17:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

FLC List of circulating currencies[edit]

Heya there. Has your objection to this nomination been satisfied? I think it can be promoted but don't have much time to check on your objection. Re on the nom page. Thanks! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Congratulations, Renata, for your splendid job on Lituanian municipalities. I translated it into french recently, and of course you will be duly credited in the discussion page. For sure there are still many red links and it will probably take long to have them become blue. Cheers and thanks again.
Archibald Tuttle 17:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Cute userpage :) While we are moving nicknamed Radziwiłłs, there is one we've missed: Michał Kazimierz "Rybeńko" Radziwiłł. Any ideas how to translate Rybeńko? AFAIK this specific diminuative of 'fish' was invented and used by him... in other words, should we translate idiolects? My gut feeling is that no. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

It will be a pleasure to meet you at Wikimania :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up[edit]

Plz see response on talk:1632 series // FrankB 09:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


done. //Halibutt

Dragonfly list FL status[edit]

Hi. Can you let me know if you feel that all issues with List of dragonflies recorded in Britain have now been addressed? Thanks SP-KP 22:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

BAFTA Award for Best Film FLC[edit]

I've resolved most of your objections. If you could take a look at the table for the 40's and tell me what's good and whats bad it'd be appreciated. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 08:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Good job on pronunciation[edit]

Thanks for adding the pronunciation ogg files to all those Lithuanian articles. heqs 21:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Language check[edit]

If you have the time could you look at Palanga International Airport and the external official airport site. It looks as if it might have been copied but I can't tell if it's a direct cut and paste or if it's been rewritten. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


I noticed that there want one yesterday so i added one, in did the same for today and tomoz, i was wondering if you are still the overseer of the project. If you need help with it i will gladly join in. Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 08:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out! It would be great if you could take over the whole thing since my schedule as predictable as stock market :) So, let me know. I scheduled the mottos for the whole month of July. Renata 21:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Id gladly take it off your hands, i'm not really running anything project wise so i'll have plenty of time to do it :-> Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 09:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I have time to be an adjunct overseer.Geo. 20:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I meant that i would be willing to be a assistant to Childzy and do the overseer duties when he is away.Geo. 20:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


Labas Renata, nuo spalio 1 gyvensiu ir dirbsiu Albany, New York, butu malonu susitikti pintai alaus NYC. Sigitas 12:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


...for the kind words!  :) --Elonka 22:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


"Lithuanian vs. of/in Lithuania: same as lietuvių vs. Lietuvos. Lithuanian apply only to ~85% of residents of Lithuania while of/in Lithuania apply to all 3.5M residents" Drįsčiau nesutikti. Anglų kalboje/sąmonėje Lithuanian vargu ar suvokiamas etnine prasme (o veikiau kaip "iš Lietuvos", o kalbant apie žmones "turintis Lietuvos pilietybę"). Pvz. Albanians vartojamas kalbant apie Albanijos piliečius, o kalbant apie Jugoslavijos albanus sakoma "ethnic Albanians". O tai reikštų, kad Lithuanian suvokiamas "nationality" prasme, kuri, savo ruožtu, šiuolaikinėje anglų reiškia ne tautybę (ethnicity), o pilietybę.Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Batman FLC[edit]

I'm starting those articles. I've developed 10 stubs. I'll expand the plot to two or three paragraphs and complete the cast section, then move to the next ten stubs. I'm using featured article List of Oh My Goddess episodes as template for this operation.--T-man, the wise 21:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit sumary[edit]

Is it really necessary, or recomended? --Lokyz 19:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

At the time I do not want to become an admin:) I just love to structure out things:) Yup, I know alt+p:) I'm just too much in a hurry sometimes:) and - check this (mess) out User:Lokyz/tools/sandbox/Wikiproject Lithuania maybe it could become a real Wikiproject, and a real tool for timesaving.--Lokyz 20:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Some old move question[edit]

Hi, I see you moved Nida, Lithuania to Nida (town) a year ago. Is there a policy that prefers (town) over , Lithuania? Just wondering. Renata 18:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

No idea, really. Probably I wanted to be consistent with something or did it for future consistency reasons but don't remember now. I don't mind renaming if you find another name better for the article. --Lysytalk 08:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi! It was nice to meet you at Wikimania! :-) I hope you increased your opinion on it ;-) Keep doing the good work here. :) Domas Mituzas 07:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA[edit]

My part is mostly donea and moved the page to Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3 (3) already. If you don't have any major objections sign your acceptance and let me know once you do it. I'd then sign the nomination and post it in the RfA page. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 12:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • You're off to a smashing 10-0 start. I figured you would sail through. Let me be the first (hope I'm not jinxing anything!) to say "Congratulations!" :) --Durin 15:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The nomination is looking real nice. Enjoy the ride! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 16:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I am bad editor, so i voted as oppose just for intrigue. M.K. 18:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC) p.s. joking, just joking :)

A smile for you...[edit]

Michael 07:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


At first I put them down as cities but then I saw another city on the list which had the word "town" in it so it confused me a little, then I changed the others to town, but from now on I'll keep it in mind. And as for staying, I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon ;). Andrius 09:25, 11 August (UTC)

The image mess[edit]

Hi, How can I help? Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 22:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your NOTE I am beginning to understand what to do and will take a look. Thanks. :) Dlohcierekim 23:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Ye gad[edit]

Hi, Before I get started and screw things up. And really get yelled at. I find no rationale for the use of these images and don't see them as essential. Also, they are high resolution. AM I right or wrong? Do I speedy~

Image:175 sami omar alhussayen.jpg

Image:13C chemical shifts.gif



 :) Dlohcierekim 02:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I can tell that it will be a while before I can be effective. Thanks for explaining the individual imges.  :) Dlohcierekim 13:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Your Answers[edit]


Don't get angry over me on the RfA questions. One doesn't need to be a copyright expert to answer these questions. I just wanted your opinion on the Foxtrot image and framed it in the form of an RfA question (since your RfA was on). Your answers were great (as much as my understanding of policies go), and I expected them that way. Even I was unsure about how to go about the FPC pages. Cheers, — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Here would be appreciated, or anything to stop this from becoming a revert war.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually it appears this is not an isolated incident: [6], [7]. I find this is a disturbing development, especially as I don't think any Polish user has ever removed 'Suvalkai' from Suwałki or would argue that it should be done. I'd ask you to revert the removal of those edits (and any you find in the future) and as a person who writes a lots about this period, I can assure you having Polish names is not some kind of nationalist pride but is simply useful, as many sources (Polish, English) use Polish names and they should be mentioned in the articles to prevent any confusion when a user follows a redirect (or simply types in a Polish name from a book they are reading)).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Remind me, please, that today Kaunas city etc. have common with today Suvalkai? And if you read Polish books the best thing for finding Polish names is Polish sources. M.K. 19:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)p.s. if you want to talk with me use mine talk; i do not want to repeat what I said there here again.
Both were part of the PLC, both had substantial Polish and Lithuanian speakers communities in their times, and even through they are in different countries now both former names should be used. Besides: Dubinki=102 mentions, Dubingai=7. Oh, and Kowno=6k, Kaunas=10k - I'd think that the name half as popular and used in hundreds of book deserves at least one mention in the article. If not, then you would agree that Suwałki=2,5k has no need to mention Suvalkai (barely 100 hits).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to repeat my request that you restore Polish (and Belarusian, and German, and other) names at articles about current Lithuanian cities and such. Their lack is an ommission of important encyclopedic knowledge. :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you lead by example P.P., and add Liublinas to the lead of Lublin? You know due to the "importance" of shared histories of the PLC, and the "notability" of the Union of Lublin. Wasn't importance and notability Halibutt's rationale in adding Polish names to Lithuanian geographical entities. Can you demonstrate how these changes should be reverted back where Lithuanian names apply? I think my change regarding Lublin was reverted a couple of times before. Check with Balcer. Btw, can you help to add the Lithuanian names of Polish toponyms throughtout English Wikipedia. I'd be happy to get you help on it too. Thanks in advance. Dr. Dan 03:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

You both, out of my talk page: here is the place for such talks. Renata 03:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fair use rationale[edit]

Thank you for the advice! I maintain a Fair Use Rationale boilerplate, which continues to improve. However, you put as one of the rationales "The image used for educational and informational purposes by Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization." Are you sure we can use this rationale, since Wikipedia is mirrored by other websites with different intents? —this is messedrocker (talk) 19:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Question on inconsistency[edit]

First - Thanks for the support :D (Ačiū).
Secondly, say if I see some inconsistency in terms of stubs - e.g. Marijampolė is a stub while Tauragė isn't, since they seem quite similar - are they both stubs or is neither a stub?

And also, would a featured list count as a featured article on the template? (Common sense says yes, but I'm not completely sure) Andrius Flag of Lithuania.svg 14:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


June last year, you wished me good luck becoming an admin, and I kept the message on my user page. Today, I finally succeeded! Looks like the good luck finally caught up with me. Soo 16:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Diacritics and page moves[edit]

Hi! Recently several editors, including yourself, have reverted edits by User:Gene Nygaard which moved pages to diacriticless titles, or expressed concern at the moves on his talk page. Despite this, Gene has carried on making many moves of this type, some of which will require admin work to revert - this behaviour is becoming disruptive, and is reducing consistency in article naming schemes. Further comments, suggestions and opinions would be welcome either at User talk:Gene Nygaard or at the section started by Renata3 at WP:AN/I. I believe this may require a report at RfM - please let me know if you think this would be a suitable action or otherwise. Aquilina 16:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I was genuinely concerned - I had some of these articles on my watchlist, and was worried when I saw how many articles were being moved in such a short time and I noticed there was a large consensus against this. Finally, when he said that I wasn't experienced enough to be listened to I didn't feel I had any other option than AN/I.
This is going to be a big issue in the future - some ice hockey contributors have decided to strip all hockey players of their diacritics - see Talk:Marian Gaborik and Talk:Teemu Selänne and the contributions of the posters. It's clear from how heated those discussions have become that this will spill out to other areas too. There is now some attempt to patch this up language by language - see here and here - but I can't see this fragmented approach working.
Happily, it looks like this will all clear up now in the short term. Good luck with your RfA in the meantime - I dropped by the ballot box yesterday...! Aquilina 18:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Gene has carried on his quest to highlight naming mistakes through page moving - I've left another note on WP:AN/I. If you have any further suggestions, it would be nice to hear them! Aquilina 17:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on your adminship, it is well deserved. I will soon be largely unavailable for editing for a considerable period of time; if you could keep an eye on the above matter it would be much appreciated - your shiny new tools and buttons might help with cleaning up his mess! (Speaking of which, could you sort Detinja out...?). User:Freakofnurture has suggested opening an RfC against him - this could be a worthwhile option to pursue, and I will find time to chip in a statement if necessary.

See you round, Aquilina 19:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Pics Dobkevicius[edit]

Now it should be OK? Tag PD-old is alright I think. Isn't it? Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 20:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter[edit]

Program Feature: To-Do List
The Esperanza To-Do List is a place where you may list any request, big or small, for assistance. If you need help with archiving your usertalk, for example, all you need to do is list it here and somebody will help you out. Likewise, if you need help with some area of editing on Wikipedia, list it here! Again, any matter, trivial or not, can be placed on this page. However, all matters listed on this page must not be of an argumentative nature. You do not need to be a member of Esperanza (or this program) to place or fulfill requests on this page. If you don't have any requests, consider coming by and fulfilling a few! This program has not been very active, but has lots of potential!
What's New?
In order to help proposed programs become specific enough to make into full-fledged programs, the In development section of the proposals page has been created. Proposals that are promising, but need to be organized in more detail are listed here. Please take a look at what is there, and help the proposals turn into programs.
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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of people with epilepsy[edit]

Hi Renata. Thanks for your comments on this article. I've also made a substantial number of changes, making the article considerably larger and more comprehensive than when you last reviewed it. I experimented with the table format that CG suggested. Like you, I thought the bullet list was neat enough. In the end, I decided the tables made it easier to read and looked tidier. I can see that you are really busy at the moment. I'd really appreciate if you could spare some time to review and add your opinion. Thanks very much. If I can return the favour, let me know. Colin°Talk 21:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I've fixed the date column and added a longer introduction as requested by others.

I appreciate your concerns about relying on one source. Having the inline citations in their own column makes this stand out like a sore thumb! Many list articles rely on just a few key sources that are listed at the bottom as "References". I've been explicit in indicating the source(s) for every name, so it is more obvious. The LPwE article currently has 85 references, so I haven't just plucked the names out of one book!

Hughes long paper is an important one for this article and is unusual in dealing with so many people in one place. Most papers just deal with a single person. His research was extensive and that paper's own reference list is 154 entries long. I ensured that the LPwE article includes details of those cases where there is disagreement (amongst scholars) over whether someone had epilepsy or not. I plan add even more references and comment here to ensure a balanced reflection of the current debate (where there is one).

This list is now starting to get some support. Perhaps if you can add yours, it might encourage others? Cheers, Colin°Talk 09:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to review this list, and for your support. Cheers, Colin°Talk 13:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


Congratulations on your newly-minted adminship. --Cyde Weys 14:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Now let's play around with the new button a bit... :) Renata 14:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Do what I did ... delete a few userboxes, it really helps relieve the tension and stress. Until someone notices what you did and starts yelling at you for it, anyway. --Cyde Weys 14:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I will with my own newbie mess :) At least no one will yell at me. Renata 14:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, you're now an admin[edit]

You're now an admin, so use the shiny new tools to make this a better place and keep it improving. Be conservative with them especially at first, and re-read the policy before acting and ask questions as needed. Then dig in and help with the backlogs. Again, congrats, and have fun - Taxman Talk 14:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, and have a nice time being the ADMIN:) !! M.K. 14:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations! - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Gratz! -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 15:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:-D -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 15:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Kirill Lokshin 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Congrats from me too. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the cabal club! :))—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations and good luck! :) --james(talk) 01:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't want to pile-on another support in your RfA, but I have noticed a lot of great work from you. Keep it up, and congratulations. ×Meegs 01:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

A Lithuanian admin, finally !!! :-) I'm sorry I missed the RfA. Congrats. --Lysytalk 21:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, ALL. It is very nice and kind of you. I really appreciate it. I just don't believe in spamming people's talk pages with colorful & sarcastic boxes, so don't think I am being rude! Renata 14:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Notifying uploader[edit]

The bot is running on AWB and as far as I know there's unfortunatetly no way to get it to recognize who uploaded an image... I am however trying to not tag very recent uploads with it. --Fritz S. (Talk) 07:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi there. Congrats on your new broom and bucket! As to other issues, could you tell me what baran or baranas mean in Lithuanian? It's quite important as someone suggested that the name Baranauskas is typically Lithuanian and I wonder whether it has any meaning in Lithuanian at all. //Halibutt 12:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Renata, we're not speaking of Christian names, we're speaking of surnames. I wonder why would a Lithuanian adopt a Polish surname, Lithuanize it... and never use it in his entire life. But this is of course beating a dead horse. //Halibutt 19:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
...and that's precisely why Radziwill changed his surname to Kowalski, and then Lithuanized it to Kovalskis? :) Anyway, next week I'm meeting a girl from Kaunas and perhaps she'd be able to translate the word for me. Cheers! //Halibutt 01:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


Well I disagree. Because: 1."It is not notable" It was not just notabale, it was notorious among punks in Lithuania in 80' and 90'. It was The Aristocrats of subcultures in Lithuania.

2."It is unencyclopeadic". Unencyclopeadic yes, unwikipedic - no. Unencyclopeadic articles such as Time cube make Wiki different. That is what Wiki is about. It is open to all (subcultures too).

3. "It is unverifiable". It is verifiable. search words: pankai strazdaneles

4. "WP:NFT" It is proper Urban legend. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Lithuania infobox adjustments[edit]

Area is from Population density is adjusted based on the modified area. GDP figures are from the IMF (using the 2005 figures which is what the ranking is based on). Sorry for not stating them explicitly. --Polaron | Talk 14:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian WikiProject navigation box[edit]

Very nice box; so nice, in fact, that we're going to use it as an example for all other WikiProjects to follow. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 16:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, you did put it in a comment in the template, so it's not that hard ;-)
(Unlike some other projects... it's rather annoying when they copy everything but don't bother to change all the places where it suggests directing questions to the WP:MILHIST coordinators.) Kirill Lokshin 16:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hill of Witches image[edit]

Indeed I have a number of pictures of the Hill of Witches (I wonder how did you know this ?). The problem is that it's all in the trees now, so each picture would probably show only one or another of the sculptures, but not a general view. I'll have a look at it and try to select a representative sample later (in a couple of days). I appreciate your expanding the article from the stub. Some people (myself included) find it easier to collaborate in small steps: I would not add much to an article if nobody else touched it. --Lysytalk 21:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


was created out of process and is being discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries. FYI. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Anton Corbjin- how to tag?[edit]

Hi, Renata

I have shrunk and reloaded one of his images. Then I got a message from ophanbot. Do we attribute his images some way other than fairuse?

Thanks,  :) Dlohcierekim 12:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note I guess I should have speedied it myself, but I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. Thanks again, Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 19:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

copy rights[edit]

I am putting material togethe for my first article. I am unsure if I am allowed to use the images on this site, are the images copyrighted or not? Cowarth 10:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Gods[edit]

Šiaip labai gerai padarei, kad sujungei visus tuos straipsnelius. Nebuvo aišku ką su jais daryti.

Dabartinis sąrašas nėra taip labai apgailėtinas kaip gali pasirodyti iš pirmo žvilgsnio. Didžioji to priežastis yra ne tik kad kažkas liko nesurašyta, o kad nelabai ir aišku, ką ir kaip rašyti. Čia įdomus psichologinis momentas. Narbutas nepateikė jokių aiškų šaltinių, daugelis jo aiškinimų yra nepagrįsti niekuo, išskyrus aš taip noriu, bet daugelis skaitytojų juo žavėjosi. Priežastis turbūt labai paprasta. Jis sudarė aiškų, nedviprasmišką ir tvarkingą “dievų sąrašą”. Toks tvarkingumas yra matyt žmogau proto mėgstamas. Bet šiuo atveju mes negalime jo dirbtinai sukurti. Juk skirstydami į kažkokias kategorijas jau leidžiame manyti, kad tokios kategorijos lietuvių mitologijoje tikrai yra. O juk iš tikrųjų autentiški lietuvių mitologijos šaltiniai nežino išvis kuopinių dievų (kaip kad 'namų dievai', 'karo dievai' ir tt. - kitos tautos, graikai, suomiai, tokius dalykus turi). Taigi, visos kategorijos irgi yra sukurtos dabar, ir tada tenka klausti, kurio mitologo skirstymas priimtinas. Tas kuris užvirė šitą košę pirmas buvo aiškus Pranės Dundulienės pasekėjas. Kitas vėl išmetė net nuorodą į Pranės Dundulienės straipsnį, sakydamas: ten išvis ne mitologija o tik duomenų kratinys.

Žodžiu, viską tenka dėti tik taip, kaip yra neginčytina (nors beveik neginčytina). Todėl ir išeina viskas labai paprastai ir labai nepilnai. Bijau, kad čia sunku kažkokio pilnumo tikėtis. Geriau to sąrašo išvis nebūtų ... Jis jau iš pat pradžių atsirado kaip bandymas sutvarkyti būtent tuos straipsnelius, kurių ten buvo prirašyta be saiko.

Šiaip, sakau, nėra jis toks blogas. Tik kai kuriuos apibrėžimus reikia dar gerokai patikslinti. Kai kurie yra aiškiai perkrauti detalėmis, kiti vienapusiai (remiasi Narbutu turbūt per Dundulienę).

Jeigu viską sutvarkyti tik istorine tvarka iškrenta vienas svarbus dalykas. Yra taip, kad kai kurie vardai kartojasi keliuose šaltiniuose (Pvz., Perkūnas bene visuose) be to yra partvirtinti tautosakoje. Kai kurie ir ne sykį. Tai ir yra tikroji mitologija, nes yra kažkokių mitinių reikšmių. Tuo tarpu tokię sąrašai kaip Lasickio ar Stryjkowski'o mitologijos atžvilgiu yra mažai turiningi, nes jie duoda tik vardus. Šias dvi grupes būtina atskirti. Iš visų sąrašų tik Ipatijaus metraštyje yra ne sąrašas o atpasakotas padavimas/mitas ,bet ten būtent vardai nelabai aiškūs. Todėl Ipatijaus sąrašą geriau aprašyti Lithuanian mythology o list of Lithuanian gods palikti tik vardus (gal net slaviška Ipatijaus metraščio forma) su nuoroda į Lithuanian mythology. Aišku, būtų labai gerai jei kasnors parašytų ištisą straipsnį apie lietuviškus mitus Ipatijaus metraštyje ir jų tyrinėjimus. Medžiagos yra labai daug, bet ji nesutvarkyta. Žodžiu, dėl Ipatijaus labiau reikia ne sąrašo, o rišlaus paaiškinimo, kas ten išvis yra. Vardų sąrašas čia mažai duos.

Apskritai, nepatinka man tas List of Lithuanian gods tokia forma kaip yra, dar labiau nepatiktų jei ten nebebūtų pagrindinio sąrašo o liktų tik istorinis konspektas. Dalykas tas, kad pavyzdžiui niekas nededa pasaulio valstybių sąraše tokios valstybės kaip Utopia nors Thomas Morr vaizdavo Utopiją kaip esančią ir tikrą valstybę. Tas pats yra su tais sąrašais (Pirmasis, Ipatijaus metraštis yra visai normalus ir suprantamas šaltinis, – toliau prasideda visokios keistenybės). Iš tikrųjų, pavyzdžiui Lasickio sąrašas laikomas visiškai neaiškiu, o Narbuto požiūris, kad lietuvių dievai atitinka slavų – graikų panteoną (faktiškai jis parinko tik vardus ir ne visada tikrai lietuviškus) irgi yra gana ginčytinas. Todėl du ilgiausi sąrašai yra utopiniai. Gal tą sąrašą reikėtų kitaip pavadinti? Arba daryti atskiru sąrašus Lasicki, Narbutt, su pilnais vardų katalogais, bendrame sąraše paliekant tik tai, kas turi kokią nors aiškesnę reikšmę (Pavyzdžiui tokią dievaitę Nijolę – Neaišku, iš kur Narbutas ją ištraukė, bet vėliau tas vardas paplito ir yra grožinių kūrinių su veikėja deive Nijole ). Arba daryti dvi dalis: viena sąrašo dalis istorinė, kita apibendrinama. Toj apibendrinamoje dalyje turėtų būti kažkas panašaus į true gods ir doubted or fictional gods. Bet toks skirstymas yra nuolatinis karų šaltinis. Taip ir įsivaizduoju, kaip koks nors ramuvietis norės būtinai padaryti , tarkime, deivę Nijolę - “true”. Žodžiu, nežinau.

Gods list by Licinski? Perhaps Lasicki? Jei Lasicki, tai turiu visą tą sąrašą, bet nesu labai užsidegęs visko to sukrauti, ypač jeigu į bendrą sarašą List of Lithuanian gods. Dalykas tas, kad ten tikrai viskas yra smulkmenų lygio. Tokie dievų (??) vardai kaip kirnis, kr(i)ukis, srutis, pizius (na, galima manyti, tai nebuvo keiksmažodis, nors šiaip lietuvių kalba gana mažai keitėsi) sunkiai įvertinami ir buvo atmesti jau daugumos XIX amžiaus lenkų mitologų. Žodžiu, visa tai yra daugiau trivia than a real mythology. Tiesa, yra tame sąraše gal pusė, kurie neabejotinai turi ryšio su tikėjimu, bet tai įrodoma būtent tuo, kad jie žinomi iš kitur. Pats svarbusis Lasickio liudijimas yra paliudijimas tikėjimo Aukščiausiuoju Dievu, kuris ten pavadintas Auxteios Vissagistis (šitą faktą galima būtų įtraukti, plečiant Dievas (Lithuanian god)). Neabejotinai tikri yra Perkūnas (paminėtas Lasickio net dukart, lietuviškai, ir be jokio sąryšio su pirmu paminėjimu, prūsiškai tarmiškai), Žemyna, Gabija, keli -inis eilės vardai : Ežerinis, - Aitvaras, Kaukai. Taip pat galima spėti, kad Kerpyčius ar Šilinyčius irgi gali būti kokios dvaselės kaip kad Ežerinis. O šiaip dauguma ten paminėtų vardų svarbūs gal tik tuo, kad jais naudojosi kiti mitologai savo rekonstrukcijoms. Nežinau, kiek tokios rekonstrukcijos yra pagrįstos, bet manau kad būtų daug geriau jeigu sudarytume Narbuto sąrašą, jei reikia, su atitinkamom nuorodom į Lasickį ir tt. – Žinoma, wikipedi'jai tinka viskas, tinka ir Lasickio sąrašas. Bet geriau su juo palaukti kol bus bent kiek sutvarkyta visa likusi lietuvių mitologija. Linas Lituanus 12:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a work for few months - because there are few reconstruction attempts - at least I do know Greimas, Vėlius (a bit ethnographicla) and Beresnevičius versions. Also ethnographical research sometimes seems productive. Just a minor problem - to put all these theories into comprehensive order would be at the verge of impossibility.--Lokyz 13:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Tai turbut isvada daugmaz tokia: sutvarkyti niekaip neiseis? :(
Jei nori sudeti pilna, issamia moksliniu tyrinejimu istorija, teks prasikankinti ne viena menesi, o gal ir metus. O tai jau research on its own right. Nekalbant dar apie tai, kur gauti saltinius... As po ranka tik turiu tik Beresneviciaus viena knyga. Dar galiu bandyti gauti Gimbutienes knyga, bet cia bus sudetingai. O kaip su Greimu, Velium? (beje, kas dar tokie nagrinejo sita painavyne, be Dundulienes? kiek grybauja Trinkunas, Romuvos krivis?)
Galima sudeti bobuciu pasakas, "perkunas buvo senas dedulis, kuris su zaibu velnia is po akmenu gainiojo." Bet tai, aisku, ne lygis ir mes galim geriau :)
Lasicki saraselio noreciau butent tam, kad butu galima pelus nuo grudu atrankioti. Jei atrasciau, pvz, kur nors Piziu, zinociau, kad jis is to saraselio ir ji per daug demesio kreipti nereikia. Ir siaip galvojau daryti mazdaug tokius saraselius: pagal Ipatiju tokie dievai, pagal ta anokie, pagal trecia dar tokie. Tipo saltiniu saraselis. Tada butu galima prideti komentarus, kad sitas autorius saltini interpretavo sitaip, o kitas kitaip. Ir istorinius komentarus: Ipatijus patikimas, Narbutas savo agenda turejo ir tvarke panteona kaip jam patiko, ispopuliarino tokius ir tokius vardus, Lasicki is vis nusigrybavo :) As tai matau kaip vieninteli buda kokia nors tvarka ivesti, nes skirstyti pagal kategorijas ("namu dievai, karo dievai") nepasiteisino. Dar vienas variantas, pagal abecele, manau komentaru net nereikalauja.
Tad ka manot? Kokius saltinius turit? Kokius galit gauti?
Dar vienas darbelis butu nutarti, kurie gi dievai savo asmeniniu straipsniu nusipelno... Renata 19:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Dundulienė, Greimas, Beresnevičius, Vėlius, Gimbutienė :)) - ir tai dar ne viskas. Iš esmės pirmi trys nagrinėjo būtent dievų vardus, kokie svarbiausi, kokie ne tokie svarbūs, ką reiškia kuris vardas ir tt. Dundulienė daugiau laikėsi Narbuto, o Beresnevičius Greimo. Vėlius ir Gimbutienė daugiau bandė nustatyti senovės lietuvių pasaulėžiūrą ar ką, jie ties vardais nelabai apsistodavo. Bet tai kaip sakau ne viskas. Kiek aš suprantu Mythology tai pirmiausia yra tai, ką žmonės pasakoja apie dvasinį gyvenimą ir, jei plačiau imsime, pasaulio sandarą. Savotiška vaizdais išreikšta filosofija. Bet ką mes turime mūsų mokslininkų (dar neminėjau J. Balio ir Z. Ivinskio), tai daugiau yra Religion (kai kur gal worship customs) negu Mythology. O iš tyrinėjusių gryną mitologiją, galima dar visiškai teisėtai imti Basanavičių, taip pat mūsų tautosakos instituto (dabar turbūt yra literatūros ir tautosakos, ten keitėsi) darbuotojus (pvz. Sauką, Bronislavą Kerbelytę), kurie tyrinėjo lietuvių pasakas.

Todėl ir tas sąrašas dabar tiek klausimų kelia. Jis iš pradžių buvo Lithuanian mythology dalimi, todėl sudėsčiau pagal tai kas randama iš tikrųjų mitologijos srityje (padavimuose, pasakose, dainose ir pan.) ir kas užrašyta kitame kontekste. Be to pastaruosius duomenis dar teko skirstyti į patvirtintus kelių nepriklausomų šaltinių ir abejotinus. Iš visų kito konteksto duomenų tik Ipatijaus metraščio įrašas yra pakankamai mitologiškas (ten pateiktas padavimas), visi kiti užrašai yra daugiausia apie paročius, su vardais (maždaug: garbino tą ir tą), bet nesigilinant nei į mitus nei į esmę.

Išvis, taip jau istoriškai susiklostė, kad parašyta labai daug darbų, bet niekas neparašė jokio apibendrinimo. Be to daug kas skubėjo “atkurt” religiją, nesirūpindami giliau panagrinėti pačių, padavimų, pasakų ir kt – tas trūkumas labai jaučiamas. Bet vis dėlto galima išskirti tris tyrinėjimų kryptis (1) teigimas, kad Lietuvių religija buvo primityvi aplinkinių daiktų garbinimo religija (remiamasi daugiausia Lasickiu,- Hermann Usener, iš dalies Pranė Dundulienė). (2) vienokio ar kitokiu mastu Graikų panteono taikymas lietuvių religijai ir visko aiškinimas pagal tai (Pradininkas bus be abejo Narbutt, XIX amžiuje turėjo pasekėjų gausybę, ypač tarp nelietuvių, lenkų, vokiečių autorių. (3) nagrinėjimas pagal tautosaką (tuo naudojosi daug kas, bet būtent čia darbai labiausiai padriki ir nesusiteminti – o būtent jų mums labiausiai ir reikia vardan verifiability). Ir dabar, jeigu skaitome kur nors (enciklopedijose ar panašiai) Lietuvių mitologijos aprašymą, tai paprastai būna vienas iš šitų trijų atvejų. O jeigu dar pridėsime, kad (4) daug kas išreiškė savo daugiau asmenišką supratimą, kaip atrodė senovės lietuvių pasaulėžiūra (Basanavičius, Gimbutienė, Vėlius, iš dalies ir Greimas, ir dar visa eilė mažesniu mastu), tai tikrai atrodys viskas labai supainiota.

Todėl, man atrodo taip: (4) požiūrį reikia surašyti prie atskirų autorių. Taip ir straipsniai apie atskiras asmenybes (Beresnevičių, Greimą, ir tt. ) įgis gražaus spalvingumo, kurio jiems taip trūksta. O į Lithuanian mythology įdėtume tik nuorodas Jonas Basanavičius, Marija Gimbutas ir tt. Nes jų visų asmeniniai tyrimai per sunkiai suvedami į kažką vientisa. Tuo tarpu (1) – (3) požiūrį reikia kažkaip derinti, nors ir nelengva. Labai norėčiau kad vyrautų (3), ypač kai kalbama apie mitologiją, bet čia kliūva tas nesistemingumas. (2), Narbuto požiūris, galėtų būti išdėstytas smulkiai, bet kiek atskirai (ten aiški sistema, ir nesinori, kad sudėjus su kitkuo viskas pavirstų į neišskiriamą maišalynę). Tai tokia galėtų būti bendra tvarka.

Jonas Trinkūnas kiek aš žinau jokios savo teorijos nėra sukūręs, bet surinkęs daug ką iš kitų. Šituos dalykus būtų gal geriau dėti į Romuva (church), nes iš tikrųjų Romuva ir yra didysis Trinkūno kūrinys ir jo “teorija” (jis teorijos, kiek žinau, nelabai pripažįsta, jo išpažinimas gyvi papročiai ir praktika). Tas straipsnis iš idėjos dabar nėra blogas, bet nelietuvis jo niekaip nesupras :):]:).

Atskirų straipsnių gal reikėtų apie tas dievybes, kur surašyta pirmoje dalyje. Be to, tiktų keli vardai iš Narbuto sąrašo, ypač tie, kurie turėjo atgarsių literatūroje (Milda, Nijolė, Praurimė). Žvaigždes (yra atskirai Sėlija, Žiezdrė) reikėtų surinkti į vieną atskirą straipsnį (išskyrus Aušrinę), kaip ir Ežerinius, Miškinius ir Girinius. Galimas straipsnis apie Sacred serpent (old Lithuanian religion). Nepalikime visko neišversta (kaip kad Žaltys), nes baisiai trukdo suprantamumui. Galų gale išeina visiškas klaidinimas, kai mūsų bendrinis žodis (kaip žaltys) anglų kalboje verčiamas tikriniu. − Kol kas tiek... Linas Lituanus 10:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Šiaip manau straipsnį reikia struktūrizuot pagal periodus, o ne pagal dievus. Religija (institucionalizuota)-Sinkretizmas-Liaudies tikėjimai (folkloras). Chronologiškai tai atrodytų maždaug taip: iki krikšto - po krikšto iki XVIII a ir nuo XIX a. Nes XIV a. ir XIX a. Perkūnas toli gražu nėra viena ir tas pats. Taip rūšiuojant medžiagą gautus tikslesnis ir gilesnis (atsispindėtų įvaizdžių, mitologemų evoliucija) vaizdas.Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Norėtųsi, bet kažin, ar tai yra pasiekiama. Faktiškai, viskas ką žinome apie Perkūną yra iš to paties XIX amžiaus. Visi duomenys iki tol paprastai yra ne mitologiniai o paprotiniai. Daugiausia apsiribojama tuo, kad Perkūnas buvo garbinamas ir kad jis susijęs su griausmu, perkūnija, dangumi. Tai, kas kalbama apie ankstesnius amžius yra kažkieno rekonstrukcijos. Todėl turi būti ir aiškiai pasakyta - kieno. Daryti mišinį iš visų rekonstrukcijų neaišku kokia proporcija būtų mums jėgų ir laiko švaistymas, nepaisant, kad aprašyti jas visas atskirai irgi didelis darbas. O tai kalbant apie Perkūną, kuris buvo minimas kone visų, kas apie lietuvių tikėjimą rašė (dar Gabija, kartais Šv. Ugnis, panašiai dažnai minima). Su kitais vardais iš mitologijos tuo atžvilgiu dar liūdniau. Linas Lituanus 20:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Pirmiausia, tai as nekalbu apie Lithuanian mythology straipsni. As cia tik apie dievu saraseli. Nes net neisivaizduoju nuo ko mitologija pradet rusiuot. Antriausia, as kazkaip nematau skirtumo tarp religijos ir mitologijos. Bent jau lietuviu atveju jau visas reikalas ir taip per skystas, kad butu galima kazka aiskiai atskirti ar pasakyti. Trecia, kadangi nera jokio padoresnio apibendrinimo, mes cia tokio parasyti ir negalesim. Ketvirta, ar yra koks normalesnis veikalas, kur nagrinetu dievus (o ne apskritai pasaulejauta) dainose, pasakose ir pan? Jei ne, tai tiesiog vienintele iseitis bus imtis (4) Lino ivardinto budo. Bent jau tuos saltinius turiu, ar galiu gauti. As visikai nesutinku, kad Beresneviciaus teorijos priklauso prie jo asmeninio straipsnio. Tiek labai trumpai. Renata 01:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Tie visi dalykai yra neatskiriamai susiję, bet gal aš čia ir per bendrai parašiau. Dėl religijos ir mitologijos, tai nesiūlau skirti į du straipsnius, tik, jeigu tame straipsnyje vyraus religijos dalykai, tai gali iškilti pavadinimo klausimas. - Apie sąrašą savo nuomonę parašiau. Dėl šaltinių, tai jokių ypatingų šaltinių kaip ir nėra, kurie būtų nežinomi. - Šiaip, ar gali dabar prieiti prie šito: N. Vėlius (sudar.), Baltų religijos ir mitologijos šaltiniai, 4 Vols. (Vilnius, 1996-2005). ISBN 5-420-01579-X. ? (Iš str. ;Norbertas Vėlius) Arba: N. Vėlius (sudar.), Lietuvių mitologija, 2 Vols. (Vilnius, 1995-2005). ISBN 5-417-00677-7 (Yra vėlesnis antras leidimas, ir dar papildomas tomas 2004, redaguotas jau Beresnevičiaus)? Pavarčius porą vakarų daug kas paaiškėtų. - Enciklopedijose yra apibendrinančių straipsnių, bet jie visi priklauso vienam iš trijų mano išvardintų tipų. Galėtume parašyti 3 lietuvių mitologijas , paėmę pagrindu Lasickį - Dumdulienę (tarybinės enciklopedijos) arba Narbutą (senos lenkų) arba J. Balį - Z. Ivinskį (Bostono?). Visą tą reikia kažkaip jungti. Vardų sąašo apibrėžimai irgi čia su tuo susiję!


Hi Renata, congratulations on your promotion. I have a lt translation question for you. What is a good translation for Vytis? Coat of arms of Lithuania originally had it as "the charge". I thought it meant "the chase" or "the pursuit", so I changed it to the former. It was later changed to "the chaser", and then again to "the pursuer". Appleseed (Talk) 21:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

From A. Novickas[edit]

Thanks, Renata!

I was apologizing for the comment "escaped on foot, on bicycles, or on boats" because "chose to emigrate" seemed so dry compared to the stories I heard from my parents and their friends. But I don't mind being edited. It's so exciting to be a part of this project.

I'd like to just fix grammatical errors and awkward phrasings for a while before plunging into content, so if you have any particular pages in mind, let me know. (I love editing, but my day job pays much better). You seem to be doing an amazing job! Novickas 14:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Largo, Florida Map Mar 6,1925.jpg[edit]

Hi, Renata3. I've craved this image for some time for the Timeline of Largo, Florida. Is fairuse justified? Is there a better tag? Is there a better way of stating my rationale? Or will have have to delete the thing? Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 03:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reple(short reply on fu rationale) I think I've done that adequately. Not sure Thanks :) Dlohcierekim 11:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

First article[edit]

Will you take a look at my first article? Cowarth 03:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Uh what? You weren't an admin already?? I'm sorry I missed your RfA; I would have certainly voted support. Congratulations on the new mop. :) --Fang Aili talk 20:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

More Edits[edit]

I have done extensive editing of this article the last few days. Would you please take a look at the new page? Cowarth 12:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Questions for U[edit]

Dear Renata, when a link goes nowhere in Wikipedia, do you think it's better to create a stub of some sort or to point to an external reference? Clearly, the ideal is to create not just a stub, but a nice long article, but that isnt't always realistic. Another ? - what is Wikipedia's definition of a sub or sub-stub? I haven't found that yet. Sincerely, Novickas 16:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Another question: do you have a "boilerplate" request for permission to use photos from Lithuanian sites? And do you know of any such sites that have a blanket permission? For example...I created a stub about Uzgavenes - it would be nice to include some pictures. If you could tell me that so-and-so site cheerfully allows Wikipedia to use its pictures, that would simplify things a lot. Novickas 17:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Your difficult copyright question[edit]

Hello Renata; I did my best to answer it for this particular encyclopedia on my own talk page. A general rule for Lithuanian works might be very difficult to arrive at. Any later cut-off dates might also be extremely hard to verify, because in both cases one would need to consider Soviet law, with all the known and contentious complications. So I hope that these encyclopedia articles have no authors mentioned. Lupo 08:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Lituanica tone[edit]

I think it was the sentence The encyclopedia was published by the same people who published that threw me off as a bit awkward and unencyclopedic. Other than that, you're right, there's little to be fixed there. (|-- UlTiMuS 12:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

I have added some links to the Aukštojas hill article.

Juozas Rimas 14:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) Juozas Rimas

Kruopinė Hill redirect done. Good point.

Juozas Rimas 09:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Juozas Rimas

If you have time...[edit]

Hi there,

I saw this oppose vote of yours and was wondering if you could advise me. I'm working on List of inhabited islands of Croatia and that's my first (future) FL candidate. Now, it isn't finished yet, I have to make those redlinks blue and I'll ad a nice satelite image of Croatian coast, but I don't know what else to put into the intro. So, I was wondering if you could advise me. What info should I put into the lead (I'm not asking you to write me a decent lead, just to give me some guidelines ;-) )? --Dijxtra 11:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, don't you think that all the stuff you mentioned make a good article, not a list? :-) I mean, "economy, political stuff, what role do those islands play in mainland Croatia" - those sound like article stuff, not list stuff. Regarding other points you raised, thanks a bunch, I'll work on those.
Aham. OK, I'll try to dig a sentence or two on every point you mentioned... thanks for the help! :-) --Dijxtra 15:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian encyclopedias[edit]

Updated DYK query On 3 September, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian encyclopedias, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

What a nice historical article, Renata! Enjoyed the read and the pictures were a nice addition. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 20:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Pirma, ačiū labai už ordiną Face-grin.svg. Mano nuomone, tie karai tarp Lietuvių ir Lenkų yra labai beprasmiški ir dėl to nekišau nosies (nors sekiaiu apie ką kalbos vyksta). Deja, jie paprasčiausiai bando vieni kitus apkaltinti dėl dalyku kurie ivyko praeitije, vietoj to kad bandytu išspręsti dabartines problemas. O aš maniau kad tai ne mano reikalas (nors kai prasidės balsavimas dėl Jogaila/Władysław II Jagiełło tai reikes nuomonę pareikšti). Andrius Flag of Lithuania.svg

William S. Burroughs image[edit]

Gotta love those newbie screw-ups, huh? Unfortunately the Williams2.jpg saga has resulted in the loss of the main image for the William S. Burroughs article, and due to new rules regarding biography photos I can't just reupload the earlier image of the author (which is still available on and other Wiki-mirrors). Is there any way to replace the Burroughs photo that was there before it was overwritten by the one of the soldier, or are we sunk as there appears to be no images available of Burroughs that satisfy the new fair use criteria ... we can't even use an image of his most famous novel in lieu of a photo, so I understand. 23skidoo 20:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

  • The image that was deleted was not of William S. Burroughs. Someone messed up and uploaded an image that overwrote the original picture. There had been no deletion request or controversy regarding the original image, which was uploaded a couple of years ago. The "new rules" I refer to are the tightening of fair use which has rendered it virtually impossible to upload biographical images without either having to take time and effort (unpaid time and effort I must stress) to contact copyright holders or basically personally knowing the subject and taking a photo yourself. An image of a fashion model doing her work is not allowed, a book cover for an author is not allowed, and a screenshot of an actor doing his work is not allowed. So unless someone wants to pay me to spend the time to basically play copyright lawyer (I charge $100 Cdn per hour) I'm not bothering anymore. But images that are deleted through someone else's incompetance should be simply replaced ... unfortunately it appears the Burroughs image is lost forever. 23skidoo 21:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
    • There aren't any "new rules" set out -- that's the problem. People are interpreting them willy nilly. Scroll up on my talk page and read comments regarding Glenn Ford and Kate Winslet and you'll find a link to a discussion that pretty well sets it out. Anyway, it's my turn to be confused because I never saw anything being posted to William S. Burroughs about the image of Burroughs not being appropriate. I think we're talking about different images. The one you deleted is an image of an 1800s painting of some general which was uploaded a few days ago as "Williams2.jpg". The image I'm talking about is a photograph of the Beat Generation author which was uploaded about 2 years ago and is a black and white photo. You can see the photo on the mirror of the WSB page here. If there was a discussion regarding this particular image, I missed it even though I have WSB on my watchlist. I have no idea who the guy in the soldier painting is. 23skidoo 22:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
      • What's weird is the color image of the soldier began appearing on the WSB page. Obviously the filename must have been the same. Maybe someone put the William2 image in there to be snarky. In any event as I stated above I really don't care anymore. I am of the opinion that Wikipedia is only a few months away from banning images altogether, and it's not worth my time to go hunting for one that meets the finicky standards of a few. In fact I was at one point planning to remove all 1000+ images that I have uploaded (of all types) from every article that I have contributed to. However that apparently is considered vandalism so I won't. I am however intending to resign as an administrator because I do not support the culture of copyright paranoia that has arisen here. That's not to say I support blatant copyright violation -- I regularly delete lyrics and copyvios from articles and I also agree that the use of images in certain contexts is inappropriate (the old "using an album cover with a rose on it to illustrate an article on roses" argument). However there is no need to prohibit illusrations of a person's work, whether that be an actor in a film or the cover of a book by an author. And despite repeated requests, no one seems willing (or able) to tell me how these sorts of uses in any way affect the commercial viability of anyone's copyright. 23skidoo 05:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This is an unrelated issue, however it's another example of how Wikipedia is inconsistent. It has been decided that when it comes to categories "Films by actor" (i.e. Category:Humphrey Bogart films) are not allowed, however identical categories regarding book authors are OK. See, for example, the defeated CFD here . It clearly shows that people are just interpreting the rules willy nilly as they see fit. On the plus side, I now have a precedent for arguing to keep Film by actor categories. But you see, this is the same sort of thing plaguing fair use and the overall use of images. If you check the licence tag for film screenshots it clearly states that screenshots can be used to illustrate "a film or its contents". Going by the dictionary definition "contents" includes the actors; yet in the arguments related to Glenn Ford and Kate Winslet I referenced earlier, people are choosing to interpret "contents" differently -- or ignore this altogether with statements like "well, that shouldn't be there". No one will give me a definition of what "contents" means under fair use. People are making up the rules as they go along and it's getting harder to support Wikipedia as a result. 23skidoo 17:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Mykolas Sleževičius[edit]

Dear Renata: I made some copy-edits to the above page. If you see a problem with it, let me know. Whew, the Polish-Lithuanian conflict is getting hairy! But please carry on your wonderful work. Yes, it's political, but politics is the highest and best human endeavor. Novickas 19:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

List of temples of the CJC of LDS[edit]

Several months ago you kindly respond with some comments on List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints preparation for submission as a featured list. Would you mind reviewing the progress - I think the only thing lacking is that each row does not yet have a picture. However, since pictures aren't required, I think it is ready for review. TIA --Trödel 01:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Michael Sieben[edit]

Seriously, dude. Do you really wander around Wikipedia all day just to find something some kid in Michigan wrote so you can delete it? Sieben is co-owner of an extremely successful skate company, his artwork is sold in some form in just about every skate and bike shop in the country, and he's been featured in many art and skate magazines, not to mention the magazines he writes and distributes himself. How is he not notable? Someone will want to know about him! I wrote the article because i did! Honestly, you think something is unknown because you don't know about it? You think you know everything that's worth knowing? People like you make this site a lot less fun than it could be. --kphaneuf December 2006

Deletion of Percy Norton[edit]

No offence, maybe you should check Notability article yourself. It clearly states 'Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion.', so you should of consulted me before deletion or started an adf not just delete it without any note. He has won many awards and toured the entire Australian Countryside in his epic tour in 2004, also he is played on the radio here constantly, especially by ABC's Triple J. However I understand your concern, and will take it into consideration, if I decide to create the article again, but I will probably do this far into the future as time is of the esscence. By the way, please accept my apology and correct me, if the line I quoted dosn't apply to this article situation. --Smallcucumber 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Lithuania 1219-1377[edit]

Dear Renate: have begun copyediting this. Hope to finish by tonight. I already have one question: the first paragraph states that "the empire reached ALMOST to the Black Sea", but the map definitely shows the Black Sea within the territory. Including Kiev.

Novickas 13:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting a map that shows territory in 1377? If not, the opening paragraph could be reworded.. something like "the groundwork was laid for an empire that would by 1400 reach to the Black Sea". Then the picture caption could be a little reworded and it would still be appropriate for the piece. I like the piece, by the way. Always had trouble with that part of the history and it's now making more sense.
Taking a break now; edited all but the last 3 paragraphs, cause they seemed not quite ready. After a break maybe more questions will occur, fresh eyes and all that. Hope you're not in a terrible hurry. Talk later - Novickas 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, some more questions. What are long coins? Were they really not round? Re "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes" that the Teutonic Knights? In general.. I think it would be better if the orders were always named. Novickas 20:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC) PS a timeline would be really nice - you know, a table of dates and their corresponding events.
more questions: Line that begins "In 1248, Mindaugas sent his nephews Tautvilas and Edivydas, the sons of Dausprungas and Vykintas," .. if Edivydas was Mindaugas' nephew, then Vykintas was Mindaugas' brother or brother-in-law?
Line that begins "in 1212, Daugirutis' treaty with Navahradak" needs some clarification as to who Daugirutis was - a duke of Samogitia?
Needs a little more explananation about "bribing Andreas von Stierland" - the text in the footnote "jei bus nužudytas Tautvila" could be translated something like " arrange Tautvila's murder". Shocking allegation.
Line with "attacked Courland, as the order had limited battlefield successes" would that be "The Brethren of the Sword"? that is what the Courland link suggests.
Line with "expressed the wish to marry Daumantas' wife" - Daumantas has not been mentioned before; could we say "Duke Daumantas" or "the wife of Daumantas, the Duke of x".
the long coins picture is really cool, any chance it could be included? Novickas 12:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Aciu for the award. I promise that I intend to continue to expanding articles in the future and I wouldn’t be derailed from this patch very easily. Thanks again M.K. 09:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool down[edit]

Dear Renata. I sincerly hope your message on conflict resolution and deletion of your user page don't mean you are quiting this project. The informal mediation which I tried was just the begining of a proper WP:DR. I have seen tougher issues dealth with, and although I may not see 100% eye to eye with it, please, don't leave us. We need editors like you to stay and be the voice of sanity to the rest of us.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


September 12/18 are truly said days for Wikipedia. :-( Take a break, and recall the advice you once gave me: breathe and relax, and above all, remember your special training ;-) I hope you do come back. (Sorry for not noticing earlier.) Lupo 08:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not another one... How many good editors are we going to lose this week? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 08:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that Renata's edits do not appear on my watchlist anymore:( That sounds like a big loss to all of Wikipedia. I hope you'll rethink your position after some time, although cannot say, that I didn't have similar thoughts about leaving more than once.--Lokyz 12:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sad too. You welcomed me to Wikipedia! (And I just assumed then that you were an admin.) I understand the feeling of "enough is enough", though. Perhaps after a break you'll come back. I'll be thinking about you. --Fang Aili talk 15:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


This is truly surprise to me that Renata is leaving. If this is due to personal life, well, we all facing setbacks and gains in our personal life and actually this is a beauty of life – it keeps as strong and prepares for future challenges. Actually this is human nature and destiny, sometimes we can not avoid or change our destiny, but we can meet it with dignity, with risen head and with the clear mind – yes it is hard, but I wouldn’t give up and will go, I will go on!!!!

If it’s due to wikipedia developments, everything is possible and could be solved any problem, sooner or later. If this is a case – take a short break, but don’t leave us! You simply can’t do this!

And remember, Renata, when you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on…

By signing below editors from all the Wikipedia asking you, Renata, to stay:

  1. M.K. 09:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  2. User:Novickas 12:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  3. Andrius 15:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC) (You musn't go!)
  4. Please come back and stay! Juraune 05:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


For God's sake don't be so melodramatic - petitions, sighs, obituaries. C'mon. She's an adult, she knows what she's doing. And, boy, that Airing of Grievances by Renata was great. I could only dream, that some will follow her example one day and will let the grievances out in one go, instead of dragging their egotistic traumas for ages from one Talk-page to another. If she decides to quit this S/M scene, that's great. Go girl, there is more to life than Wiki. Run like a hell and never look back. But she will be back in one form, or another - as admin, or anonymous just browsing passerby, it does not matter. See ya Renata. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is actually true. Renata's candidness in her farewell "speech" is rarely seen in this place. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 20:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear petitioners. Please save your pleas. Renata will be back. Sometimes Wikibreaks are needed. Let her have hers. She will come back rested and determined to save Lithuanian history from the foreign nationalist revisionism :). No irony here. Who else? Cheers all! --Irpen 06:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Loosing Renata for this project actually does matter, but I respect any decision, she choses to make. Renata, you have done a lot of good things here, do now, what serves you best. Best regards, --Gf1961 19:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Regardless if you decide to return or not, I want you to know that your contributions have been appreciated, Renata. I personally have found your .ogg recordings quite useful in learning the pronunciation of Lithuanian. Olessi 20:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


A few words from you would be so welcome. Just let us know you're OK. Novickas 22:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm she's doing fine. However, I got the impression she'd rather like not to be disturbed at the moment. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Novickas 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter[edit]

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New section[edit]

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RE: Reward Board-- Lithuania[edit]

Hi Reneta. I saw your post on the RB and figured I'd take a whack at it. I just wanted to make sure everything you said on there is up to date, as I think that post has been up there for a while. Anyway, I am thinking about doing either Politics- , Foreign relations- , or Flag- of Lithuania. I havn't decided yet. Also, why is User:Creidieki's name also on the post? Thanks for the opportunity. JARED(t)  13:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


Glad to see you back, Renata. Take as much time as you need. Cheers, Olessi 01:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So am I. Take. --Gf1961 02:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 09:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
*smile* -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Yay, you're back! Wink.png Andrius 18:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Welcome back! What a great quote. Novickas 23:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Map data source for district maps[edit]

I was wondering if you could tell me the source of the data you used to create the district maps. I would appreciate it. Respond at my talk page. Peter O. (Talk) 07:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Saulius Mikoliūnas PoB[edit]

Hi Renata. The site was this [8], which has usually been very reliable for such information. I was concerned when Šviesa did not show up on the List of cities in lithuania page but assumed it may have been a village or hamlet.

If you know of no such place I will remove it. From the same site, you may also be able to tell me whether Klaipėdoje should be Klaipėda, if it is a seperate settlement, or even annother error. Thanks Caledonian Place 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:FLC/List of DanceSport dances[edit]

I've added two paragraphs of prose to the list as requested; please let me know what you think. --Spangineeres (háblame) 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of calypso-like genres[edit]

Hey, I think I've addressed your concerns as best I can. Various changes, citations, etc. Let me know if there's anything further you wish to comment on. Tuf-Kat 01:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


I think that this is nor true. In the last century the 90% of the years have had changes. And in the past there was lots and lots of more changes. There is no other side in Wikipedia able to have a map for each year as has been requested. The political geography is changing each year. Excuse my English level. Sobirà 18:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I see absolutly impossible to put in a single page all the changes of all the hundreds and hundreds of German, Greek, Italian or Arabic sovereign states. Sobirà 18:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If there are statics years, redirections exists. It's absolutly impossible to have an idea of what exactly exists in a year with only a list of what appear and disappear. Sobirà 18:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

List of sovereign states in 1990[edit]

Could you please complete the afd nom of List of sovereign states in 1990? No rationale for deletion was given so far. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sovereign states in xxxx so I fixed it. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 16:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sweden international footballers/archive1[edit]

Hi, I've answered your objection on the FLC above, and would like to get further input from you. :) – Elisson TC 17:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Durniu laivas[edit]

Na siandien tai nervai neislaike :) Turgaus pasikoliojimai turi tokia ypatybe, kad ramiai pro juos praeiti gan sunku. Ziuresim, kuom cia pasibaigs. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 16:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Del subkulturu. Gerai atstatyk, reiketu pabaigt. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 11:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a chat[edit]

Labas - as you see, I haven't really let go! I was involved in editing Giedrus Subacius' book about The Jungle. The section about the Title Metaphor - needs some work, but I think it's worth keeping.

Hope you don't mind if I chat a little here. While thinking over the issues involved in being a Wikipedian, some incidents came to mind. At the scientific institution where I work we have, at times over the years, hired Eastern European, Central European, and Russian analysts - they brought diverse viewpoints; they had publications to their credit; their English was pretty good. Then, during meetings, they would disagree with their co-workers by saying: "No. This is not how it works. Not at all. We need to do it this way." Awkward silence.

Fast-forward ten years. Now the same people present their viewpoints at meetings in this way: "There are, embedded within this analysis, a number of assumptions about economic growth in x, y and z sectors; there are also assumptions regarding the useful life of hydroelectric powerplants; how difficult would it be to incorporate these assumptions into a series of variables?" Thoughtful expressions; nods; scribbling on notepads.

That's a big difference. It's evolution. Now we can have a discussion. Flora Lewis wrote a book ("Europe") in the 1980s about the European intellectual style - it was, and clearly still is, extremely confrontational. Opinions must be presented very strongly; to do otherwise would imply weakness.

Wikipedia is clearly another manifestation of this kind of evolution. And Wikipedia-addiction is the same addiction as a parent has to his or her child: faith in its future. Let's fast-forward ten years from now: you'll be one of those rare people, like Adamkus, who has both feet solidly planted on either side of the Atlantic. You have a bright future. Consult any gypsy you meet in Manhattan for verification and see if they don't agree!Novickas 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

So you are another casualty of the PL-LT wars, so many years later! One of the problems his talkwith it (here in the US) is that most Americans, when you try to explain it to them, scratch their heads trying to think of an analogous situation they can relate to. They're, like, "Polish, Lithuanian, what's the difference? What's the problem?" Of course we have our own serious divisions but they don't really map the same way. Hey, carry on anyway, it's a worthy cause, and a lot of Wikipedians think a lot of you. Novickas 15:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography stubs[edit]

Hi Renata, I'm working on the geography stubs. Where did the location maps in the city pages come from? It would be nice to have similar location maps for the other places. Novickas 11:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I left a message on User_talk:Knutux, but he doesn't seem to have been active since January, so no high hopes there...

Novickas 14:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


Tournesol.png Special thanks
for a timely e-mail long ago (I frequently remember the "special training" :-), for a very nice barnstar, and generally for being around. Thank you! Lupo 14:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka[edit]

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate your comments, am still in support of the Wikipedia project, and will continue to contribute without interruption. Thanks again! --Elonka 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Logos on userpage[edit]

Removed, and thanks for the tips on best link format. That will teach me to play with the controversial gallery tag! --Steve 03:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


Labas, gal galetum pakonsultuoti User:Nercury copyrighto klausimais. Reiketu ideti i Wiki koki nors Saukos paveiksla, bet bijau kad su autorinem teisem cia gana sudetinga butu. As manau, kad paprasciausia butu ideti knygos virseli, tam jau yra tag'as. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 04:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


Long time no see. Thanks for grammar correction, I am horrible with all those a and the... Glad you are still around and involved in some many different things. Renata 03:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Arg, excuse edit summary for previous edit. It was upposed to be hi Blush.png Renata 03:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hehe. By the way, I like your emoticon (the blushing face). I've been collecting those (as you can see), and have added that one to my collection. Do you know of any more?  The Transhumanist   11:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Try commons:Category:Smilies :) Renata 11:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Cool. You've doubled the size of my collection! Thanks! Take a look...  The Transhumanist   00:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


But what if section "Hell in fine arts" is created? It's valid illustration then. Or not?Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You deleted my article[edit]

I worked my ass off to create an article on the Legislative Palace and you just deleted it [9]. Wesborland 22:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Why does article HWE require cleanup?[edit]

Why does my article require cleanup? Will it be deleted? I hope not as I spent hours working on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerbocs (talkcontribs)


Thank you for information. I am sure it will be useful, as I am completely new here. Still, practice makes perfect, isn't it?


It was me, sorry: --timmulis 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Renata, what is going on when you are editing a page in Wikipedia, and cannot save or even preview it - an arrow with north and south points appears? Once or twice I've had "editing conflict" messages appear but not in this case...

Also, for your amusement, a bulletin from the University of Chicago - they are playing a game in the lounges every day that goes like this: someone shouts out one word, say "marshmallow", and someone shouts out another one, say "Milton Friedman" - then you must go from one site to the other in as short a time as possible using only Wikipedia links (people are sitting in there with their laptops) Glory is the only reward. When someone shouts they got there, people gather around and watch the sequence of links. Well, maybe you already knew about this, but I didn't. Cool huh? Sincerely, Novickas 21:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just wondering why you deleted the "List of Famous Redheads."

Question - Žirmūnai - occasionally it says "Attention: this page is 38 kilobytes long" or something like that - is there a quick and easy way to determine character count in WIkipedia? Novickas 20:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to hear that there isn't any hard-and-fast limit on article size. Hope your exams went well :) Novickas 20:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment System[edit]

Hi - I just wanted to that you for producing the assessment page for the Lithuania wikiproject. I just had to copy some of the text for wikiproject beekeeping (my new one ;)). I expect the text will evolve over time, but just wanted to let you know - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Martinp23 00:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
For your hard work and dedication to improving Wikipedia, I, Sharkface217, hereby award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

You've award quite a few barnstars in your time (almost as many as me, which is saying something ^_~), and you have gone quite a while without being formally recognized. Cheers. Sharkface217 20:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

RfC Halibutt[edit]

Probably you will be interested in this: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Halibutt M.K. 23:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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my article on the Wireless Audio Gesture[edit]

why did you delete this article?

it took me a while to put that article up and you just ripped it down without even giving me a chance to copy the information down so that i could possibly put up an edited version.

why was it deleted?

my article: Wireless Audio Gesture

based off product by

Dfritter4 03:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

New article[edit]

Renata, when you get a chance, could you look at National symbols of lithuania ? It's new and under construction - was hoping you could tell me if I'm missing anything of importance, and if you have any organizational notions? Novickas 02:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Novickas 15:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like that rupintojelis - he watches over my aunt's grave (I never got to meet her) so it has special meaning for me. Don't worry, I will clean the article up soon - just wanted to bounce ideas around. I actually have some free time today :) Sorry to hear that you don't think much of Kukutis. When I was looking up national symbols there was a designation of folk heroes, also for tricksters so thought it would be good to put them in. The devil is usually the trickster (add ref to Devil Museum in Kaunas). Again, thanks for the input, and not to worry, the article doesn't link to anything yet. Will also ask Lokyz and MK for input. Have a good day Novickas 16:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again, I got busy with work, but really plan to have it done by the end of the weekend...Novickas 21:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

So..I fixed it up quite a bit. Only remaining problem is finding image of the 6-sided cross. Hope you like it. Novickas 15:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Clock's running[edit]

1 second? No, 120,000 seconds, and still counting. Gene Nygaard 03:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

That last entry in Category:Villages and municipalities in Púchov District still hasn't migrated up. 1 second, you said. Gene Nygaard 04:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow! 1.01 seconds! Mark me down as duly impressed, even if it was a little over 10,000 seconds after you logged on and found you had this talk page message waiting.
However, even though you fixed that one, there is still Lúky, created by the same editor, out of place in the same category. And about a zillion more by the same editor in other categories. There is, fortunately, some cause to believe that he will start fixing them, though I'll have to see some results before getting my hopes up.
Then, on top of everything else, somebody has to run around cleaning up after other careless editors who move pages [10] [11] [12] [13] without checking how they are sorted and adding the proper sort keys if necessary and add categories [14] without adding the proper sort keys. Sometimes it isn't a real big problem because, so far at least, it doesn't end up out of place in the category listing as it stands. But in other cases, it is quite material.
Anyway, according to my calculations, at 1.01 seconds a crack, you ought to be done cleaning up after yourself in about 8 min 52.27 s. Is that a good, ballpark figure at least? Let me know when to start the clock.
Since you are so quick, maybe you'd then have lots of time to help out the other people who have been hiding Lithuania-related items from view as well. Gene Nygaard 02:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Access to[edit]

Hello, Renata - I know you're taking a Wikibreak, but when you have a chance, could you see if you can access the following link:

Vilnius City Municipality

I haven't been able to access it (or anything on for a month or so. M.K. suggested that I try it with an updated version of Internet Explorer, but I don't want to do that since IE gives me more trouble than I think it's worth. I use Netscape and Firefox and get the same error message on both: "The connection has timed out". M.K. and others don't have a problem. Just to get a reality check on the issue. Sincerely, Novickas 21:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It takes about 10 seconds to load for me (on a broadband link), which is rather long for a 258kB GIF. But it shows up fine here. Lupo 14:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Cite tags[edit]

I hate to be a bother, but how does one use the citation tages to cite encyclopedias? I'm not entirely clear on this. I'm trying to work in your suggestions - some with more effect than others: I've not yet hit on a good way to remove the self-referentiality of the Women Opera Composers section without venturing dangerously into seeming POV, or understating their importance. Still, I fixed the minor problems (Explaining Peri wrote both Daphne and Euridice, moving the notes on construction to the reference section - does that seem a reasonable fix to you? - and so on.) If you can help me figure out the citation tags for the Encyclopædia articles- and I am sorry to be a bother - I'll and we others should be able to fix the rest. Adam Cuerden talk 08:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured list candidate[edit]

I've replied to your comment on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Saskatchewan general elections. Tompw 15:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of fictional books[edit]

Hi Renata3 -- you were kind enough to take the time to respond to the Featured List nomination for List of fictional books. It failed to make the cut pretty resoundingly, so it's been subbed for a peer review. Any detailed comments or suggestions you'd care to offer would be welcome at it's peer review section, particularly a little more explanation of your comment about it needing more references. Thanks! --Bookgrrl 19:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


Your campaign for censorship got a strong head start. I dont blame you, as it's the guy below who is adding fuel to the fire. Friends? :) Think twice when you give weight to what may be insinuations. Truthseeker 85.5 20:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

With this unappologetic response, I think a longer ban is in order. --Irpen 20:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's the one vying for head of the censorship department lately. Mind your own business a little more, Irpin. Truthseeker 85.5 21:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
My dear friend. As it has been ruled by the courts, Freedom of Speech does not extend to protection of ethnic slurs and hate speech whose propagation brought about your ban. Besides, nothing could stop you from using one of your socks. So, you were not really censored. Last but not least, you could take your grievances to your talk page which was not protected. I think Renata was too lenient. But be sure that unless you change your behavior, the next block will be permanent. --Irpen 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Insinuations and wishful thinking. The almighty King Solomon of Wikipedia, almost. I think people have been too lenient in scrutinizing your smear campaign, giving Irpin a sense of some king of megalomania. This is not Renata's fault, but a consequence of the lack of disciplinary action in your case (long overdue), an institution you so vehemently attack, counting on the ignorant unsuspicion of a few to abuse against other users. Soon, you wont be fooling anyone any longer, Irpin, so watch it (take my good-spirited advice). Truthseeker 85.5 21:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I second Irpen about a longer ban. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 22:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Grafikm, please dont hurt your credibility by seconding insinuations and demands based on pure (ideological? ethnic?) hate. Or are you deliberately adding fuel to the fire and beating the drums? That's not what Wikipedia is about. Truthseeker 85.5 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
You were blocked for stalking, warn removal, revert warring and generally disruptive attitude. When back, your first edit was to insult an admin by making attacks about censorship. Maybe it's time you read WP:NOT and learn that WP is not a political tribune for you to use. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 22:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of major opera composers[edit]

I'm afraid in this specific case, I wasn't able to get the citation tags to work. See here, where I had cited up the second batch of references: The co-author section had to be hacked as it didn't manage it in the case where there is only one co-author cleanly, and the books with only editors broke the template in ugly ways. I think the citation templates, sadly, need a bit more work, although I was able to use them without problems in W. S. Gilbert.

That aside, do you think your other problems have been dealt with? If the lead isn't long enough, do you have any suggestions to what it should include but doesn't? Adam Cuerden talk 00:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. I've used the tags as far as seemed possible. Do you think your objections have been dealt with? Adam Cuerden talk 10:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Metal Gear Solid characters[edit]

Hey, I think all your bojections have been seen to at its FLC. Do you have any other issues?

†he Bread 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Image Copyright[edit]

Thank you for informing me of the image copyright issue...Unfortunately I, well, do not have any idea how to add any of that, as I'm entirely and completely unfamiliar with how to use Wikipedia in any advanced sense, I have found both where I got the image from, which is in fact a pornographic site that I chose for it's non-graphic yet real life depiction, and this - Which I found at the bottom of said site, I'm not entirely sure what to do from here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revrant (talkcontribs) 06:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC).


Sorry about that . . . I asked another admin about that yesterday, and I thought he said yes you do, though I see I've misinterpreted his answer. Sorry again. -WarthogDemon 04:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Lithuania-related article bounty[edit]

Does Flag of Lithuania count? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Since it is does, I am working on it now. The only question I have is this: what is the Pantone colors of the flag. I have the software to pick the Pantone colors, but I need to know what they are first before I make a new image of the flag. Plus, I have books from the former USSR, so I will probably redraw the Lithuanian SSR flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
By the grace of God, I found a Lithuanian flag made in the 1980's inside my closet. I compared the colors and I made the flag according to what I have. I am going to make other images too using Inkscape. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, I need help translating [15]. The State Flag is pretty new, so I figured we should try to introduce it to the world. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Whenever you, and others, feel like it, can you see if I missed any days at Flag_of_Lithuania#National_flag_days. I wrote down all of the ones specified in law, but I notice lt:Lietuvos vėliava has more days listed. Thanks again for letting me do this and I hope that this article is heading in the right direction. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, the article is at peer review now. Now, it is just sitting and waiting time. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 23:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Peer review is done, FAC has commenced. Now, the waiting game commences. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Šiauliai International Airport[edit]

Hi Renata, would you object, if I cleaned this and other Lithuanian airports from the misspellings and miltary slang (??) denominations ? Best regards. --Gf1961 11:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

There might be a hidden sense, I might fail to understand. Skyaulyay, Syaulyay, and Zokniai. While the first two are most certainly rubbish, the third might have local relevance. -- 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cheers ;)[edit]

Nearly back, but need to finish my mock exams first (they finish on Tuesday) :D In fact, my Geography exam is in an hour, so I should revise some more Confused-tpvgames.png And I was going to ask about sport in Vilnius but I see there is already a section for it in the sandbox. Also - maybe something about entertainment? Theatres and clubs and things like that? Andrius 12:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Cite web[edit]

Hi, Renata! Haven't spoken to you in a while; hope you are doing fine.

The reason I am contacting you is the fact that I am thinking about soon nominating one of the lists of mine for WP:FL. Having done some homework on what is generally asked of the candidate lists, I noticed you popping here and there periodically requesting people use {{cite web}} to format references. I have nothing against cite web (except that I've never used it before), so I would like to use it in my list as well. Problem is, just look at the references used. I am not sure how to fit two language data bits for each template field; plus, the OKATO reference uses a template (because without it I would have to manually change several dozen reference instances every time an amendment comes out). Your advice on how to best handle this situation would thus be very much appreciated. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I want to ask in this field too. Does {{cite web}} have something similar to ref name=, to avoid repetition of same webs? M.K. 11:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Renata! Thank you very much for your detailed analysis and write-up. I just have a few follow-up questions, if you don't mind.
  1. Lead is way way too short. I was expecting this one to come up. The reason why it is too short is because when I submitted an earlier version for peer review, the lead was said to be... too long. So, I carved most of the former lead into a separate section (#Administrative division structure), which left the lead with only one introductory sentence. If you have any suggestions as to what you would like to see in the lead, I'm sure going to appreciate hearing them! It's not that I cannot come up with anything, it's just that whatever I come up with seems to duplicate information already more appropriately placed in other articles.
  2. Ref tags are supposed to be placed after dots, commas, brackets, etc. Will fix, although I am not sure if this applies to the colon in "As of 2006:" segment of the navbox.
  3. According to the manual of style the headings should not contain the wikilinks. As a matter of fact, the MOS imperative is not that rigid. The precise wording is "[a]s a general rule, do not put links in any section title" (emphasis mine), which, to me at least, suggests that in certain circumstances linking from section titles is allowed. The reason why I am hesitant to unlink the titles here is pretty much the same why I am having trouble coming up with a longer lead—whatever information I can put in section intros would simply duplicate that available in the actual district articles, and if you look at what is currently in the district stubs, you'll see that they contain very limited amount of information. Trust me, it's not because I am lazy to expand them, it's because it is very hard to find more, even in Russian. Adygea as a whole is covered very poorly in the world, and I am not aware of any single editor from that republic who'd be able to help (did you know that Wikipedia does not even have an edition in the Adyghe language?) Of course, if you have ideas for section intros, I'd be happy to hear them out, otherwise I don't see linked section titles as a problem.
  4. "Administrative division structure" section could do with more background info, especially on differences in rural settlements. There are no differences in the status of rural settlements—they all belong to the same group and are called differently purely for historical reasons. I'll add a sentence to that effect, because I agree that it's not immediately clear. What is the other kind of background info you would expect to find in this list? To me it looks pretty complete, and there are links pointing to articles explaining each particular term, although I've been working on this list for so long that I may not see something that's obvious to a fresh reader such as yourself.
  5. Cite web. Thanks for the tips and explanations; those were very helpful. I'll play around with this later this week and will let you know when there is anything new to review.
Again, thank you for your helpful comments! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I had particular situation in mind - when same web is used in several different locations do you always have to post the same syntax as described in cite web. Maybe there are some shorten syntax ? M.K. 23:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Renata! I have (hopefully) addressed most of your concerns about that list; could you, please, take a fresh look at it? I formatted all web references using cite web, except the one with OKATO, which I left untouched. The reason is that I can't really figure out how to fit this reference into the cite web format. Not only the wikilink is lost when cite web is used, but I am also unable to use the parameter from inside cite web, and, since OKATO is several hundred pages long, pointing readers to the right section is quite important.

My other concern is that cite web italicized Cyrillic text—something that's against style guidelines. I can't think of a way to fix that besides substituting the template and editing italics out manually, which would probably defeat the purpose of using cite web in the first place.

Finally, I have reviewed a few other featured lists similar to this one to get ideas for a longer lead. It seems, however, that they all contain information on the number of subdivisions, but in case of this list these numbers are available via the infobox, which, I think, summarizes the stats more efficiently than plain text would. Please let me know if this is sufficient for you.

Any other feedback or concerns you might still have will also be greatly appreciated. Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Unjustified move[edit]

Renata, can you restore Demetrius I Starszy article name? It was renamed to Demetrius I Starszij by RobotF with no justification. Orionus 11:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

XMAS gift[edit]

Did I say it comes with a warranty? :) Sure, I added it - for what it's worth :) Merry XMAS! -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


Thanks — I knew it wasn't quite right. You don't expect a stupid American to understand inflections, do you?

So, Linksmų šv. Kalėdų to you, too! Sca 14:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you unblock mee ??[edit]

I've created User:Kyle_the_bot on en: and you've blocked him ?! Can you unblocked him please ? This is a bot account (and he is already on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_bot and one of the best bot, see editcount). You can trust me (and my bot) i'm an sysop too (on fr: fr:User:Kyle_the_hacker), plz unblock 21:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I wanted to confirm that it was you who requested unblock on my English talk page. Could you reply here? Thanks. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:40 (CET)
It's me ;o) 08:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, unblocked. Good luck. Renata3 28 décembre 2006 à 09:51 (CET)
Thx 08:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

re Krishami speedy delete[edit]

I presume the criteria should have been patent nonsense and possibly unnoteworthy. This may have been my six or seventh speedydelete request - I am not by nature a deletionist - so I want to get it right when I do call for the axe. Thanks for your comments. LessHeard vanU 22:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Labas ir Aciu[edit]

Thank for your message on my talk page. Since a few month already I am contributing on the french wiki where (amongst other topics) I try to improve the pages related to Lithuania (user fr:Jmnil). My link to LT is my wife who comes from Kaunas (ok my daughter too but she is also 50% french). If you need any help or french stuff related to LT, or if you need pictures from LT don't hesitate. Linksmų Švenčių (I am leaving now to spend new year's eve in Kaunas) Jmnil 15:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lithuania Minor[edit]

It seems, that wikipedia has become too small for your ambitions. It's a very weird etno region, I have to admin, but ... :-> Best regards, --Gf1961 15:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ISBN Corrections[edit]

Hi Renata, I am one of many folks assisting in the resolution of ISBN cataloging errors. This has been an ongoing project for a long time now in preparation of the transition to 13 digit ISBN's. A special bot was developed with routines embedded that would ensure that the move to 13 digit ISBN's would be seamless. (Well, at least that was the plan). Sadly, the powers to be who run the ISBN process decided to renumber ALL books in existence. This have created a real mess, in my humble opinion. Be that what it may, our little bot has been going through the entire Wiki system measuring isbn's for various degrees of error ie; too long, too short, etc. Them folks like myself *attempt* to research the books in question and attempt to resolve the errors. Please use shortcut Cat:invalid and read the effort to date. We have over 2000 errors to look at. Please take heart, you are the first person who has questioned my efforts and flag notes that have identified isbn's that are in error. Rich Farmbrough, is the team leader and the gent who created the bot for this effort. I have a number of research locations to use to find correct ISBN's. In some cases, my tools fail me and I then leave a flag note for others who are involved in this effort to continue the search. In your case, I was unable to locate either the author or the book. If you have the book in question and the isbn that you used is so cited then we need to pass this information over to Rich. There may well be a perfectly good reason for why this happened. I had this happen with 6 books that were over 25 years in publish. Rich will better understand what has happened. I hope this clears this up somewhat.Ekotkie 18:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

I didn't quite know where to put this, but I found the book at Libis [16], and then using the correct ISBN found it at the Library of Congress [17]. Hopefully, this will clear things up. Andrius 19:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't teamwork great? Thanks a lot. It is even better when Wiki gets the interest of a young person.I tip my hat.Ekotkie 20:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for such a detailed response! I know about the ISBN mess. And it was my bad... I mistyped the ISBN. I just was in a hurry and did not notice the message left by the bot. so I decided to ask you what's wrong with the book because I have it right on my desk. But everything is corrected now. Your work is very much appreciated, and I hope you will continue. Renata 19:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
In the bulk of ISBN's that I have corrected, the typical error is a leading or trailing number has been dropped. Sometimes something has gotten transposed. It is a time consuming task but when people see correct information being presented to the public, then everyones work effort is worth it. Thanks for re-checking for that typo.Ekotkie 20:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


I don't know - try asking at WP:PWNB; my gut feeling is 'merge'.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

With Love (song)[edit]

Hi. I just thought you should know that I nominated With Love and With Love (song) for deletion because neither of them were referenced and the single release was not confirmed at that time, but quite recently it has been announced; that assertion was referenced in the article, so it may not have qualified as a "substantially identical copy". Anyway, after you deleted it the last time, somebody created another article on the same subject under the same title, and no disrespect to the creator but it's lacking the reference, infobox, categories etc. that the now-deleted version had. So I was wondering if you could undelete the edit history (either some or all of it) so that the cleaner version can be reverted to? Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 00:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Untagged image[edit]

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Did you get the pic I emailed to you 12/29? Care to guess the location? Sca 15:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, when you have a minute, maybe you'd take a look at the question left by Beaumont at Talk:Krajowcy ? I don't know what to answer. Happy New Year to you ! --Lysytalk 15:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

An article which you started, Aušra, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On December 30, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aušra, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 17:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Black Scrolls Magazine deletion[edit]

Hi I would like to state the case for the Black Scrolls Magazine, which you deleted. Your reason - non-notable due to erratic releases. It is true it has erratic releases, but it is an extremely popular release with thousands of fans. It is still in production so it is an on-going concern. The wiki page is in development, so it will eventually become detailed and an excellent resource of facts on the magazine, not the 500 words you read. There are other Dr Who fanzines, prozines and magazines on wikipedia, so it should most certainly have a place. Please reconsider - and post your reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability. There were no and still are no indications of notability. To the contrary, there are indications of non-notability (like 8 issues in 12 years or "it is still in production"). Merely the fact "it does exist!" is not sufficient for something to have an entry in Wikipedia. Renata 12:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Cite web[edit]

Hi, Renata! With all the traffic to your talk page, I am not sure whether you got to see my comments before you archived the thread. I apologize if you did and just decided to reply after the holidays (which is perfectly fine). Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again, Renata! Here are my counter-comments:
  1. Lead. I don't really think that history would belong in the lead (especially considering that the whole History section is rather spotty), but adding basic information about the republic might be a good idea. I'll try it that way first.
  2. Ref tags. OK.
  3. Links in headings. I am not against duplication myself. What bothers me is complete duplication, which is what is going to happen, because the articles on districts contain little more than that same basic information you want to see in the section leads and in subsequent composition tables. Anyway, I though of different ways of dealing with section leads, and thought that information on when each particular district was established would have been perfect for that role. The unfortunate fact is that I am unable to find that information (no surprise, really). I even know the names of the printed sources, but unfortunately the only places I could possible get to them are the libraries of Adygea and Krasnodar Krai. As for you proposed layout, I am sorry, but I simply do not like it. In my view, it puts too much emphasis on name information without improving much. I'll definitely be on a lookout for more ideas for section leads, and you can have my word that I'll remove links in headings as soon as I have something. If that's not good enough for you, well, I guess I'll have to accept the fact that you (and probably some others) will oppose the nomination. I still welcome any input you might have, though :)
  4. Administrative structure.
  5. Cite web. What I meant by I am also unable to use the parameter from inside cite web is that currently the OKATOReference template uses a parameter to refer readers to the proper section of the document (code number, {{{1}}}). If I re-format the template using cite web, I am no longer able to use this parameter and have to either include the section number manually or not include it at all.
  6. Map. I'll check if the map author agrees to re-do the map with a larger font. If not, we can just center the full-size map somewhere, as it is done, for example, in federal subjects of Russia.
  7. ...and I hope you had wonderful New Year celebrations and had good time!
Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Renata, I don't know if you are going to be around much, but I thought I'd let you know that I nominated administrative divisions of Adygea for FL (here). Thank you so much for you valuable feedback, and hope to see you back sooner rather than later!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Bounty[edit]

It has been done. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Quaker State[edit]

Hello, many of us noticed you deleted the article on Quaker State. ...uhhh, any idea why? It is indeed notable, it sponsors NASCAR. Regards, Tuxide 07:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Not only NASCAR, but various teams in NHRA, IndyCar, FIA GT Championship, American Le Mans Series, and others. It is also a popular brand of motor oil. The359 07:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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Baltic tribes map[edit]

Renata, I would love to work on a Baltic tribes map. I enjoyed making the Livonian Confederation map and this Baltic Tribes map looks interesting as well, with exotic peoples (exotic to me, at least) set in a distant time. Give me a week or so, and I should have a first try. MapMaster 18:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Here at long last is your requested map: Image:Baltic Tribes c 1200.svg. I'll write more about why I did what I did, but I wanted to get it posted tonight. Mistakes? Improvements?? All for now, more later. MapMaster 06:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
If you think that parts of the map are wrong or misleading, let me know. I have added to the references on the Image's page so can you look thru them.
I will add the Sudovian name to the map. There is both a Wikipedia article on the Yotvingians and another on the Sudovians but everything that I've seen says that these are two names for the same tribues. I'm tempted to merge them, but thought I should (at least) check with you first. Let me know, MapMaster 03:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, me again. I looked thru your concerns, replied to each of them, and made some changes to the map, though nothing striking. Rather than discuss this on my Talk page, I moved it to the map's talk page commons:Image talk:Baltic Tribes c 1200.svg.
Also, I have my first cut at translating the map: the PNG version is here. I need a name for the map (your choice) as well as the Lithuanian for kilometers and miles, and need you to check my spelling. Yr obedient servant, MapMaster 01:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The Lithuanian version of this map is available here. If there are any further changes, let me know. Also, if you could add a Lithuanian language description to the map's page (along with the present English & Latvian), I would be appreciative. I am hoping that you will place it in the appropriate Lithuanian language articles. Later! MapMaster 14:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
You certainly never bother me. I have fixed the Dnieper/Berezina matter on the English map. Your message on my talk page was a bit confusing, however ("could you move Aukstaitians label a bit to the west. Now it's way too far to the east."). So, I moved the Aukstaitians a bit to the west, but I was wondering whether you meant "east". In any case, could you review?? Thanks, MapMaster 00:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Renata, thank you for translating that article. I apoligise for asking after so long time has passed, but why were you questioning its accuracy ? In case if if you doubt refferences to Lithuania - she realy did live in Panevėžys shortly and wrote play set in medival Lithuania---- Xil/talk 23:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

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Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen

Treaty of Dovydiškės[edit]

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I, Deucalionite, award you this emblem in honor of your sacrifices in expanding the Treaty of Dovydiškės. Thank you for your contributions.

Labai dėkui[edit]

... for the barnstar, which is entirely unexpected but extremely welcome. Happy New Year! HeartofaDog 11:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


I am afraid there is a confusion here. According to a number of chronicles (I personally checked with Bychowiec Chronicle and Evreinov Chronicle (Yevreinov Chronicle, Евреиновская летопись)) the Lavrishev Monastery was founded by son of Treniota, Rimantas (or Rimundas,Римонт. Римунд), who was baptized under the name Lavr, Lavrysh, Лавр, Лаврыш and founded the monastery later named after his name: Lavrishev Monastery. Vaishvilkas was among his monks, but it is said he lived somewhere else, separately. Rimantas is known in Orthodox tradition under his monastic name Yelisey: Saint Yelisey Lavrishevsky Елисей Лавришевский.

However some doubt the historicity of Rimantas and assume that in fact Vaisvilkas (Войшелк) founded the monastery and Yelisey was yet another person as discussed, eg, here . It should be noted that tales about Vaisvilkas as recorded by Maciej Stryjkowski in Chronicle of Poland, Lithuania, Samogitia and all of Ruthenia and Kojałowicz in Historia Lithuaniae are also considered semi-mythological.

At the moment I have no idea whether a settlement of Lavrishevo Лавришево matches the place of the monastery. There is no traces monastery there now and some express doubt as to the location. There is a Church of Dormition (1768)

In some sources the village of Lavrushevo Лаврушево is mentioned in the same region (By Navahrudak) in context of the restoration of the monastery.

It is also claimed that the monastery was also mentioned in old documents as монастырь Лаврашев or Лаврашевский монастырь (Lavrashev Monastery)

I have no time to validate all this, but I hope it will give you some more clues. `'mikka 19:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian airfields[edit]

Happy New Year Renata3. I just saw your message posted on my talk page and I have a response there. In short, yes, please feel free to move any articles to the correct Lithuanian name, but please redirect using the old names since they are taken from authoritative (but possibly sloppy) American sources in aeronautical charts. -Timvasquez 05:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome message. I had a few questions. Someone just added some information to a page without citing sources, and there are some discrepancies in the wording this particular user used. Is there any way possible to contact this individual to find out where he found this information? How would I look up who it was? Thanks, Michaeldmccormick(login name).

LT history[edit]

Hi, did you receive the edit of LT history 1219-1295, and was it helpful? Sca 22:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I did. Thanks a lot! I am just away for the whole week so I have extremely limited Internet access and can only check my email and watchlist. When I will be back, I will make the changes. Gotta run. Renata 03:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


Hey Renata - Thanks for your support on the List of Formula One fatal accidents, much appreciated ;-).--Skully Collins Edits 13:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


Ok, I'll try:P--Lokyz 13:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Informal mediation[edit]

Could I ask you to look at some of recent Lokyz's contributions on talk of Polish-related articles, and ask her to stop assuming bad faith on the part of Polish editors? It would be great if you could explain to him that Poles are not 'hated by all of their neighbours' and are not 'chauvinists' who are 'mocking' Lithuanian culture and engage in 'witchunts' and so on. I have bad feeling that if such accusations persist, we will end up with Round 2 of the what we had before, and this was not pleasant for anybody invovled. PS. To a lesser extant, M.K. and Dr. Dan are not helping, and as for 'my side', I asked Halibutt to turn his attention to some non-Lithuania related articles, too, in order to defuse what I can. Thank you, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I have extremely busy time these days, but I can not hold to making not on this. I am shocked how Piotrus is responding here, look at [18] with what passion article was created, continues insults on language [19] and yet again P.P is showing as "mistake" [20] then already we knew that it is not the mistake. So P.P then doing mediation with your friend at least use En that other contributors could see your "suggestions" properly. And stop mocking Lokyz suggesting that he is a woman! M.K. 20:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
What's wrong in being a woman ? :-) I know some very pretty women and not so many pretty men. ;-) --Lysytalk 22:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

For starters, please don't taunt Halibutt like you did on his talk page. You don't see me annoying Ghirla, Lokyz or M.K. with such messages, do you? I suggest that per Halibutt post, you let time patch up bad karma between you. If you have little time for Wiki, there should be no need for you to devote so many posts to asking Halibutt 'if he really left', is there? Second, some posts by Lokyz and MK are offending to Polish contributors. Since you yourself complained that Polish editors are sometimes offending to Lithuanians (language mockery etc.) may I suggest we try to refrain from such actions, and activly criticize users 'from our side' who make such posts (I, as well as other Polish editors, have criticized Halibutt several times publicly on his talk page when I felt he stepped over the line, I'd appreciate if you and other Lithuanian ones would 'rein' the 'problematic users' on your side).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  02:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I politly asked for articles on the subject that come up often in discussions with MK. I did not ask for a series of personal attacks. Halibutt and you is my business when I see one of you pestering the other one, just as when I see similar unconstructive actions carried by any editor on Wikipedia. And FYI, there is no war. There is just a couple of trolls (and I am not pointing fingers at any side) who try to destabilize the matter and push fringe POV, while the vast majority of nice guys on each side doesn't want to waste their time and stress themselves with related issues. Alas, all trolls sooner or later get kicked from this side, and the reasonable majority tryumphs. So this pointless conflict - which I will not honor with the name of war - will end.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  03:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Do not expect me to respond to your questions unless you plan to find any backup for your offences - or apologize for slandering my good name, calling me names and accusing me for a set of nasty things. Your approach towards me has been extremely rude, unfair and definitely not right, which I already pointed out several times. Your uncivilized behaviour was a drop too much and I will not extend my good will unless you try to extend your hand towards me this time. I've tried numerous times - and I failed. Now it's your turn to try to repair the wrongs you've done. //Halibutt 02:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Read my comment above. Or the comment I left when leaving wikipedia. Or the comments you left when leaving wikipedia. DO what you please. //Halibutt 02:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I wonder how would you react if someone did to you what you did to me and then pretend nothing happened. Please do not bother me unless you plan to find the courage to be responsible for your own words. Until that happens, our mutual contacts would be a waste of my time. //Halibutt 03:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I beg your pardon?! Apparently it's still not the right time for you. I've wasted enough of my time, good day. //Halibutt 03:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Birthplaces of Lithuanian sportsmen[edit]

Why do you replace birthplaces of people, who were born in the USSR by "Lithuania"? Isn't it obvious, that there was no such country in 1940-1990, there was the Lithuanian SSR, a republic of the USSR? Hence, I believe, that saying "Kaunas, Lithuanian SSR, now Lithuania" or "Kaunas, USSR, now Lithuania" or just "Kaunas" is OK, but "Kaunas, Lithuania" is not, in such cases.

Also I'm always confused and questioned, when I see e.g. "Lithuania" or "Russia" as "nationality" in many articles and even with the flag present nearby sometimes, instead of using "Lithuanians" and "Russians". Although perhaps this doesn't concern you, but some other editors - I didn't dig into this so far. Cmapm 03:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your comment at WP:RFI on Durova's page[edit]

Few points. The user has a right to ask for special priviliges, revisions or exceptions. Admins have no obligation to grant such wishes. I agree with Durova (no suprise) that it is a clear enough case: very few of Dr. Dan's contrubtions are constructive, instead, he wastes times of others in pointless and stressing flaming debates. And he can always reply on his talk page, up to using the 'unblock' template. Anyway, I find this statement puzzling: He might as well deserve to be blocked, but not like this. Do you think he should be blocked (clear yes or no, please :). And if 'yes, but not like this', then how? After we spend a month of several in WP:DR? I see no reason to waste time in DR on a user who almost never does anything constructive to our project, but wastes time of many creative contributors by flaming them on talk. This is not Ghirla, who while offending was one of the biggest content creators this project has ever seen... this is a user who is just offending and does little else. There are good reasons to cut through any 'red tape', deal with this nuisance and go back to work. Consider this: if I didn't have to deal with his flaming, I'd have probably had time to raise Lithuanian minority in Poland to DYK quality...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I added a commnet at WP:RFI on the issue, particularly on the Piotrus' behavior. --Irpen 06:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


could you come and say something about Pan-Polonism. I created a page but didn't noticed that such a pan-polonism probably don't exists at all and would mean not that thing which I wanted to display. I don't know how didvalstybinė lenkų ideologija, Lenkijos tapatinimas su LDK or something shoud be called in an article. It would be about an ideology which treats certain non-Polish lands as Poland‘s possession. Its matter would be something about denying GDL self dependence and likewise. Dellijks 20:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think that such a thinking (ideology?) which treated GDL lands to be Poland's possesion has existed. So maybe the article could be started about that? But about Pan-Polonism I think it was a mistake of mine to start such an article. As I know it can't be deleted, do you know somewhat about deleting? Dellijks 21:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Delete if you can. Ačiū. Neaiškiai ten paklausiau. Man kilo mintis kad straipsnis Didvalstybinė Lenkijos samprata galėtų egzistuoti. Bet pats nežinau ar šitaip vadinti būtų objektyvu. Iš esmės toks pavadinimas sakytų, kad Lenkijos istorinės pretenzijos (pvz Pilsudskio bandymas atkurti LDK) nėra pagrįstos. Nesukdamas galvos apie tai koks tiksliai turėtų būti turinys, pagrindimas ir paklausiau. Jei nenori čia ir dabar ar apskritai apie tai nieko pasakyti tai aš ir neprašyčiau gaišti laiko apie tai ką nors atsakinėjant. Tiek to ir klausimo, žodžiu, ištrink jei gali aną netikslų (kas matosi palyginus su pan-germanizmu ir pan-slavizmu) puslapį. Ačiū. Dellijks 15:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Map of Duchy of Courland[edit]

Thanks for the "catch" on my map of the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia. The error stems from Shepherd's original map, which shows what Wikipedia calls the "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" as the "Kingdom of Poland". This is, as you may realize, not uncommon (e.g. "Partitions of Poland" and not "Partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth").

In any case, I have an idea on how to differentiate these various areas (e.g. Polish Livonia, etc) while still showing that they all were a part of the Commonwealth. I should get the change(s) up within the next day or so. It would be faster, but my day job keeps interfering (drat!!). Thanks again, MapMaster 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I have updated the map, which now not only shows the Duchy of Courland & Semigallia, but the local extent of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Let me know if you see any other errors. Thanks, MapMaster 02:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi Renata - hope all is going well. Just wanted to let you know that I found Encyclopedia Lituanica at a Chicagoland library and they let me check it out...lugged home all 6 volumes. Am currently just surfing through it and using as a reference whenever. But if you have any specific requests, if you let me know, I'd be willing to write them up. Per a request on the project site, am planning to fill in the signatories of the Declaration of Independence - at a rate of 2 or 3 per day, should be done by Feb. 16th.

Also a request: this has occurred before but still can't figure out how to fix it; when I create an article, sometimes the title ends up in lower case, most recently Kaunas botanical garden. Could you, when you have a moment, fix it for me and tell me how you did it? Involves re-directing? Any way to prevent it from happening in the first place? Then also Kęstutis Nakas doesn't come up unless the e is properly entered...also needs a redirect? Novickas 23:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it worked :) Novickas 23:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Polish minority[edit]

You might be interested in my comment at Talk:Polish minority in Lithuania. Sca 20:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 27 January, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Herkus Monte, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Savidan 16:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


Sorry, Renata, that I left a mess needing disambiguation...Novickas 20:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Some help[edit]

Novickas presented interesting link [21] (65psl) in which exhibited genesis of Act of Independence. I tried to experiment to recreating it using techniques like in House of Mindaugas, but I did not master it yet, so maybe you can help with it? M.K. 12:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, no need to rush we have some time till 16. And if you have some remarks you could write them directly into my sand box. M.K. 12:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips, I wrote some preliminary remarks about lost Act in box in order not to forget, yes Aidas story will be presented too. M.K. 12:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks I will investigate prepared draft. M.K. 11:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, my draft version of article is in my box, I am not satisfied with the article, main points are, which I hope you will help to resolve (you can always edit my box):

  • Paragraph headlines, they are not good at all, especially with those Act's versions
  • The paragraph placement is also questionable - maybe place Further developments as one of last paragraph and so on.
  • Paragraph Structure of Act is important, but it looks terribly especially with the image! maybe some particular format would help?
  • Declaration text probably would look better if it was justified from left and fight, how to do it?
  • Did not manage to find any decent source about lost Act version.
  • Impact paragraph maybe should be merged? or expanded with something additional?
  • Genesis/ table I did not managed to changed colours properly see the first two top boxes, bottom line is not visible. Need help here too :)

and various other issues! Suggestions much welcome. M.K. 12:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I would not kill you for this one :) very nice input, very nice! But when you have time could you advise on other issues of this article (points above). Thanks for helping me. M.K. 10:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
And once again you did your part superbly. answering your questions. First about notifications: (original text, I hope you understand this :)) :
>>>...sausio 26d. nutarimas. Šiuo nutarimu Lietuvos Taryba 12 balsų dauguma, 5 nar. balsavus prieš ir 3 susilaikius, priėmė du skirtingus Lietuvos nepriklausomybės skelbimo notifikacijos projektus: vieną Rusiją (neminint konvencinių ryšių su Vokiet.) ir antrą Vokietijai (pasisakant už konvencinius ryšius su Vokietija ir nurodant kad galutinai tai nuspręs Steigiamasis Seimas ). Protestuojant prieš šį nutarimą iš Tarybos pasitraukė keturi...<<<
and second:
>>>…Šią suvereniteto ir tęstinumo grandinę Lietuvos Taryba norėjo pažymėti ir išlaikyti - principinį teisėtą valstybės buvimą Europos žemėlapyje net nuo XIII a. karaliaus Mindaugo laikų. Aišku, naujaisiais laikais buvo orientuojamasi į valstybę etninėse ribose...<<< Hope you understand it. M.K. 20:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, article was not ready for main space. M.K. 17:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
It was not! M.K. 17:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Person of the Year[edit]

Hi Renata, just wondering about your "Person of the Year" award. What did you do to achieve it? Appleseed (Talk) 15:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I should have clicked the link. Anyway, congratulations! :-) Appleseed (Talk) 18:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Miscellaneous, 1/30/2007[edit]

Hi Renata - continued tense discussion (??) on User talk:Iulius Novickas 12:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian given names[edit]

How do you think this should be organized? Like this maybe:

  • Jonas - English equivalent: John
  • Ona - English equivalent: Anne
  • Gediminas - a xth century ruler of Lithuania

If one were to try and give some background on all the names currently on the list, though, a lot of them would have to come off; they could be re-entered by interested parties over time. On the other hand, this really would be a useful tool for non-natives who are visiting, conducting business, or doing genealogical research. What say? Novickas 16:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Notice board[edit]

Hi Renata, is there a Lithuanian notice board? Appleseed (Talk) 20:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Bartians, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On February 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bartians, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 22:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yet another FA[edit]

Whoa ! Congrats. --Lysytalk 22:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppetry[edit]

User:£ once engaged in vandalism (hoax article plus libel on Pro Patria Union: here I reported it, but of course no-one took any measures! (here WP:DR suggested again... oh dear!)). I have considered seemingly new account User:Roobit as well - it has the same extremist anti-Baltic POV as so-called £ had. Constanz - Talk 08:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

NewArtBot for WP:LITH[edit]

Sure, I will do it tonight (my time) when I will come from work. Alex Bakharev 23:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the note. He is, to put it mildly, a jerk. But he's a very good editor/writer/researcher so I guess we can put up with him! -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of CatLinc. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kojiro Takenashi (talkcontribs)

Council of Lithuania Vilnius Conference[edit]

You're right, it needs to be done. But kugelis with sour cream and bacon on top would be better. Novickas 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Vilnius Conference OK, show me the kugelis! Novickas 21:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, it was delicious! Hope your recovery from the flu is coming along. Novickas 17:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Renata. Did everyone decide during the snowstorm that they should work on their taxes? I'm thinking about blowing off work this afternoon and going to the University of Illinois library, maybe will find some more stuff about the Conference proceedings. Sure would have been nice to have a fly on the wall there. Also, curious now about the Lithuanian month names - when did they come up with those? Soon after 1918, no? IMO that would make an interesting small article. Well, happy Independence Day! Novickas 15:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

CP of Lithuania[edit]

Its a work in process. Both CPSU and other articles associated with it are a mess. I'm trying to bring some order in the situation, but I'm not sure of what the end result should be, and any suggestions are welcome. In short there needs to be a differentiation made between the following:

  • Political parties that where merged into the CPSU
  • Regional branches of CPSU (which could also have separate articles, but I'm not sure how to do with naming)
  • Parties formed after the break-up of CPSU

--Soman 16:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion would be the following:

--Soman 16:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that there has to be a constitent policy. This doesn't just concern the Baltics, but also Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, etc.. It can seem that there is a direct continuation between pre-1940 and post-1940, and I don't dispute that in many cases that was the fact. The issue in creating articles is that, through the merger into CPSU(b), the LKP ceased to be an independent party. There needs to be a differentiation here. Also, the solution to the fact that the LKP article is just a stub at the moment is to expand that article. --Soman 17:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Renata! Remember administrative divisions of Adygea which was featured not long ago? As promised, I've been looking for ways to improve the layout. Apart from the vast expansion, I am still playing with various ideas for tables format. If you have time and/or inclination, could you take a look at this layout and let me know if it addresses the issues you were previously concerned about? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, that happened to me more than on one occasion, too. I just figured you were too busy to answer. I'm glad that the new format is more to your liking. As for the two-line solution, I don't really like it myself, but everything else I tried worked even worse. Anyway, if six months after today you suddenly think of a great solution that would address remaining formatting problems, please don't hesitate to let me know—I'll gladly do the tweaking! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Dad's Army episodes[edit]

With regards to fixing column width allt he wya across, how could thsi be done? I've fixed many of the problems you had with teh article, and am trying on the column width one. Have I done enough to alter you opinion? (expansion of other overviews pending) RHB Talk - Edits 15:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


This vandal become very disruptive, maybe you have some tools to stop him see Lithuania article for evidence. M.K. 19:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Žirmūnai to FA[edit]

You could now try to nominate Žirmūnai to FA Iulius 09:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe ref formats should be equalized first, M.K. 11:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I am not competent in that. Iulius 08:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I will do it in up coming days, M.K. 18:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It is done; start nomination? M.K. 12:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 15 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Act of Independence of Lithuania, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

List of XYZZY Awards by category[edit]

Hi, I just fixed everything you suggested at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of XYZZY Awards by category, thanks for the feedback. could you have a another look and maybe change your "oppose" vote if its to your satsifaction? cheers. Nespresso 17:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

the references are now formatted per cite web. i have tweaked the lead a little: could you explain how it fails to meet WP:LEAD? it is one full paragraph that stands alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, and summarizing the article content. there are no word-count guidelines at WP:LEAD, and one paragraph is generally enough for a list. Additional information about the Xyzzies does not belong in this list, but in the main XYZZY Awards article. Cheers. Nespresso 13:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

National Recording Registry Recordings FLC vote[edit]

Thanks for evaluating List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry as a WP:FLC at the discussion page. I believe I have overcome your objections and would appreciate it if you would reconsider you vote. TonyTheTiger 22:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Dad's Army episodes[edit]

I've done some heavy editing. Would you consider taking another look and reconsidering your vote? Thanks for your input, RHB Talk - Edits 01:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Its been removed from the FLC page, but apparently not yet failed? Should I relist it now that all editors concerns have been met? Column width was done shortly after I read your post - I tried it originally with width=100pt or something similar, but left it until earlier today. Thanks, RHB Talk - Edits 19:19, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


I guess it is a roundabout way of suggesting that the Lithuanian language orginated in Africa. (That's probably why you're all so tall, too!)

PS: Judging by the number of official flag days listed, you're even bigger flag-wavers than we are. (But I don't recall seeing the flag waving anywhere much in LT except on public bldgs.) Sca 22:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
You should came to LT on February 16, even the traffic police gave flags (small ones) to drives. M.K. 12:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

UCINET deletion[edit]

I'm confused why my (very stubby) article on UCINET was deleted. It was given a db-spam tag, but I was really just trying to describe the software. I started the article because I had spent some time trying to figure out what this software was exactly (it was mentioned in class), and I thought a brief article at least mentioning what the software's intended use was would be better than nothing for others that found themselves in my position. I can assure you that I have no relationship with the makers of the software (and I wouldn't even recommend its use after researching it), but I'm not sure why it shouldn't have a page on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm just confused as to why some proprietary software is allowed a page and some is not. I was considering starting an article for Pajek, another software suite with similar intended use, but I'll wait to hear back on this first. Spud603 22:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response... just what I was looking for. Spud603 04:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Robin Raven deletion[edit]

You speedily deleted Robin Raven with "nn actor" as the reason given. Could you explain? The article was written in good faith, and was factual, including references to outside sources such as imdb. Thanks in advance for responding. — Eric Herboso 08:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanian Nationality Law[edit]

I can see the reasoning behind this policy...but have no guidance as to whether the law texts are in the public domain or not. The Constitutional Court website at [22] is clearly marked with a copyright symbol. Suggestions? Novickas 13:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Would you like to start contributing to "Did you Know" which updates every 6 hours on the main page? The problem is that the Template:Did_you_know is protected, and admins have to add "did you know" below that templates. And sometimes we have backlogs of up to 10 hours.

I invite you to familarize yourself with the DYK system: people list their suggestions here. Then another editor if it qualifies updates:Template:Did_you_know/Next_update.

Then its just cut and paste to Template:Did_you_know and give everyone credits. --Parker007 05:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Philosophiae, Philosophae[edit]

Thanks for catching the formatting on these redirects. ... Kenosis 17:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


There has been a call for reconsideration by objectors at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry. TonyTheTiger 14:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 3 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lietuvos aidas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Ačiū for the contribution - and hopefully I protected the image correctly)


You might be interested in this:

Sca 23:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

FAC2 - List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry[edit]

You voiced an opinion on FLC1, but have not chimed in on FLC2. Feel free to voice an opinion and hopefully a supportive one. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 08:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Galleries of Fair Use images[edit]

Renata, what are our current policies on the galleries of fair use images? Are galleries like Spike_TV#Logos allowed? Alex Bakharev 02:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Another copyright question[edit]

Sorry for bothering you in the middle of tax season. Would you review my action here? If you agree with me, what is the implication for the Feynman article, which contains inferior PD images? Thanks - NYC JD (objection, asked and answered!) 18:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Renata! If you are still interested in this, I will welcome your comments on the new revision of the administrative divisions of Adygea featured list, which is now on peer review here. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No, I never give up :) Perfectionism is, unfortunately, the story of my life—I seem to never be able to actually finish anything because nothing is ever up to standards and can always be further improved :) Anyway, if you could find a minute for a review, I'd certainly much appreciate it!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 23:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering about FU images[edit]

Just wondering why you removed the RPI logo from the template. Is that an invalid fair-use? I was trying to balance the template's appearance. Also, I noticed a few other universities doing similar things eg. (Duke University, and MIT). Danski14 21:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey, Renata, what's with the tone here? My message was a very polite and friendly advise. Anyone is free to ignore it. --Irpen 16:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the review of Taiwanese aborigines[edit]

Thanks for the detailed review. I appreciate it. Maowang 00:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Area element[edit]

Please may I have the content for the deleted article userfied to me. It seemed a reasonable maths article, listed as a missing topic, so I'd like to recreate it. Strange the original author blanked it, but that's his whim! --Steve (Stephen) talk 03:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response --Steve (Stephen) talk 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Please restore Milkwall, Gloucestershire[edit]

  • 03:47, 2 April 2007 Renata3 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Milkwall, Gloucestershire" (content was: '{{db-bio}}Milkwall is a small village with a friendly local pub and a local shop.')

Could you please restore the article Milkwall, Gloucestershire, and add the following categories at the end of the article: {{Gloucestershire-geo-stub}} [[Category:Forest of Dean]] [[Category:Villages in Gloucestershire]] I think the consensus is that Cities and villages are notable, regardless of size, according to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes. When I want to verify the existence of a British town or village, I look it up at, which allows me to add the town's grid reference to the article. --Eastmain 05:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Could you restore the article to my userspace as User:Eastmain/Milkwall, Gloucestershire so that I could fix them there, as I did Joys Green? I didn't create either article. I noticed that someone else had created the article and that it had been deleted, so I wanted to fix the article. --Eastmain 23:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

House of Mindaugas on hold[edit]

Just a note to let you know that I have placed House of Mindaugas on GA hold. Let me know if you fix the items I listed, and I'll take another look. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 02:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mykolas Kęsgaila[edit]

Hi, Renata! When you get back, could you, please, take a look at Mykolas Kęsgaila and Mykolas Kęsgaila (died 1476)? The latter is definitely poorly named, but I am not sure what it should be renamed to, so I'm asking you, the only Lithuanian I know. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Article deletion[edit]

Hello - I noticed that five days ago you deleted Tony Payne without an AfD. There are people who have edited this page and other related ones for Tony's work (like Matthias Media and The Briefing) who would have preferred this go to an AfD. Can you please put this on an AfD debate, or failing that, userfy the page to me so that I can edit it and replace it? JRG 01:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree to this AfD asking --Altermike 07:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of PESWiki. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Altermike 07:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Secret Pants[edit]

Please explain why this page was delete and protected. I have proven why they are notable and have reference everything I possibly could have. I even heavily compromised what the content was because it was deemed "unnecessary" by users ChrisGriswold and TruthinComedy. Why is it that you guys continue to bully me around on this? Thedanberg 22:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


I'm really glad you guys all look at this so objectively. Just because they are not notible in your opinion its completely irrelevant. I was told I wasn't allowed to use the fact that they (yes, "they" being as I'm not part of the troupe as you apparently think) were in the top ten most subscribed to comedy podcast on iTunes because Apple does not post past records. They were, at one point, #8. They are currently #11 in comedy and #27 overall. That's not notable!?!

Unfortunately, that is not something that can be linked, but if you go and actually look, that is ahead of several other "notable" groups such as Olde English, Joe Cartoon, Queer Duck, and Comedy Central. As a matter of fact, they are actually featured RIGHT NOW on the podcast main page in the iTunes store. Too bad they are not good enough for a FREE ONLINE REFERENCE SITE!! Disagree? Let me know. Thedanberg 01:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


How do I get this unblocked? I have another reference point that maybe you consider "notable." Here you go, Secret Pants featured on Comedy Central's blog: Thedanberg 05:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright problems with Image:Metro Athens extensions en.jpg[edit]

Hello Renata, about the Metro artcle I had contacted with them and they have given me permission and I have made some relative comments, if I remember correctly. If there is still any concern, you can always contact them through email. (Alkiviadis 05:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

As a matter of fact I have the email sent to me from a representative of Athens Metro. You can always get a translation if you want because it's in Greek.

Η ΑΤΤΙΚΟ ΜΕΤΡΟ ΑΕ σας χορηγεί την άδεια να χρησιμοποιήσετε φωτογραφίες του Μετρό της Αθήνας από τη διαδικτυακή της πύλη (, όπου επιπλέον μπορείτε να βρείτε επικαιροποιημένες πληροφορίες για το Μετρό της Αθήνας (δείτε τις σχετικές ανακοινώσεις Τύπου στην ενότητα ΕΠΙΚΟΙΝΩΝΙΑ) καθώς και τον νέο χάρτη του δικτύου, όπου πλέον συμπεριλαμβάνεται η νέα Γραμμή 4.

Στη διάθεσή σας για οποιαδήποτε διευκρίνιση.

Χάρης Τσιματζής wrote:

   Name: Γιώργος Ζερβάκης. 

E-mail: Company: Telephone: Age: 25 - 44 Comments: Γράφω στην ηλεκτρονική εγκυκλοπαίδεια Wikipedia και θα ήθελα μια σχετική άδεια για δημοσίευση φωτογραφιών από τον ιστοχώρο σας. To URL για την Αγγλική έκδοση είναι: ενώ για την Ελληνική είναι:Αθηναϊκό_μετρό. Ευχαριστώ εκ των προτέρων.

Date: 27/1/2006


Following up on your message[edit]

Hi, Renata! Sorry I did not promptly respond to your feedback. I took the liberty of moving your list to the peer review page; hope it's OK with you. I am planning to respond there soon.

As for Kęsgaila, what I was trying to say that Mykolas Kęsgaila (died 1476) is a horrible title for an article, but I can't move it to Mykolas Kęsgaila because it is about a different person. If you could disambiguate those two properly, that'd be great. I'd do it myself, but I have no clue what disambiguator would work the best for these people. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Konkani Dictionary, deletion of article.[edit]

I have posted my comments on the talk page Talk:Konkani Dictionary. Kindly go thorugh it. --Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 04:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no problem if it takes space. Probably this comment will take more space than the redirect itself :-). Fine with me --Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 13:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Vilnius conference equals decision to break union with Poland[edit]

Hello For me is clear that this was the main topic (or background) of the discussion on the Vilnius conference. I wonder if it could have been openly stated? Even if it was not discussed open, it was the background of the decisions made there. Plaese comment. Cautious 09:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Labas, reikia truputi pagalbos[edit]

Nelabai susigaudau, kaip reikia elgtis su išnašais. Ar literatūros sąrašą reikia sudaryt atskirai po to nurodant kažkokius pavidinimus. Gal galit pagelbėt?

Brontë poems[edit]

I felt that Lines (Branwell Brontë poem) at least deserved an AfD. Also, be aware that it is part of a project - see Wikipedia:Brontë poems. -- RHaworth 10:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


Case has been started, probably you will be interested: [23] M.K. 10:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I would appreciate your input, too. You always tried to 'cool hot heads', and your skills may be desperatly needed there - plus nobody can accuse you of 'anti-Lithuanian bias' as some of other people that may comment there :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know, how many last warnings will the unashamed anti-Baltic soapboxer Roobit still be offered? Could you please intervene yourself, because I see you have dealt with the issue before? 11:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus[edit]


An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 20:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Deleted Page?[edit]

I was trying to look up Jason Tyne and was told he had an article written about him. What happened to it? --Willy the Wildcat 00:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay - since this is my first time trying to make a Wikipedia entry, and within minutes of starting the thing you deleted it, I've gotta ask: How is a person supposed to build up an entry when you go ahead and delete it within minutes? I don't understand. I am trying to make a contribution, and you went ahead and deleted it before it even had a chance. Very disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultraist (talkcontribs)


You really need to restore my article called TINKLECOMM Mail. I dont appreciate you suggesting to delete it because I did everything that was supposed to be done in order for it to be in "Wikipedia standards." --Muriness 01:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No, you go look at the deletion page, If you acually took the time to look at it and then compare it to another similar article you would have seen that it was in the wikipedia standard. See you administratiors get a little power and it goes all to your heads! Now Renata3, Im asking nicely for you to restore the page and to LOOK at it and COMPARE it to another similar page such as Yahoo Mail or AIM mail. --Muriness 01:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Please restore my article called "TINKLECOMM Mail". Im pratically begging now. I do not want to start everything over from scratch. thanks. --Muriness 14:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I looked at the page and its not helping. Can you please just do me that favor of restoring my page please. Like I stated before, I really dont want to restart the article again. --Muriness 02:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Not WP:RM[edit]

Okay, okay. I understand the Community Portal is not WP:RM. However, the problem with the discussion (it's technically not a move request, although it looks like one) is that it is not getting opinion from the general community. As you may see, many of the editors are Arabic-language speakers (or Arabs) or Farsi-language speakers (or Persians). Clearly, that's not representative of the entire community. I'll file an RfC instead, but do you have any other ideas (since you obviously disapprove of the use of Community Portal)? -- tariqabjotu 21:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Martynas Bendorius[edit]

Hello, I wonder why his biography, photo etc. were deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Becky748 (talkcontribs) 19:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC) Martynas Bendorius He is a creative professional, I see no reason to delete the thread about him, do you?

Unspecified source for Image:Hk22.png[edit]

The original uploader of the image is Arbiteroftruth; I only converted it to PNG from the original GIF. Just asked them about this image. --Fibonacci 04:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Olympics prod[edit]


you removed the prod from Lithuania at the 1928 Summer Olympics. Since the article only says that Lithuania was there, it really isn't much of an article. However, you are correct that it is part of a series. I will put the batch (those for teams that won nothing) up for afd in the next few days. When I do so, I will alert you here, as you've shown an interest. Jd2718 20:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 14 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Durbe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 15:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image tag[edit]

I have issue with this part of the license - "The image's REPRODUCTION, without the Artist's signed license, IS EXPLICITLY FORBIDEN in the following cases: a) Production of copies (such as posters, post-cards, art - albums in printed or electronic form) for the purpose of selling them for profit. b) Use of the image for whatever commercial advertisement purposes." Unfortunately, Wikipedia allows mirroring and forking of its content for any use, including potential commercial uses, so one of our image speedy deletion criteria is that an image cannot be released under such a license. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I see what you're saying. I think I was wrong on this one. Thanks for keeping me honest. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ethnographic village[edit]

Would you consider creating an article explaining the term ? I would but I do not have enough knowledge on the subject. --Lysytalk 19:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

House of Gediminas[edit]

Updated DYK query On 22 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article House of Gediminas, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Aquarius &#149; talk 03:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


Hello, Renata! I created article about Šušvė. Can you edit grammar of the article? My English level isn't so good to write articles in English Wikipedia. Thank you! Regards, Hugo.arg 12:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Baltic porter[edit]

Hello. I have reverted your redirect. I believe it merits its own article. I mean, it's a good idea to include info on the "parent" article, but I don't agree with the redirect. Let me know if you still disagree. Renata 16:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch. I can see how someone might consider the redirect odd at first glance. However, if you note, the Baltic porter article consists of one paragraph, one picture, and a list of beers. The beers are random and non-notable. Such lists are commonly frowned upon and removed from articles. When the list is removed the article is simply a stub. When there is more information that may be the time to consider splitting it off from the main article and creating a stand alone article. As you are probably aware, Baltic porter is stout. The place to discuss it is in the general article on stout, and it is helpful to a reader who is looking for information on Baltic porter to be directed to the article on stout where Baltic porter can be discussed in context. I would direct your attention to Irish stout, Imperial Stout, Milk stout, Oatmeal stout, Chocolate stout and Oyster stout, all of which have been accepted into the main article. There has been some discussion on these merges, see Talk:Stout. I accept your concern, and am grateful to you for letting me know what you have done. There are always alternative views, and it's good to hear what other readers and editors are thinking. My own view is that Baltic porter could have its own article, but it's just not ready at the moment. However, that is only my view - if I haven't managed to convince you and would like to get a wider view then please raise the matter on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer. Regards SilkTork 19:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


Why was my entry to the Mindaugas page deleted instantly? The informatio was correct.



Now that you finally returned to Wikipedia, how about finally presenting evidence for your accusations - or an apology for your slandering my good name and for your unprovoked offences? It's been over 9 months now and I'm still waiting. //Halibutt 04:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Culture of Lithuania[edit]

Hello. I was planning to do some work on the abovementioned article, and I came across this odd caption in Lithuania#Culture: "A sculpture of angel — a symbol of tongue-in-cheek Republic at Užupis, Vilnius." Any idea what that's meant to be saying? I can't make heads nor tails of it, and at least one other person has commented about it.

Also, if you have any brief advice for Culture of Lithuania, feel free to drop me a note! (You offered as such on the Reward Board.)

--Grey Knight 16:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I rewrote the caption, now to work on the hard bit :-) I've been trying to track down images (or even the blazons) of the missing city coats of arms too, but no luck so far. --Grey Knight 17:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
After discussion with User:Alekjds, I decided to change both the caption and the entire Užupis article. Thoughts are welcome! --tiny plastic Grey Knight 13:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


There a few sources mentioning 'Santyr' but is seems also to be a mispelling; it's supposed to be a site of ancient settlement (gród) dating to at least 13th century. Polish Wikipedia does however has an article about pl:Zantyr, it was taken over by the Teutonic Order and a castle was indeed constructed there - however little archeological evidence has been found, so little that there is even no consensus where exactly the Zantyr and the castle are. If you can read Polish, see [24]. If you'd like me to translate pl wiki article, do drop me a note.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, that's a fascinating subject, I have it on my watchlist. It's also a great example of an important piece of history mostly ignored by Western research... don't you ever get the feeling that for some people, east of Odra 'there are still dragons'? :) One of my recent endavours if feeling the red links of Duchies of Silesia. There were dozens of them - and guess how many had articles on Wiki till few days ago... :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  03:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

NYC meetup[edit]

Please join us: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC -- Y not? 20:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark Brooks (comics)[edit]

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Mark Brooks (comics), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. TheRingess (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Prussian uprisings[edit]

Updated DYK query On 13 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prussian uprisings, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 16:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Prussian uprisings - brilliant new article!! Wow!!! Great stuff keep up the great work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 20:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Renata. Do you know that Fred Bauder suggested to ban M.K. for a year from Lithuania-related topics? Since you seem to know this user much better than I do, I believe the community would appreciate your opinion on the issue. Do you think his behaviour has really been disruptive? --Ghirla-трёп- 18:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Baseless deletion of "Juce" article.[edit]

I'm livid to find that sometime in the past few weeks you've unceremoniously deleted the article about my software product, "Juce". The reason you've put down is copyright violation, which is nonsense, because I wrote all the text that was on that page.

Since there's nothing whatsoever to explain why it got deleted, nor was there any attempt to contact me first, I've no idea what actually happened. Presumably someone must have noted that the text was similar to some text on my website, (and of course it was!), so to protect me from a copyright violation by myself, it's been removed. Ridiculous.

If you could let me know whether you'll restore it, that'd be great, because otherwise I'll need to re-create it, as people do have links to the now-absent page. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianstorer (talkcontribs) 11:12, 2 July 2007

Re: Juce article being deleted[edit]

Ok, you could argue that the text wasn't suitable (which is a matter of opinion), but I'm speechless at your claim that it's not "notable" enough to be deserve a place.

Maybe you've never heard of it, but Juce is used, developed and discussed by thousands of people around the world. It's the backbone of software products that have shipped millions of copies. You might have some Juce software on your computer right now. Companies, universities, enthusiasts all use this stuff every day. It's been reviewed by major IT sites like the Register, and is linked to by countless c++/UI related sites.

And most infuriatingly, Wikipedia has dozens of articles about equivalent (and many more obscure) libraries, which seem to have escaped your mighty sword of justice.

So should I spend time posting a new, less controversial, version of the article, or will you just come along and nix it straight away?

Deletion without a useful explaination is called Censorship. Clearly, the previous page wasn't an advertisement but a introduction similar to Qt / Gtk projects. Deleting the article purely based on your own (personal) judgement without a justified reason is inadmissible. Ok, I've seen you invoke the copyright violation reason, but before invoking it, you've too verify if there is a copyright violation. It's obvious there is none, as the article author is the copyright holder of the text he has written on his own website (you don't even know if the text on his website is not from wikipedia, who knows, maybe it's time to remove all Wikipedia article that are cited elsewhere on the net).

You decided on your own that Juce library wasn't worth being considered, thus indirectly promoting Qt or Gtk projects. This is also inadmissible, as it undoubtly proves you're partial.

For that reason, you shouldn't be allowed to moderate Wikipedia. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Julianstorer (talkcontribs) 16:06, 2 July 2007

Hi Renata, I've taken the liberty of having a look over this issue, and I think this can be resolved neatly :-). I'm putting it through DRV myself, have a look there to see my reasoning. Ye Olde Deletionne Reviewe Templatte follows!
  • An editor has asked for a deletion review of Juce. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review.
Thanks! --tiny plastic Grey Knight 09:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Treaty of Christburg[edit]

Hi Renata3. You are off to such a great start on the article Treaty of Christburg that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 23:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Prussian uprisings - GA nom[edit]

On the off chance you are not watching it, please see the review and requests for improvement before the GA status is awarded.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  16:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Lithuania[edit]

Thanks for correcting my articles :) I hope I'll learn to write better in English. Hugo.arg 18:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, here (in WikiProject Lithuania) is something like this Wikipedia:Argentina-related regional notice board? Hugo.arg 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


You beat me to the reblock. Good call. Moreschi Talk 10:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 10 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Treaty of Christburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Rigadoun (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Renata screen.jpg)[edit]

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Re:Review of the invasion[edit]

Thanks for your comments. Quick replies:

  • it was a request by another reviewer to use notes, and the example he gave me (War against Nabis) has long notes, with citatins, too. I will fix the note with five elinks shortly.
  • I dislike cite mechanism, particularly since its very time consuming, creates a mass of wiki syntax making editing harder (which is why I argued for a separate reference namespace...) and there is no easy way to convert stuff into it.
  • Feel free to remove any information you think is non-essential. I like my articles to be as densly linked and comprehensive as possible (per WP:BTW)
  • dates and durations of battles, in chronological order, had a section in the article - it was removed because of a complain by another reviewer. Do you see a pattern? :)
  • I think the article follows chronological order?
  • Aftermath had headings (like 'Allied reaction'), they were removed because of complains they were to stubby...
  • Soviet invasion is a part of the wider Invasion article, which discusses other fights (i.e. the beginning of the Phony War with Saar Offensive) in more detail
  • Feel free to fix minor issues, and there is a native speaker editor dedicated to copy-editing working on the article, but since there is no such thing as 'one perfect style', we have both reviewers commenting on good style/copyedit and asking for more :)

Thanks for the comments, by all means, feel free to edit the article and comment on the FAC. I will see about addressing as many of your points as possible soon.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  11:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the note with elinks and created {{Campaignbox Soviet invasion of Poland}} which I hope works better then bullet list. I think citations are relatively consistent now - cite.php for inline citations, notes split off to notes. If there are any particular confusing places with regards to chronology, let me know and I will check them out. As for subsections, I am afraid they would be considered to small by some, but you can add them - and we will see if somebody will criticize them in FAC again.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  13:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Marshall Street[edit]

I edited the Marshall Street page because I've lived here for 34 years and some of the information was inaccurate, incomplete, unorganized and spelled improperly. True, I did add some things that were left out making it "more lengthy" but it was already somewhat lengthy. If you look at the page for "Armory Square" you will see that it is twice as lengthy, yet it's been there for quite some time. Deleting the part of the page that you did keeps people from imperative information about the area and some of those establishments that were deleted have links to other pages. I undid what you did not knowing that you were an administrator. If you think that some of the information is not neccesary, please let me know which and I will modify it, but please don't just remove everything...

Copy edit[edit]

Hey, could you copy edit (and expand if needed :) ) this. As contributor who suggested to write this article is not showing up any more.M.K. 10:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)p.s. maybe you will have some ideas about this one too. M.K. 10:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you properly move this one from sandbox to main space? Btw, did it need part which starts "Charter also proclaimed:"? M.K. 17:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the move. M.K. 17:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing redirects[edit]

I'm interested in your thoughts about categorizing redirects.[25] I didn't care for the practice when I first encountered it, but lately I have been including categories in some redirects when I think a particular topic can be more easily found if it is grouped among similar items. JonHarder talk 23:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible copyvio image[edit]

Hi! Even though you took the picture used in Image:Scientology Tone scale.jpg, and the Org had it right in the window, it is a picture of a copyrighted chart and that copyright doesn't just disappear. (Otherwise critics could take pictures of all the pages of upper level materials and publish them on the Internet. Somehow I doubt Scientology and the RTC would agree with that.) You might want to check the rules on Derivative work. AndroidCat 01:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum[edit]

the actual picture

Hello Renata3,

i found you about the project New York, and would ask you to take some photos. I wrote the article Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in the german wikipedia, which is a "Lesenswerter Article" ( i think similar to your "Good Articles" here). In the candidature there was the advice to ask the prpoject New York for better pictures of the museum. The actual picture shows the museum from the wrong point, so the "nautilus-part" of the museum isn't visible well. Do you understand my point? If you are the wrong person to ask, can you tell me another wikipedian i can ask?

Cheers Julius1990 18:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast repley. I should have thought about that, so thanks for your advice. Cheers Julius1990 18:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


Can anyone close an FL candidacy as long as there is consensus for it to be failed/promoted? Just wondering, as there seems to be a backlog there. RHB - Talk 19:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė[edit]

I decided to take your second bounty and I will make this article FA. I am wondering if I might have more information on the history of the anthem and maybe a section on proper protocol of the anthem (like at My Belarusy or the Mexican anthem). Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a law passed in 1999 with the protocol to the anthem. I can easily write a paragraph on it now, but I think I need some more information about the LtSSR and the independence period. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


Thank you much for your advice. Actually I intend to expand them. Kind regards.moon 02:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Singapore law firms[edit]

I notice that you had deleted 2 entries I added to wikipedia. What I intended was to add law firms that are actually in Singapore to the category Category:Law firms of Singapore. My plan was to add them from time to time. As it is, there is only 1 Singapore firm listed, ie Drew & Napier. If there is a better way of doing this without violating any policies, I will welcome suggestions and advice. --Aseanhunter 07:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

House of Gediminas, etc.[edit]

Hi Renata, hope your GMAT studies are going well. Re the House, hmmm, the shameless part of the request was the flattery. It will be a day or three tho, will leave notes at the talk page. Take care, Novickas 12:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Done with it for now, needs other eyes, hope you like. Novickas 14:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC) See [26] before it goes away! Novickas 22:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, is it time for this action-packed saga of the North, overflowing with intrigue, love, violence, sex, sin, and citations thereof, to be nomimated as a GA? Novickas 13:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Favor? In GA review article it suggests that we review and try to improve some other GA candidate. I picked Cheddar Gorge; could you take a brief look at it and see if anything still jumps out at you? Methinks the troublesome statements about largest, etc. have been referenced. Best, Novickas 20:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Dang. At least it has references now. Thanks for your time, Novickas 11:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe then you have more time, you will suggest some improvements to this one, especially naming it. M.K. 20:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


Why did you delete Seyeds? Picaroon (t) 03:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, bad news... I cannot dig up any new info on the topic. Somehow Lithuanians don't seem to like their song :) Renata 03:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

That stinks. Anyways, I am thinking we can add the national law from 1999 in the article and see what happens after that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


I would like to create an article about the "Magna Charta of European Universities", which has been signed by over 400 of these. It doesn't appear in the WP Magna Carta disambig entries, AFAIK it's not on WP. The question is, can I insert the text of the original 1988 declaration (at [27]) or does that have to go to Wikisource and NOT be included in its entirety in the article? If you could point me to similar situations that would help. Best, Novickas 14:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Negėjus neateistas[edit]

Labas, siūlau užblokuoti naudotoją Pionier, nes tai yra tas pats žr skyrelio pavadinimą bei žr category:Lithuanian atheists :) Ar čia ok teirautis lietuviškai, ar reikia išversti į anglų kalbą? --Katoa 15:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC) (Mea) (remark about a vandal)


Thanks for cleaning up this user's mess. He seems to be promoting an agenda, and in any case his categorizations are unjustifed. I suspect he'll be persistent. The same editor was previously using ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Livonian Confederation map[edit]

Thanks for fixing the location of Ascherbaden on the Image:Confederation of Livonia 1260.svg map, Renata. It was entirely my error. Nice to know there's support out there when I'm away. MapMaster 00:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Kissy Road Church of the Holy Trinity[edit]

Non-notable churches are speedied all the time. Do we really have to go through AfD which will take 5 days to get this deleted? Corvus cornix 18:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What gives you the idea that churches are inherently notable? Where is that policy, or that consensus, for that matter, established? Church articles get deleted all the time. Corvus cornix 18:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

tendentious categorizing[edit]

Hi, Renata3. So I see the anon vandal has resumed adding bio articles to the categories "Jewish Communists" and "Jewish Atheists". I note, though, that several of these articles were already subject to this kind of tendentious categorizing. Absent demonstrated relevance to the person's bio, I'm generally opposed to including people in these categories -- quite frankly I'd be just as happy if the categories disappeared, as some sort of repellent implication is almost always hovering somewhere nearby ("Look: another Jewish communist/atheist! See, I told you!"). How would you feel if I removed these categories from bio articles where no relevance has been demonstrated? --Rrburke(talk) 17:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

My criterion would be: if the person's atheism, for example, is not mentioned in the body of the article, then it's not a sufficiently important aspect of what they are known for to justify adding them into the category. Of course, it's also unsourced and unverifiable. While it's obviously relevant (and verifiable) in connection with the article on Ellen Johnson, it's utterly irrelevant to the article on Seth Green.
As for the category Jewish Communists, there's currently one member, so I may just go ahead and nominate it to CFD.
Sound reasonable? --Rrburke(talk) 20:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Renata: further to our recent discussion. --Rrburke(talk) 14:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


Good luck with your preparations for the GMAT (and thanks for keeping an eye on Ernest Mandel. Are you intending to apply for an MBA? Let me know if I can help. I am an alumnus who interviews MBA candidates at London Business School. --Duncan 14:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Back to the old school sounds very holistic. Don't be put off by LBS fees through: that high tuition also supports big scholarships for qualified candidates. Also, the earnings at the end are far greater than almost anywhere else, making it an excellent investment. --Duncan 19:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus[edit]

The above case is closed. A general amnesty for editors involved in Eastern Europe-related articles is extended, with the expectation that further editing will adhere to Wikipedia's policies. Future behavior problems may be addressed by the Arbitration Committee on the motion of any Arbitrator or upon acceptance of a request for inquiry by any user who edits in this area. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 19:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Renata hello[edit]

Andropov was Jewish, so please don't delete him from his Jewish categories. P.S. Could you exaplain me the case with Pioner/Mohel/Rabis juice? Because he took it as a hoby there to delete him from those categories. And as i understood from him writing you in the Andropov article history page ("Evil Renata 3 have u ever sniffed bleeding penis cut off by mohel?") I understand theres a war beetwen you. M.V.E.i. 18:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok i understood[edit]

P.S. You can answer here on your talk page i would come and see.

I'm not an administrator so i cant block or unblock people. So let me understand this right, he wants attention so he on purpouse makes not-good edits? But it started somehow, what was exaclly on the Lithuenian Wikipedia? About what was he arguing, what was decided by the administrators? M.V.E.i. 18:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You see, theres no chance that a man will respect an eternal block, maybe thats why he behaves this way. Maybe he was wrongly treated or maybe he had not more fault in the fight then then the other side but only he got punished? I think it's importent to figure these out and if, if we will find out that he was mistreated we could start a dialogue with him and then reduce his block. M.V.E.i. 13:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Renata! Seeing that you were the one who virtually forced me to re-write administrative and municipal divisions of Adygea to include more narrative :), I would very much appreciate your input here—people are arguing that since the "list" is so much like an article now, it should be de-featured altogether. Obviously, I'd love to see it retain its status... hopefully without putting even more work into it. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, who else can I blame? :) Regarding your comment, though: I think folks are not advocating to remove all the narrative from the list but rather outsource it to other places (to which links will be provided from within the list). So, if the difference between rural settlements and rural locilities puzzles you, you'd still be able to find the information you need by following the links. Anyway, I, for one, think keeping the narrative in is a good idea (a remarkable change in my position from back when you suggested more narrative in the first place, I know :)), not in a small part because there are currently no good places to outsource it to (I'd have to write a dozen new articles first, which I am planning to do eventually, but just not now). In any case, thanks for your comment! If you could keep an eye on the discussion until it closes, I'd much appreciate it. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Test of sig bot[edit]

Should probably break down and use the signature feature, in the meantime this is a test. Also, am stalled on new LT article ideas, got copyedit suggestions? And do you agree with "List of signatories to the Act of Independence of Lithuania" as a title? It's languishing kalėjimoje, awaiting your judicial decision. Novickas 11:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The bot is bugging me again! Has anyone else complained? Novickas 16:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
...Sigh...changed the signature preference. Thanks for the info. Also, I know it's really picky, but could you please do me a favour and change "signatories of" to "signatories to"? Three ofs in one sentence is too many. Novickas 17:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


I just know the feeling of being indifinetly blocked, esspecially when you belive you dont deserve it, you loose your temper really it's really a bad feeling. It happened to me to, till an honest administrator, Alex Bakharev, helped me there and reduced my block. So thats why i want to figure thess out. If he belives it wad not fair what was done to him there we could understand him and open a dialogue and maybe even reduce his block. Thats why i asked you over what and with who he was fighting there and how did the administrators behave. M.V.E.i. 20:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Playing around[edit]

Whaddya think [28]--Lokyz 23:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Sovietsky pioneer possible sock puppet of idef blocked User:Poor billionaire[edit]

Based on a bunch of edits such as [this.] Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


Great job on translating/creating/referencing Great Seimas of Vilnius in such a short time! :) The female delegates - could be a DKY hook if you're so inclined, altho more references for that would be good. Some comments on its talk page soon. Novickas 16:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC) Great job on expansion too. Novickas 16:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I would lean towards "Ban on the Lithuanian language". Strangely there aren't, as far as I can tell, any other WP articles on such bans. Maybe Irpen will write one about Ukrainian, hint hint. Hawaiian was banned too. And probably numerous others. Happy hunting! Novickas 17:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean. Problem is all the other titles I can think of are quite wordy. "Ban on publication in the Lithuanian language". Speaking of articles - don't want to leave out the the. (Sometimes concision and clear description are in conflict). Other ideas - "Lithuanian press ban" sounds OK, except that it might be interpreted as newspapers instead of EVERYTHING. But surely, before you finish writing the article, more ideas will come. Novickas 18:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 30 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Great Seimas of Vilnius, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 17:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page about Chicago rapper Pretty Dollarz?[edit]

 I want to add more to the page but it is not there anymore. Please let me know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramb0723 (talkcontribs) 20:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC) 


Hello Renata3,

Thanks for cleaning up the changes made to my User Page. Much appreciated. Keep up the good work and I suppose I'll try to do the same eh? :) Pursey 06:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Another barnstar[edit]

Barnstar-stone2-noback.png The Epic Barnstar
In recognition of your work on articles related to the Old Prussians. Congratulations! Olessi 16:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource article Act of Independence of Lithuania[edit]

Could you please explain the copyright status of this article while being proposed for deletion?--Jusjih 12:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)(Wikipedia and Wikisource admin)

Army Groups of the National Revolutionary Army[edit]

I have converted the article to use inline citations, please take a look. -- Миборовский 03:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

List of educational institutions in Taichung[edit]

I have taken your comments seriously and have implemented them (or are in the process of implementing.) I have requested a withdrawal of the nomination while I work on the page. Please feel free to leave additional comments on the talk page while I work to bring the list to FL sniff. Thanks. ludahai 魯大海 13:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


I find your comment on Halibutt's page highly unprofessional and uncivil; please consider removing it. You yourself once 'left' and then only reluctantly came back, should we ask you for all the details of that surely not-very-nice experience? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

There where times when I (or Halibutt) would have cared about that. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Renata, please allow me to comment on both issues here. About "leaving". I believe in quiet leaving. I don't believe that widely-announced attention-seeking "leaves" are genuine, while they are excusable. I've seen some very respected by me editors (including you) who both "left" and left that way. Some of such leaves were genuine, most were not, but all of them were signs of a huge frustration. Committed editors who show such a huge frustration need to be left alone or with words of support. I don't like "are you still here?" stuff. Whether to leave quietly, is a matter of taste, of course, and self-discipline. Personally, when I found myself in the cross-hairs of Piotrus' extensive and meticulous months-long digging aimed at collecting the material to hit me at the opportune time, I decided for myself that I simply had it. I did not edit for about 6 weeks, I believe, but I just stopped editing, no "damn you, Piotrus, goodbye's" came from my end. I think that Halibutt should be left alone by his opponents and allowed to be consoled by messages from his fans and his friends.
As for the second issue (Fedorovych), this was explained at the article's talk and agrees with all sources. Ukrainians rose not against some "Commonwealth" or some "Polish-Lithuanians", the concept unfamiliar to them in its entirety. Justly or not, they so their oppressors as "just Poles" and they saw Unia and Catholicism that enroached on their Orthodox ways as "Polish encroachment", despite the Polish peasantry was in no better condition than the Ukrainian ones, of course. I reverted the edit per this as well as all sources used to write the article. None of them uses "Commonwealth" or "Lithuania" for that matter. --Irpen 02:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
You didn't have the balls to apologize for the unhonourable slander on your side or to present a single piece of evidence to back your absurd accusations and your lies about my behaviour. Your farewell letters were both offensive and unjust - and I bet you know it, yet you simply did not have the guts to admit it. Yet now it is you to ask me to leave without taking the liberty to explain my stance? Good going, Renata! Keep it up, that's precisely the way to go. Hope you'll find yourself in a situation similar to mine one day. //Halibutt 11:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Guys, cool it down. Pointing fingers doesn't help, period. File a DR if you want, or leave it (the issue, not the project). Further, I strongly suggest looking at talk page correspondence between two users as private: if you were not invited, don't join in - and you can be certain it will be much less likely to spill further. PS. That comment applies to all of users who commented on that on several userpages. PSS. Renata, I agree that Halibutt's occasional generalization on "Lithuanians" is unhelpful, but he has a point - several of the most active Lithuanian editors don't seem to assume any good faith when it comes to dealing with Polish editors, to say the least. I tried to address this in the past, but now I have given up - and I have no plans to restart the issue. I can only wish for more Lithuanian editors to come join the project, as I cannot believe the current selection is representative, nor that it does justice to the great Lithuanian people.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Polish editors or single Polish editor that is the question. Violation of WP:AGF or violation of Wikipedia rules (like WP:RM) is another. POV bashing or contributions is a third. Generalization or research - that means specific, but by no means selective details is fourth.Knowing the subject or googling on occasion is fifth. And please WP:AGF - I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, I'm not using metaphors - I'm just asking direct questions.--Lokyz 20:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, where did I join in without invitation and atagonized the discutants? My apologies for any diff that indicate that happened.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Right above Piotrus. Just look one message up by you dated 20:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC). Real strange twist. --Irpen 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
And speaking more of joyful (and uninvited) comments by the same editor, this time celebrating another editor's forced leave at the third user's talk page.[29] --Irpen 17:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


I see one of the wheeled Willies played with your page. Just think what were the chances that out of millions of wp pages he would end up at yours and rejoice! --Irpen 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The account was already blocked, so it should be all cleaned-up now. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, I just wanted to point out how minuscule are the chances of an individual userpage to be attended by the Willies. I had my page vandalized by trolls, penis-vandals or content opponents but never had an honor to be visited by the Willies. Renata kind of hit the jackpot. With such luck, she should try a short trip to Vegas. --Irpen 21:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Nah, I still think that this is better: you know, personalized ;) Renata 21:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 10 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Chronicles, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- M.K. 11:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello, as I noted on article, maybe it is time for this article to be nominated for FAC? M.K. 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

And Great Seimas for GA? Novickas 14:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As for some reason you are not answering to the question above, I made a decisive actions and nominated this article. I hope you will have time to answer questions (if any will be presented). Take care, M.K. 21:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:LITH welcome[edit]

Just out of recent curiosity into templates and various boxes I modified old Lithuania Portal welcome message User:Lokyz/sandbox/test. Maybe you'll be interested to take a look, and improve it. We could use it as WP:LITH welcome message.--Lokyz 16:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Polish minority in Lithuania[edit]

Could you take a look at the recent changes? It seems we are revert warring over some style and grammar issue, for all things... I dislike being called a vandal, but I also dislike editors enforcing poor English "plundered organizations..." etc. Could you merge the two versions, endorse one, or something - I would hope your edit would end this sad bickering.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė again[edit]

I decide to expand on the article, added some sources again. I just need that 1999 law translated. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Article: (relatively, as always) done editing[edit]

Comments? Novickas 01:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Prussian Crusade[edit]

I added Prussian Crusade; please expand with your sources if you are interested. Cheers, Olessi 23:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bitwa pod Orszą-MNW.jpg[edit]

WOW! Please provide source of this fine reproduction! A.J. 10:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Ensete picture[edit]

I noticed that you thoughtfully added a picture to Ensete. Unfortunately, it seems that the image name was accidentally misspelled when uploaded: "Image:Esente superbum.jpg" (link: 15px). I requested a move, but I guess copyright issues requre that you reload the image to make a correction. Just thought you'd want to know. ENeville 21:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Prussian people[edit]

You might be interested in this CFD. Olessi 21:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Tautiška giesmė GA[edit]

I found out this morning that Tautiška giesmė passed Good Article today. I was told to find out more about the Soviet-era anthem and it could be FA ready. Your thoughts? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again, Bloomfield[edit]

We are once again cleaning up Bloomfield's messes, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Principality of Estland and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sackalia (some others fixed w/o AfD) - but also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narova. You have most expirience with Bloomfield's socks, could User:Olgerd be his sock as well? -- Sander Säde 08:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


Hello Renata, I am a newer user to Wikipedia but I have contributed several strong pages regarding the Los Angeles underground hip hop movement. There is a major film that has been made about this music collective called THIS IS THE LIFE. I researched and wrote a page about it that you deleted as spam. Perhaps it was so well written that you thought it was a press release or something? LOL. I just can't imagine why it was deleted as spam. I took a lot of time with it. Can you pls revisit this deletion? And if it is still not to your liking, please tell me what I can do to fix it properly? Thank you kindly, MarieMaye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariemaye (talkcontribs) 18:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[/ THIS IS THE LIFE] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariemaye (talkcontribs) 18:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Lithuanian press ban, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On November 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian press ban, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 18:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)